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It's quite exciting and a lot of fun. Talk to you all soon. 14:35:56 commented item I 14:36:12 AaronSw has changed the topic to: Live from O'Reilly's P2PCon! 14:54:25 @ http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/819 14:54:27 L: http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/819 from AaronSw 14:54:51 L:|Rael Blogs the P2PCon Keynote 14:54:53 titled item L 15:21:38 * AaronSw disconnects 15:30:21 sbp has joined #swhack 15:33:08 * AaronSw reconnects 15:33:21 * sbp waves 15:34:22 * AaronSw waves 15:34:32 Should I take notes in here? 15:34:50 currently at: http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/p2pweb2001/view/e_sess/1722 15:34:58 yeah, sure 15:34:58 how is it? 15:35:06 It's pretty cool. 15:35:21 Met TimO earlier today, and got to see Rael again. 15:35:44 TimO? 15:36:00 Tim O'Reilly 15:36:17 Ah 15:36:57 heh, heh: The Sheep that Shits Grass 15:37:04 Heh. 15:37:08 are you pitching 15:37:08 are you pitching Plex? 15:37:16 Yep. 15:37:21 To some extent... 15:37:40 Had a nice chat about how to develop it with some netowking gurus over dinner last night. 15:37:45 and what would that extent be? 15:38:34 I'm talking to folks about it, but I'm not a walking billboard 15:38:51 cool 15:40:14 Cory: "You're treating madness as damage and routing around it. " 15:41:02 sbp has quit 15:48:46 * AaronSw disconnects 15:49:26 sbp has joined #swhack 16:03:14 BenSw has quit 16:03:26 BenSw has joined #swhack 16:05:36 sbp has quit 16:11:54 wendy has joined #swhack 16:21:35 sbp has joined #swhack 16:42:16 wendy has quit 17:00:02 Morbus has joined #swhack 17:00:25 sbp has quit 17:02:29 Morbus has quit 17:33:04 sbp has joined #swhack 17:34:02 sbp has quit 17:38:47 * AaronSw reconnects 17:40:09 @ http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/819 17:40:13 M: http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/819 from AaronSw 17:40:42 M:|Oops. 17:40:43 titled item M 17:42:48 @ http://peterme.com/archives/00000063.html 17:42:50 N: http://peterme.com/archives/00000063.html from AaronSw 17:42:59 N:|PeterMe: Innovation in Classification 17:43:00 titled item N 17:43:17 N::Peter describes "fasceted classification" -- finding things based upon their attributes (fascets) instead of a more top-down category-based approach. 17:43:18 N::Funny, this sounds an awful lot like RDF to me, and I thought [Peter didn't like the Semantic Web|http://www.techreview.com/magazine/nov01/frauenfelder2.asp]... 17:43:18 N::I've found a lot of success using a style of fasceted classification in Mac OS X's Mail.app. However, it needs a few more fascets (like Date), and possibly the vFolder's idea from Ximian Evolution. 17:43:18 N::Of course, all of this leads to an implementation of [intertwingle|http://www.mozilla.org/blue-sky/misc/199805/intertwingle.html]. 17:43:19 commented item N 17:43:21 commented item N 17:43:23 commented item N 17:43:25 commented item N 17:43:39 @ http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-dist-app/2000Mar/0055.html 17:43:39 O:|Danbri: XML-based Linda systems? 17:43:39 O::Sounds a lot like the Plex to me... 17:43:40 O::Potential to link RPC-style programming with loosely-coupled style of the Web. Goal is to create an easy-to-use paradigm for programmers to adopt this technology. 17:43:43 O: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-dist-app/2000Mar/0055.html from AaronSw 17:43:46 titled item O 17:43:48 commented item O 17:43:50 commented item O 17:43:58 @ mid:027b01c160d5$7b246d90$d6061812@CREST 17:43:58 P:|TimBL: Stick with URIs 17:43:58 P::It's an hourglass system, like IP. Lots of functionality supporting URIs below the waist, and lots of very different uses above the waist, which specify a URI as the identifier. 