00:00:18 Oh, are we still playing _that_ game. 00:00:30 yes 00:00:32 it took me a bit to find the character of dread 00:00:45 ah, the forbidden ewe... yes 00:00:51 brb 00:02:56 we ticked each other's giggly bones for a long period 00:03:54 my "dodo" comment was probably the best bit... man, that was chortle-inspiring 00:04:08 heheh, i will keep on with my looking 00:04:26 yes, or reviewing, perhaps? 00:05:27 indeed 00:09:40 Heheh, this game is has much hilarity! 00:11:37 Aha, you cannot say the name of the identifier of choice! 00:16:41 my reviewing is finished 00:17:01 however, a paste of log was sorely lacking 00:18:15 sbp? 00:20:35 aaaaargh:- 00:20:36 Content-type: text/html 00:20:40 Content-Type: application/octet-stream 00:20:42 from where? 00:20:46 how odd 00:20:47 in the same header! from one of my pages 00:21:01 aaah! 00:23:01 yes... I'm trying to work on serving pages sans file extension as text/html 00:23:13 Oh. 00:23:19 Capitalize the T in Type, please 00:27:17 well, it doesn't matter anyway: I can't serve a file with two MIME types... 00:28:39 Ooh, new Invader Zim 00:29:51 Content-Type: text/html 00:29:55 Content-Type: application/octet-stream 00:30:02 didn't work... 00:30:04 Heh 00:30:32 * sbp wonders how many browsers barf on that, and which val. is taken 00:32:12 links displays the first one but uses the second 00:32:35 pardon? 00:32:55 it even warns me of it: D\x75plicate header Content-Type 00:33:00 UTF-8 RSS stress test: http://home.no.net/huftis/kritikk/stress.xml 00:33:15 * AaronSw apologizes 00:33:22 grrrrr 00:34:21 sorry, still i needed it for later grepping and retrieval 00:34:30 else i'd have forgotten 00:34:38 fine 00:34:47 when I enter that, I get asked what to do with an application/octet-stream; however, when I enter header display commands I only see the first 00:35:01 i.e. text/html 00:35:07 Hmm... that's pretty weird 00:35:35 still, I can't really employ that method if people find it broken 00:35:59 oops, there were other headers in between; both appear 00:36:08 ah 00:36:34 well, IE6 takes the former Content-Type, for some reason 00:36:47 * sbp tries Mozilla 00:37:20 Mozilla takes it as an octet stream 00:38:06 shame is, IIS won't let one associate a MIME type with files of no extension 00:38:11 certain of that? IE tends to ignore Content-Type, preferring its own method 00:38:31 yeah, that's what it did! 00:38:48 it sniffs HTML... 00:39:26 so the latter is almost certainly the recommended val... now if only it'd append the new Content-Type header, eh? 00:39:46 rather than shoving it in at the top... 00:40:17 ASP lets one send a file as any MIME type properly... however, ASP files req. a .asp extension! 00:40:47 what an arse 00:41:12 and there's not even Apache style extension hacking, or .htaccess to play with 00:43:37 Heh: it might be possible to set the 404 error page to redirect 2 a .html file 00:43:41 whee! only 206 messages left after first pass 00:44:27 Hmm... that's a good idea... I'm gonna try it 00:44:52 or ya might switch to a _real_ webserver ;) 00:53:19 JWZ on T-Shirts: "I really like the DNA Lounge logo, don't you? I'll make you a deal: you pay us, and we'll let you advertise for us. How does that sound?" 00:53:34 i'm safe becuz it's in "s 00:53:47 hey! 00:54:13 s/\x75/\\x75 00:54:22 Heheh 00:54:23 the 404 redirect didn't work 00:54:33 i'm tired of this game 00:56:21 it's exha_sting 00:57:13 aha! I've got something working! yay! 00:59:23 s/working/nearly working 01:00:44 heh, heh: got it 01:01:03 the redirect deeley? 