IRC log of swhack on 2001-10-18

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00:14:13 [AaronSw]
'lo
00:14:33 [sbp]
'i
00:16:32 [AaronSw]
how're things?
00:17:08 [AaronSw]
Heh:
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"Pushed to the brink by recent Internet worm outbreaks, Microsoft hopes to rally the computer industry against those who improperly publish information about security vulnerabilities. "
00:17:30 [AaronSw]
Improperly publish? How can you improperly publish?
00:17:45 [AaronSw]
"""In an editorial at Microsoft's site, Scott Culp, head of the company's Security Response Center, announced the initiative against what he called "information anarchy." """
00:18:00 [AaronSw]
Yeah, people talking to each other is always bad. Better outlaw that.
00:18:17 [sbp]
lol
00:18:29 [sbp]
Just arguing on validator about Pink Floyd...
00:31:23 [AaronSw]
Joel Spolsky: "For some reason, some people just do not seem to be able to write code with pointers in it. They were born without the part of the brain that does indirection, I guess."
00:44:21 [AaronSw]
Joel Spolsky: "Some of you received multiple copies of the previous bulletin. I apologize for this. Rest assured that the server that was responsible has been sacked. (If it happens again, rest assured that the people responsible for sacking the the previous server will be sacked as well.)"
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Hi Morby
00:44:50 [AaronSw]
Have you been sacked?
00:44:58 [Morbus]
playing with movable type
00:45:04 [Morbus]
sacked? what's that?
00:45:27 [sbp]
where someone sneaks up behind you and whops you with a big sack
00:46:04 [Morbus]
oh. no.
00:48:07 [Morbus]
mt has a learning curve. but it looks neat.
00:49:01 [sbp]
Model Theory?
00:49:07 [AaronSw]
movable type
00:49:07 [AaronSw]
cool
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01:00:11 [AaronSw]
sbp, why don't you digitally sign and timestamp your documents?
01:01:49 [sbp]
don't I?
01:01:54 [AaronSw]
Do you?
01:01:58 [sbp]
dunno
01:02:03 [AaronSw]
Why don't you make them publicly available?
01:02:15 [sbp]
anonymity is a wonderful gift
01:02:27 [sbp]
digital signatures remove that gift
01:02:45 [AaronSw]
But you sign your pages, don't you?
01:02:51 [sbp]
nope
01:02:53 [AaronSw]
And your the only one with access to infomesh.net
01:03:02 [sbp]
how do you know that?
01:03:04 [AaronSw]
And digsigs need not be under your "True Name"
01:03:18 [sbp]
of course, but it still links documents together
01:03:28 [sbp]
unless you use a different signature for each one!
01:03:31 [AaronSw]
Well, so does infomesh.net
01:03:44 [sbp]
ah, but you dunno who uploaded all those documents
01:04:03 [sbp]
if those documents even exist :-)
01:04:58 [AaronSw]
Very cool: PGP Digital Timestamping Service - http://www.itconsult.co.uk/stamper.htm
01:05:13 [sbp]
yeah, that's a cool service
01:05:28 [sbp]
digital signatures and timestamps are goof for backing up copyright
01:05:35 [sbp]
s/goof/good
01:05:39 [AaronSw]
Yeah, very goof.
01:05:42 [sbp]
:-)
01:05:51 [AaronSw]
(IMO)
01:07:00 [AaronSw]
So is mailing it to youself in an unopened letter.
01:07:38 [sbp]
not as good as digital signatures IMO, for the same reason that normal signatures arenn'
01:07:41 [sbp]
aren't
01:08:33 [sbp]
aren't as good as their digitized cousins
01:08:34 [AaronSw]
Yep.
01:08:50 [AaronSw]
But copright will die out soon enough.
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01:08:59 [sbp]
yeah, and copyright
01:09:06 [Morbus]
hey this mt is nice.
01:09:07 [AaronSw]
Yeah, that's what I meant.
01:09:12 [Morbus]
ten minues and i'm almost done ;)
01:09:14 [Morbus]
http://gamegrene.com/mt/
01:09:29 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw adds to syndic8 ;)
01:09:37 [Morbus]
NooO! <g>
01:10:05 [AaronSw]
Heh: in [$ column $]:
01:10:05 [Morbus]
seriously though, this looks like a good system. gonna see if i can convert over
01:10:21 [Morbus]
yeah, that's MY template value from my system. don't know what it is yet in MT :)
01:13:36 [AaronSw]
Have... to... focus.... must finish work...
01:13:41 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw smacks himself
01:14:28 [Morbus]
heh. never!
01:16:31 [sbp]
what is GNU if it's not Unix?
01:16:45 [AaronSw]
It's GNU.
01:17:39 [sbp]
ah, but that's not Unix, so what's your point?
01:18:03 [AaronSw]
It's something like UNIX but different.
01:18:09 [AaronSw]
It's a tradition.
