IRC log of swhack on 2001-11-05

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.google P2PCon2
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P2PCon2: http://zgp.org/pipermail/p2p-hackers/2001-August.txt
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.google P2P
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P2P: http://www.openp2p.com
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.imdb Scary Movie
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http://www.imdb.com/M/title-substring?&type=fuzzy&title=Scary+Movie
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anyone know what happened to userland?
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hello
14:35:54 [AaronSw]
I::Well, I'm here! It's quite exciting and a lot of fun. Talk to you all soon.
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commented item I
14:36:12 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has changed the topic to: Live from O'Reilly's P2PCon!
14:54:25 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/819
14:54:27 [chumpster]
L: http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/819 from AaronSw
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L:|Rael Blogs the P2PCon Keynote
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titled item L
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* sbp waves
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* AaronSw waves
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Should I take notes in here?
15:34:50 [AaronSw]
currently at: http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/p2pweb2001/view/e_sess/1722
15:34:58 [sbp]
yeah, sure
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how is it?
15:35:06 [AaronSw]
It's pretty cool.
15:35:21 [AaronSw]
Met TimO earlier today, and got to see Rael again.
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TimO?
15:36:00 [AaronSw]
Tim O'Reilly
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Ah
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heh, heh: The Sheep that Shits Grass
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Heh.
15:37:08 [sbp]
are you pitching
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are you pitching Plex?
15:37:16 [AaronSw]
Yep.
15:37:21 [AaronSw]
To some extent...
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Had a nice chat about how to develop it with some netowking gurus over dinner last night.
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and what would that extent be?
15:38:34 [AaronSw]
I'm talking to folks about it, but I'm not a walking billboard
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cool
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Cory: "You're treating madness as damage and routing around it. <laughs />"
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@ http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/819
17:40:13 [chumpster]
M: http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/819 from AaronSw
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M:|Oops.
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titled item M
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@ http://peterme.com/archives/00000063.html
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N: http://peterme.com/archives/00000063.html from AaronSw
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N:|PeterMe: Innovation in Classification
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titled item N
17:43:17 [AaronSw]
N::Peter describes "fasceted classification" -- finding things based upon their attributes (fascets) instead of a more top-down category-based approach.
17:43:18 [AaronSw]
N::Funny, this sounds an awful lot like RDF to me, and I thought [Peter didn't like the Semantic Web|http://www.techreview.com/magazine/nov01/frauenfelder2.asp]...
17:43:18 [AaronSw]
N::I've found a lot of success using a style of fasceted classification in Mac OS X's Mail.app. However, it needs a few more fascets (like Date), and possibly the vFolder's idea from Ximian Evolution.
17:43:18 [AaronSw]
N::Of course, all of this leads to an implementation of [intertwingle|http://www.mozilla.org/blue-sky/misc/199805/intertwingle.html].
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commented item N
17:43:39 [AaronSw]
@ http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-dist-app/2000Mar/0055.html
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O:|Danbri: XML-based Linda systems?
17:43:39 [AaronSw]
O::Sounds a lot like the Plex to me...
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O::Potential to link RPC-style programming with loosely-coupled style of the Web. Goal is to create an easy-to-use paradigm for programmers to adopt this technology.
17:43:43 [chumpster]
O: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-dist-app/2000Mar/0055.html from AaronSw
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commented item O
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commented item O
17:43:58 [AaronSw]
@ mid:027b01c160d5$7b246d90$d6061812@CREST
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P:|TimBL: Stick with URIs
17:43:58 [AaronSw]
P::It's an hourglass system, like IP. Lots of functionality supporting URIs below the waist, and lots of very different uses above the waist, which specify a URI as the identifier.
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P: mid:027b01c160d5$7b246d90$d6061812@CREST from AaronSw
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commented item P
17:45:05 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.cultdeadcow.com/cDc_files/HacktivismoFAQ.html
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Q: http://www.cultdeadcow.com/cDc_files/HacktivismoFAQ.html from AaronSw
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Q:|Hacktivismo Project
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titled item Q
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Q::Cory: "Moving files thru opressive firewalls, like those you will find in high schools, China and Iran."
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Q::
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sbp's mail is bouncing like crazy
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@ http://wmf.editthispage.com/2001/11/05
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Q: http://wmf.editthispage.com/2001/11/05 from AaronSw
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Q:|Wesley Blogs P2PCon Sessions
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L::
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http://peterme.com/archives/00000063.html
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PeterMe: Innovation in Classification
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(AaronSw) Peter describes "fasceted classification" -- finding things based upon their attributes (fascets) instead of a more top-down category-based approach.
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L::Funny, this sounds an awful lot like RDF to me, and I thought [Peter didn't like the Semantic Web|http://www.techreview.com/magazine/nov01/frauenfelder2.asp]...
18:02:09 [AaronSw]
L::I've found a lot of success using a style of fasceted classification in Mac OS X's Mail.app. However, it needs a few more fascets (like Date), and possibly the vFolder's idea from Ximian Evolution.
18:02:09 [AaronSw]
L::Of course, all of this leads to an implementation of [intertwingle|http://www.mozilla.org/blue-sky/misc/199805/intertwingle.html].
