IRC log of swhack on 2001-10-17

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00:00:22 [AaronSw]
Perhaps it's part of a scheme to drown WAI members in confusion.
00:01:49 [sbp]
oh, that's been going on for years
00:01:56 [AaronSw]
Heh.
00:02:17 [sbp]
I'm wondering what to reply. Don't think I'll beother
00:02:33 [sbp]
er... bother
00:03:18 [sbp]
SXML sounds like a bundle of joy
00:04:31 [Morbus]
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00:05:08 [Morbus]
aaronSw, lemme know when you're around.
00:05:14 [AaronSw]
I am around.
00:05:28 [Morbus]
ok. i'm gonna cvs a new linux.pm for ya
00:05:46 [Morbus]
actually, wait, this will be easier if i just put it here.
00:05:49 [AaronSw]
CVS me up, Scotty!
00:05:51 [Morbus]
change the first line on bookmark_files to:
00:05:57 [Morbus]
return unless $_ =~ /(bookmarks|favorites).htm.$/i;
00:05:57 [Morbus]
00:06:01 [AaronSw]
M modules/OS/Linux.pm
00:06:27 [sbp]
like, "ooh, let's turn XPath into LISP!"
00:06:35 [AaronSw]
:-)
00:07:48 [AaronSw]
What's that supposed to fix, Morbus?
00:08:28 [Morbus]
welp, basically, instead of checking for files that match *.htm first, we only move on IF the file has bookmarks/favorites in it.
00:08:45 [Morbus]
it solves the "run four regexps cos AaronSw has his website junk in here"
00:08:55 [Morbus]
but can potentially find more fositives.
00:09:02 [AaronSw]
Why does it search in backwards alphabetical order?
00:09:15 [AaronSw]
that's confusing -- i thought it was actually going really fast ;)
00:09:15 [Morbus]
i dunno. i didn't code the module that does the actual finding.
00:09:19 [Morbus]
heh
00:10:13 [AaronSw]
It's going reasonably fast, but it'll still take forever.
00:10:30 [AaronSw]
Of course i'm probably the only one who keeps that much junk around, but hey
00:11:22 [Morbus]
well, i keep all my disobey/gamegrene stuff in my home dir, and it takes maybe 3 seconds.
00:11:35 [Morbus]
remove the print statement and then try it.
00:11:58 [Morbus]
that's what i miss in osx. the get info to see how many files in folders
00:12:03 [AaronSw]
How much stuff is that thoug? It's puny
00:12:08 [AaronSw]
This is like 4 GB of data or something
00:12:12 [deltab]
is it always backwards, or is it random order?
00:12:23 [Morbus]
deltab: i dunno. its the file::find module
00:12:40 [deltab]
AaronSw?
00:12:44 [sbp]
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00:13:02 [Morbus]
is it still slow?
00:13:04 [AaronSw]
It seems consistently backwards-alphabetical, at least for the dir with all the website names in it
00:13:43 [AaronSw]
Morbus, how slow is slow?
00:13:45 [Morbus]
zalphabetical, you mean ;)
00:13:49 [AaronSw]
:-)
00:13:57 [Morbus]
well, is it faster than previously? ;)
00:14:04 [AaronSw]
I dunno, it's never finished.
00:14:42 [Morbus]
yeah, my home dir is only 2 megs.
00:14:48 [Morbus]
and it takes about 3 seconds on a dual 450.
00:14:52 [Morbus]
2 gigs, rather.
00:14:52 [deltab]
why search everything?
00:15:09 [AaronSw]
Your home dir is 2 GB?
00:15:11 [Morbus]
because i don't want to depend on the "normal" locations for files.
00:15:17 [Morbus]
yup.
00:15:30 [AaronSw]
And it only takes 2 seconds? weird
00:15:35 [deltab]
why not ask the user?
00:15:44 [Morbus]
i don't want to assume the user is that smart.
00:16:03 [sbp]
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00:16:04 [Morbus]
i asked on the list for bookmark names to test that thought, and i had a few people say they couldn't find them, or that it took them more than 10 minutes.
00:16:09 [Morbus]
that's not friendly software.
00:16:56 [AaronSw]
what list
00:16:56 [AaronSw]
?
00:16:56 [AaronSw]
you don't have to ask them to find the bookmark names
00:16:56 [AaronSw]
you just need to find the defaults and say: "Is this enough? Or should I continue and take 1000 years?"
00:17:09 [Morbus]
just an mList i'm on.
00:17:15 [AaronSw]
mList?
00:17:22 [Morbus]
well, that assumes the user knows that answer.
00:17:25 [deltab]
do other programs access these files? how do they find them?
00:17:28 [AaronSw]
ah, mailing list
00:17:37 [Morbus]
deltab: they're common browser bookmark files.
00:17:42 [AaronSw]
knows the answer? Aren't they going to know what browsers they use?
00:17:57 [deltab]
tell me more about this common browser
00:18:27 [Morbus]
AaronSw: sure, they may not what browsers they use, but if i can't autodetect an opera file (either before or after the 1000 years), then i can't depend on them to know that the name is opera.adr
00:18:55 [Morbus]
the answer to that question assumes a knowledge of the files that the browser uses, not the browser itself.
00:19:21 [Morbus]
deltab: common browsers in the sense of ie, ns, moz, opera, etc.
00:19:51 [Morbus]
or omniweb.
00:21:00 [deltab]
perhaps you could have a function for each of those that looks up where the files are
00:21:22 [Morbus]
that assumes that the file hasn't moved.
00:21:34 [Morbus]
or been renamed, ec.
00:21:48 [Morbus]
i'm trying to be as flexible as possible in the hunt routine.
00:22:12 [AaronSw]
Still churning...
00:22:20 [deltab]
if it has, the browser's not able to access it any more
00:22:57 [AaronSw]
What does the app you're cloning do?
00:22:58 [Morbus]
not if they've specificed it in the browser. some browsers allow you to reconfigure where the file has been stored.
00:23:11 [Morbus]
the app i'm cloning only knows ie and ns. no one else.
00:23:43 [deltab]
that location must be stored somewhere, right?
00:24:08 [Morbus]
right, but then i'd have to figure out how to parse browser config/prefs, and not just browser bookmarks.
00:24:18 [Morbus]
bookmarks are plain text, prefs are most often not.
00:25:33 [deltab]
I'd still try to do that before an exhaustive search
00:25:45 [Morbus]
i don't have the time, deltab. this needs to be done by nov 1st.
00:25:50 [AaronSw]
Morbus, at least give the user a choice
00:26:40 [AaronSw]
Well, I don't care I'll just edit the code so code up new features
00:26:44 [deltab]
make an interface for it, and allow others to provides implementations
00:27:00 [AaronSw]
I'd expect people in my situation know how to edit the code
00:27:08 [Morbus]
others will be able to provide bookmark parsing implementations, and the user can edit the .xml file themselves to point to diff config files.
00:27:36 [Morbus]
like AaronSw could modify syncasaurus.pl to add a file that i haven't found.
00:31:35 [Morbus]
aaron, add this right after the my $home_dir line.
