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00:00:42 @all: where are you from??? usa ??? 00:00:53 all over the place 00:01:10 you name a country, one of us is bound to be from it :-) 00:01:20 Afghanistan 00:01:26 erm... 00:01:38 * sbp *knew* Aaron was going to say that 00:01:51 erm ??? what's that? 00:02:05 Actually, I was going to say Kazakhistan but I don't know how to spell it. 00:02:12 OK., so there are some countries that we're not from. erm == er 00:02:31 i see. thx. 00:02:54 I just added an extra "m" on the end to make it look pretty 00:02:56 AaronSw: that's near russia ??? 00:03:04 yeah 00:03:11 i see ;) 00:03:43 i'm just from germany ;) 00:04:02 heh, heh. Do you watch football 00:04:12 s/football/football?/ 00:04:25 no. i'm a female software developer (trainee) 00:04:56 aw, damn. I've been waiting for *so* long for a German football supporter to come in here :-) 00:05:10 so, what's your question/query/comment? 00:05:13 how can we help? 00:05:26 *g* where are you from? 00:05:38 ah, the U.K. of course 00:05:52 why "of course"? 00:06:16 otherwise I wouldn't care about the English/German football result! :-) 00:06:41 hmm... *g* ok, that's correct 00:07:41 hm... ??? 00:08:54 er, so anyway... how may we be of service? 00:09:02 hmm... means you can access it by using a web-browser and by using an irc-client ??? 00:09:10 Wow, that's a small hard drive: http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/powerbook_g4/PB_G4_HD_upgrade/hd_assy_removed.jpg 00:09:37 elmaestro, yes 00:10:02 hmm... but how is it working in technical details ??? 00:10:24 logster over there takes everything we say and saves it to a file on my web server. 00:10:31 logster, hi 00:10:31 I'm logging. I don't understand 'hi', AaronSw. Try /msg logster help 00:10:55 He's a little program that does this. 00:11:20 i see. thx. 00:11:50 is somebody using linux ? 00:11:59 logster is running on a linux server 00:12:13 and i'm using linux 00:12:18 cool! which distribution? 00:12:32 Redhat right now, but i want to try out debian 00:12:54 everybody uses redhat! that's incredible ;) 00:13:05 heh, they make it easy 00:13:09 DanC uses Debian, doesn't he? 00:13:15 Yep. 00:13:21 And Gerald? 00:13:36 Well, yes. 00:13:38 yeah. i know, i have redhat also installed on my machine. but currently i'm using suse 00:14:51 gotta run, it's dinner now -- c'ya later 00:15:01 cya 00:15:06 c'ya 00:15:48 * sbp continues to play "The Lemon Song" 00:16:47 halloween is celebrated very strong in u.k. isn't it? 00:17:41 it's celebrated pretty strongly, yes, but not as much as in America, AFAICT 00:17:50 AFAICT == As Far As I Can Tell... 00:18:47 hmm... what are you normally doing on halloween??? how do you celebrate it? 00:20:16 er... kids go Trick Or Treating, there are horror stories on the T.V. 00:20:57 hmm... sounds cool. 00:21:15 Yeah, it's a general theme 00:21:31 It's a nice night tonight, because of the full moon, and it's cold, crisp, and clear out 00:21:43 oh, and we have Jack-O'-Lanterns too 00:21:57 what's that? 00:22:00 they're meant to keep away dark spirits, somewhat akin to a gargoyle 00:22:34 er... traditionally a hollowed out pumpkin, with holes cut into it to make a face, and then a candle put inside it 00:22:47 so, you don't celebrate it much in Germany, I guess? 00:24:00 * sbp works on his homepage a little more 00:24:12 yeah, you're right. in germany, we also have this thing with the pumkin, but there are not very much people who are going trick or treating. 00:24:45 yeah. And it depends upon the place here: in our old house, we had on average 40 trick or treaters on Hallowe'en night 00:24:51 this year we had... none! 00:25:20 oops! *g* 40 ?!!! help! where did you live? 00:25:53 heh, yeah... it was quite a lot. Where did I live? In a place with too many kids around :-) 00:26:18 *ggg* in which country in the u.k. are you living? 00:26:28 England 00:26:45 *g* 00:27:00 * sbp rarely gets more specific than that... :-) 00:28:16 thx. i think it doesn't matter... 