01:01:25 it's a weird way of doing it... 01:01:32 it's not redirecting, it's server side proper now 01:01:53 I get it to map the 404 error to an absol. *RI on the server 01:02:10 then, I take the q*ery string passed to it, and feck abo*t with it a bit 01:02:15 and then it seems to work 01:22:09 the problem is, I want to *se this as an persistence mechanism, and yet it's s*ch a fragile system 01:22:36 * sbp is doing m*ch * cheating 01:23:33 * sbp grows weary of the game too 01:23:52 Dare I utter the forbidden character? 01:24:01 oh, I just did 01:24:04 yes 01:26:19 ugh, "u" has such understated futility, I wunder if it's wurth using it again? utterly unsane 01:26:38 undies! I can say undies again! 01:26:46 ah, wonderful 01:27:00 I'd be more for getting rid of c -- you can repace it with k or s 01:28:04 yeah, I'd go for that 01:28:11 what's the escape for it? 01:28:22 see 01:28:49 oops 01:28:50 hmm, what about schair? 01:28:58 oops 01:29:01 I meant shair 01:29:05 I meant, what's the eskape for it? 01:29:18 no! you meant tyair 01:29:35 or tyeah! 01:29:39 that's pretty awful 01:29:44 'tis 01:30:32 what about "x"? 01:30:53 lol @ http://rdfweb.org/people/danbri/2001/04/sw-context 01:30:58 xhair? 01:31:08 oops, i meant lol @ but == bit in en-NZ 01:31:11 no I mean, using the letter x in our funny little game 01:31:20 heh, heh 01:31:26 it's a fine letter 01:31:35 yes, it is a fine letter 01:31:43 but is it a fine letter to use in the game? 01:32:03 is it? it is! is "it"? dunno 01:33:05 we'd have problems discussing xylophone techniques 01:33:26 but not tshairs 01:33:39 hmm, XML et al. 01:33:42 we could use both 01:33:56 XML? We don't talk about that here! 01:34:41 or any of the others alluded to with your "et al." 01:35:45 yes you do 01:36:06 no we don't 01:36:15 193903Z dc:title "XHTMLTM 1.0: The Extensible HyperText Markup Language 01:36:27 ah, that was an isolated case 01:36:33 *three* Xes there 01:36:42 lol 01:36:45 but I was quoting 01:38:00 233626Z * >sbp #swhack goes on a little "don't embed XML RDF into XHTML!" spree, on w-v 01:38:08 quoting there too, I see :-) 01:38:33 yes. As I usually say, "I'm always quoting someone or other" 01:38:37 Homer: Come on kids, let's go home 01:38:40 Bart: We are home! 01:38:44 Homer: That was quick 01:38:54 lol 01:39:37 file extensions 01:39:58 file stentions? what about them? 01:40:14 O.K., you got me there 01:40:34 So deltab, how do I get a custom IRC vhost? 01:41:12 Gotta run 01:41:15 sbp has quit 01:41:18 bye 01:41:21 need to write to XO :-( 01:42:02 Hmm... I've got a class C block floating around somewhere... wonder if I could use that 01:42:19 so let's say I get the rDNS working -- how do I IRC out of it? 01:42:35 oh, just tell your irc program to use it 01:43:21 Huh? 01:43:43 wouldn't that require my machine's network card was bound to that IP? 01:43:48 sbp has joined #swhack 01:44:03 wb 01:44:06 oops, I meant:- 01:44:08 Homer: That was fast 01:44:10 tsk, tsk 01:44:12 Homer: Wellity, wellity, wellity 01:44:16 AaronSw: yes 01:44:16 ty 01:44:18 c'ya 01:44:18 sbp has quit 01:44:31 that was fast ;) 01:44:52 deltab, so what if it isn't? can I ssh tunnel or something? 