00:20:48 atariboy has quit 00:38:33 rillian has quit 00:51:15 sbp has joined #swhack 01:38:20 Got Plex? 01:38:30 AaronSw has changed the topic to: Attack of the Plex 01:39:32 sbp has changed the topic to: Attack of the filler Plex 01:47:28 sbp has quit 01:53:30 sbp has joined #swhack 02:06:20 rillian has joined #swhack 02:30:37 BenSw has quit 02:32:29 so, how can one help with "Plex" then, in three easy steps? 02:32:42 BenSw has joined #swhack 02:32:51 wb Ben 02:32:59 I'm puting some out right now in #plex, sbp 02:33:28 cool 02:45:23 :( 02:45:24 :( 02:45:25 :( 02:45:25 :( 02:45:25 :( 02:45:26 :( 02:45:27 :( 02:45:28 :( 02:45:30 :( 02:45:32 hey, stop flooding 02:45:34 :( 02:45:36 :( 02:45:38 :( 02:45:40 :( 02:45:42 :( 02:45:44 :( 02:45:46 :( 02:45:48 :( 02:45:50 :( 02:45:52 :( 02:45:54 :( 02:45:56 :( 02:45:57 Disconnected from AaronSw!aaronsw@mewtwo.espnow.com (#swhack) 02:46:06 logster has joined #swhack 02:46:06 topic is: Attack of the filler Plex 02:46:06 Users on #swhack: logster rillian @sbp tav`` tav deltab @AaronSw xena 02:46:13 BenSw has joined #swhack 02:46:45 BenSw has quit 02:47:37 BenSw has joined #swhack 02:49:18 heh, heh, heh 02:50:39 Morbus has joined #swhack 02:51:03 wb morbus 02:51:13 thanks ben. 02:53:01 Morbus has quit 03:02:07 rillian has quit 03:41:56 logster, grep latter 03:42:00 I'm logging. I found 9 answers for 'latter' (showing 0...4) 03:42:01 0) 2001-10-25 03:41:56 logster, grep latter 03:42:02 1) 2001-10-15 03:37:30 the latter reads: the person who is beplagued by this afflication is confused 03:42:03 2) 2001-10-14 00:39:26 so the latter is almost certainly the recommended val... now if only it'd append the new Content-Type header, eh? 03:42:04 3) 2001-10-12 03:09:16 the latter stumbled across a player that does the later today? 03:42:05 4) 2001-10-12 03:08:59 ^the latter 03:44:51 Okaaaay. 03:51:21 logster, grep override 03:51:24 I'm logging. I found 2 answers for 'override' 03:51:25 0) 2001-10-25 03:51:21 logster, grep override 03:51:26 1) 2001-07-29 15:16:30 override it. 03:51:45 logster, grep vocabulary 03:51:48 I'm logging. I found 9 answers for 'vocabulary' (showing 0...4) 03:51:49 0) 2001-10-25 03:51:45 logster, grep vocabulary 03:51:50 1) 2001-10-22 02:54:12 2001-09-21.txt-01:06:00 * sbp feels his vocabulary growing day by day 03:51:51 2) 2001-10-19 22:18:46 It may turn out that we add some terms in the EARL 1.0 vocabulary to offer 03:51:52 3) 2001-09-28 21:48:14 The OCS RDF vocabulary was at http://alchemy.openjava.org/ 03:51:53 4) 2001-09-21 01:06:00 * sbp feels his vocabulary growing day by day 03:52:06 heh, heh 03:52:39 sbp has changed the topic to: Plex is back! And this time, it's not called something else 03:53:50 aaaaaargh, double mustachioed tav? tav`` 03:54:02 where did the extra one come from? 03:54:31 they're multiplying... 04:03:07 BenSw has quit 04:04:13 but I'm still over in here 04:04:20 Ooh. 04:04:26 Neat trick. 04:04:28 well, I'd better be off from here too :-) 04:04:32 Awww. 04:04:36 Well, c'ya 04:04:41 c'ya 04:04:53 To the Plex! 04:04:54 BenSw has joined #swhack 04:04:59 woo, Plex! 04:05:05 c'ya 04:05:07 sbp has quit 04:05:08 bye 04:12:41 Brian McBride: "I would agree that having two size properties doesn't change the meaning in this case, but if I'm paying extra money to store or process them, then it matters to me." 04:12:41 Pat Hayes: "Hey, go work for Microsoft." 04:12:41 LOL 04:17:31 .time cst 04:17:31 Oct. 24, 2001 11:19 pm US/Central 05:23:22 I'm dying from suffocation by email. 08:09:42 BenSw has quit 08:09:55 BenSw has joined #swhack 13:44:49 sbp has joined #swhack 13:51:28 sbp has quit 13:56:33 BenSw has quit 14:13:45 * AaronSw disconnects 14:19:53 * AaronSw reconnects 14:20:48 Grr, stupid power outtages! 14:50:05 sbp has joined #swhack 14:50:30 I've cleaned up ntriples.serialize(), and sent it to you, CC www-archive 14:50:45 Oh, thanks. 