IRC log of swhack on 2001-11-06

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00:05:43 [sbp]

* sbp decides he likes a vanilla stylesheet for his homepage

00:07:45 [sbp]

Hmm... or do I?

00:14:00 [sbp]

yes, I do

00:14:27 [sbp]

but do I like it better than the main style? Dunno

00:15:00 [sbp]

perhaps I do

00:15:20 [sbp]

well, who knows?

00:15:33 [sbp]

both are pretty poor; it's the page's fault

00:16:04 [sbp]

no way I can put the image in the vanilla version... which is a good thing

00:16:14 [sbp]

but then the flashy version has... borders!

00:17:18 [sbp]

[[[

00:17:20 [sbp]

<ajmitch> my favourite when dealing with windows: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda

00:17:20 [sbp]

<chillywilly> cat /dev/urandom > /dev/audio

00:17:20 [sbp]

<Myrddian> HA HA HA

00:17:20 [sbp]

<ajmitch> ahh, sweet sweet music

00:17:20 [sbp]

<chillywilly> lol

00:17:21 [sbp]

<Myrddian> I did a cat /vmlinuz to /dev/dsp I thought I heard god.

00:17:23 [sbp]

]]]

00:18:10 [sbp]

but back to CSS

00:18:28 [sbp]

Would sir like the vanilla or blueberry flavours?

00:18:40 [sbp]

Ah, I see that sir is undecided. I shall come back

00:19:04 [sbp]

Pff... where's Aaron? He usually makes these tough decisions for me

00:19:10 [sbp]

heh, I have a cool system going there

00:19:28 [sbp]

If I want to find something out, I'll look on Google

00:19:41 [GabeW]

sbp - whats the question? about dealing with windows?

00:19:46 [sbp]

if I need something more advanced, like a decision to be made, I'll ask Aaron

00:19:52 [sbp]

Hi Gabe...

00:19:54 [GabeW]

hi

00:19:57 [sbp]

it's my new homepage design

00:20:14 [sbp]

I can't decide whether to go with a (not very) flashy "blueberry" stylesheet

00:20:18 [GabeW]

oh

00:20:21 [GabeW]

where are these?

00:20:23 [sbp]

or traditional vanilla (which is like, no style)

00:20:31 [sbp]

er... let me get the URIs

00:20:42 [GabeW]

URLs would be better ;-)

00:21:00 [sbp]

nah... :-)

00:21:20 [sbp]

[non cool URIs deleted from logs]

00:21:25 [sbp]

[well, not deleted...]

00:22:00 [GabeW]

loading... loading ...

00:22:44 [sbp]

heh, heh; you calling my server slow? :-)

00:23:04 [sbp]

I'm downlading lots of stuff... upload should be clear, though

00:23:48 [GabeW]

I like the multiple vertical bars to signify 'subclusion"

00:24:07 [GabeW]

I like bluberry minus the red starts

00:24:14 [GabeW]

s/starts/stars/

00:24:17 [sbp]

yeah, that's a neat little trick that...

00:24:23 [sbp]

ooh, you don't like the red stars?

00:25:14 [GabeW]

nah - hey you write tabs!

00:26:00 [sbp]

[sound of frantic commenting out of stars]

00:26:02 [sbp]

yes, I do!

00:26:37 [GabeW]

I was (not very much) helping out olga when they were undergoing the HFA problems

00:26:49 [sbp]

O.K., there it is without stars... try again

00:26:57 [GabeW]

http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,12937,00.html

00:27:06 [sbp]

Ah yes... the fate of OLGA looked very sad at one point

00:27:29 [sbp]

But it seems to have perked up. They're still going

00:28:05 [sbp]

ooh

00:28:06 [sbp]

[[[

00:28:07 [sbp]

"I'm convinced that the dissemination of tablature by OLGA promotes the compensation of the artists whose works are part of OLGA," said Gabriel Wachob, a member of the OLGA Legal Advisory Committee.