01:18:49 [AaronSw]
Rick Bradley: "It's not like this is a closed source product where you have no recourse but to whine to enhancements@macrobloat.com."
01:19:07 [AaronSw]
Speaking about, _ahem_, Mozilla.
01:20:55 [sbp]
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anyway
01:21:18 [sbp]
Gotta run
01:21:26 [AaronSw]
c'ya
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Heheh: "Is there any special reason why \U escapes need *8* digits even if only
01:33:25 [AaronSw]
up to six digits are allowed?"
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01:40:12 [Morbus]
grumble grumble
01:40:18 [Morbus]
mt won't support my naming/dir scheme
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02:28:08 [AaronSw]
Hmm.
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AaronSw has changed the topic to: THIS CHANNEL KILLS FASCISTS
02:42:25 [AaronSw]
Shoot! I just deleted my website!
02:43:38 [AaronSw]
shoot shoot shoot shoot shoot
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[GLOBAL NOTICE] Apologies for the splits... the regular services technician was unavailable and we had to get creative...
02:46:47 [AaronSw]
Wow, that really makes me feel better.
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02:50:23 [Morbus]
i am a fascist.
02:50:33 [Morbus]
i am a fascist of the fastening kind
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02:52:53 [AaronSw]
pffffft
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02:55:40 [AaronSw]
What kind of an error is this:
02:55:42 [AaronSw]
command-line line 0: Missing yes/no argument.
02:55:42 [AaronSw]
lost connection
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AaronSw has changed the topic to: I deleted my website. Please send me any archives you have of content from http://swartzfam.com/aaron/
02:59:28 [Morbus]
serious
02:59:29 [Morbus]
?
02:59:48 [AaronSw]
Yeah :-(
03:00:05 [AaronSw]
While I was setting up my backup system too, so the backups i made are gone :-(
03:00:42 [AaronSw]
I found a backup from Mar 25, 2000 on an old machine.
03:01:04 [Morbus]
ouch.
03:01:09 [Morbus]
that sucks
03:01:16 [AaronSw]
a lot
03:01:48 [AaronSw]
And scp isn't working so I don't know how to upload stuff
03:02:28 [AaronSw]
ahh, at least ftp works
03:05:03 [Morbus]
on a good note, i'm making a bit more progress with syncasaurus ;)
03:05:13 [AaronSw]
that's good
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03:18:27 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has changed the topic to: I accidentally deleted my website. If you have an archive of http://swartzfam.com/aaron/ please let me know.
03:46:52 [AaronSw]
How do I find what process is hitting the disk, deltab?
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04:09:51 [sbp]
lol @ the topic
04:11:16 [sbp]
I have an archive of it
04:24:29 [AaronSw]
You're laughing?
04:24:30 [AaronSw]
Pfft.
04:24:37 [AaronSw]
sbp, what parts do you have?
04:24:48 [sbp]
I am indeed enthralled with giggly joy
04:24:50 [sbp]
parts?
04:24:55 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw smacks sbp
04:25:07 [AaronSw]
yeah, parts... as in files
04:25:08 [AaronSw]
etc.
04:25:22 [sbp]
what do you mean "what files"?
04:25:44 [AaronSw]
Umm, the ones in that directory.
04:25:46 [AaronSw]
which ones?
04:25:55 [AaronSw]
do you have
04:26:12 [AaronSw]
Perhaps this would work better if you just told me what you have an archive of.
04:26:28 [sbp]
I have an archive of http://swartzfam.com/aaron/
04:26:42 [AaronSw]
Just that HTML that you'd receive from an HTTP GET?
04:26:51 [sbp]
yes
04:27:01 [AaronSw]
I have that. I'm looking for other stuff.
04:27:17 [sbp]
Oh. What kind of other stuff?
04:27:22 [sbp]
URIs?
04:27:36 [sbp]
Did you really delete it? If so, I am going to be on the floor with laughter
04:27:41 [AaronSw]
Yes.
04:27:49 [AaronSw]
I dunno, that's the problem... I'm not sure what's there.
04:27:53 [AaronSw]
err, what was.
04:28:24 [sbp]
heh, heh! every bit is sacred, Aaron! All those bits gone to waste! Dear oh dear, I'm appalled
04:28:34 [sbp]
* sbp wonders how much to rub this in before he helps
04:28:36 [AaronSw]
It's not like I did it on purpose!
04:28:43 [sbp]
right that'll do. Have you tried Google?
04:29:15 [sbp]
broken: http://swartzfam.com/aaron/textify.tcl
04:29:15 [AaronSw]
I'm getting there...
04:29:29 [AaronSw]
Yeah, I know... but only I'd have the text to that script :-(
04:30:03 [sbp]
heh: http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:http://swartzfam.com/aaron/textify.tcl
04:30:18 [AaronSw]
But that's just the output.
04:30:26 [AaronSw]
I need the script itself
04:30:28 [sbp]
you really deleted your site? How the fuck did you manage that? I couldn't even do that to my site on purpose
04:30:40 [sbp]
the "heh" was because Google didn't even cache the output
04:31:07 [AaronSw]
I was trying to set up backup scripts.