00:28:49 true 00:29:07 simpsons ;)))) everybody loves them *smile* 00:29:12 yes! 00:29:29 yeah, I certainly like to talk about The Simpsons, and quote Homer, and so on... 00:29:44 it's what I do! 00:30:20 hehe ;) homer is quite cool. or bart ;))) 00:30:37 Yeah, I think Homer's the best... then possibly Lisa? 00:30:53 Summer Of 4ft2 was a great episode 00:31:34 hmm... don't ask me... i prefer bart, because he is talking everytime about everything without thinking what he is talking ;) 00:32:07 so does Homer! 00:32:35 yeah. 00:32:42 Homer: So what are you gonna do? Release the dogs? Or the bees? Or the dogs with bees in their mouths, and when the bark, they shoot bees at you? 00:33:15 Homer: Marge, it take two to lie. One to lie, and one to listen. 00:33:26 but I could quote for hours... 00:33:41 hehe ;) 00:34:29 i'm not watching simpsons very often, because normally i come home at about 7:30 p.m. because i have to work very much... but it doesn't matter, because i love working ;) 00:34:44 ah, it's good when you love your job 00:34:57 but I wouldn't like missing The Simpsons... well, I'd tape them 00:35:07 i'm a workaholic ;) that's the problem ;) 00:35:24 btw, how old are you? 00:35:36 tsk. How old are you? 00:35:42 17 00:35:44 heh, just kidding. I'm 18 00:35:51 ah, well there you go 00:35:55 er... no, actually I' 00:35:57 I'm 19 00:36:04 damn, I can't even remember my own age! 00:36:19 the problem is, every time I remember it, I get a year older 00:36:20 *g* had you some drinks today *eg* 00:36:42 are you still attending school? 00:36:46 ah! actually, I haven't drunk in two years or so. I've just got a terrible memory for those sort of things :-) 00:36:52 I'm at University 00:37:04 help! what are you studying? 00:37:16 Artificial Intelligence, BA 00:37:39 informatics ???? 00:37:44 pardon? 00:37:58 try Google... er lemme help 00:38:12 http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Artificial+Intelligence%22 00:38:41 i know what it is. but i didn't know that you can study it... 00:39:40 yeah, it's quite a good course - taking in Philosophy, Programming, Linguistics, etc. 00:40:03 whui! sounds cool! 00:40:17 uh huh 00:40:35 what ? 00:40:46 uh huh = yep/yes/yeah 00:41:05 "ja" 00:41:52 ya 00:42:01 yo 00:42:13 Hola, Aaron! 00:42:19 wb 00:42:21 *g* who of you can speak german?? 00:42:30 I took German at school 00:42:44 how many years ??? 00:42:50 two 00:43:26 it's difficult, isn't it? 00:43:29 all I can say is: Ich möchte gern ein Bier 00:43:48 *ggg* very important ;P 00:44:06 if I knew the German for "Woman/Girl", then that would complete my vocabulary 00:44:37 frau (woman), mädchen (girl) 00:44:45 ah, excellent! 00:44:54 *g* 00:44:57 * sbp feels confident enough to take a trip to Germany now 00:45:06 Ich kann Glas essen, das tut mir nicht weh. 00:45:38 i have to learn russian (a little bit) because i need a basci knowledge in speaking/reading russian at work ;) 00:45:46 I tried to learn Russian 00:46:02 I learnt the cyrillic alphabet... 00:46:16 *ggg* it's extremely difficult, isn't it? 00:46:16 * sbp waves to deltab, tells him to stop eating glass 00:46:16 .translate ger-eng Ich möchte gern ein Bier 00:46:20 I would like willingly one brew 00:46:25 lol! 00:46:29 .translate eng-ger Ich kann Glas essen, das tut mir nicht weh. 00:46:41 I think it's more like: gimme a beer 00:46:41 [Ich] [kann] [Glas] eßt, [das] [tut] [mir] [nicht] [weh]. 00:46:55 .translate ger-eng Ich kann Glas essen, das tut mir nicht weh. 00:47:01 self tin glass meal, the does to me not woe. 00:47:06 LOL! 00:47:07 lol! 00:47:21 I can eat glass, it does me no pain 00:47:36 or something like that? 00:47:47 right 00:47:58 heh, that's well translated. 00:48:08 http://hcs.harvard.edu/~igp/europe.html 00:48:28 * sbp notes that deltab is quite the cunning linguist 00:48:29 i tried it... 00:48:48 ah, neat deltab 00:49:17 What's the point of that project? 00:49:25 Dw i'n gallu bwyta gwydr, dwy e ddim yn gwneud dolur i mi 00:49:39 ??? 