00:28:08 [sbp]

]]]

00:28:18 [sbp]

wow, you just get everywhere

00:28:20 [GabeW]

your site looks good

00:28:24 [GabeW]

pfft - yeah

00:28:33 [sbp]

ah, but which version... blueberry or vanilla?

00:28:55 [GabeW]

blueberry

00:29:01 [GabeW]

more mindless quotation: http://www6.law.com/ny/tech/012698t4.html

00:29:05 [sbp]

[plus, I like it with stars for some reason (well, asterisks)... seems nekked without]

00:29:19 [sbp]

more? Man...

00:29:31 [GabeW]

its very random - no theme in where people seem to quote me

00:29:44 [GabeW]

I'm an expert in nothing in particular

00:29:50 [sbp]

heh, heh:-

00:29:52 [sbp]

[[[

00:29:52 [sbp]

But according to Gabriel Wachob, chief operating officer of FindLaw, a legal research site on the Web (http://www.findlaw.com), firms are technologically conservative for more mundane reasons. ``Most multimedia technologies make site stability more difficult,'' he explained. ``The appearance of rock-steady functionality can be important to the image conveyed by a Web site.''

00:29:55 [sbp]

]]]

00:30:10 [sbp]

yeah... just random stuff. These chatlogs are going to be golmines for these people

00:30:24 [sbp]

s/golmines/goldmines/

00:30:45 [GabeW]

I'm trying to be the center of a "six degrees of separation" hub

00:31:26 [GabeW]

;-)

00:35:05 [deltab]

AaronSw seems to know lots of people too

00:35:43 [GabeW]

yeah - he does

00:36:03 [GabeW]

we should stroke our own egos some day by playing six degrees ... nahhhh

00:36:37 [sbp]

and why not?

00:48:09 [GabeW]

cuz its a little crass ego-stroking

00:48:26 [GabeW]

*I* know AaronSW!!!

00:49:10 [sbp]

well, you do

00:49:21 [sbp]

but so do *I* :-)

00:50:04 [GabeW]

yeah, but do you know Bill Gates?

00:50:35 [sbp]

no, but I know Gerald, and he's been within about 2 metres of him

00:51:23 [GabeW]

Hmm. Don't think I know anybody off the top of my head who knows billg

00:52:14 [GabeW]

I know a couple of people who are working on or worked on one of the antitrust suits

00:52:28 [sbp]

ah; you'

00:52:37 [sbp]

you're probably just a couple away, then

00:53:36 [GabeW]

well, yeah, I spose - but that's pretty tenuous

00:53:57 [GabeW]

I think there are a lot of people 2 or 3 degrees from billg

00:54:46 [sbp]

yeah...

00:55:10 [GabeW]

I think being 2 or 3 from Gandhi (sp?) or Hitler would be more interesting

00:59:49 [sbp]

yeah... Hmm... that'd be quite difficult, I guess

01:00:10 [sbp]

even better: being 2 from both

01:00:50 [GabeW]

the kewl thing is that if everyone expressed all of their relationships in RDF (foaf) we could make discoveries about degrees of separation *automatically*

01:01:02 [GabeW]

there was some site that did this - where you registered yourself and your friends

01:01:03 [sbp]

yeah!

01:01:26 [sbp]

Hmm...

01:01:39 [GabeW]

it closed down I think

01:01:58 [sbp]

what are alternate names for this?

01:02:10 [GabeW]

for this?

01:02:22 [GabeW]

circle of friends (the phrase seems to come back to me)

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01:03:29 [GabeW]

who does Morbus know?

01:03:53 [GabeW]

hehe

01:04:01 [Morbus]

i know a lot of people.

01:04:03 [Morbus]

why do you ask?

01:04:21 [Morbus]

man, i hate being the butt of jokes i don't know <g>

01:05:09 [sbp]

http://www.urbanlegends.com/science/six_degrees_experiment.html

01:06:06 [Morbus]

is it bad to eat a whole penguin mint container in one day?