04:31:16 [sbp]
oh, man: http://swartzfam.com/aaron/school/
04:31:22 [AaronSw]
I know.
04:31:27 [AaronSw]
Those were all script-driven.
04:31:43 [sbp]
well, they're cached: http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:http://swartzfam.com/aaron/school/
04:31:57 [AaronSw]
Yeah, the text is cached at least...
04:32:14 [sbp]
I can't believe you lost the whole lot! Don't you keep backups?
04:32:18 [AaronSw]
Actually, I still have all the text since it's in a db... well most of it
04:32:34 [AaronSw]
I did it while I was setting up a new backup system, so no... I don't think I had any other backups.
04:32:53 [sbp]
at least that's cached: http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:http://swartzfam.com/aaron/school/2000/12/12/
04:33:22 [sbp]
but, man..
04:33:24 [sbp]
.
04:33:42 [sbp]
did http://logicerror.com/archiverProxy help?
04:33:50 [AaronSw]
Yeah, quite a bit.
04:34:26 [sbp]
how big is your archive now?
04:34:42 [AaronSw]
Rather large.
04:34:48 [AaronSw]
I haven't counted recently.
04:35:11 [AaronSw]
As you might have noticed I'm otherwise occupied.
04:36:57 [AaronSw]
ooh, an undelete util
04:37:10 [sbp]
ah, neat
04:37:37 [sbp]
anyway, I think I'm going to have to let you sort it out by yourself (not that I'm of any help anyway)
04:37:46 [AaronSw]
Pfft.
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04:38:26 [sbp]
You'll be absolutely delighted to know that I've done a little more work on the homepage. Not worth however many hours I just spent on it, but it's progress all the same
04:38:35 [AaronSw]
Heh.
04:38:47 [AaronSw]
Don't delete it. ;-)
04:38:55 [sbp]
I changed about 5 words in 3 hours, I think
04:39:01 [AaronSw]
LOL
04:39:03 [AaronSw]
I got back my homepage via ArchiverProxy, so it's in some basic state.
04:39:05 [sbp]
delete it: I'm archiving it every step of the way :-)
04:39:15 [AaronSw]
It's October, isn't it?
04:39:21 [sbp]
yep, I saw you fixed that
04:39:23 [sbp]
Yes, it is
04:39:39 [sbp]
blimey Aaron, I lose track of days sometimes, but rarely months!
04:40:05 [AaronSw]
It wasn't essential information, so I deleted it.;)
04:40:18 [sbp]
heh, heh
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04:43:35 [sbp]
wrong button
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* AaronSw tries out this undelete program
04:45:07 [AaronSw]
It's taking a long time... either it's deleting more files, or rescuing me.
04:47:10 [sbp]
lol
04:47:30 [AaronSw]
I think it's rescuing me.
04:47:39 [sbp]
s/think/hope
04:48:29 [AaronSw]
It's pretty lots of hopeful-looking text to the terminal
04:48:37 [sbp]
I still can't believe the irony
04:49:23 [AaronSw]
I know what caused it.
04:49:33 [AaronSw]
You cursed me by telling me that my homepage was better than Dan's.
04:49:58 [AaronSw]
You should probably take that back.
04:51:33 [sbp]
nah, it is
04:51:50 [sbp]
where was that page on logicerror.com about the bit bucket?
04:51:58 [AaronSw]
bit bucket?
04:52:07 [sbp]
it'd be cool if you had a recent changes file
04:52:22 [sbp]
yeah, about every bit being sacred. You wrote it when I started deleting stuff
04:52:32 [AaronSw]
recent changes: For logicerror?
04:52:37 [sbp]
yeah
04:52:44 [AaronSw]
Yeah, I agree
04:52:47 [AaronSw]
http://logicerror.com/information
04:53:02 [sbp]
aha, cheers
04:54:41 [sbp]
anyway, I hope you recover it
04:55:06 [sbp]
for your sake: I'll never let you live it down if you don't
04:55:23 [AaronSw]
Heh.
04:55:54 [AaronSw]
shoot... wtf did it do with it?
04:56:15 [sbp]
heh!
04:56:16 [sbp]
02:42:25 <AaronSw> Shoot! I just deleted my website!
04:56:17 [sbp]
02:43:38 <AaronSw> shoot shoot shoot shoot shoot
04:56:25 [sbp]
i.e. "fuck, fuck, fuck..."
04:56:31 [sbp]
:-)
04:56:36 [AaronSw]
:-)
04:57:26 [AaronSw]
it rescued all this stuf, where did it freaking put it?
04:57:27 [sbp]
how is the undelete process going? is it recovering any/all of it?
04:57:32 [sbp]
ah
04:57:49 [sbp]
try searching for files modified in the last 5 minutes
04:58:02 [AaronSw]
hwo?