00:31:36 [Morbus]
# if this is OS X, add "Library" onto the $homedir.
00:31:36 [Morbus]
if ($^O eq "darwin") { $home_dir .= "$home_dir/Library"; }
00:31:40 [Morbus]
and try that.
00:32:30 [AaronSw]
thanks
00:33:02 [AaronSw]
OK, it worked
00:33:08 [Morbus]
faster?
00:33:11 [AaronSw]
Real fast.
00:33:16 [AaronSw]
Well, it only found one thing: 1. /System Folder/Preferences/Explorer/Favorites.html
00:33:16 [Morbus]
alright.
00:33:26 [AaronSw]
it found two things last time
00:33:33 [AaronSw]
logster, grep "2. "
00:33:41 [logster]
I'm logging. I found 2 answers for '"2. "'
00:33:42 [logster]
0) 2001-10-17 00:33:33 <AaronSw> logster, grep "2. "
00:33:43 [logster]
1) 2001-10-16 00:48:05 <Morbus> print "2: ", (getpwuid($>))[7], "\n";
00:33:43 [Morbus]
what has it normally found... do you remember what the other was?
00:34:04 [sbp]
heh, heh
00:34:20 [Morbus]
logster, grep "/Users/aarownsw"
00:34:22 [logster]
I'm logging. I found 1 answer for '"/Users/aarownsw"'
00:34:23 [logster]
0) 2001-10-17 00:34:20 <Morbus> logster, grep "/Users/aarownsw"
00:34:26 [Morbus]
goddamit it.
00:34:32 [Morbus]
logster, grep "/Users/aaronsw"
00:34:34 [logster]
I'm logging. I found 1 answer for '"/Users/aaronsw"'
00:34:35 [logster]
0) 2001-10-17 00:34:32 <Morbus> logster, grep "/Users/aaronsw"
00:34:36 [sbp]
lol
00:34:43 [AaronSw]
logister 1\.
00:34:44 [Morbus]
yeah, well, you can burn in hell <g>
00:34:48 [AaronSw]
logister, grep 1\.
00:34:55 [AaronSw]
logister, grep 1\.
00:35:00 [AaronSw]
logster, grep 1\.
00:35:02 [AaronSw]
I'm logging. Sorry, nothing found for '1\. '
00:35:03 [sbp]
logister?
00:35:25 [sbp]
logster, you're an arsehole
00:35:25 [sbp]
I'm logging. I don't understand 'you're an arsehole', sbp. Try /msg logster help
00:35:25 [Morbus]
logster, grep "i suck"
00:35:27 [logster]
I'm logging. I found 1 answer for '"i suck"'
00:35:28 [logster]
0) 2001-10-17 00:35:25 <Morbus> logster, grep "i suck"
00:35:35 [Morbus]
whoo!
00:35:39 [AaronSw]
Ahh, 1. /System Folder/Preferences/iCab Preferences/Hotlist.html
00:36:03 [deltab]
it was 2:
00:36:09 [Morbus]
oh, you know, i took that out today cos i said "hotlist's won't exist on linux". but forgot darwin
00:36:25 [sbp]
perhaps the old #2 is now #1
00:36:27 [Morbus]
AaronSw: modify return unless $_ =~ /(bookmarks|favorites|hotlist).htm.$/i;
00:37:36 [AaronSw]
Still didn't find it.
00:37:58 [deltab]
I think that you shouldn't use quotes in grep commands to the bot
00:38:23 [AaronSw]
Yeah, me too
00:38:54 [AaronSw]
I wonder why it didn't find it.
00:39:02 [Morbus]
yeah, i dunno. i'm testing here.
00:39:05 [deltab]
why htm.$ ? don't you mean html?$ ?
00:39:24 [Morbus]
bwahaha. yeah.
00:39:57 [Morbus]
still didn't find it on my box though
00:41:24 [AaronSw]
Why isn't it finding it... weird
00:42:27 [Morbus]
this shouldn't effect your prob, but there was a stupid bug. replace:
00:42:28 [Morbus]
# if this is OS X, add "Library" onto the $home_dir.
00:42:28 [Morbus]
if ($^O eq "darwin") { $home_dir .= "/Library"; }
00:42:42 [Morbus]
my icab hotlist is stored in my user dir
00:42:51 [AaronSw]
Mine is in my System Folder
00:42:52 [Morbus]
and it found it after fixing that for me.
00:43:29 [AaronSw]
Now it takes longer ;)
00:43:33 [AaronSw]
woo, lots of bookmarks!
00:43:40 [Morbus]
hmm?
00:43:43 [AaronSw]
1. /Users/aaronsw/Library/Preferences/Explorer/Favorites.html
00:43:43 [AaronSw]
2. /Users/aaronsw/Library/OmniWeb/Bookmarks.html
00:43:43 [AaronSw]
3. /Users/aaronsw/Library/Mozilla/Profiles/default/ep7kpqrw.slt/bookmarks.html
00:43:43 [AaronSw]
4. /Users/aaronsw/Library/Application Support/OmniWeb/Bookmarks.html
00:43:43 [AaronSw]
5. /System Folder/Preferences/Explorer/Favorites.html
00:44:06 [AaronSw]
But still no iCab.
00:44:13 [Morbus]
those two omniweb's - same thing?
00:45:33 [AaronSw]
The second one lookslike the real thing.
00:45:44 [Morbus]
AaronSw: i justadded a stub hotlist in my system folder and it found it fine.
00:45:48 [Morbus]
i'll cvs the code.
00:46:34 [Morbus]
its there
00:46:40 [AaronSw]
Hmm, I added a fake one in the system folder and it didn't find it
00:47:22 [AaronSw]
the code you cvsed has a print statement in it
00:47:35 [Morbus]
yeah, you can trash it if you want.
00:47:51 [AaronSw]
well take it out of the final version
00:47:58 [AaronSw]
Whoo, now it found it
00:47:59 [Morbus]
i will. sheesh.
00:48:08 [AaronSw]
Heh 8 bookmars
00:48:14 [AaronSw]
fositive: 8. /System Folder/Help/Windows Media Player Help/htm/toorganizefavorites.htm
00:48:23 [sbp]
Gotta run
00:48:31 [AaronSw]
c'ya
00:49:03 [Morbus]
AaronSw: modify: return unless $_ =~ /^(bookmarks|favorites|hotlist).html?$/i;
00:49:08 [Morbus]
the "^" before everything.
00:49:13 [Morbus]
should catch the 8)
00:49:50 [AaronSw]
Yep, now I'm down to 7
00:50:14 [Morbus]
msg me with them.
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00:51:42 [Morbus]
this should get rid of the false omniweb:
00:51:44 [Morbus]
return if $File::Find::name =~ /$home_dir\/OmniWeb/i;
00:52:12 [AaronSw]
Hmm, I wonder why the old one is there? they must have moved their prefs directory
00:52:29 [AaronSw]
It's harmless really
00:52:39 [Morbus]
you wouldn't have a problem with ath being merged?
00:52:45 [Morbus]
is that a default bm set, or one you used to have?
00:52:50 [AaronSw]
A default set.
00:53:01 [AaronSw]
well, both, i think
00:53:04 [Morbus]
it that was merged in, then it'd be overwritten after the merging
00:53:46 [AaronSw]
Yeah, it's the old location for their prefs
00:53:55 [AaronSw]
it's exactly the same as the new prefs directory
00:54:08 [Morbus]
ok. so then, that can be merged no problem.