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commented item L
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commented item L
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@ http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-dist-app/2000Mar/0055.html
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M:|Danbri: XML-based Linda systems?
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M::Sounds a lot like the Plex to me...
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M::Potential to link RPC-style programming with loosely-coupled style of the Web. Goal is to create an easy-to-use paradigm for programmers to adopt this technology.
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M: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-dist-app/2000Mar/0055.html from AaronSw
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titled item M
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commented item M
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commented item M
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@ mid:027b01c160d5$7b246d90$d6061812@CREST
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N:|TimBL: Stick with URIs
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N::It's an hourglass system, like IP. Lots of functionality supporting URIs below the waist, and lots of very different uses above the waist, which specify a URI as the identifier.
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N: mid:027b01c160d5$7b246d90$d6061812@CREST from AaronSw
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titled item N
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commented item N
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@ http://www.cultdeadcow.com/cDc_files/HacktivismoFAQ.html
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O:|Hacktivismo Project
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O::Cory: "Moving files thru opressive firewalls, like those you will find in high schools, China and Iran."
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O: http://www.cultdeadcow.com/cDc_files/HacktivismoFAQ.html from AaronSw
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titled item O
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commented item O
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@ http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/819
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P:|Rael Blogs P2PCon Keynote
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P: http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/819 from AaronSw
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titled item P
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@ http://wmf.editthispage.com/2001/11/05
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Q:|Wesley Blogs P2PCon Sessions
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Q: http://wmf.editthispage.com/2001/11/05 from AaronSw
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titled item Q
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* AaronSw waves to Morbus from P2PCon...
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* Morbus waves to AaronSw from a plush chair in cold NH.
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Oh? Nearby? Tell them I said hi!
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did you path chumpbot to work with weblogs? i just saw you there
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Yeah
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It pings the list everytime it saves...
18:15:38 [Morbus]
cool. i threw blogscript onto the mac this morning.
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blogscript?
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yeah, that applescript that sits in your scriptmenu and xml-rpc's to blogger, and then pings weblogs?
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webentourage.com
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ah
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Hmm, sessions on business models, p2p pagers, network warfare, and business web services
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has that threadML one happened yet?
18:17:26 [AaronSw]
No, that's not until Weds, I think.
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ah.
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Whoa, what's with that new SF logo?
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SF being SourceForge.
18:17:56 [Morbus]
yeah, its ugly as hell.
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i hate it.
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they mentioned it in their latest mailing. how its supposed to be so they push their brand more or something.
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heh
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It's spectacularly ugly.
18:19:39 [Morbus]
yup, those are about my feelings too :)
18:19:47 [Morbus]
hey, did i show you the syncasaurus logo?
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18:32:11 [Morbus]
hey sean.
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wanna see the final syncasaurus logo?
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yeah, sure
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http://www.disobey.com/syncasaurus/
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hi there
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@ http://www.neurogrid.net/
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[could take a while - I'm downloading a lot]
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R: http://www.neurogrid.net/ from AaronSw
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Hi Aaron
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R:|Neurogrid Project
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titled item R
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R::The guy from this project is sitting next to me now, and suggests I take a look at this.
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commented item R
18:36:13 [sbp]
I presume you meant, http://www.disobey.com/syncasaurus/synchasaurus_proper.jpg Morby?
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yup
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heh, cool
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you like?
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can you give us a precis - I'm not going to be able to download it...
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hmm?
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I'm still downloading the picture!
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as I say, I'm downloading an awful lot of stuff...
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heh, cool: a little Stegosaurus
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isn't he cuttte? ;)
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(with folders)
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yep
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good.
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the person who drew that is a good friend - she does illustrations, kids books, and crap.
18:40:54 [sbp]
yeah, I think you told us that?
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prolly.
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* sbp watches some fireworks
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we're meant to be having a bonfire tonight soon as well
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'tis a joyous time of the year
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that we celebrate with sparky whirly flares and rockets
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ah, Nina Simone...
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Aww, looks like Guha's talk was canceled.
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hi
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gotta run
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classy, it's still on!
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You mean to say, I've been out and it's still connected? It didn't disconnect?
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I'm rather impressed
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* sbp just had a great bonfire
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went up a treat
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There are still some really decent fireworks out there too
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hi there
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plenty to report from Bonfire Night here, but how is P2PCon? :-)
20:41:37 [AaronSw]
Was just at Hailstorm session... lot of skepticism here
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heh, great!
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Microsoft Guy: We'll accept it as long as it's schema-valid.
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yeech
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laughable...
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The question was whether stuff was encrypted.
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brb
20:43:11 [sbp]
oh, that's a real time quote, rather than some quote you picked up?
20:43:21 [AaronSw]
no
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not real-time
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ah
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Hey Morby
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hey there.
20:58:29 [AaronSw]
Bill Kearney is around but he's in an animated chat
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ah. using Microsoft Chat?
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<g>
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animated chat, ms chat used cartoon characaters, oh nevermind.
20:58:56 [AaronSw]
yeah, i know
20:59:02 [Morbus]
did you see the final syncasaurus logo?