14:50:50 np 14:51:02 code from the sky! :-) 14:51:06 :-) 14:51:09 Gotta run 14:51:25 * AaronSw disconnects 14:51:36 * AaronSw reconnects 14:54:03 .google ping 14:54:04 ping: http://www.topping.com.ua 14:54:09 sbp has quit 14:54:12 I'll take that as a pong. :) 16:12:56 oierw` has joined #swhack 16:41:06 sbp has joined #swhack 16:41:10 GabeW has joined #swhack 16:41:17 hi there. 16:41:19 hi 16:41:24 Hi 16:41:34 Thanks for subscribing me to Plex 16:41:47 No prob. 16:41:56 Gabe: got your message about LegalXML 16:42:11 just going through it 16:42:15 Gabe has discovered the secret channel! 16:42:29 heh, heh 16:42:32 * GabeW knows how to use whois 16:42:46 actually, tav and I just follow each other around 16:43:09 any further pointers to the stuff you mentioned? actually, if you could send them to the list, that'd be cool 16:43:23 ok, let me go find them - the dictionary wg is just congealing 16:43:40 how big is the swagdev list? 16:43:51 about 80 members? 16:44:22 GabeW! 16:44:22 ah, 97 16:44:23 ehm 16:45:39 grr, mail client is broken... 16:45:50 http://home.snafu.de/mmuller/lexmlde/rdf.htm 16:46:29 heh, distribution of SWAG-Dev emails per month:- 16:46:30 2001: 606 132 49 119 53 15 2 9 1 12 16:46:55 oh wow, they really want to make a dictionary? 16:47:05 oierw` has quit 16:47:09 lol 16:47:22 that's actually the german effort 16:47:33 its aligned with the english one I've been involved with 16:47:45 http://www.legalxml.org/Dictionary/ 16:48:00 but I don't tink the english-language one has any web resources up 16:48:33 the email list archives are "private" in the sense that you have to agree to the membership rules of legalxml before you can see them (damint) 16:49:42 I've just asked to subcribe to the list... 16:49:49 kewl 16:50:07 when you get on, be sure to introduce yourself 16:50:58 hey AaronSw - how do you tell chanserv to set a channel +private? I thought I did that? 16:51:26 You have to set the channel mode, like that. 16:51:36 and then /msg chanserv set #wo mlock on 16:51:40 ah! 16:51:49 you might have to set mlock off ifrst 16:51:51 err first 16:52:10 introduce myself: wil do 16:52:14 s/wil/will/ 16:52:17 hmm 16:52:37 I do /msg chanserv set #wo mlock on and chanserv says Mode lock on channel #wo removed 16:53:31 heheh 16:58:26 GabeW: you have to set mlock +nt or likewise afaik 17:02:47 ah 17:14:18 yo, Aaron, why's webns.net so damn slow? 17:14:35 because you haven't paid for my oc48 yet 17:15:16 ah, I knew it'd be my fault somehow :-) 17:15:29 is it running on your home dsl or something? 17:15:35 No, on a T1 17:15:37 in NY 17:15:47 1:15pm up 141 days, 20:35, 16 users, load average: 0.32, 1.13, 1.52 17:15:53 is the machine or the connection a problem? 17:16:05 Beats me... both seem fine 17:16:14 I think there are some other people in the office hogging the t1 17:16:17 *ahem* 17:16:25 at times 17:17:29 Aaron, go into #beepnik and start ranting about RSS! 17:20:31 aw, Libby beat me to it 17:20:39 what? 17:20:59 to 1000 17:21:46 where? 17:22:26 ... 17:22:26 IOError: [Errno socket error] (111, 'Connection refused') 17:22:31 * AaronSw kicks xena 17:24:22 swag-dev 17:24:29 Yeah, just saw... 17:24:33 Libby's getting cash? 17:24:57 dunno. The 1000 did not refer to cash, it refered to amount of emails 17:24:59 We should have done that. 17:25:11 I know _that_ 17:25:17 She says she put in a bid for cash. 17:25:30 and I know that 17:25:33 you guys want to try to get a grant or something? 17:25:54 ah, to whom do we ask, "gimme some money!" though? 17:25:54 I wouldn't mind. :-) 17:25:59 DARPA! 17:26:04 heh, heh 17:26:04 They fund all sorts of crazy things. 17:26:30 I'd help with any writing you need to do to get funding.... 17:26:45 oooh 17:26:50 Then the question becomes what do we fund... 17:26:57 tav, you should get a grant! 17:26:57 do we really need funding? yeah, what Aaron said 17:27:03 We could fund the plex that way. 17:27:06 GabeW: irc.espnow.com / #plex 17:27:16 If we could sort out SWAG as a serious deeley, perhaps so 17:27:24 perhaps SWAG/Plex should interact a bit, too 17:29:09 Seriously tho, tav, ESP would probably do better with grant funding then trying to sell stuff. 