IRC log of swhack on 2001-10-25

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Got Plex?
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AaronSw has changed the topic to: Attack of the Plex
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sbp has changed the topic to: Attack of the filler Plex
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so, how can one help with "Plex" then, in three easy steps?
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wb Ben
02:32:59 [AaronSw]
I'm puting some out right now in #plex, sbp
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cool
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hey, stop flooding
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02:46:06 [carter.openprojects.net]
topic is: Attack of the filler Plex
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Users on #swhack: logster rillian @sbp tav`` tav deltab @AaronSw xena
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02:49:18 [sbp]
heh, heh, heh
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wb morbus
02:51:13 [Morbus]
thanks ben.
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logster, grep latter
03:42:00 [logster]
I'm logging. I found 9 answers for 'latter' (showing 0...4)
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0) 2001-10-25 03:41:56 <sbp> logster, grep latter
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1) 2001-10-15 03:37:30 <sbp> the latter reads: the person who is beplagued by this afflication is confused
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2) 2001-10-14 00:39:26 <sbp> so the latter is almost certainly the recommended val... now if only it'd append the new Content-Type header, eh?
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3) 2001-10-12 03:09:16 <sbp> the latter stumbled across a player that does the later today?
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4) 2001-10-12 03:08:59 <deltab> ^the latter
03:44:51 [AaronSw]
Okaaaay.
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logster, grep override
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I'm logging. I found 2 answers for 'override'
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0) 2001-10-25 03:51:21 <sbp> logster, grep override
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1) 2001-07-29 15:16:30 <sbp> override it.
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logster, grep vocabulary
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I'm logging. I found 9 answers for 'vocabulary' (showing 0...4)
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0) 2001-10-25 03:51:45 <sbp> logster, grep vocabulary
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1) 2001-10-22 02:54:12 <sbp> 2001-09-21.txt-01:06:00 <sbp> * sbp feels his vocabulary growing day by day
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2) 2001-10-19 22:18:46 <sbp> It may turn out that we add some terms in the EARL 1.0 vocabulary to offer
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3) 2001-09-28 21:48:14 <AaronSw> The OCS RDF vocabulary was at http://alchemy.openjava.org/
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4) 2001-09-21 01:06:00 <sbp> * sbp feels his vocabulary growing day by day
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heh, heh
03:52:39 [sbp]
sbp has changed the topic to: Plex is back! And this time, it's not called something else
03:53:50 [sbp]
aaaaaargh, double mustachioed tav? tav``
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where did the extra one come from?
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they're multiplying...
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but I'm still over in here
04:04:20 [AaronSw]
Ooh.
04:04:26 [AaronSw]
Neat trick.
04:04:28 [sbp]
well, I'd better be off from here too :-)
04:04:32 [AaronSw]
Awww.
04:04:36 [AaronSw]
Well, c'ya
04:04:41 [sbp]
c'ya
04:04:53 [AaronSw]
To the Plex!
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woo, Plex!
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c'ya
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bye
04:12:41 [AaronSw]
Brian McBride: "I would agree that having two size properties doesn't change the meaning in this case, but if I'm paying extra money to store or process them, then it matters to me."
04:12:41 [AaronSw]
Pat Hayes: "Hey, go work for Microsoft."
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LOL
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.time cst
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Oct. 24, 2001 11:19 pm US/Central
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I'm dying from suffocation by email.
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Grr, stupid power outtages!
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I've cleaned up ntriples.serialize(), and sent it to you, CC www-archive
14:50:45 [AaronSw]
Oh, thanks.
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np
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code from the sky! :-)
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:-)
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Gotta run
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.google ping
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ping: http://www.topping.com.ua
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14:54:12 [AaronSw]
I'll take that as a pong. :)
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16:41:17 [AaronSw]
hi there.
16:41:19 [GabeW]
hi
16:41:24 [sbp]
Hi
16:41:34 [sbp]
Thanks for subscribing me to Plex
16:41:47 [AaronSw]
No prob.
16:41:56 [sbp]
Gabe: got your message about LegalXML
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just going through it
16:42:15 [AaronSw]
Gabe has discovered the secret channel!
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heh, heh
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* GabeW knows how to use whois
16:42:46 [GabeW]
actually, tav and I just follow each other around
16:43:09 [sbp]
any further pointers to the stuff you mentioned? actually, if you could send them to the list, that'd be cool
16:43:23 [GabeW]
ok, let me go find them - the dictionary wg is just congealing
16:43:40 [GabeW]
how big is the swagdev list?