01:06:23 [sbp]

http://backissues.worldlink.co.uk/articles/250100180310/22.htm

01:06:59 [sbp]

intersting: "Even in the vast confusion of the World Wide Web, on the average, one page is only about 16 to 20 clicks away from any other." - http://www.news.cornell.edu/Chronicles/8.31.00/six_degrees_sep.html

01:07:16 [Morbus]

yeah, sixdegrees.com did exactly that. then they got bought out, and within a year, they were shut down.

01:07:18 [sbp]

Morbus: I would say no, but then I haven't got a clue what you're rambling on about, so you can't really trust my response

01:07:42 [sbp]

@ http://www.urbanlegends.com/science/six_degrees_experiment.html

01:07:44 [chumpster]

A: http://www.urbanlegends.com/science/six_degrees_experiment.html from sbp

01:07:45 [GabeW]

ah!

01:07:49 [GabeW]

sixdegrees.com - duh

01:08:07 [sbp]

A:|Six Degrees Experiment

01:08:08 [chumpster]

titled item A

01:08:27 [GabeW]

it was actually 5 degrees!!!

01:08:28 [sbp]

A::[http://backissues.worldlink.co.uk/articles/250100180310/22.htm|Related article]

01:08:28 [GabeW]

heh

01:08:29 [chumpster]

commented item A

01:09:22 [GabeW]

Morbus - I was saying that if everyone published their relationships online with foaf (hehe!) then we could use a bot to automatically determine "paths" of separation

01:09:31 [GabeW]

hmm. is this an NP-complete problem?

01:09:44 [sbp]

A::intersting: "Even in the vast confusion of the World Wide Web, on the average, one page is only about 16 to 20 clicks away from any other." - [http://www.news.cornell.edu/Chronicles/8.31.00/six_degrees_sep.html|CU computer scientist helps explain how 'six degrees of separation' works]

01:09:45 [chumpster]

commented item A

01:15:55 [Morbus]

gabe - that's really what sixdegrees.com did.

01:16:12 [Morbus]

you would post your relationships to sixdegrees.com, and it would email the people who weren't already accounted on the site.

01:16:23 [Morbus]

when they enter their relationships, you start getting into circle of trusts.

01:16:40 [Morbus]

then, you could say "find me a webdesigner within my six degrees", and you'd have mutual associates.

01:16:47 [Morbus]

sorry. late on replies. busy.

01:17:27 [GabeW]

yeah, I signed up for sixdegrees - it scared me a little

01:17:44 [deltab]

me too, so I didn't sign up

01:18:03 [GabeW]

I had two friends independently sign me up as a friend, so I figured, what the hell

01:18:52 [Morbus]

yeah, i was one of the early signups, i must've entered a hundred people, and only about 15 came over. it was too scary for people. hell, it was scary for me. after that lackluster signup rate, i didn't go back until i saw that it was being shutdown ;)

01:19:10 [sbp]

Hmm... stuff is downloading quick tonight

01:20:29 [sbp]

sbp has changed the topic to: Welcome to the meme factory!

01:21:14 [GabeW]

well, the problem is that it seemed like a commercial entity trying to make money off my private info without giving me anything for it

01:22:42 [GabeW]

If everyone published their contacts (just names and/or unique identifiers) we could get the same result without having to involve a commercial entity

01:22:47 [Morbus]

it was from on about a year ago, after they got bought up. i never felt like that years prior though

01:23:16 [GabeW]

yeah, that's true - I just never saw the point really

01:23:27 [GabeW]

and now I do!!!! ;-)

01:27:01 [Morbus]

heh.

01:27:07 [Morbus]

sigh. bye bye money

01:27:29 [GabeW]

>

01:27:30 [GabeW]

?

01:27:42 [Morbus]

paying off gamegrene.com writers.

