00:14:13 'lo 00:14:33 'i 00:16:32 how're things? 00:17:08 Heh: 00:17:18 "Pushed to the brink by recent Internet worm outbreaks, Microsoft hopes to rally the computer industry against those who improperly publish information about security vulnerabilities. " 00:17:30 Improperly publish? How can you improperly publish? 00:17:45 """In an editorial at Microsoft's site, Scott Culp, head of the company's Security Response Center, announced the initiative against what he called "information anarchy." """ 00:18:00 Yeah, people talking to each other is always bad. Better outlaw that. 00:18:17 lol 00:18:29 Just arguing on validator about Pink Floyd... 00:31:23 Joel Spolsky: "For some reason, some people just do not seem to be able to write code with pointers in it. They were born without the part of the brain that does indirection, I guess." 00:44:21 Joel Spolsky: "Some of you received multiple copies of the previous bulletin. I apologize for this. Rest assured that the server that was responsible has been sacked. (If it happens again, rest assured that the people responsible for sacking the the previous server will be sacked as well.)" 00:44:40 Morbus has joined #swhack 00:44:48 Hi Morby 00:44:50 Have you been sacked? 00:44:58 playing with movable type 00:45:04 sacked? what's that? 00:45:27 where someone sneaks up behind you and whops you with a big sack 00:46:04 oh. no. 00:48:07 mt has a learning curve. but it looks neat. 00:49:01 Model Theory? 00:49:07 movable type 00:49:07 cool 00:59:21 Morbus has quit 01:00:11 sbp, why don't you digitally sign and timestamp your documents? 01:01:49 don't I? 01:01:54 Do you? 01:01:58 dunno 01:02:03 Why don't you make them publicly available? 01:02:15 anonymity is a wonderful gift 01:02:27 digital signatures remove that gift 01:02:45 But you sign your pages, don't you? 01:02:51 nope 01:02:53 And your the only one with access to infomesh.net 01:03:02 how do you know that? 01:03:04 And digsigs need not be under your "True Name" 01:03:18 of course, but it still links documents together 01:03:28 unless you use a different signature for each one! 01:03:31 Well, so does infomesh.net 01:03:44 ah, but you dunno who uploaded all those documents 01:04:03 if those documents even exist :-) 01:04:58 Very cool: PGP Digital Timestamping Service - http://www.itconsult.co.uk/stamper.htm 01:05:13 yeah, that's a cool service 01:05:28 digital signatures and timestamps are goof for backing up copyright 01:05:35 s/goof/good 01:05:39 Yeah, very goof. 01:05:42 :-) 01:05:51 (IMO) 01:07:00 So is mailing it to youself in an unopened letter. 01:07:38 not as good as digital signatures IMO, for the same reason that normal signatures arenn' 01:07:41 aren't 01:08:33 aren't as good as their digitized cousins 01:08:34 Yep. 01:08:50 But copright will die out soon enough. 01:08:52 Morbus has joined #swhack 01:08:59 yeah, and copyright 01:09:06 hey this mt is nice. 01:09:07 Yeah, that's what I meant. 01:09:12 ten minues and i'm almost done ;) 01:09:14 http://gamegrene.com/mt/ 01:09:29 * AaronSw adds to syndic8 ;) 01:09:37 NooO! 01:10:05 Heh: in [$ column $]: 01:10:05 seriously though, this looks like a good system. gonna see if i can convert over 01:10:21 yeah, that's MY template value from my system. don't know what it is yet in MT :) 01:13:36 Have... to... focus.... must finish work... 01:13:41 * AaronSw smacks himself 01:14:28 heh. never! 01:16:31 what is GNU if it's not Unix? 01:16:45 It's GNU. 01:17:39 ah, but that's not Unix, so what's your point? 01:18:03 It's something like UNIX but different. 01:18:09 It's a tradition. 