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about 80 members?
16:44:22 [tav]
GabeW!
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ah, 97
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ehm
16:45:39 [AaronSw]
grr, mail client is broken...
16:45:50 [GabeW]
http://home.snafu.de/mmuller/lexmlde/rdf.htm
16:46:29 [sbp]
heh, distribution of SWAG-Dev emails per month:-
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2001: 606 132 49 119 53 15 2 9 1 12
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oh wow, they really want to make a dictionary?
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16:47:09 [AaronSw]
lol
16:47:22 [GabeW]
that's actually the german effort
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its aligned with the english one I've been involved with
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http://www.legalxml.org/Dictionary/
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but I don't tink the english-language one has any web resources up
16:48:33 [GabeW]
the email list archives are "private" in the sense that you have to agree to the membership rules of legalxml before you can see them (damint)
16:49:42 [sbp]
I've just asked to subcribe to the list...
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kewl
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when you get on, be sure to introduce yourself
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hey AaronSw - how do you tell chanserv to set a channel +private? I thought I did that?
16:51:26 [AaronSw]
You have to set the channel mode, like that.
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and then /msg chanserv set #wo mlock on
16:51:40 [GabeW]
ah!
16:51:49 [AaronSw]
you might have to set mlock off ifrst
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err first
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introduce myself: wil do
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s/wil/will/
16:52:17 [GabeW]
hmm
16:52:37 [GabeW]
I do /msg chanserv set #wo mlock on and chanserv says Mode lock on channel #wo removed
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heheh
16:58:26 [tav]
GabeW: you have to set mlock +nt or likewise afaik
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ah
17:14:18 [sbp]
yo, Aaron, why's webns.net so damn slow?
17:14:35 [AaronSw]
because you haven't paid for my oc48 yet
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ah, I knew it'd be my fault somehow :-)
17:15:29 [GabeW]
is it running on your home dsl or something?
17:15:35 [AaronSw]
No, on a T1
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in NY
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1:15pm up 141 days, 20:35, 16 users, load average: 0.32, 1.13, 1.52
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is the machine or the connection a problem?
17:16:05 [AaronSw]
Beats me... both seem fine
17:16:14 [AaronSw]
I think there are some other people in the office hogging the t1
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*ahem*
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at times
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Aaron, go into #beepnik and start ranting about RSS!
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aw, Libby beat me to it
17:20:39 [AaronSw]
what?
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to 1000
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where?
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...
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IOError: [Errno socket error] (111, 'Connection refused')
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* AaronSw kicks xena
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swag-dev
17:24:29 [AaronSw]
Yeah, just saw...
17:24:33 [AaronSw]
Libby's getting cash?
17:24:57 [sbp]
dunno. The 1000 did not refer to cash, it refered to amount of emails
17:24:59 [AaronSw]
We should have done that.
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I know _that_
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She says she put in a bid for cash.
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and I know that
17:25:33 [GabeW]
you guys want to try to get a grant or something?
17:25:54 [sbp]
ah, to whom do we ask, "gimme some money!" though?
17:25:54 [AaronSw]
I wouldn't mind. :-)
17:25:59 [AaronSw]
DARPA!
17:26:04 [sbp]
heh, heh
17:26:04 [AaronSw]
They fund all sorts of crazy things.
17:26:30 [GabeW]
I'd help with any writing you need to do to get funding....
17:26:45 [tav]
oooh
17:26:50 [AaronSw]
Then the question becomes what do we fund...
17:26:57 [AaronSw]
tav, you should get a grant!
17:26:57 [sbp]
do we really need funding? yeah, what Aaron said
17:27:03 [AaronSw]
We could fund the plex that way.
17:27:06 [tav]
GabeW: irc.espnow.com / #plex
17:27:16 [sbp]
If we could sort out SWAG as a serious deeley, perhaps so
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perhaps SWAG/Plex should interact a bit, too
17:29:09 [AaronSw]
Seriously tho, tav, ESP would probably do better with grant funding then trying to sell stuff.
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* sbp wonders if we need to kick tav``
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hmz
17:50:42 [tav]
let's not fuck around with ops please
17:51:06 [tav]
i have enough of a nightmare with galt
17:51:09 [GabeW]
tav is afraid I'll come back a lot if I am given ops
17:51:12 [sbp]
galt?
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heh, heh, hh
17:51:18 [GabeW]
hehe, GabeW knows galt
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s/hh/heh/
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or rather, knows of galt
17:51:29 [AaronSw]
What's the story?