00:55:13 [AaronSw]
yep
00:55:22 [Morbus]
k. newest code is cvs'd.
00:55:34 [AaronSw]
the only concern with that is that i wouldn't want my old bookmarks messing up my new ones
00:57:51 [AaronSw]
OK, updated and get the same 7
00:58:15 [Morbus]
yeah, i didn't add the omniweb thing.
00:58:21 [Morbus]
so that's what you should be getting.
00:58:33 [AaronSw]
right
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01:00:28 [AaronSw]
Heh: "Java buzzwords are the premier multi-tier enterprise applications solution! they're the standard in mobile agent-based collaborative networking!"
01:00:39 [sbp]
lol
01:03:37 [sbp]
heh: http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/scoop/dogbert_origin.html
01:05:07 [AaronSw]
Neat.
01:07:04 [Morbus]
adding the ftp connectivity now. woo.
01:07:09 [sbp]
he he: http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2731130011008.gif
01:08:28 [AaronSw]
heh
01:08:34 [sbp]
Scott Adams on a roll: http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2036556011009.gif
01:09:19 [AaronSw]
I dunno what he was talking about, those vintage dogberts are great
01:09:27 [sbp]
yeah
01:14:06 [AaronSw]
Can you figure out why Brian emailed that Dilbert comic to the RDF Core list?
01:14:25 [sbp]
heh, heh, heh: I thought that was brilliant
01:15:00 [AaronSw]
Yeah, but what does it have to do with RDF?
01:15:23 [sbp]
anonymous nodes!
01:15:50 [AaronSw]
Oh... heheh!
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* Not-AaronSw waves
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01:16:38 [Morbus]
heh. cool.
01:16:53 [Morbus]
i just got a book the other day which has a whol earticle on hooking into jabber with perl.
01:17:03 [AaronSw]
What book?
01:17:20 [Morbus]
applied perl
01:17:24 [Morbus]
got it off my wishlist
01:18:23 [AaronSw]
Cool.
01:20:33 [Morbus]
whoo. my ftp code seems to work so far.
01:21:34 [AaronSw]
cool
01:25:27 [AaronSw]
What's that guy in the Simpson's?
01:25:31 [AaronSw]
Duckman?
01:25:46 [AaronSw]
Duckman can't surf... credibility meter falling fast...
01:26:05 [sbp]
WTF are you going on about?
01:26:18 [sbp]
Duffman, you dumbwad
01:26:34 [AaronSw]
Ah, right.
01:26:39 [sbp]
tsk
01:26:47 [AaronSw]
I never saw that episode.
01:27:01 [sbp]
I dunno what his real name is, though. Either "Sid" or "Larry"
01:27:14 [sbp]
there have been two episodes with Duffman, that I can recall
01:27:38 [sbp]
Duffman: Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem.
01:27:47 [sbp]
oh, that was the one with:-
01:27:56 [sbp]
Homer: I'm down to a B-cup!
01:29:35 [AaronSw]
Ah, that reminds me of the c-cup.com site
01:34:47 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw goes on a deleting spree
01:36:11 [deltab]
compress!
01:36:54 [deltab]
do you have fdupes?
01:37:40 [deltab]
fdupes: http://netdial.caribe.net/~adrian2/fdupes.html
01:38:41 [AaronSw]
Yeah, I wrote my own since I couldn't get that to compile
01:38:52 [AaronSw]
But I'm not sure whether to run it over my whole hard drive
01:38:58 [AaronSw]
(wrote it in Py, of course)
01:39:02 [AaronSw]
what does real fdupes do?
01:40:13 [deltab]
a number of cool things
01:40:26 [deltab]
it shows a progress indicator
01:40:39 [deltab]
it allows empty files to be ignored
01:41:34 [deltab]
it can output sets of duplicates on one line, optionally with the first removed (great for piping into xargs)
01:42:07 [AaronSw]
Hm.
01:42:28 [deltab]
and it can be used interactively, prompting you for which of a set to delete, if any
01:42:40 [AaronSw]
I wish it would compile.
01:42:53 [deltab]
yeah, it's cool
01:45:14 [deltab]
why won't it compile?
01:45:22 [AaronSw]
I don't remember...
01:47:21 [AaronSw]
Ahh:
01:47:21 [AaronSw]
fdupes.c:29: header file 'getopt.h' not found
01:48:28 [deltab]
hmm, do you not have that?
01:49:01 [AaronSw]
Just the Python one
01:52:12 [AaronSw]
sbp, is this the book you mentioned? http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-to-external-url/102-6222478-8304915?path=http%3A//s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/exchange-glance/Y02Y3171012Y2429398/qid%3D1003283210/sr%3D1-1
01:52:25 [deltab]
does man getopt say anything?
01:53:01 [AaronSw]
Yeah... it's a shell command
01:53:17 [deltab]
er, man 3 getopt
01:53:28 [sbp]
yes, I think that's the one
01:53:40 [AaronSw]
Yes, man 3 getopt works
01:53:45 [AaronSw]
#include <unistd.h>
01:54:14 [deltab]
good, try that
01:55:00 [AaronSw]
Now I get a lot of warnings
01:55:03 [AaronSw]
and then an error
01:55:16 [AaronSw]
fdupes.c:790: invalid use of undefined type `struct option'
01:55:16 [AaronSw]
fdupes.c:776: storage size of `long_options' isn't known
01:55:16 [AaronSw]
fdupes.c:794: warning: implicit declaration of function `getopt_long'
01:55:16 [AaronSw]
make: *** [fdupes] Error 1
01:56:16 [deltab]
oh, it needs GNU getopt
01:57:19 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw checks fink
01:57:53 [AaronSw]
nope
01:58:31 [sbp]
Gotta run
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01:59:19 [AaronSw]
Hmm, looks like it's in the gnome-libs/support
02:09:00 [AaronSw]
Well, I got myself 324 MB... that's a bunch of breathing room
02:12:27 [Morbus]
whoo hoo.
02:12:31 [Morbus]
my ftp code is owrking nice
02:13:00 [deltab]
heh, i'm lucky if I have 324 kb
02:13:16 [AaronSw]
Buy another HD, deltab, it's not a laptop, is it?
02:14:00 [deltab]
no, but the internal case design is crummy
02:14:16 [AaronSw]
So it can hang out the side. Works for my tiVo ;)
02:14:27 [deltab]
there are three 5.25" bays, but only two are reachable by IDE cable
02:15:41 [deltab]
thanks partly to a big metal plate under the second one that extends across to the power supply
02:16:36 [deltab]
oh, and you need three hands to do anything to the drives
02:17:14 [AaronSw]
You have that, right? Perhaps you should just buy another one...
02:17:39 [deltab]
another computer? yeah, I plan to when I'm assured of an income
02:18:01 [AaronSw]
No, another hand.
02:18:22 [AaronSw]
;-)
02:19:07 [AaronSw]
I should've gotten the 48GB drive for this thing.
02:19:40 [Morbus]
AaronSw: you wanna try this ftp code?
02:19:47 [AaronSw]
sure
02:19:58 [Morbus]
just to let you know what's happening.