01:27:48 [Morbus]

hey, aaron, i'm sending you an email i foudn funny

01:29:32 [Morbus]

sent two emails

01:43:25 [sbp]

logster, grep crap

01:43:56 [logster]

I'm logging. I found 105 answers for 'crap' (showing 0...4)

01:43:57 [logster]

0) 2001-11-06 01:43:25 <sbp> logster, grep crap

01:43:58 [logster]

1) 2001-11-05 18:40:07 <Morbus> the person who drew that is a good friend - she does illustrations, kids books, and crap.

01:43:59 [logster]

2) 2001-11-03 02:44:04 <Morbus> so all the normal crapish junk.

01:44:00 [logster]

3) 2001-11-02 04:19:08 <Morbus> which one? the elite crap?

01:44:01 [logster]

4) 2001-11-02 04:06:16 <Morbus> have you explored snak indepth? there's lot of neat crap in here.

01:44:02 [Morbus]

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01:45:01 [sbp]

hey, I'm feeling cruel

01:45:02 [sbp]

logster, grep 1-50 crap

01:45:11 [logster]

I'm logging. I found 106 answers for 'crap' (showing 1...50)

01:45:12 [logster]

1) 2001-11-06 01:43:25 <sbp> logster, grep crap

01:45:13 [logster]

2) 2001-11-05 18:40:07 <Morbus> the person who drew that is a good friend - she does illustrations, kids books, and crap.

01:45:14 [logster]

3) 2001-11-03 02:44:04 <Morbus> so all the normal crapish junk.

01:45:16 [logster]

4) 2001-11-02 04:19:08 <Morbus> which one? the elite crap?

01:45:17 [logster]

5) 2001-11-02 04:06:16 <Morbus> have you explored snak indepth? there's lot of neat crap in here.

01:45:18 [logster]

6) 2001-11-02 03:50:45 <Morbus> i mean, speaking morbus crap

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7) 2001-11-02 03:42:14 <Morbus> stupid crap.

01:45:20 [logster]

8) 2001-11-02 03:08:52 <Morbus> dunno. wish he'd come back so i can ask him about this bang crap.

01:45:21 [logster]

9) 2001-11-02 01:49:59 <AaronSw> <Morbus!Morbus@s37.terminal1.totalnetnh.net> [23:43] "oh, but see, at the risk of sounding perverted again, girlie girls who spell crap wrong are "cute". guys who spell crap wrong are "morons". it's the whole whore/stud thing all over again :)"

01:45:22 [logster]

10) 2001-11-02 01:49:19 <AaronSw> <Morbus!Morbus@s37.terminal1.totalnetnh.net> [23:26] cos. to answer questions, you have to enter keywords about crap you know about. to test, i just through in perl, computers, and p2pq.

01:45:23 [logster]

11) 2001-11-02 01:42:29 <AaronSw> <GabeW!gwachob@c1886218-a.smateo1.sfba.home.com> [21:24] I spose it'd be easy enough just to dump the entire body of beatles lyrics into a text file/files or something isntead of scraping

01:45:24 [logster]

12) 2001-11-02 01:40:23 <AaronSw> <GabeW!gwachob@c1886218-a.smateo1.sfba.home.com> [21:14] oh, is there a list of lyrics somewhere it would scrape in real time?

01:45:25 [logster]

13) 2001-11-01 17:59:47 <sbp> but I still get crap like: <AaronSw!aaronsw@mewtwo.espnow.com@#swhack> Heh.

01:45:26 [logster]

14) 2001-11-01 17:16:30 <sbp> Hmm... that's kind of crappy: won't follow redirects

01:45:27 [logster]

15) 2001-11-01 17:15:31 <Morbus> i hope they didn't spam a whole crapload of people.

01:45:28 [logster]

16) 2001-11-01 04:58:28 <sbp> If I do it tonight, I'll just create a pile of crap, and have to redesign it tomorrow anyway...