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yeah, it's contagious ;)
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GabeW ;p
17:51:40 [AaronSw]
what's the problem with that?
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AaronSw: this is OPN, not efnet
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woo, opwars!
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heheh
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OPN, we don't need ops
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take that, xena!
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as long as anyone can change the topic
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aw, man
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shoot
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sbp has changed the topic to: You are not allowed to change this topic
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what i do hate however, is the system like in #iA
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GabeW has changed the topic to: I rule!
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where a select few are opped
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AaronSw has changed the topic to: You are not allowed to change this topic.
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That does suck.
17:53:09 [tav]
no-one should be opped
17:53:12 [GabeW]
I like that
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I op because I register channels, but I suppose I could always deo[p
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Gotta run
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in #zope, i op people as a sign of people who are competent
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tav controls Zope too?
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ehm, yea
17:54:13 [AaronSw]
tav, you could voice them instead
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i founded it a long long time ago
17:54:23 [GabeW]
tav and I share a lot of interests ;-)
17:54:23 [AaronSw]
voicing is sort of the preferred way
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GabeW: that we do
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GabeW and tav are everywhere it seems
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hmz
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do we need this channel?
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i see conversation being split across #plex / here
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heh
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I don't.
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at least its not spilling over to #beepink
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;-)
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lol
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this is the channel where offtopic is ontopic
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s/offtopic/offtopic stuff/
18:05:15 [tav]
fair enough
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AaronSw has changed the topic to: The channel where the off-topic is the topic.
18:08:35 [GabeW]
so here goes an off topic questoin
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is it really much faster processing s-exps than xml?
18:11:06 [AaronSw]
Hmm...
18:11:13 [AaronSw]
.google benchmark s-expression xml
18:11:14 [xena]
benchmark s-expression xml: http://www.designer-info.com/Writing/automating_scripts.htm
18:11:19 [AaronSw]
It's certainly easier to parse
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and i'd bet it's faster.
18:12:04 [AaronSw]
But speed isn't the reason they're generally recommened, I don't think.
18:12:13 [GabeW]
ah
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I mean, its LISPyh
18:12:26 [AaronSw]
yep
18:12:33 [GabeW]
Which is nice for processing
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if you use lisp ;)
18:12:50 [GabeW]
I mean, I can probalby write a parser in colorForth (http://www.colorforth.com)
18:13:49 [AaronSw]
MojoNation says: This is a human-readable, 8-bit-clean, structured format which is simple and efficient to produce and to parse. It is therefore nearly as efficient in time and space as customized binary encodings or ASN.1, while being as flexible, and nearly as human-readable, as XML.
18:13:55 [AaronSw]
- http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/~checkout~/mojonation/evil/hackerdocs/EGTP.html
18:14:13 [GabeW]
yeah
18:14:35 [GabeW]
that's kewl - asn.1 size with (well, almost) xml readability
18:14:44 [AaronSw]
I'd say they're easier to read.
18:15:00 [AaronSw]
they're certainly easier to type
18:15:25 [GabeW]
type: yes... I was looking at SDSI/SPKI and I thought it was a lot easier to parse there than an XML representation would have been
18:15:33 [GabeW]
any work on a RDF serialization into s-exps?
18:15:59 [AaronSw]
Hmm... well you can write it as KIF
18:16:06 [AaronSw]
which is s-expressions, but that gets quickly messy.
18:16:27 [AaronSw]
We use N-Triples, which is close to s-exps
18:16:31 [GabeW]
right - I like those
18:16:37 [AaronSw]
All you'd have to do is replace the periods with ()s
18:16:49 [GabeW]
really? so why don't you?
18:17:07 [AaronSw]
Because there are more RDF N3 parsers than RDF s-exp parsers. ;-)
18:17:23 [GabeW]
hehe
18:17:46 [AaronSw]
N-Triples is probably easier to parse than generalized s-exps actually
18:18:02 [AaronSw]
sbp did it in like 1 (or maybe two) regexps
18:18:08 [GabeW]
I can belive that
18:18:27 [GabeW]
interesting to hear the jxta discussions over in rdfig
18:20:12 [AaronSw]
When?
18:21:13 [GabeW]
right just previous - just really a mention of jxta pipes
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.tv now
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hmm
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blargh
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heh, heh
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* Morbus yawns...
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LOL...
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aaron, you around?
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Hi Morby
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hey there. new homesite's out.
22:11:23 [sbp]
great! disobey.com?