02:20:19 [Morbus]
if the path doesn't exist, the code will create it. it will not delete it when it's through.
02:20:24 [Morbus]
it will upload one file into path, called lockfile.userftp
02:20:28 [Morbus]
this file is then deleted.
02:20:30 [Morbus]
that's all the ftp code does.
02:20:43 [Morbus]
i've tested it on existing directories as well, with no problems
02:20:48 [AaronSw]
does it email you my password
02:20:50 [AaronSw]
?
02:21:00 [Morbus]
no, i've disabled that in this version.
02:21:04 [AaronSw]
:-)
02:21:11 [deltab]
haha
02:21:13 [Morbus]
:)
02:21:18 [AaronSw]
well, let me know when you commit
02:21:24 [Morbus]
yup. in a minute or so
02:21:27 [AaronSw]
and i'll grep for morbus@disobey.com
02:21:35 [Morbus]
hmm?
02:21:39 [Morbus]
oh. hehehe.
02:21:45 [Morbus]
you'll find one instance ;)
02:22:25 [Morbus]
oh. poo. hold on.
02:22:28 [Morbus]
welp, it's gonna be longer
02:22:40 [Morbus]
i tested this all under the mac. haven't migrated the code to the other OS's yet
02:22:51 [AaronSw]
oh
02:23:03 [Morbus]
nother five minutes
02:23:50 [AaronSw]
Great photos: http://www.harrumph.com/baybridge.html
02:30:14 [Morbus]
sigh. i hate cvs
02:30:16 [Morbus]
:)
02:30:32 [AaronSw]
heh
02:30:44 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw updates
02:30:47 [AaronSw]
should I run it yet?
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02:32:12 [AaronSw]
'lo
02:32:23 [sbp]
'i
02:32:30 [sbp]
* sbp comes up with a cool new plan
02:33:02 [Morbus]
'
02:33:05 [AaronSw]
Oh, duh! I forgot to empty the trash!
02:33:07 [Morbus]
alright. i think you can do it now
02:33:14 [AaronSw]
what is it now, sbp?
02:33:18 [Morbus]
yeah. should be all set for ya AaronSw
02:33:24 [AaronSw]
ok
02:33:32 [Morbus]
you may have to change linefeeds. i dunno if i did.
02:33:51 [AaronSw]
Hmm, no changes since last update.
02:33:58 [sbp]
ah, practical step #1 has been completed
02:34:05 [sbp]
the rest will take quite a while
02:34:05 [Morbus]
? almost every file was changed.
02:34:22 [AaronSw]
Yeah, I updated back when you said "I hate CVS"
02:34:29 [AaronSw]
no changes since then
02:34:43 [Morbus]
ah. there should be a new folder called Transport/FTP.pm then
02:34:50 [Morbus]
just added that a sec ago
02:35:06 [Morbus]
modules/Transport/FTP.pm rather
02:35:12 [AaronSw]
Ah, need to do cvs with some special option
02:35:53 [AaronSw]
-d
02:36:04 [AaronSw]
grr, you and your line feeds
02:36:22 [Morbus]
sorry.
02:36:33 [Morbus]
i test on the mac before anything else, since that has the lowest perl version.
02:36:47 [AaronSw]
that's weird... there's nothing in the file at all
02:37:26 [AaronSw]
ahh, here we go
02:37:44 [AaronSw]
Name "Log::Simple::Config" used only once: possible typo at ./Syncasaurus.pl line 34.
02:37:44 [AaronSw]
Undefined subroutine &Log::Simple::slog called at ./Syncasaurus.pl line 74.
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02:38:05 [Morbus]
linefeeds.
02:38:12 [Morbus]
i'll fix em and recvs/.
02:38:30 [Morbus]
maybe that'll fix the ftp.pm emptiness too
02:39:16 [Morbus]
done
02:41:45 [AaronSw]
ok
02:43:29 [AaronSw]
if i pick an invalid ftp server it takes a long time and then i get:
02:43:32 [AaronSw]
Can't call method "put" on an undefined value at modules//Transport/FTP.pm line 125, <STDIN> line 5.
02:43:40 [Morbus]
yeah, it times out after 120 seconds.
02:43:54 [deltab]
hmm, double slash?
02:44:00 [AaronSw]
hmm
02:44:02 [AaronSw]
A nicer error message might be good.
02:44:04 [Morbus]
i'll be adding "you're an idiot" code in a bit.
02:44:14 [AaronSw]
OK, thanks.
02:44:45 [Morbus]
deltab: double slash prolly comes from: use lib './modules/'; # Add our local lib. #
02:45:03 [deltab]
thought so
02:45:50 [Morbus]
on a valid server, did it work?
02:47:01 [AaronSw]
yep, but it didn't create the directory
02:47:32 [Morbus]
but you didn't get an error back?
02:47:42 [AaronSw]
Nope
02:47:46 [Morbus]
right, actually you wouldn't.
02:47:51 [Morbus]
check yoru syncasaurus.log file.
02:47:52 [AaronSw]
We'll now try a simple connection to your server... successful!
02:47:59 [Morbus]
does it say anything about "creating" a folder for the user?
02:48:09 [AaronSw]
can you give these files different names?
02:48:18 [AaronSw]
[2001-10-17 02:47:47] wizard: Displaying introduction and ftp choice.
02:48:18 [AaronSw]
[2001-10-17 02:47:48] wizard: User has chosen to use their own FTP server.
02:48:20 [AaronSw]
[2001-10-17 02:48:08] wizard: Finalizing the configuration.
02:48:45 [Morbus]
k
02:51:50 [Morbus]
AaronSw: what path had you given it? multiple like /a/b/?
02:51:54 [Morbus]
or single like /a/
02:52:11 [AaronSw]
Path where bookmarks should be stored: /home/aswartz/bookmarks/
02:52:22 [AaronSw]
in the XML:
02:52:22 [AaronSw]
<path>home/aswartz/bookmarks/</path>
02:53:03 [Morbus]
do me a favor and try typing the /, so the screen looks like //home/
02:53:12 [Morbus]
and /home/aswartz exists?
02:53:15 [AaronSw]
Yes
02:53:29 [AaronSw]
I did type the slash
02:53:42 [Morbus]
if you did, it should have showed up in the config...
02:53:53 [Morbus]
hmm.
02:54:05 [AaronSw]
Oh, never mind
02:54:08 [AaronSw]
I guess i didn't
02:55:15 [AaronSw]
We'll now try a simple connection to your server... failed!
02:55:15 [AaronSw]
A connection was not possible. Perhaps you mistyped?
02:55:40 [AaronSw]
We'll now try a simple connection to your server...getsockname() on closed socket Symbol::GEN0 at /System/Library/Perl/darwin/IO/Socket.pm line 186, <STDIN> line 9.
02:55:40 [AaronSw]
Use of uninitialized value in split at /Library/Perl/Net/FTP.pm line 754, <STDIN> line 9.
02:55:40 [AaronSw]
failed!
02:55:41 [AaronSw]
A connection was not possible. Perhaps you mistyped?
02:57:24 [AaronSw]
OK, with the double slash it worked
02:57:40 [Morbus]
k. i'm removing the slash from the instructions.
