00:15:38 Gotta run 00:18:39 sbp has quit 00:26:38 GabeW has quit 00:54:36 * AaronSw reconnects 01:07:58 yup 01:08:11 yup yup yup 01:08:14 boy, i'm tired. 01:08:15 okedoke 01:10:20 where have you been all day? 01:11:03 dentist, and then dinner 01:11:09 have to drive all the way into the city :-( 01:11:31 sbp has joined #swhack 01:12:39 sbippy! 01:13:28 Morby! 01:16:32 hehehe. 01:22:11 sbp has quit 01:22:19 sbp has joined #swhack 01:22:37 Grpmgprmgh 01:25:07 shellac: "RDFAuthor (I felt inspired when naming it)" 01:25:24 Hmm, anyone have N3 export for Java? 01:26:03 Robb Beal: "Microsoft .NET My Services (aka Hailstorm) home page. Hey, where's the My Ass service?" 01:27:09 Cameron: "Is your desktop Win*, Unix, ...?" 01:27:09 Phil: "Formica, but it looks a little like wood... oak ?^)" 01:32:07 Pat Hayes: "Again we only need to be careful when we need to be." 01:32:16 That's like Donald Rhumsfeld's quote today... 01:32:17 lol 01:34:16 Hmmph, I can't find it... 01:35:23 When asked about progress with bin Ladin he said something like: "Progress? We can't make progress with him. Either bin Ladin is not commiting terrorism, or he's out there committing terrorism. There's no in between with this guy. Either you have him or you don't." 01:46:12 sbp, still can't get thru to http://onionnetworks.com/caw/caw.txt ? 01:46:50 ooh, it's working now 01:47:45 where's that simple OS rant thing gone to? 01:48:45 simple OS? 01:49:15 yeah, the guy who came up with that thing for a stripped down Mac OS X filing system type thingy 01:50:22 Oh, right... 01:53:13 http://www.winterspeak.com/columns/goodeasy.txt 01:54:10 aha 01:56:18 Morbus has quit 01:57:11 Morbus has joined #swhack 01:58:09 mwahaha 01:59:07 hhheheh 01:59:25 heh 02:02:21 * AaronSw disconnects 02:05:47 * AaronSw reconnects 02:07:30 deltab has quit 02:14:53 deltab has joined #swhack 02:23:17 Morbus has quit 02:25:28 Morbus has joined #swhack 02:26:51 sbp has quit 02:27:27 sbp has joined #swhack 02:27:33 hi there 02:28:02 hi lovely 02:28:35 hi sugar 02:29:49 oh, I'm sorry. Wrong room 02:29:51 heya sexy 02:29:51 :-) 02:31:02 Morbus has quit 02:32:12 Morbus has joined #swhack 02:32:20 wb, Morby 02:32:29 weeeeelcome back 02:32:56 flipping computer 02:33:06 no wonder it broke then, if that 02:33:13 that's what you were doing to it 02:33:19 damn ' key 02:33:38 heh 02:33:45 man, this java takes a long time to load 02:33:53 java? 02:34:02 on this site thing. taking forever. 02:34:07 either that, or its not doing nothing. 02:34:09 ah 02:34:09 sbp just loooves to pick on jaba 02:34:12 err Jaba 02:34:16 lol 02:34:16 err Java 02:34:16 yeah, i hate java too. 02:34:23 we all do! 02:34:26 leave the hut outta this ;) 02:34:34 well, Java's better than a lot of language 02:34:39 s/language/languages/ 02:34:43 but not Python 02:35:14 logster, grep s/ 02:35:19 I'm logging. I found 509 answers for 's/' (showing 0...4) 02:35:20 0) 2001-10-26 02:35:14 logster, grep s/ 02:35:21 1) 2001-10-26 02:34:39 s/language/languages/ 02:35:22 2) 2001-10-26 01:53:13 http://www.winterspeak.com/columns/goodeasy.txt 02:35:23 3) 2001-10-25 23:34:56 h. reminds me of http://www.mines.edu/students/b/bolmstea/randlang/ 02:35:24 4) 2001-10-25 23:34:01 www.skyhunter.com/marcs/ewalnut.html 02:35:51 er... fine 02:36:24 sbp, can you think of anything to add to http://plexdev.org/rdf ? 02:36:39 a picture of a duck 02:36:46 hmm 02:36:52 Ooh, new RDF logo... 02:37:26 a decent title? 02:37:36 heheh 02:37:53 weird... 02:38:34 new? 02:38:39 there's an even newer one? 02:38:49 newer than what? 02:39:58 the new ones 02:40:14 no, not newer than those 02:40:33 Morbus has quit 02:45:25 Morbus has joined #swhack 02:46:11 wb2 02:47:02 sbp, can I talk to you in #plex? 02:48:08 bwahahah. 02:48:20 icammaster tries to get crafty and makes a hidden file called sysUnd3 02:48:33 remove it and no more nag ;) 02:48:36 Heheh. 