04:58:09 [sbp]
open up search... oh
04:58:35 [sbp]
'tis very easy on Windows: I have to do stuff like that all the time
04:58:45 [AaronSw]
Ahh.. her we go
04:58:49 [AaronSw]
find / -ctime 1
04:59:05 [sbp]
result? did it find it?
04:59:44 [AaronSw]
it's searching...
05:00:42 [sbp]
it's slow...
05:01:03 [AaronSw]
Odd... didn't find anything.
05:01:35 [AaronSw]
i must've done somehting wrong...
05:01:39 [sbp]
blarg
05:01:41 [sbp]
blargh
05:02:00 [sbp]
well, it's gone 6AM here, so I'd better be skipping along on my merry way
05:02:23 [AaronSw]
alright, c'ya
05:02:30 [AaronSw]
ah, found my mistake
05:02:32 [sbp]
as much as I'd like to lend you my moral support (which extends to pointing and laughing) :-)
05:02:48 [AaronSw]
-mmin not ctime
05:02:54 [AaronSw]
pfft
05:02:56 [sbp]
ah
05:02:57 [AaronSw]
to you
05:03:01 [sbp]
:-)
05:03:15 [sbp]
well, good luck in recovering the files, and let me know how it goes
05:03:19 [sbp]
c'ya
05:03:39 [AaronSw]
c'ya
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what did you use to undelete?
05:12:39 [AaronSw]
recover.sf.net
05:12:41 [AaronSw]
is what i'm using
05:13:21 [AaronSw]
http://packages.debian.org/testing/admin/recover.html
05:14:41 [deltab]
what system is it? OSX?
05:15:41 [AaronSw]
Linux
05:15:49 [AaronSw]
swartzfam.com
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topic is: I accidentally deleted my website. If you have an archive of http://swartzfam.com/aaron/ please let me know.
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topic is: I accidentally deleted my website. If you have an archive of http://swartzfam.com/aaron/ please let me know.
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ping?
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pong, Morbus. sorry -- guesss i was a little sleepy
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;)
14:59:11 [Morbus]
hehehe. damn. that's one slow motherboard :)
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?
15:02:28 [Morbus]
ok. so of the three, you'd say the stegosaurus?
15:02:43 [AaronSw]
Yeah, I think so
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k. thanks
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ugh, still gone: http://swartzfam.com/aaron/school/
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I guess the undelete didn't work, then
15:46:34 [AaronSw]
Yeah, I decided to go to sleep
15:46:38 [AaronSw]
No, it worked
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ah, cool
15:46:55 [AaronSw]
I just haven't gotten finished digging the stuff i need out of the rubble
15:47:29 [sbp]
ugh
15:47:36 [sbp]
at least you recovered it
15:47:41 [AaronSw]
Yep.
15:49:13 [AaronSw]
Hmm, 2 photoshop files... I wonder what those are.
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Gotta run
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Ah, my archiveurl script! I've been looking for this
15:59:53 [AaronSw]
Yay! back on the air
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/school is at least
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Hmm, Google interprets a "|" between terms as an or
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* sbp sends a rant to DC-ARCH about RDDL
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hello?
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Gotta run
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Yeah, saw that.
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Say my name, if you want me to pay attention, silly.
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'lo
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16:39:10 [AaronSw]
Wow, TimBL sent a message to the WG.
16:39:41 [AaronSw]
Tim Berners-Lee: "The idea of any "SHOULD" in the definition of equality for literals for any
16:39:41 [AaronSw]
language give me the creeps. A weakness at the bottom of the foundation tends to
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imply bad things for the rest."
16:40:04 [AaronSw]
Signed: "-- Tim BL, as random member of RDF-IG"
16:40:20 [AaronSw]
(who clearly doesn't know that the RDF Core list is off-limits for random members ;)
16:40:39 [AaronSw]
I'd like to see Brian's message explaining to him that the list is member-only and to please send his feedback to rdf-comments!
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Hello
17:09:02 [AaronSw]
I'm really surpised that Dave Winer won the Top Wired Award for SOAP.
17:10:05 [AaronSw]
He was up against Dean Kamen, Dmitry Sklyarov, Ed Felten and Miguel de Icaza.
17:10:13 [AaronSw]
That's tough competition.
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sbp?
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17:16:40 [AaronSw]
Hi Morbus, so who'd you vote for in the Wired Awards?
17:16:41 [Morbus]
sean, you there?
17:16:45 [Morbus]
i didn't vote.
17:16:56 [Morbus]
i haven't read the latest wired yet. its piled under three other mags.
17:18:58 [sbp]
yes I'm here
17:19:03 [sbp]
sorry, was working on something
17:19:13 [Morbus]
check out disobey.com/syncasaurus/
17:19:20 [sbp]
me?
17:19:23 [Morbus]
which do you like?
17:19:25 [Morbus]
yeah, you.
17:20:43 [sbp]
heh, heh: http://www.disobey.com/syncasaurus/syncasaurus3.jpg
17:21:47 [Morbus]
heh. you like that one?