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03:19:54 [sbp]
do you write emails with your IRC chatty voice, or your New Yorker specification voice? or somewhere in between?
03:20:25 [AaronSw]
New Yawker spehcifihcations?
03:23:59 [sbp]
heh
03:24:11 [AaronSw]
Was that a real question?
03:25:11 [sbp]
yeah
03:25:26 [AaronSw]
I dunno, you tell me. What does it sound like?
03:26:14 [sbp]
I dunno, you tell me. What do you write like?
03:26:25 [AaronSw]
How am I supposed to know?
03:26:37 [AaronSw]
Do you think I have time to read all the messages I write? Pleeease.
03:26:54 [sbp]
heh!
03:31:20 [AaronSw]
Seen elsewhere: "My sister and her husband briefly joined the Saturn family. Went to barbeques and everything. I thought they had been taken over by pod people."
03:31:50 [sbp]
what?!
03:32:28 [AaronSw]
You guys have Saturns on the Island?
03:32:45 [AaronSw]
http://www.saturnbp.com/
03:33:40 [sbp]
ah, yeah. I recall a Simpsons quote about them now
03:33:47 [sbp]
pod people?
03:34:09 [AaronSw]
aliens
03:34:22 [AaronSw]
They come in pods to Earth.
03:34:27 [sbp]
aha. You're just Mr. Enlightenment tonight
03:34:37 [AaronSw]
:-)
03:34:44 [sbp]
do you come in pocket form?
03:34:53 [AaronSw]
Depends on what size pocket you have.
03:34:59 [sbp]
"let me just consult my Aaron"
03:35:18 [sbp]
who needs Google!
03:35:32 [AaronSw]
Umm, well I do.
03:35:39 [AaronSw]
:-)
03:35:45 [sbp]
aha, the secret of your pwer is revealed...
03:35:51 [AaronSw]
My pwer? Indeed.
03:36:04 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw has Super Google Powers!
03:36:08 [sbp]
I'm slwly eliminating vwels
03:36:12 [AaronSw]
k
03:36:22 [AaronSw]
y kk
03:36:29 [sbp]
prn?
03:36:35 [AaronSw]
y kk
03:36:39 [sbp]
h
03:36:47 [AaronSw]
ll
03:36:50 [AaronSw]
LL!
03:37:06 [sbp]
gt tht, t lst
03:37:24 [AaronSw]
prdn?
03:37:34 [sbp]
anyway, that's why I sd "slwly elimination vwels"
03:37:44 [deltab]
y dts
03:37:56 [AaronSw]
I thought it was eliminating
03:38:03 [AaronSw]
prdn, dltb?
03:38:35 [sbp]
Gtt rn
03:38:43 [sbp]
c'y
03:38:52 [AaronSw]
by
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04:25:26 [sbp]
ha, I win quote of the week: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2001OctDec/0113
04:26:46 [sbp]
hello?
04:26:58 [AaronSw]
Ouch.
04:27:03 [AaronSw]
That got my attention
04:27:07 [sbp]
:-)
04:27:28 [sbp]
there's nothing better for getting someone's attention than deopping them
04:27:38 [sbp]
or throwing a glass of water at them
04:27:45 [sbp]
or both
04:27:49 [AaronSw]
Heheh.
04:27:57 [AaronSw]
I'm feeling boxed-in now.
04:28:13 [sbp]
how so?
04:28:20 [AaronSw]
Trapped in a small IRC room.
04:28:24 [AaronSw]
With no ops.
04:28:31 [sbp]
ah
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there you go
04:29:09 [sbp]
perfect
04:29:18 [AaronSw]
Heh
04:30:27 [sbp]
there
04:31:08 [sbp]
anyway, thanks for the one-syllable rants
04:31:14 [sbp]
and 'night
04:31:14 [AaronSw]
no prob
04:31:17 [sbp]
c'ya
04:31:20 [AaronSw]
cya
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topic is: The room where we ask Morbo^Hus his music tastes, just for a laugh
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LOL @ http://www-uk.hpl.hp.com/people/jjc/snail/
13:32:43 [AaronSw]
Quite funny.
13:43:14 [AaronSw]
Heh, the ultimate in date-stamped pages:
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"""
13:43:35 [AaronSw]
When I say "the title of http://history.org/1492 is 'Christopher Columbus goes to America',"
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""" - http://www.w3.org/Architecture/state
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ugh, as my mail crawls to a halt...
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come on, download, download!
15:18:46 [sbp]
heh, that email to WAI IG is quite funny
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'lo
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'l
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it's so lonely without sbp.
17:51:58 [Morbus]
:)
17:52:04 [AaronSw]
Heh.
17:58:51 [AaronSw]
Heh: "Sleep is defeat. Anthrax poisoning is no excuse."
17:59:23 [Morbus]
heh.
18:23:15 [AaronSw]
Good unschooling article: http://www.reason.com/0110/fe.dp.schools.html
18:24:00 [Morbus]
AaronSw, you know a guy named Steve Yost from OuickTopic?
18:24:05 [AaronSw]
Yep.
18:24:21 [AaronSw]
QuickTopic
18:24:27 [Morbus]
ah. ok. he and i have been having big discussiosn concerning amphetadesk and quicktopic.
18:24:39 [Morbus]
i had actually seen the quicktopic thread a few weeks ago when i was doing a google search on ampheta.
18:24:39 [AaronSw]
Oh, what're you discussing?
18:24:41 [Morbus]
he emailed this morning.
18:24:59 [Morbus]
well, mostly how he's working on a threadML sort of thing to add to RSS and he's presenting it at p2p.
18:25:08 [Morbus]
and how does amphetadesk handle html, and so on and so forth
18:25:11 [AaronSw]
Him, David Weinberger and I were going to work on ThreadsML.
18:25:18 [AaronSw]
Has it developed further?
18:25:18 [Morbus]
yeah, dave's on the cc too.
18:25:31 [Morbus]
welp, check this out: http://www.quicktopic.com/7/H/rhSrjkWgjnvRq.rss
18:26:36 [AaronSw]
Weird, I must have fallen off the CC!
18:26:36 [AaronSw]
That sucks.
18:26:36 [AaronSw]
I thought it had died.
18:27:06 [Morbus]
well, the discussion on the site seems to have died, but he emailed me, david w, and the guy from yahoo this morning.
18:30:20 [AaronSw]
So he's going to be at P2PCon?
18:30:37 [Morbus]
yup.
18:31:34 [AaronSw]
Now I really have to go there...
18:31:39 [Morbus]
:)
18:31:53 [Morbus]
he said if o'reilly didn't post a transcript he would and would let me know
18:32:08 [AaronSw]
Ahh, here: http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/p2pweb2001/view/e_sess/2125
18:46:10 [AaronSw]
Cool: http://www.notifymail.com/
18:46:46 [Morbus]
thats like mailtothefuture.com
18:47:35 [AaronSw]
Huh? Not at all.
18:47:40 [Morbus]
what are your feelings about html in rss feeds?
18:47:50 [Morbus]
yeah, i realized that. hope you wouldnt notice.
18:47:54 [AaronSw]
Heh.