02:49:12 deltab has quit 02:49:17 and it looks like it adds disabled registrations to a hidden "disabled.txt" 02:49:24 but removing them and then trying to register doesnt work. 02:49:30 hmm 02:49:42 plex, sure... 02:50:35 aaah! i see. 02:50:37 hMmm. 02:50:40 thats funny 02:50:52 one of the disabled regisrations is the one sit... hmm. hold on. 02:51:57 deltab has joined #swhack 02:52:06 heheh 02:52:26 whoohoo! 02:52:26 deltab, wb again 02:54:05 wonder what happened./ 03:01:26 sniff. 03:03:09 aww 03:04:33 bah. 03:06:41 deltab has quit 03:08:01 i'm lonely. 03:08:10 we're here for you 03:08:18 would you make me some pie? 03:08:38 sure... 03:08:46 * AaronSw throws cream pie at Morbus' head 03:08:54 aargh mail loop 03:09:00 that's it... i'm off of this list 03:09:12 which one? 03:09:50 tclxml 03:10:31 deltab has joined #swhack 03:13:51 where's sean at? 03:14:01 sbp is right here... 03:14:04 sorta 03:18:40 man, earthcam sucks 03:18:54 earthcam? 03:19:00 earthcamtv.com 03:24:14 ooh. camwhores.com 03:24:19 lol 03:27:18 heh, heh, heh 03:39:30 mmkay. 03:39:37 i'm gonna flood the room with morbus propaghanda 03:39:47 uh oh 03:39:49 ;) 03:40:50 http://www.disobey.com/devilshat/ds990325.htm 03:42:15 http://www.disobey.com/devilshat/ds981105.htm 03:42:15 http://www.disobey.com/devilshat/ds981119.htm 03:43:24 yeah, that's enough for now. 03:43:31 those are the only ones really pushing the ideasl 03:44:32 the first one is one of the most interesting articles I've read for a long time; Kudos 03:45:26 well, thanks then :) 03:45:44 there's a lot of good stuff in devilshat. some of it needs rewriting becasue its years years old. 03:45:46 heh, the second one is just funny 03:45:50 wish i had time to keep it updated. 03:46:33 Morbus has left #swhack 03:46:36 Morbus has joined #swhack 03:46:42 stupid key command. 03:46:46 that window over there! not this one! 03:47:45 I find the second one less insightful than the first... sorry to say, I kinda disagree with the otherall theme 03:47:57 heh. 03:48:12 i gotta get outta here anyways... gf is coming home. 03:48:18 heh, heh: but it is pretty funny 03:48:21 O.K., c'ya 03:48:26 bye 03:48:38 hope it's not that 21 ... 30 days of the month 03:48:56 hehehe... no, no ;) 03:49:02 :-) 03:49:03 logster, grep @days_of_month 03:49:07 I'm logging. Sorry, nothing found for '@days_of_month' 03:49:07 well then, have fun 03:49:17 logster, grep days_of_month 03:49:20 I'm logging. I found 4 answers for 'days_of_month' 03:49:21 0) 2001-10-26 03:49:17 logster, grep days_of_month 03:49:22 1) 2001-10-26 03:49:07 I'm logging. Sorry, nothing found for '@days_of_month' 03:49:23 2) 2001-10-26 03:49:03 logster, grep @days_of_month 03:49:24 3) 2001-10-25 23:27:51 my $gf = [ caring kind lovely ] unless $days_of_month == 17 .. 23; 03:49:29 there we go. 03:49:32 ah, 17 - 23 03:49:44 * sbp marks it on the calendar 03:49:48 heheh. 03:49:56 to sympthasize with me when it comes around ;) 03:50:03 you never know what information's going to be useful in the future, eh Aaron? 03:50:10 Exactly! 03:50:10 yeah, that's a good idea! :-) 03:50:35 Morbus has quit 03:50:43 man, we're going to have to hide these logs if we get real jobs 03:51:06 Heheh. 03:51:11 Perhaps it's good they're not indexed. 03:52:55 Morbus' second article says an awful lot... I hope he doesn't mispercieve my comments too much 03:54:07 That's OK -- it's Morbus ;) 03:54:43 heh: Genius! 'Wear black all one week and ignore people who come up and ask if you're "going goth".' 03:54:51 from the third 03:54:52 - http://www.disobey.com/devilshat/ds981119.htm 03:55:48 "Doing things to intentionally piss people off for no reason is FUN." 03:55:52 - ibid. 04:01:40 Heheh, another Pentagon official today said they had eviscerated the Taliban military. 04:01:57 heh, heh, heh 04:02:05 yeah, I just read that bit too 04:03:11 it's funny, isn't it, how people kind of arrive at the bollocks of things in different ways, and express it in different ways, but that when they do, it's pretty fucking obvious 04:03:31 "the bollocks of things"? 04:03:49 yeah, the bollocks of things... er... how better can I put it? 04:04:55 "Vanity of vanities," says the preacher, "Vanity 04:04:56 of vanities! All is vanity." 