17:26:33 [sbp]
I like it because it made me giggle. Choose it, choose it!
17:26:58 [Morbus]
hehe. :)
17:27:11 [Morbus]
ther'es a smaller version at polytechnic.co.uk/sync.gif
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the final won't be that small though
17:30:28 [Morbus]
yah :)
17:34:09 [Morbus]
aaww. only 4300. i suck. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22disobey.%2Bcom%22&btnG=Google+Search
17:35:07 [AaronSw]
Why does Yahoo think you're an Magazine? http://dir.yahoo.com/Entertainment/News_and_Media/Magazines/
17:35:25 [Morbus]
i dont flipping know.
17:35:33 [Morbus]
you know, ever since 97, i've been tyring to convince people i'm not a magazine
17:35:36 [Morbus]
they don't flipping listen
17:35:40 [AaronSw]
Heheh.
17:35:43 [Morbus]
so i let them rest assured. morons :)
17:35:54 [AaronSw]
Do you get magazine ad emails like DanC?
17:35:56 [Morbus]
funny, though, i was one of the most popular ones a few months back at the url.
17:36:06 [Morbus]
yup, i do. why does danc get em?
17:36:18 [AaronSw]
He once edited the w3j.org
17:36:27 [Morbus]
ah.
17:36:33 [Morbus]
i also get a lot of college seminar things.
17:36:39 [Morbus]
they love inviting me to everything.
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sigh.
17:38:53 [AaronSw]
You're just so popular
17:39:42 [Morbus]
pft. if i were popular, they'd move the conference to somewhere i can walk to.
17:39:42 [AaronSw]
Heheh.
17:39:46 [Morbus]
:)
17:44:56 [Morbus]
am i 'reet cos i'm a gnu link? http://www.gnu.org/directory/AmphetaDesk.html
17:45:07 [AaronSw]
Totally.
17:45:07 [sbp]
Gotta run
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17:45:16 [AaronSw]
Is 'reet a good thing?
17:45:22 [Morbus]
yeah :)
17:47:45 [Morbus]
dunno if you seen this: http://carboniq.com/log/
17:47:47 [Morbus]
not so bad.
17:48:50 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw deletes him MP3 collection for disk space
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600MB, not bad
17:48:55 [Morbus]
hehe.
17:49:16 [AaronSw]
Oh, shoot! I didn't notice there was another partition!
17:49:37 [AaronSw]
ah well
17:49:56 [AaronSw]
I have it all on my portable, that was just the web-accessible copy
17:54:59 [Morbus]
what portable do you have? a rio?
17:55:09 [AaronSw]
No, I mean my laptop... my TiBook
17:55:14 [Morbus]
oh <g>
17:55:18 [AaronSw]
I was going to say desktop, but then i remembered it's a portable ;)
17:55:22 [Morbus]
hehehe.
17:55:39 [Morbus]
i have a 75mhz laptop running 95 with 8 megs. ie 3 and ns3 yeaaaah.
17:55:49 [AaronSw]
heheh
17:55:52 [Morbus]
plus i have two UMSDOS based linux's on it :)
17:55:59 [Morbus]
with a 2.0 and 2.2 kernel.
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haven't updated them in years.
17:56:16 [AaronSw]
8 megs of ram?
17:56:20 [Morbus]
yup.
17:56:22 [AaronSw]
how could windows run on that?
17:56:31 [Morbus]
its a very very slim installation, but it runs.
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ie 3 takes about 15 seconds to load though. ns around 30.
17:56:45 [Morbus]
but it works. got a 288 modem.
17:56:54 [Morbus]
its mostly an email machine when i care that much (which is rare rare rare)
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got qedit as my text editor (dos based, woot) <g>
17:57:38 [AaronSw]
Heheheh.
17:57:47 [AaronSw]
ls
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whoops
17:57:53 [Morbus]
heheh.
17:57:53 [Morbus]
um.
17:58:03 [Morbus]
>AaronSW -r-r-rw-
17:58:09 [AaronSw]
Huh?
17:58:18 [AaronSw]
Oh...
17:58:21 [Morbus]
i'm trying ot manually construct an ls based on irc members
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cd AaronSW; ls
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>loser --x--x--x
17:58:38 [AaronSw]
rm loser
17:58:45 [Morbus]
operation denied.
17:58:48 [AaronSw]
sudo rm loser
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permission denied, rather.
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password:
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******
17:59:33 [Morbus]
> Are you sure you want to do this? [n]
17:59:54 [AaronSw]
y
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rm: illegal option -y
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* AaronSw kicks morbus-commandline
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Not ready reading drive morbus-commandline
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Abort, Retry, Fail?
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reboot to linux!
18:04:13 [Morbus]
Windows NT Boot Loader: Incorrect MBR found. Reinstalling Boot Loader...
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Hmm, I found this file but I can't remember where it goes. :(
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on your site?
