00:00:56 logster has joined #swhack 00:00:56 topic is: #swhack: winner of the prestigious Morbus/disobey.com "pathetic" award, 2001 00:00:56 Users on #swhack: logster Morbus deltab AaronSw 00:01:55 nope 00:02:11 and you're logged in? and you've got reviewer status? 00:02:43 hmm, the first page has my username, status, and "Start reviewing", but the pages after that don't 00:02:56 and when you lcick on start reviewing, you don't see em? 00:03:02 no 00:03:04 what browser are you using? 00:03:09 links 00:03:20 not familiar with that one. 00:03:34 it's got cookie support 00:03:43 and css? 00:03:52 not yet 00:03:59 maybe that's it. 00:04:03 the buttons are colored via css 00:04:20 there simply aren't any buttons 00:04:28 I checked the html 00:04:41 well, that's weird. 00:06:00 Bush! 00:06:23 Pygmy! 00:08:35 You can just see him stall as someone types new words into his teleprompter. ;-) 00:10:18 hehe 00:13:00 ...dinnertime! 00:13:07 afk for a bit. 00:16:48 sbp has joined #swhack 00:19:31 D'ya know what I say? Bollocks is what I say. It's taken nearly half an hour to connect 00:22:55 boloocks. 00:23:02 hey, do you read warren ellis? 00:23:05 or garth ennis? 00:25:02 me? are you talking to me? me?! 00:25:14 yes you! you, i dare say, youoOOuu! 00:25:27 nope, I don't 00:27:18 * Morbus is listening to PowerPuff FM again 00:27:38 what's that? 00:27:47 a radiu station of just cartoon theme songs 00:27:57 streaming mp3 00:28:08 works great over 56k 00:28:11 :) 00:28:12 where? 00:28:42 animehardcore.net is the parent site and the mp3 link is... 00:28:51 http://pri.kts-af.net/redir/index.pls?esid=94321d77332591e0b1461453e1b2f661&url_no=2&client_id=7&uid=68efed4d03ec7e45fd3978262c107180&clicksrc=xml 00:28:57 eek 00:29:06 heh. at least, that's how itunes reports it :) 00:29:30 do they ever play the Simpsons' theme? 00:29:41 nope, but they rotate the play list every month or so 00:29:52 they play some old simpson tracks from the cd that came out though 00:29:57 the bartman, lisa it's your birthday, that sorta crap 00:30:21 they're playing earthworm jim right now 00:30:35 * deltab dereferences 00:30:37 http://166.90.143.142:10820 00:30:47 ehehehheeh. that works too? man, that's funny 00:34:25 you listening deltab? 00:35:24 Homer: Marge, it takes two to lie. One to lie, and one to listen 00:42:51 sbp has quit 00:45:15 Morbus has quit 00:47:14 Let's all join hands and send a dollar to Afghanistan! 00:47:18 Morbus has joined #swhack 00:53:46 Yuck, UserLand is spreading RSS 1.0 misinformation. 00:56:15 what now? 00:56:33 They are telling people with RSS 1.0 feeds that they are broken and should switch to 0.91. 00:56:42 whaaa? how'd you find that out? 00:56:56 I've been getting emails from people complaining. 00:57:05 They ask why I serve up RSS 1.0 since it's not compatible with UserLand. 00:57:14 And quote messages from UserLand employees. 00:57:21 (OK, just one person has done this, but still.) 00:57:53 sheesh. you should post that somewhere. 00:58:12 or recommend readers that read 1.0 fine. 00:58:22 whistle, whistle, nudge, nudge 00:58:24 ;) 00:58:42 Heheh, I will take it up with the employee mentioned. 01:00:10 lemme know how it goes. i'll be interested to see the response 01:00:41 sbp has joined #swhack 01:00:55 'lo 01:01:01 'i 01:01:02 ' 01:01:18 heh 01:01:21 'ot again! 01:01:23 '? 01:01:28 he he he 01:01:38 * sbp underlines the topic 01:01:43 heheh 01:01:43 I just published: http://infomesh.net/2001/10/dothtml/ 01:02:55 am i lagging? 01:03:06 nope. guess not. 01:03:10 took me forever to coonect to that wsite 01:03:18 hmm 01:03:25 Sean's server does that sometimes. 01:03:40 hey! 01:03:45 Huh? "The world and it's dog use ".html" as a part of a URI" 01:03:47 sbp, did you read my xml-rpc rant? 01:03:52 Where? Where? 