04:06:09 - Ecclesiastes 1:2 [as if I needed to cite] 04:06:28 Oh, I think I see what you mean. 04:06:41 Insightful comments are obvious? 04:07:30 well, insightful comments that fit well into the scheme of things. Or not, as the case may be... you know what I mean 04:08:01 "the bollocks of things" - the latter 04:08:38 Heh heh heh: http://www.scripting.com/images/2001/10/25/billGatesWarOnTerror.jpg 04:14:34 heh! 04:19:44 GabeW has joined #swhack 04:26:28 GabeW, are you doing anything cool? 04:26:42 Everything I do is cool! 04:26:52 Ah, cool! 04:26:53 But seriously, I'm in a "learning" phase these days 04:27:01 Cool. 04:27:03 Trying to figure out a good business to build 04:27:12 That'd be cool. 04:27:25 We need some good businesses these days. 04:27:52 yeah, rdf/sw isn't part of the mix at this point, though... not sure where that would come in 04:28:26 did you read TimBL's SW business plan Design Issue thing? 04:28:34 hmm. is this new/ 04:28:35 ? 04:28:41 http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Business 04:29:12 Ugh, Morby's third article has conflicted me... shame he's not here to discuss it 04:29:24 hmm... what I'm thinking about *does* involve enterprise integration... 04:29:36 * sbp resolves to email him 04:29:40 Yes, it's very new... new today, I think. 04:31:03 yep, he announced it on RDF IG 04:31:26 ah 04:31:32 * GabeW goes off to find the announcement 04:31:44 on the list or the channel? 04:31:55 It's in rdfig.xmlhack.com 04:31:58 I think 04:32:18 ok, see it 04:34:49 yeah, tim's got an interesting idea, but I'm not sure that "making it all RDF" gets rid of the N^2 problem.. 04:35:53 I worked at a b2b marketplace companay 04:36:46 a complete failure (well, its public and still around, but still a waste) because integration (at least between enterprises) is not neccesarily scalable 04:37:48 yeah 04:38:31 though there was one company I looked at who was trying to do xml mapping via some semantic mapping step which I thought was interesting because it seemed like the only approach which wasn't totally bound for failure that I saw 04:39:15 Well I think that's the idea here. 04:39:58 yeah 04:40:30 it was some company that used ontology in their name ;-) 04:40:36 Aah! 04:40:47 I have up close and personal experience with the N^2 problem that Tim talks about 04:40:59 "Ontology.Org - Enabling Virtual Business" 04:41:11 .google ontology 04:41:11 ontology: http://www.ontology.org 04:41:16 See, that's a bad sign there. 04:41:18 no, it was actually a german company or something - 04:42:12 * GabeW is looking 04:42:16 Oh, Ontoplex? 04:42:20 Those crazy germans... 04:42:26 or was it ontomat 04:42:36 ontovroker 04:50:06 can't find it 04:50:40 hmm 04:52:32 hell, for all I know, they don't exist anymore anyway 04:58:12 Aaron: is the XNet thing a Wiki? 04:58:25 It's like tav's not-quite-finished-super-wiki 04:58:32 cool 04:59:22 Gotta run 04:59:25 sbp has quit 05:05:55 Register: "The Register clearly must read up on winning friends and influentialising people." 05:05:59 - http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/22456.html 05:06:04 Heh heh. 05:58:18 GabeW has quit 06:40:03 tav`` has quit 06:44:45 tav`` has joined #swhack 13:09:57 Morbus has joined #swhack 13:28:09 hello 13:28:56 hey. 13:29:45 Blargh, I feel sick... 13:29:46 gotta run 13:29:50 :( 13:29:55 * AaronSw disconnects 13:30:59 * AaronSw reconnects 13:32:12 well I have a little time... 13:32:39 why are you sick? 13:33:04 dunno... must have caught a cold 13:33:28 i hate feeling tummy sick. everything else is workable. 13:34:22 must be all this working in boxers ;/ 13:34:28 ok, really have to run... 13:34:31 * AaronSw disconnects 13:43:30 Morbus has left #swhack 14:02:02 * AaronSw reconnects 14:32:44 * AaronSw disconnects 14:37:50 Morbus has joined #swhack 14:56:55 * Morbus yawns. 