01:45:27 uh, you need to be able to open a connection from the IP address 01:45:52 so it does need to be bound to an interface 01:46:08 I know, but can I bind it to an interface on some other machine 01:46:15 yes 01:46:19 and then ssh tunnel to that machine... does ssh go out of the same interface it comes in on? 01:46:30 yes... 01:46:53 ah, that's cool 01:47:00 not sure what you mean about a tunnel 01:47:22 I'm accessing my irc client through ssh 01:47:29 ssh -L 6667:irc.openprojects.net aswartz@foo.bar.com 01:47:48 hmm 01:48:16 Yeah, can't really run the client via ssh on my mac 01:48:42 ah, then you need an irc bouncer 01:48:54 what's that do? 01:49:06 bounces irc :-) 01:49:22 Ooh, will that hold a connection open for me and let me connect into it from various places? 01:49:37 irc client <--> bouncer <--> server 01:49:38 will it load backlog into my IRC client? 01:49:44 can do 01:49:53 That's awesome! Where can I get one of those? 01:50:00 I've always wanted that. 01:50:01 blazingfast.net :-) 01:50:22 oh, come on, we're friends 01:50:36 seriously 01:50:50 run muh 01:52:48 you'll need to modify a copy of muhrc 01:53:02 * AaronSw tries to think of where to install it... 01:53:25 ? 01:53:31 I've already installed it 01:53:43 you just need to configure and run it 01:53:59 Oh, just off of espnow.com, then 02:01:58 Hmm, so how do I connect to this? 02:02:28 Aaron has joined #swhack 02:02:38 hehe 02:03:02 How do I access channels on another server? 02:03:24 run another muh 02:03:56 ahh... and just copy my muhrc? 02:04:38 yes - you need another dir for it 02:05:07 muh -d ~/muh/opn 02:05:11 something like that 02:05:34 Aaron has quit 02:06:09 sbp has joined #swhack 02:06:16 Hmm, it only logs private messages, doesn't it? 02:07:18 um 02:07:33 I mean those that aren't sent to a channel 02:08:12 yeah, I understood 02:08:25 do you have logging = true? 02:08:29 yep 02:08:37 err, no -- just the default 02:08:53 default is false 02:08:56 * (default true) 02:09:01 ? 02:09:10 ohh 02:09:13 oops 02:09:46 sbp has changed the topic to: #swhack: home of the tired and pissed off SBP 02:09:59 what's POed you, sbp? 02:10:09 this is your home? 02:10:24 there's a Grand Prix on tonight! I almost forget, could you believe 02:10:38 and now I've got to stay up to watch it... I had wanted to go to bed early 02:10:58 haha, crazy GP watcher 02:13:03 detlab, you're here too thought, aren't you? seems like you're staying up to watch it too :-) 02:13:15 Aaron has joined #swhack 02:13:28 hi aaron 02:13:31 Hi there 02:13:36 Nice to meet you. 02:13:40 Same here. 02:13:44 I have to step out for a bit, do you mind? 02:13:47 Not at all 02:13:51 Okedoke -- see you soon. 02:13:56 * Aaron is leaving... 02:14:13 * Aaron is leaving... 02:14:25 * AaronSw says secret evil stuff in the meantime 02:14:26 mwahaha 02:14:34 haha 02:14:36 Hello again 02:14:45 Hmm, it did not log that stuff. 02:14:55 What stuff? 02:14:59 The secret evil stuff. 02:15:04 no, I guess it can't 02:15:04 I have no idea what you're talking about. 02:15:09 he knows what stuff... 02:15:10 Never mind. 02:15:20 deltab, do you know of anything that does? 02:15:54 I think greaper's setting up something more advanced, which might 02:16:10 or you could run a client 02:16:22 I'm imagining something which, when I connect, spews out all the stuff I've missed into my client. 