01:45:29 [logster]

17) 2001-10-31 04:48:38 <sbp> crap, can't get up

01:45:30 [logster]

18) 2001-10-31 04:00:10 <sbp> it'll just be a crappy informal NID

01:45:31 [logster]

19) 2001-10-31 01:59:01 <sbp> stupid crappy feckarse pile of rubbish

01:45:32 [logster]

20) 2001-10-30 02:58:34 <Morbus> no crap. i had to view source to find the stream url cos the stupid popup junk broke

01:45:33 [logster]

21) 2001-10-30 01:55:23 <Morbus> yeah, well, in this case, i don't want it too - else, i'll have to go through and encode all the crap. i'm not writing out via xml::parser, just through my own code.

01:47:09 [sbp]

oh come on you little crapweasel - don't wimp out on me now!

01:47:17 [GabeW]

* GabeW slaps sbp aroud a little

01:47:58 [sbp]

heh, heh :-)

01:48:24 [GabeW]

off to family time - see ya's around

01:48:52 [sbp]

c'ya

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01:54:37 [sbp]

logster, grep some bugger

01:54:43 [logster]

I'm logging. I found 3 answers for 'some bugger'

01:54:44 [logster]

0) 2001-11-06 01:54:37 <sbp> logster, grep some bugger

01:54:45 [logster]

1) 2001-10-21 04:01:06 <sbp> and you wake up in the morning: "oh, some bugger's stolen my sink!". But really it was the carrots

01:54:46 [logster]

2) 2001-10-21 16:50:19 <AaronSw> <sbp> and you wake up in the morning: "oh, some bugger's stolen my sink!". But really it was the carrots

01:54:46 [sbp]

logster, grep bugger it

01:54:50 [logster]

I'm logging. I found 1 answer for 'bugger it'

01:54:51 [logster]

0) 2001-11-06 01:54:46 <sbp> logster, grep bugger it

01:56:10 [sbp]

logster, grep -i bugger it

01:56:15 [logster]

I'm logging. I found 3 answers for 'bugger it'

01:56:16 [logster]

0) 2001-11-06 01:56:10 <sbp> logster, grep -i bugger it

01:56:17 [logster]

1) 2001-11-06 01:54:46 <sbp> logster, grep bugger it

01:56:18 [logster]

2) 2001-10-11 01:29:15 <sbp> aw man, adding built ins is gotta really bugger the code. Bugger it with bells on

01:57:29 [sbp]

heh, that's the one!

02:09:18 [sbp]

erm... wow. I'm getting an 11KB/sec transfer rate over a 55.6K modem

02:09:42 [sbp]

aw, it's going down now... but it did a Meg in like no time at all

02:09:48 [sbp]

weird stuff]

02:09:54 [sbp]

sans ]

02:12:09 [sbp]

ah, IRC

02:45:44 [sbp]

deltab, oierw? is anyone there?

02:46:45 [deltab]

yes

02:48:52 [sbp]

is it possible to get a HEX or binary dump of a PING IP packet on Windows?

02:48:55 [deltab]

sbp: modems have compression

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02:49:09 [deltab]

on Windows, dunno

02:49:42 [sbp]

I found http://www.pcausa.com/resources/ndispacket_decode.htm

02:49:48 [sbp]

but it doesn't say how they got the dump

02:50:24 [Morbus]

hey sean!

02:50:25 [Morbus]

heheh.

02:50:36 [deltab]

Rawether for Windows and WinDis 32 are trademarks of Printing

02:50:44 [deltab]

hmm

02:51:14 [sbp]

hi there

02:51:33 [deltab]

so, probably with the products they sell :-)

02:52:05 [sbp]

yeah...

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* AaronSw reconnects

13:43:53 [AaronSw]

LOL at sbp's Linux quote

13:45:37 [AaronSw]

I heard that the OLGA shutdown was the impetus for Freenet.

13:46:35 [AaronSw]

<GabeW> [00:52] Hmm. Don't think I know anybody off the top of my head who knows billg

13:46:35 [AaronSw]

My dad knows BillG...

13:52:43 [AaronSw]

Listening to Simon Philipp's talk now...

13:52:59 [AaronSw]

He says he likes IETF better than other standards body.