17:43:59 P: mid:027b01c160d5$7b246d90$d6061812@CREST from AaronSw 17:44:01 titled item P 17:44:03 commented item P 17:45:05 @ http://www.cultdeadcow.com/cDc_files/HacktivismoFAQ.html 17:45:07 Q: http://www.cultdeadcow.com/cDc_files/HacktivismoFAQ.html from AaronSw 17:45:17 Q:|Hacktivismo Project 17:45:20 titled item Q 17:45:28 Q::Cory: "Moving files thru opressive firewalls, like those you will find in high schools, China and Iran." 17:45:29 commented item Q 17:46:19 chumpster has quit 17:47:24 Q:: 17:48:57 sbp's mail is bouncing like crazy 17:49:04 chumpster has joined #swhack 17:54:02 @ http://wmf.editthispage.com/2001/11/05 17:54:05 Q: http://wmf.editthispage.com/2001/11/05 from AaronSw 17:54:18 Q:|Wesley Blogs P2PCon Sessions 17:54:19 titled item Q 17:54:37 chumpster has quit 18:01:16 chumpster has joined #swhack 18:01:45 L:: 18:01:46 http://peterme.com/archives/00000063.html 18:01:47 PeterMe: Innovation in Classification 18:01:48 (AaronSw) Peter describes "fasceted classification" -- finding things based upon their attributes (fascets) instead of a more top-down category-based approach. 18:02:09 L::Funny, this sounds an awful lot like RDF to me, and I thought [Peter didn't like the Semantic Web|http://www.techreview.com/magazine/nov01/frauenfelder2.asp]... 18:02:09 L::I've found a lot of success using a style of fasceted classification in Mac OS X's Mail.app. However, it needs a few more fascets (like Date), and possibly the vFolder's idea from Ximian Evolution. 18:02:09 L::Of course, all of this leads to an implementation of [intertwingle|http://www.mozilla.org/blue-sky/misc/199805/intertwingle.html]. 18:02:11 commented item L 18:02:15 commented item L 18:02:18 commented item L 18:02:28 @ http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-dist-app/2000Mar/0055.html 18:02:28 M:|Danbri: XML-based Linda systems? 18:02:29 M::Sounds a lot like the Plex to me... 18:02:29 M::Potential to link RPC-style programming with loosely-coupled style of the Web. Goal is to create an easy-to-use paradigm for programmers to adopt this technology. 18:02:30 M: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-dist-app/2000Mar/0055.html from AaronSw 18:02:33 titled item M 18:02:37 commented item M 18:02:41 commented item M 18:03:14 @ mid:027b01c160d5$7b246d90$d6061812@CREST 18:03:15 N:|TimBL: Stick with URIs 18:03:15 N::It's an hourglass system, like IP. Lots of functionality supporting URIs below the waist, and lots of very different uses above the waist, which specify a URI as the identifier. 18:03:17 N: mid:027b01c160d5$7b246d90$d6061812@CREST from AaronSw 18:03:21 titled item N 18:03:24 commented item N 18:04:06 @ http://www.cultdeadcow.com/cDc_files/HacktivismoFAQ.html 18:04:07 O:|Hacktivismo Project 18:04:07 O::Cory: "Moving files thru opressive firewalls, like those you will find in high schools, China and Iran." 18:04:09 O: http://www.cultdeadcow.com/cDc_files/HacktivismoFAQ.html from AaronSw 18:04:12 titled item O 18:04:18 commented item O 18:04:20 @ http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/819 18:04:21 P:|Rael Blogs P2PCon Keynote 18:04:23 P: http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/819 from AaronSw 18:04:26 titled item P 18:04:31 @ http://wmf.editthispage.com/2001/11/05 18:04:32 Q:|Wesley Blogs P2PCon Sessions 18:04:34 Q: http://wmf.editthispage.com/2001/11/05 from AaronSw 18:04:37 titled item Q 18:13:16 Morbus has joined #swhack 18:13:30 * AaronSw waves to Morbus from P2PCon... 18:13:48 * Morbus waves to AaronSw from a plush chair in cold NH. 18:14:00 Oh? Nearby? Tell them I said hi! 18:14:57 did you path chumpbot to work with weblogs? i just saw you there 18:15:25 Yeah 18:15:35 It pings the list everytime it saves... 18:15:38 cool. i threw blogscript onto the mac this morning. 18:15:48 blogscript? 18:16:08 yeah, that applescript that sits in your scriptmenu and xml-rpc's to blogger, and then pings weblogs? 18:16:12 webentourage.com 18:16:12 ah 18:17:03 Hmm, sessions on business models, p2p pagers, network warfare, and business web services 18:17:18 has that threadML one happened yet? 18:17:26 No, that's not until Weds, I think. 18:17:33 ah. 18:17:46 Whoa, what's with that new SF logo? 18:17:51 SF being SourceForge. 18:17:56 yeah, its ugly as hell. 18:17:58 i hate it. 18:18:37 they mentioned it in their latest mailing. how its supposed to be so they push their brand more or something. 