01:04:12 aaron, you didn't read it? it was on syndication aw hile ago. well received by a lot of people. linked a bunch of places, etc. 01:04:17 and mentioned a DOG as an example cahracter. 01:04:23 i think sean's ripping me off. 01:04:28 Hmm, I think I remember it. 01:04:30 * sbp sends the rant to www-qa 01:04:39 hat rant?this rant/ 01:04:40 DOG? Aw, I missed it 01:04:57 did you see that xml-rpc rant, sbp? 01:05:02 nope 01:05:18 URI? (with or without ".html") 01:05:24 Look who's talking sbp -- you're the one who always chops off the .html on stuff! 01:05:31 I know 01:05:36 don't condone him 01:05:40 [[[ 01:05:40 I'm just noodling on something TimBL wrote about ".html" file extenisons 01:05:40 being counter to persistence axioms. I'm not sure I can totally defend the 01:05:40 ".html" position, and I still go to great lengths to avoid file 01:05:40 extensions... but enjoy the note anyway. 01:05:41 ]]] 01:05:41 devil's advocate is a very neccessary thing 01:05:47 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/syndication/message/2217 01:05:56 cheers, Morby 01:06:35 you know, this is the first time i've been to your site. 01:06:40 heh: "share the love!" 01:06:44 heheheh 01:06:45 where's that "just noodling" quote from? 01:06:47 ooh, your first time 01:06:50 i know. 01:06:52 it hurts. 01:06:53 just noodling: www-qa 01:08:13 lol! 01:08:14 [[[ 01:08:14 I'm sure everyone on this list knows what that means. But my dog? Nope, my 01:08:15 dog is gonna lick his nuts in feverish confusion. And I don't even have a 01:08:15 dog, so that means an awful lot of confusion. 01:08:16 ]]] 01:08:20 hehehehe 01:08:24 thats what i'm talking about :) 01:08:31 that's a masterpiece 01:08:34 lol 01:12:20 heh: "Hey! In your current listing, 01:12:20 thirteen other people linked to this site. You're not 01:12:20 being very original, binky. AmphetaDesk will now crash in 01:12:20 a fit of Koontz inspired anger." 01:12:43 does it really have that function built-in? 01:13:14 hehe. not yet :) 01:13:31 do you get the Koontz joke? 01:14:08 Dean Koontz? 01:14:11 nope 01:14:38 Abraham Koontz? 01:14:52 oops, the nope was that i don't get it, not re dean 01:15:22 Koontz is a horror writer... 'tis all I know 01:15:37 an unoriginal horror writer 01:15:40 exactly. 01:15:41 Roland F. Koontz, it might be 01:15:51 read two or three of his books, and you've read them all 01:15:58 dean koonz. 01:16:01 is the right one 01:16:02 that's what epinions says 01:16:11 oh yeah? didn't know that. 01:16:28 ah, so it's anger inspired by wasting too much money on Dean Koontz books? 01:16:30 [[[ 01:16:31 Dean Koontz has never been on my top list of must-read authors... his books have always been the fillers for me: filling in the space between books by authors I stalk the library for, if you know what I mean. 01:16:32 ]]] 01:16:38 heh... 01:16:46 money, time, and brainpower, yes. 01:16:48 :) 01:17:03 yeah, well imagine how Dean Koontz feels, then 01:17:55 Ooh, a reply from Ian already on www-qa 01:18:05 [[[ 01:18:05 Up to now, .html has been the only game in town for document markup. 01:18:05 For image formats, we typically leave off the extension. Now that SVG is 01:18:05 a Recommendation, we'll probably start publishing several versions of an 01:18:05 image, so that you get the best format your browser supports. 01:18:06 ]]] 01:18:34 - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-qa/2001Oct/0038 01:19:37 Whenever someone writes a confusing letter to me from now on, I can just say, "stop it! my Dog's balls are red enough as it is, give the poor chap a break!" 