15:05:45 sbp has joined #swhack 15:11:19 sbp has quit 16:28:50 Morbus has left #swhack 16:49:42 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. It's worth noting that, schedules permitting, we'll be attempting to cut over to the new code on Saturday. (all times OPN standard, UTC) 17:44:44 Morbus has joined #swhack 17:46:17 sbp has joined #swhack 17:46:45 Woo, they just showed "The Cartridge Family" for the first time (that I know of) on British T.V. 17:47:11 Good episode, plot kinda made sense, very funny, Homer was funny, many quotable notables 17:47:25 And I saw the fish thing! 17:47:41 Yeah, baby 17:47:43 Gotta run 17:48:46 * AaronSw reconnects 17:51:21 sbp has quit 17:56:22 Clay Shirky: "But I have a Visa card, and he has a Visa sign in his door. Visa knows him, and will pimpslap him upside his silly little head if he runs up extra charges on my card. Visa know me, and has a staff of trained knuckledraggers who will nail my head to the floor if I fail to pay up." 18:04:23 .google test 18:04:23 test: http://www.toefl.org 18:04:37 * AaronSw disconnects 18:04:47 * AaronSw reconnects 18:06:11 logster, on 18:06:26 logster, off. 18:06:40 Heh heh. 18:07:07 * AaronSw thinks "At least Morbus doesn't know the secret logster commands..." 18:10:45 .google logster source code 18:10:45 logster source code: http://www.ticalc.org/archives/files/cd/rel2.5.html 18:11:00 mwahaha 18:11:02 404! stupid bod. 18:11:03 18:11:05 bot, rather 18:11:33 * logster is already logging 18:11:47 * logster is already logging 18:12:38 logster is perl?! 18:13:20 What makes you think that? 18:13:38 your archives give a link to the logster cvs 18:13:51 Shoot! 18:13:52 hehehe 18:15:31 logster, excuse us 18:15:32 I'm logging. I don't understand 'excuse us', Morbus. Try /msg logster help 18:15:37 hehe.h 18:15:38 this is fun. 18:15:50 logger, please remove Morbus from the premises 18:15:58 logster, please remove Morbus from the premises 18:15:58 I'm logging. I don't understand 'please remove Morbus from the premises', AaronSw. Try /msg logster help 18:15:59 logster, belay that order! 18:15:59 I'm logging. I don't understand 'belay that order!', Morbus. Try /msg logster help 18:16:10 logster, debug 18:16:10 I'm logging. I don't understand 'debug', Morbus. Try /msg logster help 18:16:31 logster, password debug 18:16:33 heh. 18:16:47 logster, aaronissexy debug 18:16:47 I'm logging. I don't understand 'aaronissexy debug', Morbus. Try /msg logster help 18:16:55 pah 18:16:57 logster password aaronissexy debug 18:17:06 odd. 18:17:10 no response on that one 18:17:25 no comma 18:17:29 ah. 18:17:34 logster, password aaronissexy debug 18:18:03 logster, shut up 18:19:59 logster needs a "puppeteer" mode 18:20:34 Ooh, MSN.net for OS X: http://static.userland.com/images/GreatEnergy/noprivacy.jpg 18:22:54 Wow, some MS guy got real pissed off because someone called his company 'M$'. 18:36:58 Morbus has left #swhack 19:01:41 Morbus has joined #swhack 19:03:32 sbp has joined #swhack 19:03:36 hi sbp 19:04:51 Hi there 19:05:24 Is this right: For 128 bits of randomness I need a number between 1 and 2^128? 19:05:52 how ya feeling aaron? 19:05:53 er... 19:06:01 Better, thanks. 19:06:11 I need more heat in here... 19:06:20 you want me to turn on my charm? 19:06:23 if a bit is a binary 0-1 thing, then yeah, it's 2^128 19:06:26 Heh heh heh. 19:06:32 i be like "hey baby" and i'll woo you and shit. 19:06:39 lol 19:12:04 heh: domainOf 19:12:12 in http://kb.alpiri.com/cgi-bin/kb.pl?node=MusicAlbum&syn=1 19:17:36 I just created an awesome Random Number Generator: s = 0; for i in range(20): s *= time.time() 19:17:36 lol 19:18:02 heh. 19:18:45 I was like, why does it always return 0. heh heh heh 19:19:01 oOOoh yeah 19:20:37 what hte hell. 19:20:40 my stupid cron entries. 19:20:49 what's wrong with 0-59/15 for a minute entry? 19:21:22 i dunno 19:21:40 yeah, neither do i. i did 0-59/5 on another one, and it works great. 19:22:07 lol @ return to 0 19:40:41 Morbus has left #swhack 20:07:03 Interesting: http://monkeyfist.com/articles/789 20:10:11 Suffering from email overload, here's one answer: http://popularmechanics.com/science/military/2001/9/e-bomb/print.phtml 20:11:06 s/,/?/ 20:11:44 Zooko: "Autumn is a sensual season." 20:11:44 Aaron: 'tis true. 20:12:14