18:05:41 [AaronSw]
Yeah, from my file recovery
18:05:43 [deltab]
try searching for some key phrase from it on google
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I did, doesn't seem to be indexed
18:06:39 [Morbus]
whoo, after syncasaurus, i'll be working on a sysadmin/spam project/
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fun fun.
18:07:02 [AaronSw]
I guess if it's not on google it can't be that important
18:07:02 [deltab]
sysadmin spam?
18:07:20 [AaronSw]
sysadmin spam?
18:07:44 [Morbus]
yeah, basically, it'll be an authenticated system of hosts and ips that should be blocked due to spam, importable into access.db for sendmail, procmail, dns lists, etc... auto-updated, lalala.
18:08:01 [Morbus]
kinda like a servers-side autoupdating rbl.
18:08:16 [AaronSw]
I think the heuristic-based spam blocker is a better idea
18:08:26 [AaronSw]
aren't all rbls server-side and autoupdating?
18:08:28 [Morbus]
explain heurisitc.
18:08:36 [Morbus]
well, yes and no.
18:08:38 [AaronSw]
err, not heruristic actually, collaborative.
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Everyone when they find a spam on their machine clicks the "this is a spam button"
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and then it gets deleted from the other people's machines
18:09:01 [Morbus]
tehy're server side for the actually implementation, but not for the hosting of. if the rbl goes down, then you'll have your mail app querying a broken domain
18:10:26 [AaronSw]
ah
18:10:33 [Morbus]
that, actually, doesn't sound halfbad.
18:10:41 [Morbus]
you could kinda do that with this idea, just autopush updates to a daemon on the machine.
18:11:17 [Morbus]
although sendmail doesn't have decent subject line filtering, or what have you, procmail could do it easily.
18:11:35 [AaronSw]
problem is it only really works client-side
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because of the time it takes to get the data
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for the reporting, right?
18:11:56 [AaronSw]
right
18:12:01 [Morbus]
right.
18:12:10 [Morbus]
autopushing to 3000 hosts would be a bad sort of bandwidth thing :)
18:13:04 [AaronSw]
it apparently works quite well
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haven't used it and don't know the details, tho
18:18:04 [AaronSw]
Wow, some real blasts from the past in this undelete.
18:18:09 [Morbus]
heh.
18:18:23 [AaronSw]
I can't believe I put this stuff on my website... here's a school reflections writeup from 6th grade:
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"I think this shows that I wasn't pushing myself hard enough, so I will try harder this term. Otherwise, I was mostly pleased to see my report card. [...] Even though I did not achieve my goal, I am still very pleased, because I got close to it and I learned a lot about the subject."
18:19:02 [Morbus]
oh my lord.
18:19:05 [Morbus]
you need a beating.
18:19:12 [AaronSw]
It's incredible what you'll say under torture.
18:19:17 [Morbus]
heheh...
18:19:55 [AaronSw]
Heh, I wrote about this article on 1999-12-12: "Suddenly Hackers Are Sexy, Hip and Evil"
18:20:18 [AaronSw]
I believe my teacher wrote on that in red pen saying, "Don't get any ideas Aaron."
18:20:24 [Morbus]
bwaaha
18:20:42 [AaronSw]
As I recall he also circled "Sexy" and wrote "Oh my!"
18:21:00 [deltab]
haha!
18:21:42 [AaronSw]
I can't believe I used W3CDTF format back in 1999-12-12.
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But I guess I did.
18:23:02 [Morbus]
what's that?
18:23:15 [AaronSw]
It's the date and time format that goes YYYY-MM-DD
18:23:53 [Morbus]
and what should the date and time format be?
18:24:06 [Morbus]
i thought that was iso8601
18:24:08 [deltab]
I've been using it for a few years too
18:24:23 [AaronSw]
It's a subset of iso8601
18:24:31 [Morbus]
so what should it be?
18:24:52 [AaronSw]
It should be W3CDTF.
18:25:01 [AaronSw]
The point is I didn't know I was so happening in 8th grade.
18:25:05 [Morbus]
ooOh.
18:25:10 [Morbus]
ok. i see. i read it as "man, i was dumb!"
18:25:19 [AaronSw]
Yeah, saw that.
18:25:47 [AaronSw]
Ugh, why do I have this: "TEEN'S DEATH SHEDS LIGHT ON A VOLATILE PARTY DRUG "
18:26:01 [Morbus]
not "man, i'm cooler than i thought"
18:26:31 [AaronSw]
[[[the group skipped the movie, cruised around in a van, got peach Slurpees at a 7-Eleven and
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ended up in an apartment belonging to a friend of the boys. Some smoked
18:26:31 [AaronSw]
pot, some drank alcohol. They watched "Saturday Night Live" and the movies "Jackie Brown" and "Superfly," according to court documents.]]]
18:29:22 [AaronSw]
91 files to go...
18:30:08 [Morbus]
i poo. i need a sed command line
18:30:08 [Morbus]
how do i take STDIN, regexp and rewrite to STDOUT?