18:47:59 [AaronSw]
I think it should go in the content module. ;)
18:48:03 [Morbus]
heh. ok. good. :)
18:48:09 [AaronSw]
Why?
18:48:17 [Morbus]
well, steves gonna strip html from the feed.
18:48:22 [Morbus]
i pointed him to mod_content
18:48:27 [AaronSw]
I helped design the ThreadsML RSS 1.0, remember. ;)
18:48:33 [AaronSw]
And the content module.
18:48:46 [Morbus]
yeah, i know.
18:48:53 [Morbus]
i just don't reminding you.
18:49:55 [AaronSw]
Huh?
18:50:01 [Morbus]
nevermind.
18:50:13 [Morbus]
my brain is moving faster than my fingers. youre the second person i've left words out of to.
18:50:20 [AaronSw]
I do that too. :)
18:50:38 [Morbus]
then you'll sympathize ;)
18:50:44 [AaronSw]
Hmm, I can almost read the text on the RTF icon...
18:50:56 [Morbus]
hmm?
18:51:08 [Morbus]
oh, uner osx?
18:51:10 [AaronSw]
Yep.
18:51:45 [AaronSw]
"A boy once lived in .... in a gnac towak now ... lonfon fo his life was great tat is until he met a girl and chess labor begun to find love in racer of the kiss is all the things that he loved to go angkad what is it say in a gnac tour londohis.... "it just repeats
18:54:10 [Morbus]
heh
18:54:14 [Morbus]
you've got too much spare time.
18:54:22 [Morbus]
there's a new ag out. v1.4 for the mac
18:54:30 [AaronSw]
MacAddict had a contest out for funniest translation.
18:54:47 [Morbus]
heh
18:54:52 [Morbus]
i haven't gotten macaddict in a while. still good?
18:54:58 [AaronSw]
Yeah, I think so.
18:55:04 [Morbus]
i have issue 1 ;)
18:55:06 [AaronSw]
Perhaps not as good...
18:55:11 [AaronSw]
Aww, I want issue 1.
18:55:26 [Morbus]
phbbt. i'll cam it for you so you're jealous. i still have the cds too :)
18:56:17 [Morbus]
/phbbt/pfffff/
18:56:49 [AaronSw]
:)
18:57:42 [Morbus]
i told steve i doubt ampheta will ever support the content module.
18:58:01 [Morbus]
wait, that needs clarification.
18:58:33 [Morbus]
i told steve that "i hate html in my feeds. i won't push html in title or description, and i doubt i'll supprt the content module".
18:58:39 [Morbus]
yeah, that makes a little more sense.
18:58:50 [cdlu]
[GlobalNotice] Services are down. They'll be up in a moment. Usual splitting, sorry.
18:58:59 [Morbus]
before you could infer that "morbus thinks html should be outside the content module". that's not what i mean.t
18:59:30 [Morbus]
Morbus has changed the topic to: inferrants, inflections, intentions, oh my!
18:59:45 [AaronSw]
Ah, I see.
19:00:15 [AaronSw]
Hmmph, why can't Mail.app have a simple "get new mail" applescript option
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topic is: inferrants, inflections, intentions, oh my!
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'lo
19:02:12 [sbp]
'i
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'i
19:02:22 [sbp]
'?
19:02:33 [Morbus]
* Morbus runs away screaming!
19:03:05 [Morbus]
how's life?
19:03:35 [sbp]
same as usual: writing stuff, emailing people, worrying about things, watching T.V.
19:03:42 [sbp]
talking to you guys
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you?
19:04:53 [Morbus]
doing mundane monkey work on djcdesign.com
19:04:53 [AaronSw]
I can't believe Mail has so many stupid things you can script (like the color of a single character) buy uou can't check your freaking mail!
19:05:10 [sbp]
lol
19:05:22 [Morbus]
hehe
19:05:46 [Morbus]
poor poor aaron. doesnt he realize that sending html email is better and more common than actually checking it?
19:05:55 [AaronSw]
Heh.
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* AaronSw curses AppleScript and it's stupid English syntax
19:08:18 [AaronSw]
this is a line of code: set this_message to make new compose message at beginning of every compose message
19:09:01 [Morbus]
i know 0 as.
19:12:55 [AaronSw]
OK, I give up with that.
19:13:01 [sbp]
Gotta run
19:13:05 [AaronSw]
c'ya
19:13:27 [Morbus]
no, aaron, you don't give up. set inspiration_level to make new failure at end of patience
19:13:34 [Morbus]
:)
19:13:37 [AaronSw]
:-)
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Hi sbp
19:46:17 [sbp]
Hi AaronSw
19:47:42 [sbp]
* sbp plays some Zep - "Nobody's Fault But Mine"
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from Presence
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* AaronSw listens to some Tom Mabe
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Hi Ben
20:00:51 [AaronSw]
Hi Ben
20:01:05 [AaronSw]
You weren't on earlier this morning, now were you?
20:02:07 [AaronSw]
Earth to BenSw... Your client broken?
20:03:33 [BenSw]
no.. why?
20:03:41 [AaronSw]
Ah, he speaks!
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he goes!
20:04:46 [AaronSw]
Well, that was quick.
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Hi
20:06:04 [BenSw]
hello
20:06:05 [sbp]
Hi
20:06:10 [sbp]
wb
20:06:13 [AaronSw]
Welcome back
20:06:32 [BenSw]
ohh i guess irc cgi does work after all
20:06:38 [AaronSw]
Yes, I suppose it does.
20:07:06 [sbp]
heh: un.impressive.net - that Gerald
20:07:16 [BenSw]
It messed up before
20:07:40 [AaronSw]
It gets a little confused if you try to join more than 1 channel
20:07:59 [BenSw]
Ahhh
20:08:40 [BenSw]
No wonder i was on Swartzfam
20:08:46 [AaronSw]
Ah.
20:10:08 [BenSw]
Hmmm
20:10:17 [BenSw]
Can you fix that?
20:13:31 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw heads off
20:13:46 [sbp]
c'ya
20:14:11 [BenSw]
cya sbp
20:14:13 [BenSw]
cya sbp
20:14:27 [sbp]
you going too?
20:14:40 [BenSw]
no
20:14:57 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw returns
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ah, that was quick
20:15:25 [sbp]
testing your away thing, still?
20:16:13 [AaronSw]
What happened?
20:16:15 [AaronSw]
I got disconnected somehow...
20:16:21 [Matt]
[GlobalSpam] We're going to try and restart services. There'll be a few splits... nothing to worry about
20:16:25 [AaronSw]
No.
20:16:36 [sbp]
oh, it said "AaronSw heads off" so I presumed that you buggered off
20:16:39 [AaronSw]
BenSw, still here?
20:16:51 [AaronSw]
Actually, I had... I went to reboot the tiVo.
20:17:04 [BenSw]
cool
20:17:06 [BenSw]
cool
20:17:07 [sbp]
Ah
20:18:29 [sbp]
Store guy: Take this Frogurt, but beware: it carries a terrible curse
20:18:42 [sbp]
er...
20:18:48 [sbp]
s/Frogurt/doll
20:18:59 [sbp]
Homer: Ooh, that's bad
20:19:10 [sbp]
Store guy: But it comes with a free Frogurt!