17:32:59 sbp has quit 17:33:13 sbp has joined #swhack 17:50:07 * sbp wonders if we need to kick tav`` 17:50:36 hmz 17:50:42 let's not fuck around with ops please 17:51:06 i have enough of a nightmare with galt 17:51:09 tav is afraid I'll come back a lot if I am given ops 17:51:12 galt? 17:51:17 heh, heh, hh 17:51:18 hehe, GabeW knows galt 17:51:22 s/hh/heh/ 17:51:23 or rather, knows of galt 17:51:29 What's the story? 17:51:36 yeah, it's contagious ;) 17:51:38 GabeW ;p 17:51:40 what's the problem with that? 17:51:48 AaronSw: this is OPN, not efnet 17:51:52 woo, opwars! 17:51:56 heheh 17:51:58 OPN, we don't need ops 17:52:09 take that, xena! 17:52:16 as long as anyone can change the topic 17:52:16 aw, man 17:52:19 shoot 17:52:35 sbp has changed the topic to: You are not allowed to change this topic 17:52:49 what i do hate however, is the system like in #iA 17:52:53 GabeW has changed the topic to: I rule! 17:52:54 where a select few are opped 17:52:54 AaronSw has changed the topic to: You are not allowed to change this topic. 17:53:01 That does suck. 17:53:09 no-one should be opped 17:53:12 I like that 17:53:26 oierw` has joined #swhack 17:53:35 I op because I register channels, but I suppose I could always deo[p 17:53:42 Gotta run 17:53:45 in #zope, i op people as a sign of people who are competent 17:53:46 sbp has quit 17:53:57 tav controls Zope too? 17:54:04 ehm, yea 17:54:13 tav, you could voice them instead 17:54:16 i founded it a long long time ago 17:54:23 tav and I share a lot of interests ;-) 17:54:23 voicing is sort of the preferred way 17:56:34 GabeW: that we do 17:56:46 GabeW and tav are everywhere it seems 17:57:26 GabeW has quit 18:00:57 GabeW has joined #swhack 18:02:42 hmz 18:02:46 do we need this channel? 18:03:01 i see conversation being split across #plex / here 18:03:42 heh 18:03:43 I don't. 18:04:13 at least its not spilling over to #beepink 18:04:18 ;-) 18:04:52 lol 18:04:56 this is the channel where offtopic is ontopic 18:05:10 s/offtopic/offtopic stuff/ 18:05:15 fair enough 18:05:30 AaronSw has changed the topic to: The channel where the off-topic is the topic. 18:08:35 so here goes an off topic questoin 18:08:52 is it really much faster processing s-exps than xml? 18:11:06 Hmm... 18:11:13 .google benchmark s-expression xml 18:11:14 benchmark s-expression xml: http://www.designer-info.com/Writing/automating_scripts.htm 18:11:19 It's certainly easier to parse 18:11:25 and i'd bet it's faster. 18:12:04 But speed isn't the reason they're generally recommened, I don't think. 18:12:13 ah 18:12:21 I mean, its LISPyh 18:12:26 yep 18:12:33 Which is nice for processing 18:12:47 if you use lisp ;) 18:12:50 I mean, I can probalby write a parser in colorForth (http://www.colorforth.com) 18:13:49 MojoNation says: This is a human-readable, 8-bit-clean, structured format which is simple and efficient to produce and to parse. It is therefore nearly as efficient in time and space as customized binary encodings or ASN.1, while being as flexible, and nearly as human-readable, as XML. 18:13:55 - http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/~checkout~/mojonation/evil/hackerdocs/EGTP.html 18:14:13 yeah 18:14:35 that's kewl - asn.1 size with (well, almost) xml readability 18:14:44 I'd say they're easier to read. 18:15:00 they're certainly easier to type 18:15:25 type: yes... I was looking at SDSI/SPKI and I thought it was a lot easier to parse there than an XML representation would have been 18:15:33 any work on a RDF serialization into s-exps? 18:15:59 Hmm... well you can write it as KIF 18:16:06 which is s-expressions, but that gets quickly messy. 