18:30:12 [Morbus]
i don't know the syntax.
18:30:27 [AaronSw]
cat file | sed -e 's/bar/baz/ | more
18:33:15 [Morbus]
hmf.
18:33:15 [Morbus]
sed -e `s/(\n)/\tREJECT$1/`
18:33:15 [Morbus]
that doesn't work.
18:33:16 [Morbus]
how do i refer to parens?
18:33:29 [Morbus]
ok. well. nevermind.
18:33:29 [Morbus]
's/$/\tREJECT\n/'
18:33:34 [Morbus]
how do i embed tabs? <g>
18:35:32 [AaronSw]
\t
18:36:12 [Morbus]
yeah, i did that.
18:36:12 [Morbus]
they came out as \t's.
18:36:13 [Morbus]
see above.
18:36:38 [AaronSw]
type a literal tab?
18:36:44 [Morbus]
yeah
18:37:17 [Morbus]
i want a tab character
18:37:40 [AaronSw]
ask deltab
18:38:33 [Morbus]
deltab, you around? i'm running sed -e 's/$/\tREJECT\n' and my tabs and newlines are coming through as t and n, and not what i want.
18:42:27 [Morbus]
argh. goddamit.
18:45:12 [Morbus]
whoo.
18:45:12 [AaronSw]
do a google on sed?
18:45:12 [Morbus]
lwp-request http://www.test.com/ | perl -pe 's/$/\t\tREJECT/'
18:45:13 [Morbus]
>> /etc/mail/access && makemap hash /etc/mail/access < /etc/mail/access
18:45:20 [Morbus]
oop. thats all one line.
18:45:36 [AaronSw]
cool
18:45:39 [Morbus]
:)
18:46:00 [Morbus]
URL in question being: http://www.monkeys.com/anti-spam/filtering/lists.html
18:46:05 [Morbus]
any of thelists at the bottom.
18:52:09 [AaronSw]
why do you need the tabs -- spaces work too, don't they?
18:53:06 [deltab]
sed doesn't support those \ escapes
18:53:20 [AaronSw]
So how do you do it?
18:53:25 [deltab]
you need to type the tab literally
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which may need ctrl-v first
18:56:02 [AaronSw]
Ah
18:56:09 [deltab]
also, use G to add a blank line
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sed 's/$/<ctrl-v><tab>REJECT/;G'
18:57:06 [deltab]
I'm off to dinner now
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19:01:20 [AaronSw]
hello
19:01:25 [sbp]
hi there
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and what may I ask brings you to this channel, AaronSw?
19:01:37 [AaronSw]
We were making fun of my 6th Grade self in the logs.
19:01:44 [sbp]
great!
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I'll have to tiddly on through them
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what "grade" are you (meant to) be in now?
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10th, I suppose
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heh: 18:20:42 <AaronSw> As I recall he also circled "Sexy" and wrote "Oh my!"
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Heh, "Oh, and maybe we should take a vote on whether Aaron should go away to college ;)"
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ooh:-
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[[[
19:06:24 [sbp]
Dear Sean,
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i'm mystified.
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]]]
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- "Roland Schwaenzl", to <DC-ARCHITECTURE@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>
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I'm also mystified at:-
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[[[
19:07:26 [sbp]
Curiously nobody seems to care that this information a machine get's nowhere - or?
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]]]
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heh: "scripy"
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heh:-
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[[[
19:09:53 [sbp]
If Aaron would quit blowing his time commuting to a "posh" college we might
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get this show back on track!
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]]]
19:10:02 [sbp]
stop commuting, dumbwad!
19:11:12 [sbp]
if we could add triples to teh SWAG-D with a context flag, we could let anyone add data to it, and then if we felt it was spurious, just DELETE (?x, ?y, ?z, someContextFlag)
19:11:23 [AaronSw]
Feel free to code support.
19:11:28 [AaronSw]
What else could I do but commute?
19:12:27 [sbp]
Well, I'd have done it in Python :-) I refactored RDFWiki to allow a similar thing, and RDF Wiki is very similar in what it does now to the SWAG-D, except the SWAG-D is more robust and so forth, 'cause you programmed it. Your bubble gum seems to be harder than my bubble gum
19:12:38 [sbp]
commute: can you work whilst you commute?
19:12:47 [AaronSw]
Well, i read books and things.
19:12:57 [AaronSw]
I could take my laptop, but it's a little heavy.
19:13:03 [sbp]
Bummer
19:13:32 [AaronSw]
maybe I should use the time to do telecons ;)
19:13:37 [sbp]
heh!
19:14:32 [sbp]
perhaps if I hacked up some weird Python invention CGI form type thingymebob, you could host it?
19:14:44 [sbp]
Oh, and another thing: can we have NTriples output on n3tordf?
19:14:56 [AaronSw]
sure, I can host it/
19:15:02 [AaronSw]
N-Triples... I suppose..
19:15:11 [sbp]
do -n3=spart
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set to=ntriples and see if that works
19:15:39 [sbp]
actually, Tim added -ntriples...