02:16:31 so I can then scroll up and read it. 02:16:31 * deltab nods 02:17:00 ooh: mewtwo.espnow.com 02:17:34 * Aaron waves from the ESP empire ;) 02:18:26 hmm, ezbounce seems to support it: 02:18:35 "Logging private and channel messages while detached" 02:19:13 http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:druglord.freelsd.org/ezbounce/ 02:19:35 but their host went bankrupt :( 02:20:10 due to the war on drugs? :-) 02:20:24 heheh 02:22:44 Hmm, ezbounce looks much more difficult to use 02:23:25 and it seems to log only to files... 02:24:06 it can dcc them to you, tho 02:24:30 Aaron has left #swhack 02:27:36 any ideas, deltab? 02:28:22 Ahh, cool! dircproxy looks like ti does it 02:28:29 Log text recalled to your client is sent so your client sees 02:28:29 it as ordinary IRC text. 02:28:32 02:30:27 want to install it for me deltab? 02:32:58 sbp probably wonders wtf we're talking about ;) 02:33:08 sbp is keeping himself busy 02:33:22 ahh, good 02:35:04 you're installing some weird IRC contraption under the aegis of ESP 02:35:14 I could not care less, unfortunately 02:35:33 I'm researching stuff and getting songs 02:35:49 [smiley after the last but one line] 02:36:09 it's a very cool IRC contraption 02:36:19 it logs for me while i'm disconnected and spits it out when i rejoin 02:36:49 that's quite boring when you consider the crap that I have to go through to connect and so forth 02:37:21 [insert another smiley] 02:37:38 * AaronSw doesn't follow 02:38:04 it took half an hour for me to connect to the Internet once, and I was on it... well not as long as it took me to connect 02:38:49 Ah. 02:38:58 "small gaps in IRC conversation" is not high on my list of foibles :-) 02:39:21 not, small gaps -- like overnight or something... it's better than scrounging thru logs 02:40:56 I fail to see how it makes much of a difference 02:41:22 and overnight to me is a small gap :-) 02:41:45 :-) 02:46:58 LOL, one configuration option is "I don't like logos, I'm boring, I eat llamas." 02:47:18 "Only the picky would turn this off, its pretty! 02:47:22 " 02:47:49 turn it off just to spite them! 02:47:59 I did! :) 02:49:07 sbp has changed the topic to: #swhack: home of the vanilla loving Llama people 02:51:31 sbp has changed the topic to: She said, "You can't repeat the past", I said, "You can't? Whaddya mean you can't? Of course you can!" 02:53:16 hello? 02:53:29 ah, there you are 02:56:20 Ah: http://www.google.com/search?q=She+said%2C+%22You+can%27t+repeat+the+past%22%2C+I+said%2C+%22You+can%27t%3F+Whaddya+mean+you+can%27t%3F+Of+course+you+can%21 02:58:05 Aaron has joined #swhack 02:58:11 Well, hello again! 02:58:15 Funny seeing you here. 02:58:20 Let me step out for a bit... 02:58:23 * Aaron heads off 02:58:29 i plan more evil stuf... 02:58:33 * Aaron returns 02:58:38 You can't spell, you know. 02:58:42 Ha! How did you know? 02:58:47 The magic of dircproxy! 02:58:50 This is awesome! 03:00:26 AaronSw has quit 03:00:35 lol 03:00:54 Aaron is now known as AaronSw 03:03:00 * AaronSw heads off 03:03:07 * AaronSw returns 03:08:43 * AaronSw heads off 03:09:00 * AaronSw returns 03:09:07 make your mind up! 03:09:56 Just testing. :) 03:10:06 This rocks! 03:10:16 Thanks a ton, deltab! 03:10:18 cool 03:10:26 Should I stick this in a startup script somewhere? 03:15:44 "The Cuckoo is a pretty bird, she wobbles as she flies..." 03:19:06 neat little traditional song 03:26:01 I'm going with dataplesh as the name of my big mesh idea, btw 03:26:50 uh huh 03:27:00 infomesh would have been better 03:27:09 Well, want to hand over the domain? 