18:19:00 heh 18:19:09 It's spectacularly ugly. 18:19:39 yup, those are about my feelings too :) 18:19:47 hey, did i show you the syncasaurus logo? 18:28:03 sbp has joined #swhack 18:32:11 hey sean. 18:32:17 wanna see the final syncasaurus logo? 18:34:00 yeah, sure 18:34:07 http://www.disobey.com/syncasaurus/ 18:34:28 hi there 18:34:38 @ http://www.neurogrid.net/ 18:34:39 [could take a while - I'm downloading a lot] 18:34:40 R: http://www.neurogrid.net/ from AaronSw 18:34:52 Hi Aaron 18:34:52 R:|Neurogrid Project 18:34:53 titled item R 18:35:12 R::The guy from this project is sitting next to me now, and suggests I take a look at this. 18:35:14 commented item R 18:36:13 I presume you meant, http://www.disobey.com/syncasaurus/synchasaurus_proper.jpg Morby? 18:36:20 yup 18:36:30 heh, cool 18:36:39 you like? 18:36:48 can you give us a precis - I'm not going to be able to download it... 18:37:01 hmm? 18:37:04 I'm still downloading the picture! 18:37:29 as I say, I'm downloading an awful lot of stuff... 18:38:25 heh, cool: a little Stegosaurus 18:38:35 isn't he cuttte? ;) 18:38:51 (with folders) 18:39:04 yep 18:39:55 good. 18:40:07 the person who drew that is a good friend - she does illustrations, kids books, and crap. 18:40:54 yeah, I think you told us that? 18:42:24 prolly. 18:42:43 * sbp watches some fireworks 18:42:43 we're meant to be having a bonfire tonight soon as well 18:43:52 'tis a joyous time of the year 18:44:29 that we celebrate with sparky whirly flares and rockets 18:51:34 ah, Nina Simone... 18:56:33 Aww, looks like Guha's talk was canceled. 18:59:43 elmaestro has joined #swhack 18:59:56 hi 19:02:55 gotta run 19:03:04 * AaronSw disconnects 19:12:14 Morbus has left #swhack 19:19:14 elmaestro has quit 20:19:03 classy, it's still on! 20:19:26 You mean to say, I've been out and it's still connected? It didn't disconnect? 20:19:31 I'm rather impressed 20:35:29 * sbp just had a great bonfire 20:35:36 went up a treat 20:36:13 There are still some really decent fireworks out there too 20:38:15 * AaronSw reconnects 20:41:18 * sbp waves 20:41:27 hi there 20:41:36 plenty to report from Bonfire Night here, but how is P2PCon? :-) 20:41:37 Was just at Hailstorm session... lot of skepticism here 20:41:57 heh, great! 20:41:58 Microsoft Guy: We'll accept it as long as it's schema-valid. 20:42:16 yeech 20:42:26 laughable... 20:42:44 The question was whether stuff was encrypted. 20:43:06 brb 20:43:11 oh, that's a real time quote, rather than some quote you picked up? 20:43:21 no 20:43:32 not real-time 20:43:54 ah 20:53:08 sbp has quit 20:54:34 Morbus has joined #swhack 20:58:19 Hey Morby 20:58:26 hey there. 20:58:29 Bill Kearney is around but he's in an animated chat 20:58:36 ah. using Microsoft Chat? 20:58:37 20:58:49 animated chat, ms chat used cartoon characaters, oh nevermind. 20:58:56 yeah, i know 20:59:02 did you see the final syncasaurus logo? 20:59:06 yep 20:59:56 super busy today. man oh man. 20:59:58 not reslishing going home. 21:00:07 monday is "clean out the inbox" day. 21:00:13 Ouch. 21:00:16 and all the emaisl left in it are long response sorta stuff. bah. 21:00:32 i need a whole day to catch up on email. every week. its so flipping sick. 21:00:48 heh 21:00:54 did you see the new navbar i did? or are you not checking emails? 21:01:10 s8 navbar? 21:01:13 is there a second one now? 21:01:14 yeah 21:01:24 yeah, sent an email to s8@ about it. 21:01:30 I'm checking email but i never got that one 21:01:40 weird... hmm... i wonder if anyone got it. 21:01:42 lemme ask jeff. 21:01:59 oh, here it is 21:02:12 http://www.disobey.com/syncic8/res.jpg? 21:02:30 bwahaah 21:02:40 [[[ 21:02:41 [16:03] akaMorbus: hey, did you et that email on the new navbar? i sent it this morning, but aaron sez he never got it. 21:02:42 [16:03] akaMorbus: oop. nevermind. he just found it. he's a moron. 21:02:42 Session Close (jeffscottbarr): Mon Nov 05 16:03:42 2001 21:02:42 Session Start (AIM - akaMorbus:jeffscottbarr): Mon Nov 05 16:03:46 2001 21:02:42 [16:03] jeffscottbarr: I did, but I am in LA at a customer site and have not been able to find it. 21:02:44 Session Close (jeffscottbarr): Mon Nov 05 16:03:50 2001 21:02:46 Session Start (AIM - akaMorbus:jeffscottbarr): Mon Nov 05 16:03:50 2001 21:02:48 [16:03] jeffscottbarr: Kids these days :-) 21:02:50 [16:03] akaMorbus: hehehe. 