01:21:19 IE 6PR had a bug where it wouldn't display GIF files that didn't have a ".gif" extension. That was sooo annoying 01:21:30 they've fixed it in the full version 01:23:22 you should, it'll be our little joke 01:23:37 give an xhtml document an .xml extension and ie6 will display it as raw code 01:23:46 happens on amphetadesk when people delete=filename.xml 01:24:19 Mozilla treats it "right" though, I think 01:24:38 but neither of the things let you access the "default" stylesheet and bugger about with it 01:25:25 maybe because they don't have one 01:28:05 yeah 01:28:11 well no, they must have 01:28:20 but not an accessible one 01:28:41 Why must they? 01:28:55 accessible as in get at it or Accessible as in WAI? 01:30:45 as in "get it" 01:31:01 which is a function of the latter sense :-) 01:31:08 The UserLand rep kindly apologized and said: "This was a misunderstanding on my part, though I don't remember the specific channel, or what its XML looked like." 01:31:26 what's that in reference to? 01:32:14 In reference to the fact he was spreading misinformation about RSS 1.0 before. 01:32:15 ah, well, thats' good then 01:41:25 Dave Winer: "Whitepapers are a dime a dozen. I bet most don't even pass a Turing Test." 01:44:12 wha? 01:44:17 oh. o. 01:44:20 ok. i get it. 01:44:52 just sent a big email out concernign syncasaurus. sheesh. 01:45:11 where to? 01:45:30 the -develop mailing list at sf. 01:45:43 some guy did a screen by screen grab of the bookmarksync process. 01:45:55 the email concerns that process, and the one we've currently drafted 01:46:57 heheh 01:49:53 you know what i hate? 01:49:59 what? 01:50:00 i hear about new xml standards or whatever or what have you. 01:50:08 so i rush off to the site, and the first thing i look for is a big old example link 01:50:19 i don't care about the methology, or the dtd or the white paper or who implemented it. 01:50:27 i just want to see an xml document. even if it's alpha. 01:50:34 it's the whole code shui thing. i like things to look OK. 01:50:39 me too! 01:50:42 i hate OCS, cos it looks ugly as hell. 01:50:43 yeah, me too 01:51:02 er... about the XML documents 01:51:22 so, i remember checking out humanML (and syncML too) and not seeing any examples, and running away 01:51:29 see, now, xkitchensink gave me an example. 01:51:34 :) 01:51:41 ah! XKitchenSink is a good standard 01:51:43 we did? we better take that out... 01:51:48 lol 01:51:56 i heard crucial ram was pretty good too 01:51:57 lol 01:52:47 Yeah, my server went down today and I thought I should buy some crucial ram for it 01:53:05 but its ram slots were full with... curcial ram! 01:53:16 i'm tellin ya, there was a pigeon on my a/c today. i threw some crucial ram at it, and everything was roses 01:53:16 and you know what, the box was sold to me by the folks who own crucial ram! 01:56:35 Sean, you don't 01:56:39 use CVS., do you? 01:56:52 CVS? On IIS? Heh, heh, heh, heh, heh! 01:57:01 it's independent of the web server 01:57:03 So why do you insist on sticking cryptic: $Id: sbp:OhYeah, 01 July 2001 00:58:32 spalmer Exp $ gunk on your pages? 01:57:09 heh 01:57:13 its reet. 01:57:21 because I wrote a CVS style program in ASP 01:57:26 oh dear 01:57:32 oh dear is right! 01:57:43 i wrote a module called Log::Simple, which uses stuff like $Log::Simple::Config->{$config} and I kept wondering why it was breaking after being CVS'd ;) 01:57:55 heh 01:57:56 heh heh 01:58:24 Why do you even insisit on sticking Exp in there? Do you even know what it means? 01:58:38 Your website still says "I'm also a HumanMarkup TC member, for some reason." btw 01:58:51 Whoopsy bollocks 01:59:10 so, get me on HumanMarkup, sbp, where's an example? 