20:19:17 [sbp]
Homer: Ooh, that's good!
20:19:24 [sbp]
Store guy: The Frogurt is also cursed
20:19:28 [sbp]
Homer: Ooh, that's bad
20:19:34 [BenSw]
Homer: No t.v. and no beer make homer something something
20:19:40 [sbp]
Store guy: But it comes with a choice of topping
20:19:47 [sbp]
Homer: Ooh, that's good
20:19:52 [sbp]
Marge: Go crazy?
20:19:57 [sbp]
Homer: Don't mind if I do
20:20:01 [BenSw]
What do you mean NY
20:20:13 [sbp]
Store guy: the toppings contain potassium benzoate
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Homer: [stares blankly]
20:20:26 [sbp]
Store guy: That's bad
20:20:31 [sbp]
Homer: Can I go now?
20:20:33 [BenSw]
it working
20:21:54 [BenSw]
Sbp look at the one hour special of Buffy.
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I wouldn't dare
20:22:18 [AaronSw]
Hi Morbus.
20:22:26 [AaronSw]
logster, grep Morbus.*boxer
20:22:29 [logster]
I'm logging. I found 3 answers for 'Morbus.*boxer'
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0) 2001-10-17 20:22:26 <AaronSw> logster, grep Morbus.*boxer
20:22:31 [logster]
1) 2001-09-21 02:43:31 <Morbus> i do everything in boxers
20:22:32 [logster]
2) 2001-09-21 02:43:31 <Morbus> i do everything in boxers
20:22:32 [BenSw]
Hey Morbus
20:22:37 [sbp]
lol
20:22:40 [AaronSw]
What do the people at work say?
20:22:45 [Morbus]
heheh...
20:22:50 [Morbus]
well, i'm not in boxers now :)
20:23:01 [sbp]
stop doing things, then!
20:23:10 [BenSw]
aaron how do I thumbs down a show?
20:23:18 [AaronSw]
Beats me.
20:23:36 [Morbus]
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20:23:53 [sbp]
ah, netsplits
20:23:53 [Morbus]
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20:23:55 [BenSw]
is the tv on?
20:24:02 [sbp]
wb, Morby
20:24:17 [Morbus]
hey, you left, not me ;0
20:24:21 [sbp]
:-)
20:24:22 [BenSw]
wb
20:25:16 [AaronSw]
BenSw, yeah.
20:25:24 [BenSw]
cool
20:25:47 [BenSw]
go down there and watch the master
20:25:55 [AaronSw]
I've got other things to do.
20:26:00 [sbp]
the master?
20:26:24 [BenSw]
I can do virtually anything... just watch
20:27:15 [AaronSw]
Please no.
20:27:20 [sbp]
heh, heh
20:27:23 [Morbus]
good article: http://webtechniques.com/archives/2001/10/fraser/
20:27:42 [BenSw]
I just thumbed up Inspecter gadget 3 times
20:27:51 [Morbus]
do do do dooo.
20:27:55 [Morbus]
weeee oh weeeoh
20:28:04 [Morbus]
inspecter gadget!
20:28:21 [sbp]
* sbp is glad he's playing "Misty Mountain Hop" else he'd be singing the Inspector Gadget song
20:28:34 [Morbus]
htey play it on powerpuff fm a lot :)
20:28:43 [sbp]
heh, heh
20:28:53 [BenSw]
da da da da da da inspector gadget dadadadadaada dada
20:29:12 [BenSw]
dadadadadada inspector gadget dadadaddada da da
20:29:20 [sbp]
he he he
20:31:28 [BenSw]
switching cgi ircs
20:33:23 [Morbus]
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20:33:30 [AaronSw]
http?
20:33:32 [http]
http is now known as Morbus
20:33:38 [AaronSw]
must be some joke in evolt
20:33:43 [Morbus]
heheh. whistle, whistle.
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20:34:20 [sbp]
*** Now talking in #evolt
20:34:20 [sbp]
<sbp> stop messing about in here!
20:34:34 [Morbus]
rock on with yo bad self ;)
20:35:02 [BenSw]
what do you mean register aaron
20:35:19 [AaronSw]
When'd I say register?
20:39:08 [Morbus]
why is it that geeks are so much uglier than me? am i truly an adonis?
20:40:03 [sbp]
"When The Levee Breaks"
20:40:17 [AaronSw]
Perhaps just a narccissist?
20:42:39 [AaronSw]
;-)
20:42:59 [sbp]
* sbp seconds that
20:44:57 [sbp]
Gotta run
20:45:01 [AaronSw]
c'ya
20:45:22 [Morbus]
ciao
20:47:15 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw heads off
20:47:22 [Morbus]
fine!
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* AaronSw returns
20:51:01 [Morbus]
you hear about how applescript can work over the net? i coudl applescript something off your box from mine?
20:51:18 [AaronSw]
Sorry, what happened.
20:51:28 [AaronSw]
My computer just did that halting thing and then I crashed it.
20:51:37 [Morbus]
oh.
20:51:41 [Morbus]
that's not good.
20:51:48 [AaronSw]
Yeah.
20:51:58 [AaronSw]
What a fun security hole! :-)
20:52:00 [AaronSw]
It's been like that for years.
20:52:02 [AaronSw]
What isn't?
20:52:04 [AaronSw]
You have to turn it on in the sharing control panel in OS 9
20:52:22 [Morbus]
oh. didn't know that.
20:52:28 [Morbus]
i never installed sharing in os 9 ;)
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20:56:38 [Bensw2]
Hello
20:56:52 [Morbus]
Hell
20:57:31 [Bensw2]
Aaron the blog space cgi irc doenst work for me
20:57:40 [AaronSw]
Hmm, oh well
20:59:03 [Bensw2]
Aaron can you kick benSw
20:59:14 [AaronSw]
Did you register your nick?
20:59:17 [Bensw2]
nevermond
20:59:29 [Morbus]
i didn't register mine. i have no flipping clue how to do any of that stuff.
21:00:19 [deltab]
kicking bensw from this channel won't let you use that nick
21:00:43 [Bensw2]
Free Buffy on our Tivo :-)
21:01:10 [AaronSw]
Shut up Ben.
21:01:21 [AaronSw]
:-)
21:03:08 [Morbus]
vwagagaga
21:03:11 [Morbus]
last para of http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2818155,00.html
21:04:11 [AaronSw]
Heheh.
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21:08:23 [Morbus]
http://www.reuters.com/printerfriendly.jhtml?type=humannews&StoryID=297117
21:09:17 [Bensw2]
k
21:12:47 [Bensw2]
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21:14:37 [Morbus]
anyone tried movable type yet?
21:14:47 [Bensw]
cya all
21:15:03 [AaronSw]
bye
21:15:10 [AaronSw]
not yet, morb
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21:15:13 [Morbus]
it exports rss by default'
21:15:20 [Morbus]
once i get syncasaurus finished, i'll prolly fiddle
21:17:44 [Morbus]
heh. http://www.mines.edu/students/b/bolmstea/randlang/
21:23:59 [AaronSw]
Hmm, where's the script that gets executed on login?
21:24:38 [Morbus]
hmm?
21:24:46 [Morbus]
oh. in tsch, it's ~/.login
21:24:59 [Morbus]
or, create /Library/init/tcsh something or other.