01:18:49 Rick Bradley: "It's not like this is a closed source product where you have no recourse but to whine to enhancements@macrobloat.com." 01:19:07 Speaking about, _ahem_, Mozilla. 01:20:55 sbp has changed the topic to: you are reading this topic 01:21:16 anyway 01:21:18 Gotta run 01:21:26 c'ya 01:24:20 sbp has quit 01:30:49 Morbus has quit 01:33:25 Heheh: "Is there any special reason why \U escapes need *8* digits even if only 01:33:25 up to six digits are allowed?" 01:39:56 Morbus has joined #swhack 01:40:12 grumble grumble 01:40:18 mt won't support my naming/dir scheme 01:51:51 Morbus has quit 02:27:45 ChanServ has changed the topic to: 02:28:08 Hmm. 02:30:22 AaronSw has changed the topic to: THIS CHANNEL KILLS FASCISTS 02:42:25 Shoot! I just deleted my website! 02:43:38 shoot shoot shoot shoot shoot 02:44:36 [GLOBAL NOTICE] Apologies for the splits... the regular services technician was unavailable and we had to get creative... 02:46:47 Wow, that really makes me feel better. 02:50:07 Morbus has joined #swhack 02:50:23 i am a fascist. 02:50:33 i am a fascist of the fastening kind 02:50:45 * AaronSw heads off 02:51:13 * AaronSw returns 02:52:53 pffffft 02:55:38 Morbus has quit 02:55:40 What kind of an error is this: 02:55:42 command-line line 0: Missing yes/no argument. 02:55:42 lost connection 02:55:45 ChanServ has changed the topic to: 02:55:59 Morbus has joined #swhack 02:56:58 AaronSw has changed the topic to: I deleted my website. Please send me any archives you have of content from http://swartzfam.com/aaron/ 02:59:28 serious 02:59:29 ? 02:59:48 Yeah :-( 03:00:05 While I was setting up my backup system too, so the backups i made are gone :-( 03:00:42 I found a backup from Mar 25, 2000 on an old machine. 03:01:04 ouch. 03:01:09 that sucks 03:01:16 a lot 03:01:48 And scp isn't working so I don't know how to upload stuff 03:02:28 ahh, at least ftp works 03:05:03 on a good note, i'm making a bit more progress with syncasaurus ;) 03:05:13 that's good 03:11:52 Morbus has quit 03:11:59 ChanServ has changed the topic to: 03:12:15 Morbus has joined #swhack 03:12:17 Morbus has quit 03:14:19 AaronSw has quit 03:14:59 AaronSw has joined #swhack 03:15:13 * AaronSw returns 03:18:27 AaronSw has changed the topic to: I accidentally deleted my website. If you have an archive of http://swartzfam.com/aaron/ please let me know. 03:46:52 How do I find what process is hitting the disk, deltab? 04:08:22 sbp has joined #swhack 04:09:51 lol @ the topic 04:11:16 I have an archive of it 04:24:29 You're laughing? 04:24:30 Pfft. 04:24:37 sbp, what parts do you have? 04:24:48 I am indeed enthralled with giggly joy 04:24:50 parts? 04:24:55 * AaronSw smacks sbp 04:25:07 yeah, parts... as in files 04:25:08 etc. 04:25:22 what do you mean "what files"? 04:25:44 Umm, the ones in that directory. 04:25:46 which ones? 04:25:55 do you have 04:26:12 Perhaps this would work better if you just told me what you have an archive of. 04:26:28 I have an archive of http://swartzfam.com/aaron/ 04:26:42 Just that HTML that you'd receive from an HTTP GET? 04:26:51 yes 04:27:01 I have that. I'm looking for other stuff. 04:27:17 Oh. What kind of other stuff? 04:27:22 URIs? 04:27:36 Did you really delete it? If so, I am going to be on the floor with laughter 04:27:41 Yes. 04:27:49 I dunno, that's the problem... I'm not sure what's there. 04:27:53 err, what was. 04:28:24 heh, heh! every bit is sacred, Aaron! All those bits gone to waste! Dear oh dear, I'm appalled 04:28:34 * sbp wonders how much to rub this in before he helps 04:28:36 It's not like I did it on purpose! 