01:59:21 There aren't any. 01:59:28 They haven't decided on what it is yet. 01:59:32 ah. 01:59:35 bah. 01:59:41 (I learned this from sbp's rant.) 01:59:49 the first thing i'd look at would be interactive fiction projects 02:00:02 they've done a lot of work on what people are and how they can be shown in code. 02:00:14 particularly erazmatazz.com (i think thats it - lemme know if it 404s). 02:01:09 but what the hell do i know? i just give out awards 02:02:05 ok. hold on 02:03:20 ack! 02:03:28 where the hell did i put my ifiction bookmarks 02:03:31 too many damn bookmarks. 02:03:43 time for syncasaurus ;) 02:03:54 :) 02:04:17 O.K., I fixed my homepage 02:04:21 I had this weird dream where I finally visited Sean one day, and I couldn't stand to talk to him face to face so we logged on to IRC to chat. 02:04:25 actually, I'm still preparing a new one 02:04:32 dream: lol" 02:04:32 lol 02:04:36 new one: ugh, not again 02:05:01 sean, ever looked at thebrain? 02:05:08 actually, you wanna talk about humanml? 02:05:09 if you ever do visit me, that's probably what will end up happening 02:05:21 briefly, someone pointed it out to me 02:05:26 humanml; not really 02:05:34 k. here we go: 02:05:35 http://www.erasmatazz.com/ 02:05:37 thats what i meant 02:06:20 if, pah! there's no escaping a visit from Aaron 02:06:26 Or, as Bush said tonight, "The Evil One" 02:06:38 the evil one? oh god. 02:06:42 sigh. 02:06:52 town leaders should not submit to those sorts of phrases. 02:06:55 thats the job of the media 02:07:33 Heh -- there was a comic in the New Yorker this week that read: "Bush is starting to grow on me -- he's sounding positively mayoral." 02:07:45 heh 02:08:09 The evil one on IRC brings up Society > Subcultures > Anti Social > Evil Geniuses 02:08:21 lol; Gerald! 02:09:37 Yep! 02:10:18 Aww, Gerald is only the 7th evil genius named Gerald on Google. 02:11:22 dear oh dear 02:12:06 Gerald Oskoboiny is an Evil Genious: http://impressive.net/people/gerald/ 02:12:17 We should insert that in random highly-ranked google pages ;) 02:12:32 good idea. Seed it, eh? 02:13:26 yep 02:13:33 we should put it in our signatures. 02:13:39 ooh, yeah 02:13:48 works great for disobey ;) 02:13:52 You can do funny thing with titling links and Google. 02:14:05 like what? 02:14:15 Someone did big fat stupid idiot 02:14:24 new joho out 02:14:25 and then told people to search for big fat stupid idiot on google 02:14:36 yeah, i heard of that. 02:14:36 and guess what came up first? ;) 02:16:55 i've used the same address for about five years. not so good :) 02:17:09 yeah, you should rotate 02:17:28 four years old and no longer used 02:19:19 man, there's a huge orgy going on in #opensourcesex 02:19:31 hehehe 02:19:32 perverts 02:20:01 * sbp is laughing quite hard at the moment 02:20:05 hehehehe 02:25:02 god, i've been answering email for the four hours, and its really starting to drag 02:25:14 send me one, send me one! 02:25:32 um. ok. 02:25:34 hold on. 02:25:38 what's your email? 02:25:45 I don't know! 02:25:50 heh. 02:26:18 SeanBert@butt.com 02:26:45 I wonder if that's a real email address? That would actually be quite funny 02:27:07 going for a job interview... "so, what's your email address?" 02:35:49 see. warez doods do the letters/numbers predominantly 02:35:57 z people use zzz almost exclusively as s subsititues. 02:36:02 like "freddy rulllzzzz" 02:36:12 but aren't both groups scum? teach me 02:36:13 or "jason could kick michael's butt dudezzzzz" 02:36:19 i shall teach you the way. 02:36:28 please do, Morby-poo 02:36:28 after seeing that jedi is a religion, i have decided to register my own. 02:36:35 Morbism? 02:36:39 i call it "kiss the ass of morbus" 02:36:52 and you're the only member, eh? 02:36:53 just like satan and the witches. 