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where's aaron at?
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no idea
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http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Formats
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http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/MatrixURIs
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http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/LinkLaw
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http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Anonymous
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http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/ModelConsequences
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http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/XML-Semantics
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http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Filtering
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closest I know of for an "aggregated collection" is my son's site. [2]
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accidental paste]
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* sbp should sort his keys out
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Gotta run
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Morbus: tired. very tire.d
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Mishka: how come ?
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Morbus: syncasaurus consumes my every passion. i've made love three times to a barney doll. i'm cracking up i tell ya
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* sbp wonders where Aaron is
23:14:22 [Morbus]
i dunno. i miss my boy.
23:14:38 [Morbus]
hey is > greater than? i always get them mixed up.
23:14:56 [sbp]
yes, it's gt
23:20:52 [Morbus]
lilo is trying to figure out why dbmopen() and dbmclose() aren't doing anything
23:20:52 [Morbus]
thrig: "it's a feature"
23:20:52 [Morbus]
lilo: I'm using perl 5.005 or so
23:20:52 [Morbus]
Morbus: because dbmzipperstuck()
23:21:13 [sbp]
heh, heh, heh
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if not dbmzipperstuck(): open dbmzipper()
23:22:00 [Morbus]
unless exists $mother
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else: get wd40()
23:22:05 [sbp]
heh, heh, heh
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:)
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* sbp uses a mock Python syntax there
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s/uses/used/
23:27:31 [Morbus]
i was on the toilet and thought of a good one:
23:27:51 [Morbus]
my $gf = [ caring kind lovely ] unless $days_of_month == 17 .. 23;
23:28:03 [sbp]
lol!
23:28:07 [Morbus]
:)
23:28:41 [Morbus]
we should make a "facts of live" in code thing
23:29:20 [sbp]
ooh, how about a "facts of life" thing too?
23:29:44 [Morbus]
Oh, i suppose.
23:30:23 [sbp]
pub().status == open unless person().requirement == beer;
23:31:06 [Morbus]
bwahahaha.
23:31:13 [deltab]
that'd be Perl 6 code, right?
23:31:36 [sbp]
more ambiguous that natural English? Yeah, I guess so
23:31:41 [Morbus]
heh. yeah, that would work under perl 6 ... although i think you can leave out the ()/.
23:32:09 [Morbus]
i've always wanted an after{ } sort of block.
23:32:31 [Morbus]
like after { $binge_drinking; } do { mass_amounts_of_cocaine; }
23:32:52 [deltab]
Morbus: E (the capabilities one) has something like that
23:33:08 [Morbus]
not sure i follow you - E?
23:34:01 [deltab]
www.skyhunter.com/marcs/ewalnut.html
23:34:43 [sbp]
heh, good opening: "Java, Perl, Python, C++, TCL, and on and on. Don't we have enough languages already? How could we justify bringing yet another programming language into the world?"
23:34:56 [Morbus]
h. reminds me of http://www.mines.edu/students/b/bolmstea/randlang/
23:35:08 [sbp]
they should have followed it with, "well... we're just sorry. Very sorry. Is that O.K.?"
23:35:42 [Morbus]
"at least we didn't call it CFlat".
23:36:14 [sbp]
Heh, "CFlat"
23:36:35 [Morbus]
what's the symbol for a flatnote, anyways?
23:38:46 [sbp]
b
23:38:55 [Morbus]
Cb? heh
23:39:25 [sbp]
"the note that the chromatic scale forgot"
23:39:43 [Morbus]
"cos think about it, would you want a flat chested language?"
23:40:00 [Morbus]
wait, that doesn't work.
23:40:02 [Morbus]
heh
23:41:14 [sbp]
like Fb
23:41:55 [Morbus]
Feminist Brutality?
23:42:19 [sbp]
that's the best way to confuse a badly hungover band: could you play an FbMaj for me, guys?]
23:42:27 [sbp]
heh, heh @ Fb
23:43:02 [Morbus]
hell, that confuses an entirely sober musidiot.
23:43:10 [sbp]
:-)
23:44:48 [Morbus]
"entirely sober" is depressing to read. i'll brb.
23:44:55 [sbp]
lol
23:44:58 [Morbus]
<g>
23:45:45 [sbp]
* sbp wonders if "FeministBrutality" will appear on Wiki one day
23:49:48 [sbp]
* sbp laughs at Aaron's password checking system thingy; fear my wrath!
23:57:51 [sbp]
dear oh dear, we need to update things