04:28:43 right that'll do. Have you tried Google? 04:29:15 broken: http://swartzfam.com/aaron/textify.tcl 04:29:15 I'm getting there... 04:29:29 Yeah, I know... but only I'd have the text to that script :-( 04:30:03 heh: http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:http://swartzfam.com/aaron/textify.tcl 04:30:18 But that's just the output. 04:30:26 I need the script itself 04:30:28 you really deleted your site? How the fuck did you manage that? I couldn't even do that to my site on purpose 04:30:40 the "heh" was because Google didn't even cache the output 04:31:07 I was trying to set up backup scripts. 04:31:16 oh, man: http://swartzfam.com/aaron/school/ 04:31:22 I know. 04:31:27 Those were all script-driven. 04:31:43 well, they're cached: http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:http://swartzfam.com/aaron/school/ 04:31:57 Yeah, the text is cached at least... 04:32:14 I can't believe you lost the whole lot! Don't you keep backups? 04:32:18 Actually, I still have all the text since it's in a db... well most of it 04:32:34 I did it while I was setting up a new backup system, so no... I don't think I had any other backups. 04:32:53 at least that's cached: http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:http://swartzfam.com/aaron/school/2000/12/12/ 04:33:22 but, man.. 04:33:24 . 04:33:42 did http://logicerror.com/archiverProxy help? 04:33:50 Yeah, quite a bit. 04:34:26 how big is your archive now? 04:34:42 Rather large. 04:34:48 I haven't counted recently. 04:35:11 As you might have noticed I'm otherwise occupied. 04:36:57 ooh, an undelete util 04:37:10 ah, neat 04:37:37 anyway, I think I'm going to have to let you sort it out by yourself (not that I'm of any help anyway) 04:37:46 Pfft. 04:37:55 AaronSw has left #swhack 04:37:56 AaronSw has joined #swhack 04:38:26 You'll be absolutely delighted to know that I've done a little more work on the homepage. Not worth however many hours I just spent on it, but it's progress all the same 04:38:35 Heh. 04:38:47 Don't delete it. ;-) 04:38:55 I changed about 5 words in 3 hours, I think 04:39:01 LOL 04:39:03 I got back my homepage via ArchiverProxy, so it's in some basic state. 04:39:05 delete it: I'm archiving it every step of the way :-) 04:39:15 It's October, isn't it? 04:39:21 yep, I saw you fixed that 04:39:23 Yes, it is 04:39:39 blimey Aaron, I lose track of days sometimes, but rarely months! 04:40:05 It wasn't essential information, so I deleted it.;) 04:40:18 heh, heh 04:43:06 sbp has quit 04:43:17 sbp has joined #swhack 04:43:35 wrong button 04:43:52 * AaronSw tries out this undelete program 04:45:07 It's taking a long time... either it's deleting more files, or rescuing me. 04:47:10 lol 04:47:30 I think it's rescuing me. 04:47:39 s/think/hope 04:48:29 It's pretty lots of hopeful-looking text to the terminal 04:48:37 I still can't believe the irony 04:49:23 I know what caused it. 04:49:33 You cursed me by telling me that my homepage was better than Dan's. 04:49:58 You should probably take that back. 04:51:33 nah, it is 04:51:50 where was that page on logicerror.com about the bit bucket? 04:51:58 bit bucket? 04:52:07 it'd be cool if you had a recent changes file 04:52:22 yeah, about every bit being sacred. You wrote it when I started deleting stuff 04:52:32 recent changes: For logicerror? 04:52:37 yeah 04:52:44 Yeah, I agree 04:52:47 http://logicerror.com/information 04:53:02 aha, cheers 04:54:41 anyway, I hope you recover it 04:55:06 for your sake: I'll never let you live it down if you don't 04:55:23 Heh. 04:55:54 shoot... wtf did it do with it? 04:56:15 heh! 04:56:16 02:42:25 Shoot! I just deleted my website! 