00:49:43 heh: 'But, if one says "I can eat glass, it doesn't hurt me," you will be viewed as an insane native, and treated with dignity and respect.' - http://hcs.harvard.edu/~igp/glass.html 00:50:08 elmaestro: that means the same thing (in Welsh) 00:50:31 ok. thx. 00:50:55 Aaron just said it to get back at me for stupidly trying to learn Welsh 00:51:05 it's about the 15th language I've tried to learn 00:51:30 We need to add a Python version. 00:51:40 *g* why did you try to learn thousands of languages? 00:51:50 not thousands, just 15 00:52:01 Heh: 00:52:02 15 was enough :-) 00:52:03 p=I can eat glass 00:52:03 q=I Hurt 00:52:03 p->(!q) 00:52:03 p 00:52:03 ------- 00:52:04 .:!q 00:52:15 every year a new language *g* but why? 00:52:25 well, I get bored, y'see 00:52:33 it gives me something to do :-) 00:52:52 tststs... ;) 00:52:58 interestingly, I don't think that I've learned one yet. Except English, and even that at which I do struggle me 00:53:13 Heh! 00:53:28 heh 00:54:20 I can't believe they don't list the English version! 00:55:14 i have to speak english (because i'm working for an international software company) and german. and additional to this i have to lear a little bit russian (technical russian) because i'm currently working in localization, too. it's crazy. ;) 00:56:01 Heh: How does Your Mother feel about Eating glass? Are you doing it to hurt her? 00:57:26 heh, heh: where's that from? 00:57:32 - http://hcs.harvard.edu/~igp/humor.html 00:57:39 I love the feedback. 00:59:45 "In Jive: Damn, bro, I is eatin' dat sharp ass glass all da time, and man, believe it,'cause it ain't be hurtin' me yet!" 01:00:02 Heh heh. 01:00:50 this is good: In Morse Code: .- -.-..--. ..-- --..-...-...... ..- -..---.... -.---- ......-.-.---. 01:00:58 what's better is the pronunciation guide:- 01:01:05 Pronounced: beep beeeeep beeeeep beep, etc. 01:02:30 aaaaaaargh! http://www.faqs.org/faqs/verb-verb-verb/ 01:02:46 alt.annoying.faq.stop.stop.stop 01:03:01 haha, ALT.FREQUENT.QUESTIONS.ASK.ASK.ASK 01:03:17 Heheh. 01:03:42 how can i use unicode ? i have to print some cyrillic documents 01:03:54 what do you want to use it in? HTML? 01:04:23 in html i'm able to use it. but i need it if i want to print this files... 01:04:32 btw, under linux 01:06:17 dunno 01:06:32 it should print right if you just print the HTML, surely? 01:06:54 maybe it should do this right 01:07:03 they mean: alt.adjectival.noun.verbize.verbize.verbize 01:12:13 Sheesh, we've only gotten one trick-or-treater today, and they're friends of ours so they came over. 01:12:17 Must be our long driveway. 01:12:38 hehe 01:12:55 I was going to put caution tape at the end but couldn't find any. 01:13:01 I figured that would definitely get kids coming. 01:13:14 heh 01:13:24 lol 01:13:43 GabeW has joined #swhack 01:13:43 Actually, my first plan was to grab one of the old Audio Spotlight prototypes from MIT, and use them to freak out the kids from behind the bushes.... but I never got around to asking for one. 01:14:00 The guy who invented it is quite paranoid. 01:15:54 i have to go. cu 01:15:57 elmaestro has quit 01:20:20 * sbp wonders who that was 01:20:40 Heh. 01:21:17 Weird, the wind is whistling really loudly, like a Ghost. 01:27:27 Can anyone recommend what version of Mozilla to get? tav? deltab? 01:29:45 cool: http://web.archive.org/web/19980213184710/http://www13.w3.org/DesignIssues/ 01:32:32 their servers must be massive 01:32:52 it's a shame that the service isn't 100% reliable at the moment, but when it is, it's going to be incredible 01:33:04 what do they do about copyright? I wonder if they'll get sued? 01:33:12 or do they remove pages? 01:33:16 upon request, I mean 01:37:55 Yeah, I think so. 01:40:00 I'm annoyed (to put it mildly) at the relationship between archive.org and alexa.com 01:40:07 Why? 01:40:10 they are essentially (AFAICT) one and the same 01:40:28 I don't think so... 01:40:30 and yet archive.org gets around copyright because they are a "library" 01:40:36 oh yes they are - or at least they were 01:40:47 I interviewed there 01:40:51 They seem to have been very careful about being separate legally... 