13:56:19 [AaronSw]

BLURB:More Overheard At P2PCin

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blarrrg

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13:57:36 [AaronSw]

B::"I used a Content Management System called Windows Notepad."

13:57:37 [chumpster]

commented item B

13:58:20 [AaronSw]

B::Java had the chicken problem: "It popped its head up, saw a web browser and thought it was an applet."

13:58:21 [chumpster]

commented item B

13:59:01 [AaronSw]

B:|More Overheard at P2PCon

13:59:01 [chumpster]

titled item B

14:05:45 [AaronSw]

yesterday evening was pretty cool

14:05:50 [AaronSw]

Went out with wmf, blanu, stephen hazel, sam (from neurogrid) stephen hazel, roger dingledore, zooko

14:13:46 [AaronSw]

Simon cheers Meerkat

14:14:13 [AaronSw]

He hypes markets are conversations.

14:14:57 [AaronSw]

B::"Any color you want, as long as it's black. Any platform you want as long as it's Windows."

14:14:59 [chumpster]

commented item B

14:18:41 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw looks to see what's up next

14:19:16 [AaronSw]

Ooh, Hillary Rosen -- brb

14:25:40 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw waves from Hillary Rosen's keynote.

14:26:21 [AaronSw]

S::Tim O'Reilly introducing Hillary Rosen of the RIAA: "We've sometimes demonized [the RIAA]."

14:26:40 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw kicks chumpster

14:26:47 [AaronSw]

B::Tim O'Reilly introducing Hillary Rosen of the RIAA: "We've sometimes demonized [the RIAA]."

14:26:48 [chumpster]

commented item B

14:27:26 [deltab]

where are the archives?

14:27:37 [AaronSw]

Hack the URL...

14:27:43 [AaronSw]

Start at http://blogspace.com/swhack/weblog/2001/11/05/

14:27:53 [AaronSw]

"Nearby:RSS/RDF/XML version, more fron yesterday (better navigation coming soon)."

14:29:32 [deltab]

thought it was something like that, but didn't want to generate too many tcl errors

14:29:49 [AaronSw]

No, don't worry about that... perhaps I should just return a 404.

14:32:23 [AaronSw]

OK, returning a 404 now.

14:33:18 [AaronSw]

B::"Here's the Jack Valenti part of my speech."

14:33:19 [chumpster]

commented item B

14:35:16 [AaronSw]

B::"We have the most thriving economy in the World right now [...] precisely because we have found the right balance between creation and protection."

14:35:17 [chumpster]

commented item B

14:35:43 [AaronSw]

B::People trying to change IP law are "short-term thinkers for a popular cause".

14:35:44 [chumpster]

commented item B

14:38:16 [AaronSw]

B::"Maybe [record companies] encourage piracy [by not putting all their music online]."

14:38:17 [chumpster]

commented item B

14:42:55 [AaronSw]

B::"The fact that it is one of the number one transmitters of child pornography has not gone unnoticed by law enforcement." (many groans from audience)

14:42:56 [chumpster]

commented item B

14:45:28 [AaronSw]

B::Hillary says that with file sharing there's no hope for anything but the status quo. *Heh!*

14:45:28 [AaronSw]

B::"We have no choice but to continue [our legal threats] as long as the copyrights are being infringed."

14:45:29 [chumpster]

commented item B

14:45:31 [chumpster]

commented item B

14:45:57 [AaronSw]

B::"Each of us is in the business of innovation."

14:45:58 [chumpster]

commented item B

14:46:22 [AaronSw]

@ http://wmf.editthispage.com/2001/11/06

14:46:23 [chumpster]

C: http://wmf.editthispage.com/2001/11/06 from AaronSw

14:46:40 [AaronSw]

C:|Wesley Blogs Day 2 of P2PCon

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titled item C

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B::"There was really no choice [to taking legal action against Kazaa]."

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commented item B

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B::Lucas Gonze asks a question: He asks how developers can do DRM when they don't look inside the files. "More likely for us it's accounting files or something."