04:56:17 02:43:38 shoot shoot shoot shoot shoot 04:56:25 i.e. "fuck, fuck, fuck..." 04:56:31 :-) 04:56:36 :-) 04:57:26 it rescued all this stuf, where did it freaking put it? 04:57:27 how is the undelete process going? is it recovering any/all of it? 04:57:32 ah 04:57:49 try searching for files modified in the last 5 minutes 04:58:02 hwo? 04:58:09 open up search... oh 04:58:35 'tis very easy on Windows: I have to do stuff like that all the time 04:58:45 Ahh.. her we go 04:58:49 find / -ctime 1 04:59:05 result? did it find it? 04:59:44 it's searching... 05:00:42 it's slow... 05:01:03 Odd... didn't find anything. 05:01:35 i must've done somehting wrong... 05:01:39 blarg 05:01:41 blargh 05:02:00 well, it's gone 6AM here, so I'd better be skipping along on my merry way 05:02:23 alright, c'ya 05:02:30 ah, found my mistake 05:02:32 as much as I'd like to lend you my moral support (which extends to pointing and laughing) :-) 05:02:48 -mmin not ctime 05:02:54 pfft 05:02:56 ah 05:02:57 to you 05:03:01 :-) 05:03:15 well, good luck in recovering the files, and let me know how it goes 05:03:19 c'ya 05:03:39 c'ya 05:06:19 sbp has quit 05:11:00 what did you use to undelete? 05:12:39 recover.sf.net 05:12:41 is what i'm using 05:13:21 http://packages.debian.org/testing/admin/recover.html 05:14:41 what system is it? OSX? 05:15:41 Linux 05:15:49 swartzfam.com 07:49:18 Disconnected from irc.openprojects.net (ERROR :Closing Link: logster[xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net] by forward.openprojects.net (Ping timeout for logster[xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net])) 07:49:30 logster has joined #swhack 07:49:30 topic is: I accidentally deleted my website. If you have an archive of http://swartzfam.com/aaron/ please let me know. 07:49:30 Users on #swhack: logster AaronSw deltab 08:01:50 deltab has quit 08:11:05 deltab has joined #swhack 08:11:08 deltab has quit 08:11:10 deltab has joined #swhack 08:25:07 deltab has quit 08:25:29 deltab has joined #swhack 09:01:02 Disconnected from irc.openprojects.net (ERROR :Closing Link: logster[xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net] by forward.openprojects.net (Ping timeout for logster[xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net])) 09:01:08 logster has joined #swhack 09:01:08 topic is: I accidentally deleted my website. If you have an archive of http://swartzfam.com/aaron/ please let me know. 09:01:08 Users on #swhack: logster deltab AaronSw 10:29:50 deltab has quit 10:30:13 deltab has joined #swhack 11:14:09 Morbus has joined #swhack 11:14:27 ping? 11:20:38 Morbus has quit 11:23:10 Morbus has joined #swhack 11:33:58 AaronSw has quit 11:33:58 deltab has quit 11:33:58 Morbus has quit 11:34:04 ChanServ has changed the topic to: 11:34:23 AaronSw has joined #swhack 11:34:42 deltab has joined #swhack 11:34:42 Morbus has joined #swhack 12:27:47 Morbus has quit 12:39:24 deltab has quit 12:39:24 AaronSw has quit 12:39:27 deltab has joined #swhack 12:39:27 AaronSw has joined #swhack 12:58:13 Disconnected from irc.openprojects.net (Connection reset by peer) 12:58:31 logster has joined #swhack 12:58:31 Users on #swhack: logster AaronSw deltab 14:00:27 Morbus has joined #swhack 14:08:03 ping? 14:46:58 AaronSw has quit 14:46:58 Morbus has quit 14:47:22 Morbus has joined #swhack 14:47:40 AaronSw has joined #swhack 14:58:24 * AaronSw wakes up 14:58:58 pong, Morbus. sorry -- guesss i was a little sleepy 14:59:03 ;) 14:59:11 hehehe. damn. that's one slow motherboard :) 14:59:27 ? 