01:40:52 a long while ago 01:41:03 But perhaps this is new since they were bought. 01:41:05 separate in form, but not in substance 01:41:10 yeah, quite posisbly - 01:41:24 substance: sure, they're both Brewster's children. 01:41:35 they've been crawling the web since way before alexa got bought 01:41:42 yeah, I interviewed with brewster 01:41:48 Cool! 01:41:55 That'd be an awesome place to work, I think. 01:42:21 it was pretty interesting - they were interviewing me to be some sort of director for the archive 01:42:31 which I probably was totally unqualified for at the time 01:42:34 Wow. 01:42:57 This was right after law school and I knew some folks who were involved with the Archive 01:43:04 * sbp bows to Gabe 01:43:41 you get to rub shoulders with a lot of peoplewhen you go to law school at berkeley - I just didn't appreciate that fact while I was there 01:43:56 I really hated law school and wanted to get the hell away from it 01:44:04 I just realized I don't actually know where you work, GabeW. 01:44:08 ah 01:44:18 I have my own consulting company right now - http://www.wiredobjects.com 01:44:25 well, there are two of us 01:44:31 Aha 01:45:27 anyway, the linkage between alexa and the archive seemed less than "arms length" - 01:45:43 But why did that worry you? 01:45:44 it seemed to me that alexa was using the form of the archive as a non profit to qualify for copyright exemptions 01:46:02 when in fact the archive was (at least it appeared to me) really just a business unit of alexa 01:46:10 How do they profit from it? 01:46:22 How do they profit from anything for that matter... 01:46:28 well, alexa's "whats related" software I believe from their crawling 01:46:38 Yeah. 01:46:44 now, I grant you, I don't know all the details and I'm not about to go ranting about it in public (or at least very public) 01:46:50 it just smelled very funny to me 01:46:51 Heh. 01:47:13 the thing is - I thought (and I guess I still do) that Brewster really is a good guy 01:47:22 or at least has good intentions in mind 01:48:02 I actually think archive.org is a good thing, its just the relationship with alexa that bugged/bugs me 01:48:49 Do you know how Alexa makes money? Other than being bought... 01:49:06 nope - don't know - I'm not sure that wasn't their intention ;-) 01:51:11 Uh oh, seem to have crashed... 01:51:32 damn! I was doing so much stuff as well 01:51:39 that's the problem with multitasking 01:51:47 What crashed? 01:51:56 Windows 01:52:01 But you're still here... 01:53:13 hmm. I really like what archive.org is doing 01:53:37 only just: just lost the IRC window too a second ago... 01:53:49 ugh, I'll have to reset. Damn 01:53:52 sbp has quit 01:54:36 wonder if there is anything useful to be done with RDF and the Internet Archive.. 01:54:50 Hmm. 01:55:04 they will give you shell access to do research on their data 01:55:11 if you give them a good proposal 01:55:15 Yeah, I know 01:56:57 actually, it might be more interesting to "hook" into their crawler and grab rdf on the fly ... hmm 02:03:46 sbp has joined #swhack 02:10:52 Wow: http://web.archive.org/web/19971210220609/http://www.w3.org/ 02:11:00 Leading the Evolution of the Web... 02:11:00 W3C Issues XML1.0 as a Proposed Recommendation 02:11:03 Heh! 02:11:20 that's funny, I was just searching through the W3C as well! 02:11:31 I keep getting weird stuff: http://web.archive.org/web/19970419101414/http://www18.w3.org/ 02:11:44 Yeah, there's some weirdness with rDNS or something. 02:12:31 heh: no RDF listed 02:12:59 Wow, they're indexing the site everyday! 02:13:00 plenty of PICS... 02:13:04 Twice a day sometimes... 