02:36:54 * sbp runs 02:37:24 anyway, you were teaching me the way? 02:37:25 ah well. no more email for me tonight. i'm sick of it. 02:37:52 ah, I got an email. I wonder who that's from? 02:38:00 heh. 02:38:03 could it be?! 02:38:13 thats the only one of any relevance that you'd get without context. 02:38:26 yes! a letter from the incredible one... the most gracious leader of the new kiss ass thing: Morby! 02:38:36 Morby Dick! 02:39:14 lol!!! 02:39:32 Ooh, now I need an email too! 02:39:36 ol 02:39:40 il 02:39:44 outloudilaugh 02:39:55 Heheh. 02:40:03 thats how an english professor chuckles ;) 02:40:37 too much more of this and I'm going to piss myself. Now, where'd my bathroom go...? 02:40:40 you want an email aaron? k. lemme send ya one 02:40:42 lol 02:42:01 phew: remembered at the last second that my toilet is *adjacent* the the bathroom, and not in it... 02:42:06 s/the/to 02:43:54 WTF are you talking about here: Do not imagine that Art is something designed to give gentle uplift and self - confidence. Art is not a brassiere. At least, not in the English sense. But do not forget that brassiere is French for life-jacket. 02:44:14 uh. 02:44:29 what do you mean? 02:45:22 heh: Let's ban flowers. All those pistels and stamens and pollen -- why, those wicked, wicked plants are having sex RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE CHILDREN. 02:45:26 cool quote engine 02:45:31 mean: I'm not sure 02:45:46 the badthing about the quote engine is that it's not fortune based. 02:45:54 been meaning to do that for a while. i got tons of new quotes to ad 02:45:55 add 02:46:09 jwz's text-generating thing says some weird stuff. 02:46:17 it was plotting to blow up buildings the other day 02:46:59 what's the url for the quote engine? 02:47:08 disobey/detergent/quote.htm 02:47:19 sean, check out disobey/detergent/sheep.htm 02:47:39 "Hope you enjoy it, and don't forget to tell Morbus how you found this" 02:47:46 ah! I was just reading that page 02:47:47 weird 02:47:50 heh 02:48:00 sent ya an email aar 02:48:17 I was going to say that I found it through your site, but now I can say that you pointed me at it. It's all good 02:48:27 its quicktime. you got quicktime? 02:48:35 i've got so much stuff to add to the site, but no time 02:48:41 all this coding mania 02:48:55 Ugh, now I actually have to read it. 02:49:05 :-) 02:49:25 hey you asked 02:49:25 QuickTime: I should have, but it doesn't seem to be loading... perhaps I haven't installed it on this new computer yet 02:49:42 its quicktime 3 format.:) 02:49:49 should work in most anything nowadays 02:49:59 Heh, that email's pretty funny. 02:50:09 i get crap like that every day. 02:50:32 That's what you get for keeping a wacko site. ;) 02:50:37 lol 02:50:39 you need segregable bookmarks :-) 02:51:07 heh. actually, one of the ideas in syncasaurus was that you could flag bookmarks for which computer you want them on 02:51:19 so that you could have them all in the xbel, but only convert some of them for your work computer 02:51:38 ooh, xbel 02:51:42 :) 02:51:52 yeah, we just finished an xbel parser using xml::parser 02:51:57 reads and writes 02:52:05 and converts to ns. we're working on ie now 02:53:22 whenever I hear about someone doing YA-bookmark-convertor, I tell them about xbel 02:53:33 well, its not just a converter. 02:53:39 have i spammed you with the design doc? 02:53:46 but yeah, i'm surprised how many people DON't use it. 02:53:51 * sbp donloads the .mov to disc... 02:54:28 sean, you want me to send you my out of date "movies i have on cd" 02:54:34 list/index? 02:55:34 Um... sure 02:55:41 ok. nevermind. 02:55:50 no, do it! do it! 02:56:02 nope. nope. i don't like your lack of enthusiasm. 02:56:07 there's only one thing you can do to make me send them to you 02:56:20 heh! that sheep 02:56:24