03:27:18 it'll cost ya 03:27:29 Hah, see. 03:27:35 Well, do you think it's a horrible name? 03:27:50 I think that it's not as good as "infomesh" :-) 03:28:02 me neither, but hey 03:28:09 yeah, it's alright 03:28:19 * AaronSw wonders whether to get dataplesh.info -- nah, won't bother 03:28:31 nah, smeg that 03:28:35 A pool; a plash. [Obs.] --Spenser. 03:28:46 I was going to try for cern.info 03:28:57 but I thought I might get my arse spanked for that 03:29:03 heheh 03:29:07 y'know, ch.cern.info 03:29:18 that'd be quite funny 03:29:34 hey, that works out quite well, deltab 03:29:48 deltab, should i go with godaddy.com or is there someplace better? 03:29:59 for what? 03:30:06 for grabbing the domain name 03:30:26 or perhaps get tav to pay for it... 03:31:06 yeah! that's the best idea 03:31:35 buy me one whilst you're fecking about with them, could ya? 03:31:46 ch.cern.info? ;) 03:32:00 yeah, that'll be good 03:32:09 cern.info is available~ 03:32:13 s/~/!/ 03:32:32 Hmm, should i get it? 03:34:17 heh, so it is! 03:34:24 * AaronSw grabs it 03:34:28 wow, cool 03:34:40 Ugh, what an awful site. 03:34:48 but duck every time a CERN official comes by... 03:35:13 hey, they had time to get it during the trademark period 03:35:19 Ugh: 03:35:20 The error which occurred was: 03:35:20 Unexpected response received from the Registry: [2306] [Parameter value policy error] 03:35:35 ooh, wonderful 03:36:43 * sbp wants another domain, but daren't buy one 03:37:02 * AaronSw refuses to buy from godaddy until they stop breaking the back button 03:40:13 Since when did usenet have a humanities.* group? 03:42:56 Wow, DomainMonger provides free robust DNS. 03:43:14 since forever? 03:43:24 "Note that this only covers new groups in the 'Big-8' hierarchies - comp.*, humanities.*, misc.*, news.*, rec.*, sci.*, soc.* and talk.*. " - http://www.usenet.org.uk/usenet-information.html 03:43:31 DomainMonger? 03:43:43 My preferred domain registration site. 03:44:18 $17? 03:44:39 so? 03:45:09 that other place is about half that price! 03:45:18 But their website sucks 03:45:24 true 03:45:35 the extra 8 dollars is worth it, IMO, because domainmonger's UI is just so much better 03:49:32 interesting: http://logicerror.com/hypertext.html http://logicerror.com/hypertext.bollocks 03:49:46 so, are those URIs persistent? 03:50:11 No, I don't think so. 03:50:40 Well, they're persistent in that if a .bollocks format exists, you will get it 03:50:50 but not in that they will redirect to a working version 03:51:07 well, .bollocks currently redirectes to the main version 03:51:16 perhaps you should break it? 03:51:26 No, I like it this way. 03:51:38 If people want to point folks to a .bollocks version, they can feel free to 03:52:01 but it directs to the HTML version; people will expect an HTML version 03:52:16 Well then they should link to it! 03:52:49 I suppose 03:53:52 I suppose I could put a page up with a 3?? saying you probably meant to get the html version... 03:54:45 with a what? 03:54:52 oh, I get it 03:56:03 oh wow, cool thing at the bottom of: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2001Jul/0018 03:56:26 Yeah, remember that? 03:56:47 yeah, that was quite a fun experiment 03:57:21 shows that you've written a lot! 03:57:45 I can't believe I've written al that. 03:58:19 and you've probably done a lot more since then 03:59:08 Yeah, it's funny. 03:59:29 my one criticism is that perhaps it's too easy to publish information? 03:59:40 how can it be too easy? 04:00:19