18:16:27 We use N-Triples, which is close to s-exps 18:16:31 right - I like those 18:16:37 All you'd have to do is replace the periods with ()s 18:16:49 really? so why don't you? 18:17:07 Because there are more RDF N3 parsers than RDF s-exp parsers. ;-) 18:17:23 hehe 18:17:46 N-Triples is probably easier to parse than generalized s-exps actually 18:18:02 sbp did it in like 1 (or maybe two) regexps 18:18:08 I can belive that 18:18:27 interesting to hear the jxta discussions over in rdfig 18:20:12 When? 18:21:13 right just previous - just really a mention of jxta pipes 18:30:20 .tv now 18:30:29 hmm 19:12:00 sbp has joined #swhack 19:21:05 * AaronSw disconnects 19:21:15 * AaronSw reconnects 19:22:50 blargh 19:23:20 heh, heh 19:28:12 sbp has quit 19:43:25 * AaronSw disconnects 19:58:31 sbp has joined #swhack 20:54:26 Morbus has joined #swhack 20:55:53 sbp has quit 20:59:43 * Morbus yawns... 21:29:43 LOL... 21:29:44 aaron, you around? 21:37:05 Morbus has left #swhack 22:04:27 sbp has joined #swhack 22:05:54 sbp has quit 22:05:59 sbp has joined #swhack 22:09:06 Morbus has joined #swhack 22:09:44 Hi Morby 22:10:14 hey there. new homesite's out. 22:11:23 great! disobey.com? 22:14:43 where's aaron at? 22:16:51 no idea 22:22:15 http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Formats 22:22:20 http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/MatrixURIs 22:22:25 http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/LinkLaw 22:22:34 http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Anonymous 22:22:40 http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/ModelConsequences 22:22:46 http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/XML-Semantics 22:22:52 http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Filtering 22:23:24 closest I know of for an "aggregated collection" is my son's site. [2] 22:24:50 accidental paste] 22:25:01 * sbp should sort his keys out 22:28:12 Gotta run 22:31:26 sbp has quit 22:34:10 Morbus: tired. very tire.d 22:34:10 Mishka: how come ? 22:34:10 Morbus: syncasaurus consumes my every passion. i've made love three times to a barney doll. i'm cracking up i tell ya 23:03:52 sbp has joined #swhack 23:12:14 * sbp wonders where Aaron is 23:14:22 i dunno. i miss my boy. 23:14:38 hey is > greater than? i always get them mixed up. 23:14:56 yes, it's gt 23:20:52 lilo is trying to figure out why dbmopen() and dbmclose() aren't doing anything 23:20:52 thrig: "it's a feature" 23:20:52 lilo: I'm using perl 5.005 or so 23:20:52 Morbus: because dbmzipperstuck() 23:21:13 heh, heh, heh 23:21:45 if not dbmzipperstuck(): open dbmzipper() 23:22:00 unless exists $mother 23:22:00 else: get wd40() 23:22:05 heh, heh, heh 23:22:08 :) 23:22:37 * sbp uses a mock Python syntax there 23:22:47 s/uses/used/ 23:27:31 i was on the toilet and thought of a good one: 23:27:51 my $gf = [ caring kind lovely ] unless $days_of_month == 17 .. 23; 23:28:03 lol! 23:28:07 :) 23:28:41 we should make a "facts of live" in code thing 23:29:20 ooh, how about a "facts of life" thing too? 23:29:44 Oh, i suppose. 23:30:23 pub().status == open unless person().requirement == beer; 23:31:06 bwahahaha. 23:31:13 that'd be Perl 6 code, right? 23:31:36 more ambiguous that natural English? Yeah, I guess so 23:31:41 heh. yeah, that would work under perl 6 ... although i think you can leave out the ()/. 23:32:09 i've always wanted an after{ } sort of block. 23:32:31 like after { $binge_drinking; } do { mass_amounts_of_cocaine; } 23:32:52 Morbus: E (the capabilities one) has something like that 23:33:08 not sure i follow you - E? 23:34:01 www.skyhunter.com/marcs/ewalnut.html 23:34:43 heh, good opening: "Java, Perl, Python, C++, TCL, and on and on. Don't we have enough languages already? How could we justify bringing yet another programming language into the world?" 23:34:56 h. reminds me of http://www.mines.edu/students/b/bolmstea/randlang/ 23:35:08 they should have followed it with, "well... we're just sorry. Very sorry. Is that O.K.?" 23:35:42 "at least we didn't call it CFlat". 23:36:14 Heh, "CFlat" 23:36:35 what's the symbol for a flatnote, anyways? 23:38:46 b 23:38:55 Cb? heh 23:39:25 "the note that the chromatic scale forgot" 23:39:43 "cos think about it, would you want a flat chested language?" 23:40:00