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commented item B

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B::Hillary seems unready for this question.She says there's no digital fingerprinting system to identify content.

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commented item B

14:57:42 [AaronSw]

B::[Zooko|http://www.zooko.com/] quotes [Bruce's Counterpane|http://www.counterpane.com/crypto-gram-0108.html]: """Every time I write about [...] protecting digital files [...], I get responses from people decrying the death of copyright. "How will authors and artists get paid for their work?" they ask me. Truth be told, I don't know. I feel rather like the physicist who just explained relativity to a group of would-be interstellar travelers, only to be

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hen?" I'm sorry, but I don't know that, either."""

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commented item B

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B::asked: "How do you expect us to get to the stars, then?" I'm sorry, but I don't know that, either."""

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commented item B

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B::"There's too much music in the marketplace. [...] People only have a certain amount of headspace for new music. [...] The cost of music is in making it popular."

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commented item B

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B::Tim O'Reilly asks if Hillary can quantify the margins in the record industry.

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commented item B

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B::[Wesley Felter|http://felter.org/wesley/], on seeing Tim wearing an [Endeavors|http://endeavors.com/] T-Shirt: "Tim [O'Reilly] is renting out space on his shirt." (Endeavors is a Platinum Sponsor of the P2PCon.)

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commented item B

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B::Hillary says that artists generally get $3-$7 per CD, depending on contract, sometimes, maybe.

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commented item B

15:13:27 [coderman]

lol

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what a fucking cunt

15:13:39 [AaronSw]

She actually qualified things like that.

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B::"It's hard to give you an exact cost [...] because of that kind of fluctuation."

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commented item B

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"Dont forget file traders are also child pornographers!

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(paraphrasing :)

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:-)

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B:: "It's an industry of advances not royalties, not advances." She paraphrases her friend: "If an artist of mine ever gets a royalty I haven't done a good enough job."

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commented item B

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B::Hillary says making copies for your other players is not fair use. "The fair use rights have been stretched in that way."

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commented item B

15:21:13 [Morbus]

logster, grep piddlecat

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I'm logging. I found 2 answers for 'piddlecat'

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0) 2001-11-06 15:21:13 <Morbus> logster, grep piddlecat

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1) 2001-10-16 02:47:24 <AaronSw> Since you came up with that icon for piddlecat, I was thinking of one for AmphetaDesk: You could have this big stupid desk in the middle of a rave. Wouldn't that be awesome?

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logster, grep rave

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I'm logging. I found 23 answers for 'rave' (showing 0...4)

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0) 2001-11-06 15:22:23 <Morbus> logster, grep rave

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1) 2001-11-06 14:57:42 <AaronSw> B::[Zooko|http://www.zooko.com/] quotes [Bruce's Counterpane|http://www.counterpane.com/crypto-gram-0108.html]: """Every time I write about [...] protecting digital files [...], I get responses from people decrying the death of copyright. "How will authors and artists get paid for their work?" they ask me. Truth be told, I don't know. I feel rather like the physicist who just explained relativity to a group of would-be interstellar travelers, only to be

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2) 2001-10-31 23:55:14 <AaronSw> Ooh, and a 48GB Travelstar.

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3) 2001-10-29 23:52:12 <Morbus> goddamit, you crave attention.

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4) 2001-10-24 18:51:30 <Morbus> and i'm using gulliver travel's quotes throughout.

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thank you logster

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B::Hillary left and entered with a long trail of video cameras, boom mikes and photographers.

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commented item B

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i have a 198 emails in my "things to do with amphetadesk" folder.sigh.

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be glad

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B::Tim O'Reilly: "Denial of Service should be a service -- the RIAA would like that." From Audience: "Or the other way around."

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commented item B

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AaronSw, just added your amphetadesk "desk in rave" quote to the Amphetadesk documentatin ;)

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i'll be uploading it soon.

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Heh.

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AaronSw has changed the topic to: Welcome to the meme factory! (Day 2 of the O'Reilly P2PCon)

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