20:59:06 [AaronSw]
yep
20:59:56 [Morbus]
super busy today. man oh man.
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not reslishing going home.
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monday is "clean out the inbox" day.
21:00:13 [AaronSw]
Ouch.
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and all the emaisl left in it are long response sorta stuff. bah.
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i need a whole day to catch up on email. every week. its so flipping sick.
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heh
21:00:54 [Morbus]
did you see the new navbar i did? or are you not checking emails?
21:01:10 [AaronSw]
s8 navbar?
21:01:13 [AaronSw]
is there a second one now?
21:01:14 [Morbus]
yeah
21:01:24 [Morbus]
yeah, sent an email to s8@ about it.
21:01:30 [AaronSw]
I'm checking email but i never got that one
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weird... hmm... i wonder if anyone got it.
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lemme ask jeff.
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oh, here it is
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http://www.disobey.com/syncic8/res.jpg?
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bwahaah
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[[[
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[16:03] akaMorbus: hey, did you et that email on the new navbar? i sent it this morning, but aaron sez he never got it.
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[16:03] akaMorbus: oop. nevermind. he just found it. he's a moron.
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Session Close (jeffscottbarr): Mon Nov 05 16:03:42 2001
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Session Start (AIM - akaMorbus:jeffscottbarr): Mon Nov 05 16:03:46 2001
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[16:03] jeffscottbarr: I did, but I am in LA at a customer site and have not been able to find it.
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Session Close (jeffscottbarr): Mon Nov 05 16:03:50 2001
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Session Start (AIM - akaMorbus:jeffscottbarr): Mon Nov 05 16:03:50 2001
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[16:03] jeffscottbarr: Kids these days :-)
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[16:03] akaMorbus: hehehe.
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[16:03] jeffscottbarr: Better ground him.
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]]]
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Heh.
21:03:13 [Morbus]
yeah, i screwed up the spellign on that one. just add res.jpg to the right one.
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You have way too many things in your dock :)
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grumble grumble
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yessss.
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you know how movable type had rss support? no one knew about it. though. i bugged him and in the new version:
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* Added ``Syndicate this site'' link to default index template.
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woo.
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cool
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i need foood
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none at the con?
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nothing good
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well, i mean -- they just had a little lunch
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I wonder whether I should go back to the hotel and grab something
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you'll miss something.
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better to have a pizza delivered ;)
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:-)
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thenyou can yell out "free pizza" and meet new people :)
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:)
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"We're very involved in Microsoft's anti-trust case. We're not on Microsoft's side. <cheering />"
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BLURB:Overheard at P2PCon
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Hmm.
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S::
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blurb
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Overheard at P2PCon
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S::Cory: "You're treating madness as damage and routing around it. <laughs />"
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S::"We're very involved in Microsoft's anti-trust case. We're not on Microsoft's side. <cheering />"
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Ooh, a lawyer from the WTO.
21:27:41 [AaronSw]
Oh, she just left the WTO.
21:28:57 [AaronSw]
S::"'The West Wing' is surprisingly accurate."
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21:29:32 [AaronSw]
S::"One of the reasons I left the Whitehouse was so that I didn't have to deal with the Clipper Chip anymore." From Crowd: "We took care of that for you."
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commented item S
21:31:20 [AaronSw]
"We're not your father's IBM."
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hi
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how are you?
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21:49:23 [Morbus]
xena, 59.50 + 59.50
21:49:33 [AaronSw]
x 59.50 + 59.50
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pah!
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.news swhack
21:53:44 [xena]
[ SWHACK ] - Overheard at P2PCon - Neurogrid Project - Wesley Blogs P2PCon Sessions - http://blogspace.com/swhack/weblog/
21:53:47 [AaronSw]
:-)
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hi
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S::"We're only about 5% into this Internet revolution."
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S::Microsoft on HailStorm: "We'll accept anything as long as it's schema-valid."
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22:04:31 [Morbus]
i disagree. i think we're 6 percent. there's nothing odda bout this ballyhooed revelution.
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heh
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gonna take a break now...
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S::Tim O'Reilly: "I'm going to take this opportunity to plug two [Larry Lessig] books." From Crowd: "Are they available online?" <laughs />
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22:17:02 [Morbus]
heh.
22:19:33 [AaronSw]
S::Tim O'Reilly: "If an author wants to make their book available for free on the Net, I'll publish it."
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S::HailStorm Architect: "I don't know what OpenCola is but it must be a Peer-to-Peer thing. [...] Charles Fitzgerald gave me that logo."
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S::HailStorm Guy: "You need to be careful and not to make protocols too complicated to fall into that trap."
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S::He says that [the schemas are available|http://schemas.microsoft.com/hailstorm/2001/10/] but I can't get through.
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commented item S
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hi coderman
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hi sbp
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Hi there
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S::"We look at [XML] as the data model."
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commented item S
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Heh, Aaron - you seem to be enjoying P2PDevcon!
23:13:11 [AaronSw]
:-)
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the chump is on "S"!
23:13:27 [AaronSw]
It's not flipping for some reason.
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but i'm not in the mood to debug
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hhiiii sbippy!
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S::"There is no anonymous access."
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