21:02:52 [16:03] jeffscottbarr: Better ground him. 21:02:54 ]]] 21:02:59 Heh. 21:03:13 yeah, i screwed up the spellign on that one. just add res.jpg to the right one. 21:03:14 Morbus has left #swhack 21:03:47 You have way too many things in your dock :) 21:04:20 Morbus has joined #swhack 21:04:28 grumble grumble 21:05:14 yessss. 21:05:28 you know how movable type had rss support? no one knew about it. though. i bugged him and in the new version: 21:05:33 * Added ``Syndicate this site'' link to default index template. 21:05:35 woo. 21:05:44 cool 21:05:57 i need foood 21:06:07 none at the con? 21:06:20 nothing good 21:06:30 well, i mean -- they just had a little lunch 21:06:42 I wonder whether I should go back to the hotel and grab something 21:06:49 you'll miss something. 21:06:52 better to have a pizza delivered ;) 21:07:01 :-) 21:07:07 thenyou can yell out "free pizza" and meet new people :) 21:07:59 :) 21:11:35 "We're very involved in Microsoft's anti-trust case. We're not on Microsoft's side. " 21:11:56 BLURB:Overheard at P2PCon 21:12:03 chumpster has quit 21:12:17 Hmm. 21:14:06 chumpster has joined #swhack 21:14:59 S:: 21:15:00 blurb 21:15:01 Overheard at P2PCon 21:15:08 S::Cory: "You're treating madness as damage and routing around it. " 21:15:09 commented item S 21:15:54 S::"We're very involved in Microsoft's anti-trust case. We're not on Microsoft's side. " 21:15:56 commented item S 21:25:52 Ooh, a lawyer from the WTO. 21:27:41 Oh, she just left the WTO. 21:28:57 S::"'The West Wing' is surprisingly accurate." 21:28:59 commented item S 21:29:32 S::"One of the reasons I left the Whitehouse was so that I didn't have to deal with the Clipper Chip anymore." From Crowd: "We took care of that for you." 21:29:35 commented item S 21:31:20 "We're not your father's IBM." 21:46:33 elmaestro has joined #swhack 21:46:39 hi 21:46:43 how are you? 21:47:00 GabeW has joined #swhack 21:49:23 xena, 59.50 + 59.50 21:49:33 x 59.50 + 59.50 21:49:46 pah! 21:53:39 elmaestro has quit 21:53:43 .news swhack 21:53:44 [ SWHACK ] - Overheard at P2PCon - Neurogrid Project - Wesley Blogs P2PCon Sessions - http://blogspace.com/swhack/weblog/ 21:53:47 :-) 21:58:31 sbp has joined #swhack 22:02:41 hi 22:03:46 S::"We're only about 5% into this Internet revolution." 22:03:51 commented item S 22:04:25 S::Microsoft on HailStorm: "We'll accept anything as long as it's schema-valid." 22:04:27 commented item S 22:04:31 i disagree. i think we're 6 percent. there's nothing odda bout this ballyhooed revelution. 22:05:13 heh 22:06:47 tav has quit 22:06:51 gonna take a break now... 22:07:06 * AaronSw disconnects 22:15:22 * AaronSw reconnects 22:16:46 S::Tim O'Reilly: "I'm going to take this opportunity to plug two [Larry Lessig] books." From Crowd: "Are they available online?" 22:16:48 commented item S 22:17:02 heh. 22:19:33 S::Tim O'Reilly: "If an author wants to make their book available for free on the Net, I'll publish it." 22:19:35 commented item S 22:23:26 * AaronSw disconnects 22:25:16 GabeW has quit 22:31:33 sbp has quit 22:32:21 Morbus has left #swhack 22:46:51 GabeW has joined #swhack 22:48:24 * AaronSw reconnects 22:49:38 S::HailStorm Architect: "I don't know what OpenCola is but it must be a Peer-to-Peer thing. [...] Charles Fitzgerald gave me that logo." 22:49:40 commented item S 22:54:15 S::HailStorm Guy: "You need to be careful and not to make protocols too complicated to fall into that trap." 22:54:16 commented item S 23:02:52 S::He says that [the schemas are available|http://schemas.microsoft.com/hailstorm/2001/10/] but I can't get through. 23:02:58 commented item S 23:06:28 coderman has joined #swhack 23:08:19 hi coderman 23:10:12 sbp has joined #swhack 23:11:36 hi sbp 23:11:55 Hi there 23:12:27 S::"We look at [XML] as the data model." 23:12:27 Morbus has joined #swhack 23:12:29 commented item S 23:12:43 * sbp waves at Morby 23:13:04 Heh, Aaron - you seem to be enjoying P2PDevcon! 23:13:11 :-) 23:13:17 the chump is on "S"! 23:13:27 It's not flipping for some reason. 23:13:41 but i'm not in the mood to debug 23:14:00