15:02:28 ok. so of the three, you'd say the stegosaurus? 15:02:43 Yeah, I think so 15:02:50 k. thanks 15:44:34 sbp has joined #swhack 15:46:23 ugh, still gone: http://swartzfam.com/aaron/school/ 15:46:34 I guess the undelete didn't work, then 15:46:34 Yeah, I decided to go to sleep 15:46:38 No, it worked 15:46:44 ah, cool 15:46:55 I just haven't gotten finished digging the stuff i need out of the rubble 15:47:29 ugh 15:47:36 at least you recovered it 15:47:41 Yep. 15:49:13 Hmm, 2 photoshop files... I wonder what those are. 15:49:48 Gotta run 15:49:51 sbp has quit 15:50:01 Ah, my archiveurl script! I've been looking for this 15:59:53 Yay! back on the air 16:00:02 /school is at least 16:07:17 Morbus has left #swhack 16:08:05 Hmm, Google interprets a "|" between terms as an or 16:11:45 sbp has joined #swhack 16:12:03 * sbp sends a rant to DC-ARCH about RDDL 16:13:21 hello? 16:15:05 Gotta run 16:15:07 sbp has quit 16:15:16 Yeah, saw that. 16:15:30 Say my name, if you want me to pay attention, silly. 16:24:49 Morbus has joined #swhack 16:24:56 'lo 16:25:06 Morbus has left #swhack 16:39:10 Wow, TimBL sent a message to the WG. 16:39:41 Tim Berners-Lee: "The idea of any "SHOULD" in the definition of equality for literals for any 16:39:41 language give me the creeps. A weakness at the bottom of the foundation tends to 16:39:41 imply bad things for the rest." 16:40:04 Signed: "-- Tim BL, as random member of RDF-IG" 16:40:20 (who clearly doesn't know that the RDF Core list is off-limits for random members ;) 16:40:39 I'd like to see Brian's message explaining to him that the list is member-only and to please send his feedback to rdf-comments! 17:06:08 sbp has joined #swhack 17:08:50 Hello 17:09:02 I'm really surpised that Dave Winer won the Top Wired Award for SOAP. 17:10:05 He was up against Dean Kamen, Dmitry Sklyarov, Ed Felten and Miguel de Icaza. 17:10:13 That's tough competition. 17:11:12 sbp? 17:16:24 Morbus has joined #swhack 17:16:40 Hi Morbus, so who'd you vote for in the Wired Awards? 17:16:41 sean, you there? 17:16:45 i didn't vote. 17:16:56 i haven't read the latest wired yet. its piled under three other mags. 17:18:58 yes I'm here 17:19:03 sorry, was working on something 17:19:13 check out disobey.com/syncasaurus/ 17:19:20 me? 17:19:23 which do you like? 17:19:25 yeah, you. 17:20:43 heh, heh: http://www.disobey.com/syncasaurus/syncasaurus3.jpg 17:21:47 heh. you like that one? 17:26:33 I like it because it made me giggle. Choose it, choose it! 17:26:58 hehe. :) 17:27:11 ther'es a smaller version at polytechnic.co.uk/sync.gif 17:27:17 the final won't be that small though 17:30:28 yah :) 17:34:09 aaww. only 4300. i suck. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22disobey.%2Bcom%22&btnG=Google+Search 17:35:07 Why does Yahoo think you're an Magazine? http://dir.yahoo.com/Entertainment/News_and_Media/Magazines/ 17:35:25 i dont flipping know. 17:35:33 you know, ever since 97, i've been tyring to convince people i'm not a magazine 17:35:36 they don't flipping listen 17:35:40 Heheh. 17:35:43 so i let them rest assured. morons :) 17:35:54 Do you get magazine ad emails like DanC? 17:35:56 funny, though, i was one of the most popular ones a few months back at the url. 17:36:06 yup, i do. why does danc get em? 17:36:18 He once edited the w3j.org 17:36:27 ah. 17:36:33 i also get a lot of college seminar things. 17:36:39 they love inviting me to everything. 17:36:43 sigh. 17:38:53 You're just so popular 17:39:42 pft. if i were popular, they'd move the conference to somewhere i can walk to. 17:39:42