21:25:01 [Morbus]
its at home.
21:25:21 [AaronSw]
I'm in bash
21:25:30 [Morbus]
isn't it .bashrc
21:25:37 [AaronSw]
I thought so...
21:25:53 [AaronSw]
but it doesn't seem to execute
21:27:08 [AaronSw]
Oh, weird. I am running tcsh
21:27:15 [AaronSw]
Why is that...
21:27:37 [AaronSw]
Hmm, no I'm not.
21:36:55 [deltab]
in bash, .profile, .bash_profile, and .bash_login
21:37:13 [Morbus]
i thought profile was just for aliases and env stuff.
21:37:17 [deltab]
.bashrc isn't run directly
21:37:19 [AaronSw]
Ahh, profile -- that's what it was.
21:37:28 [Morbus]
maybe i got the too flipflopped
21:38:33 [deltab]
the bash documnetation has the full story
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22:02:17 [AaronSw]
Hi there
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22:07:10 [sbp]
I've reconsidered: I think that your homepage is better designed than DanC's. It has more of a completed air behind it, rather than being a mess of links
22:07:26 [AaronSw]
Ah, thanks.
22:07:30 [sbp]
So I give your homepage the five gold stars "top homepage of the Web" award
22:07:34 [AaronSw]
Yay!
22:07:40 [AaronSw]
Done with that piece yet?
22:07:47 [sbp]
I've also been working out the average sizes for homepages
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I figure that 9-10KB is about right
22:08:03 [sbp]
Hugo's page is cloest to the average
22:08:03 [AaronSw]
Hmm.
22:08:07 [sbp]
not done yet
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22:17:57 [sbp]
Hi Morby
22:18:12 [Morbus]
hey there
22:18:16 [AaronSw]
Hello
22:18:41 [Morbus]
was planning on playing with mt tonight, but couldn't get image::size or html::templateinstalled in time
22:18:57 [AaronSw]
Can't you just grab them from CPAN?
22:19:24 [Morbus]
right, that's the thing. my cpan stuff was all screwed up on the disobey box - url's out of date, etc.
22:21:02 [AaronSw]
yuck
22:21:22 [AaronSw]
You couldn't even do a self-update?
22:21:25 [Morbus]
yeah, was a pain in the ass.
22:21:37 [Morbus]
well, i was able to grab the newest cpan, after much hassle, but even that didn't help
22:21:44 [Morbus]
i have to reconfigure my urls. just didn't have time too
22:21:48 [AaronSw]
pah
22:21:48 [sbp]
man, it's so difficult to draw cartoons on a PC
22:22:05 [AaronSw]
Ooh, cartoons.
22:23:33 [sbp]
in fact, it's bloody impossible. I need a scanner!
22:24:09 [AaronSw]
You could mail them to me, and I could scan them. ;)
22:24:19 [sbp]
heh!
22:24:20 [AaronSw]
Or you could get a tablet for your computer.
22:24:27 [Morbus]
or a webcam.
22:24:34 [AaronSw]
or a digital camera
22:24:35 [sbp]
I could fax them to myself, using eFax
22:24:41 [Morbus]
there ya go.
22:24:44 [AaronSw]
You have a fax machine?
22:24:55 [AaronSw]
Or you could just give in, like explodingdog.com ;)
22:24:59 [sbp]
yeah
22:25:34 [AaronSw]
LOL @ http://explodingdog.com/august6/computersknow.html
22:25:34 [AaronSw]
I love exploding dog
22:26:42 [sbp]
wow, he *did* give in
22:27:01 [Morbus]
what dya mean?
22:27:21 [AaronSw]
He's well-loved. His artwork is great.
22:27:46 [sbp]
Gotta run
22:27:57 [AaronSw]
He's doing some cool stuff: http://explodingdog.com/august6/decicions.html
22:29:30 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has changed the topic to: red robot world domination
22:29:41 [AaronSw]
CRUSH ALL HUMANS!
22:32:11 [AaronSw]
Heheh: http://www.dieselsweeties.com/strips/sw55.shtml
22:34:24 [AaronSw]
LOL! http://www.dieselsweeties.com/strips/sw71.shtml
22:37:04 [Morbus]
heh.
22:37:04 [Morbus]
>As you may or may not have figured out, I'm the co-editor of Gamegrene.
22:37:05 [Morbus]
>To use a Star Trek analogy, I get to take the bridge when Captain Morbus is
22:37:05 [Morbus]
>off seducing alien women.
22:37:05 [Morbus]
>
22:37:05 [Morbus]
>Which is often.
22:38:34 [AaronSw]
Heheh, where's that from?
22:39:17 [Morbus]
an email.
22:49:38 [AaronSw]
Hmm, see this Mac OS X security alert?
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1. Open up the Terminal.app
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2. Quit it.
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3. Open up NetInfo Manager (leave it in the foreground)
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4. Open up Terminal.app from the *RECENT ITEMS* list in the Apple
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Menu.
22:50:11 [AaronSw]
weird.
22:50:16 [Morbus]
yup
22:52:17 [Morbus]
sigh. my desire to code is being overwritten by the desire to play with others code.
22:53:18 [AaronSw]
Heh.
22:54:06 [AaronSw]
I keep getting distracted.
22:54:10 [AaronSw]
Ooh, what's that game...
23:02:16 [AaronSw]
Aha, this is why Dan Connolly hates import *: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Oct/0338.html
23:08:51 [deltab]
er... bash reads .bashrc sometimes - see the manpage for details
23:12:18 [AaronSw]
Yeah, for some reason it reads it when I call it, but not when my Terminal runs it
23:13:32 [AaronSw]
So I just wrote a stub file that calls bash and used it as my shell
23:14:05 [Morbus]
and you've got your shell set as bash within the passwd file?
23:14:17 [AaronSw]
No...
23:14:24 [AaronSw]
Should I?
23:14:39 [Morbus]
well, whatever is in there is what shell you're assigned when you get into a terminal
23:14:41 [AaronSw]
Oh, right, OS X ignores /etc/passwd
23:14:46 [Morbus]
you should be able to change it from netinfop
23:14:50 [Morbus]
netinfo, rather
23:15:07 [AaronSw]
Morbus, no, you can change it in Terminal Preferences.
23:15:14 [Morbus]
oh.
23:15:21 [sbp]
ah crap, I was meant to reset this connection...
23:15:50 [AaronSw]
Heh, I wondered why you were on.
23:15:54 [AaronSw]
You were meant?
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23:34:19 [deltab]
.bashrc is read for non-login interactive shells - maybe Terminal starts a login shell?
23:34:51 [AaronSw]
Must be.
23:36:03 [deltab]
find out with ps $$
23:37:09 [AaronSw]
972 std Ss 0:00.04 -bash (bash)
23:38:15 [AaronSw]
Cool way to generate RFCs from XML: http://lists.xml.resource.org/
23:38:21 [AaronSw]
I'll have to remember that.
23:39:33 [deltab]
yup, the - in -bash indicates a login shell
23:42:30 [deltab]
seems http://xml.resource.org/ is the proper URI
23:45:45 [AaronSw]
gotta run.. dinnertime
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