02:13:25 Grgpgmrpmgrh, it keeps making IE crash 02:14:54 oh fuck this: I loaded Mozilla, and that crashes too! 02:15:01 Not my Mac. :-) 02:15:37 aw, man... I'm not resetting again 02:16:10 even Opera goes 02:18:23 seems to h 02:18:26 grmgmrh 02:18:42 seems to affect web.archive.org, but not other sites 02:19:15 odd 02:19:16 I'm not having any problems 02:19:22 with web.arhive.org 02:19:52 I think it's my computer being silly 02:20:02 ugh... I'm going to have to reset, aren't I? 02:21:02 sbp has quit 02:26:13 sbp has joined #swhack 02:26:48 aha: http://web.archive.org/web/19980114055757/http://w3c1.inria.fr/RDF/ 02:27:59 Ah. 02:30:16 oh, you know that thing about MENU+CSS that Dan was talking about? 02:30:16 I can't wait until someone uses web.archive.org to uncover some example of gross corporate hypocrisy on somebody's fault (by showing some marketing material or something having changed 02:30:28 it used to be on his homepage: http://web.archive.org/web/19980114065913/http://w3c1.inria.fr/People/Connolly/ 02:31:35 Heh, that'd be funny, GabeW. 02:31:40 Like those Coca-Cola documents! 02:32:12 yeah! 02:32:15 someone at disinfo or mediafilter should do that 02:33:39 Those Coca-Cola documents were hilarious! Good thing lots of people archived them. 02:33:47 before they took them down. 02:34:44 it'd be funny if someone hacked microsoft (for example) and put up and old version of their site 02:35:14 Heh. 02:35:17 * GabeW is thinkin of examples where good companies were sold and then trashed 02:37:21 kewl - the wayback machine proves I actually had something to do with legalxml.org 02:37:23 http://web.archive.org/web/19990829055316/http://www.legalxml.org/index.html 02:38:13 I heard the W3C talking about letting Google do searching on their site for them 02:38:27 cool: Contact Gabe Wachob (gwachob@findlaw.com) for questions about the Law and XML web site 02:38:30 I just hope they forget to turn of Caching. 02:39:28 Hmm, Netscape 6.1 doesn't seem so bad... 02:39:50 it's just a rebadged Mozilla with googaws 02:40:03 I know, but they seem to have speeded it up or something. 02:40:08 get Mozilla 0.9.5, don't look back 02:40:11 Or they found a good build... 02:40:15 Pffff! I found it slower 02:40:29 Well the Mac OS X version is different, obviously. 02:40:31 Ns6.1 was pitifully slow on my old machine 02:40:35 ah, good point 02:40:40 NS6.1: same here 02:41:16 .google "Gabe Wachob" 02:41:17 "Gabe Wachob": http://myweb.ncal.verio.com/~gwachob 02:41:43 that's old 02:41:49 www.wachob.com 02:42:20 I mean, I wonder why Google shows that as the top? 02:42:51 your .com site is right at the bottom 02:42:54 Gabe knocks me out with !s: """Don't let the movie industry tramp on your rights!! Get the LiViD DVD code here and the linux munitions source tar (including LiViD) here!!!!""" 02:43:01 Yeah!!!! 02:43:19 Let's link to his new site for him: http://www.wachob.com 02:43:24 heh: You can find Gabe Wachob's home at 37.531537/-122.327376 02:43:33 I've gone thru my periods of frothing at the mouth 02:43:35 sbp, better make that a URI. 02:43:54 that's my old lat/lon 02:44:00 urn:geo:37.531537N:122.327376W 02:44:42 kewl, I'll be sure to put that in ;-) 02:45:19 it's an unregistered NID 02:45:29 * sbp gets reference... 02:46:00 http://lists.netsol.com/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0109&L=urn-ietf&D=1&T=0&O=D&F=&S=&P=340 02:46:27 oops, got yours wrong:- 02:46:34 urn:geo:37.531537N,122.327376W 02:47:49 What's really awesome about the web archive is if it doesn't have a page it goes and grabs it right then and there and serves it up! 02:48:08 :-) 02:48:15 Heh: 02:49:30 * sbp goes through #swhack archives 02:50:16 oh dear:- 02:50:17 [[[ 02:50:18 20:43:50 Where is it logging to? 02:50:18 20:44:03 http://blogspace.com/sean/chatlogs/ 02:50:23 ]]] - http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-07-25.txt 02:50:30 LOL, did I say that? 02:50:32 broken URI! 02:50:37 yeah 02:50:41 Oh, oops. 02:50:47 it was one of the first things in the logs 02:50:52 Yeah... true... 02:51:33 But too bad, it's not like anyone linked to it. 02:52:01 [[[ 02:52:02 23:00:52 But most *nixes come wiht Python. 02:52:03 23:01:03 *nixes? 02:52:03 23:01:10 Oh, you typed the 8 02:52:03 23:01:12 :-) 02:52:03 23:01:14 Unix, Linux, etc. 02:52:04

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