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right.
19:16:35 [sbp]
it's sitting there twiddling its thumbs
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Hm.
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O.K., it's going now
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ooh, fireworks
19:17:24 [AaronSw]
where?
19:17:36 [sbp]
outside my window, in a garden oppostie
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wow, cool ones
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bangers, rockets, flares
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wow, kick-ass display
19:19:07 [sbp]
I think that's it
19:19:09 [AaronSw]
cool
19:19:13 [AaronSw]
too bad fireworks are illegal here
19:19:18 [sbp]
ah, it worked: http://swag.webns.net/n3tordf?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2001%2F03%2Fearl%2F0.95&from=rdf&to=ntriples
19:19:19 [AaronSw]
Is it independence day or something?
19:19:21 [Morbus]
anyone know if you can have multiple access files in sendmail?
19:19:26 [sbp]
fireworks are illegal???
19:19:35 [AaronSw]
Yeah.
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Have to go to Wisconsin to get them
19:19:50 [sbp]
wow, bummer
19:20:15 [sbp]
cool spam: Subject: Are your losing sales? fsdf9
19:20:28 [AaronSw]
I keep getting one that's labebeled "GET RICK QUICK SCAM"
19:20:34 [AaronSw]
at least they're honest
19:21:02 [sbp]
heh
19:21:46 [sbp]
anyway, I have to toodle in a min.
19:21:51 [AaronSw]
ok
19:22:16 [sbp]
I may hack up some experimental Python deeley and send stuff to SWAG-Dev
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c'ya
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* AaronSw finishes backup script for swartzfam.com and script to copy it to offsite location.
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A little late, tho... :(
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Hello BenSw
19:46:27 [AaronSw]
School out?
19:46:57 [BenSw]
yes
19:47:37 [BenSw]
HI
19:47:40 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has changed the topic to: I've put my website back together and created nightly backups and offsite bacups.
19:47:48 [AaronSw]
Hi
19:47:56 [Morbus]
is a bacup like a hicup?
19:48:04 [BenSw]
the computer is just slow
19:48:24 [BenSw]
Hi Morbus
19:48:38 [Morbus]
hey
19:48:50 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has changed the topic to: I've put my website back together and created nightly backups and offsite backups.
19:48:58 [AaronSw]
It's what happens after too many hicups.
19:49:18 [Morbus]
yeah, that would make sense. too many hicups help your food come backup
19:50:14 [Morbus]
aaron, what email you at? snding you an email i just sent to someone. kinda fun amphetadesk inside stuff
19:50:26 [AaronSw]
me@aaronsw.com
19:50:31 [Morbus]
hahah!
19:50:37 [Morbus]
its logged! i got you! i finally got you!
19:50:40 [Morbus]
whoo!
19:50:49 [AaronSw]
lol, I don't care?
19:50:57 [AaronSw]
I've already plastered it all over the place
19:50:59 [Morbus]
aw, don't ruin my fun. come on, moan for me, baby.
19:51:16 [AaronSw]
I was going to take it off-log but then i figured, aww, morby will have some fun
19:51:23 [Morbus]
hehehe
19:51:30 [BenSw]
Aaron tivos port 85... right?
19:51:35 [AaronSw]
oh wait, that email address is wrong -- it's morbus@disobey.com
19:51:42 [AaronSw]
Yeah, bensw
19:51:48 [AaronSw]
did you hear? morbus@disobey.com
19:51:57 [Morbus]
sent, aaron. techie at the beginning, but then some fun stuff at the end.
19:51:58 [Morbus]
heh.
19:52:09 [Morbus]
you think your email is everywhere?
19:52:28 [AaronSw]
yeah, when you combine all hundred of them
19:52:30 [Morbus]
ooh. not that bad, actually.
19:52:35 [AaronSw]
google finds it 1190 times
19:52:35 [Morbus]
1190 to 1430 on google.
19:52:40 [Morbus]
hehe
19:52:48 [AaronSw]
plus 836 for my old one
19:53:04 [AaronSw]
and another 139 for a little-used one
19:53:31 [Morbus]
well, see, thats cheating. i've used only one since 1997 :)
19:53:46 [Morbus]
anyways, check out that email.
19:53:52 [AaronSw]
reading it now
19:54:10 [BenSw]
Aaron can you tape survivor Afica on the tivo?
19:54:12 [AaronSw]
Yeah, I've only used mine since like 2000 and i still cream you
19:54:19 [AaronSw]
BenSw, you can do it when you come home.
19:54:40 [BenSw]
no because it will be over by that time
19:54:52 [AaronSw]
ok... remind me in a few mins
19:55:14 [BenSw]
ok
19:58:43 [BenSw]
bah
19:58:55 [BenSw]
my email is on google 4 times
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k
20:05:54 [BenSw]
hello
20:06:47 [AaronSw]
Hi, let's chat in #swartzfam
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can't that would mean restarting cgi irc
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