00:01:26 logster has joined #swhack 00:01:26 Users on #swhack: logster ASwartz deltab 00:02:34 ASwartz is now known as AaronSw 00:13:31 LOL @ HumanML comments, sbp 00:13:41 from http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-10-10 00:15:08 LOL @ , in http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-10-09 00:42:59 sbp has joined #swhack 00:43:55 LOL @ HumanML comments, sbp 00:43:56 * sbp bows 00:44:06 Hi there! 00:45:26 Hi Aaron 00:45:51 Boy, there's a lot of email to catch up on. 00:46:33 * sbp checks his 00:46:41 ooh, none 00:46:54 no suprise seeing as how I only checked it about 30 seconds ago... :-) 00:50:50 * sbp had a handful of feedback from the HumanML list about those comments... 00:51:04 but not much. Phew 00:51:52 * sbp wonders about upgrading EARL 0.95 to 1.0: is it really necessary? 00:53:01 Heh: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/22113.html 00:53:12 [[[ 00:53:16 We spoke to the Home Office - which was not overly entertained especially since the Census is supposed to be deadly serious. However the Home Office would not say what constituted a religion and we subsequently discovered that while you can be heavily fined for putting down false details on a census form, it does not apply to the religion question. 00:53:16 ]]] 00:54:58 heh:- 00:54:59 [[[ 00:55:00 The spokeswoman that clarified the situation for us was one Ms Knight (no relation but some irony). 00:55:00 ]]] 00:55:54 "Would you rather meet Bill Gates or a topless model?" 00:56:03 Hmm... could you get back to me on that one? 00:56:10 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/22150.html 00:56:30 What kind of a question is that? 00:57:50 lol! 00:57:51 [[[ 00:57:52 What is concerning to us is the further evidence that educated people breed less, thus possibly serving to help lower the global IQ average. 00:57:52 ]]] 00:57:56 Heh, I suppose Gerald's answer is documented in his LCS35 page. 00:58:05 LCS35? URI? 00:58:35 http://impressive.net/people/gerald/1999/04/lcs35/ 00:58:46 google:lcs35 gerald oskoboiny 00:59:47 ah, so obvious! 01:00:40 Heh: "I was going to introduce myself, but couldn't think of anything nice to say. " 01:01:39 While we're name dropping, did I ever mention that Bill Gates almost worked for my Dad? 01:03:55 heh, no>] 01:04:03 s/>]/? 01:08:45 LOL: http://wmf.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader$5919?mode=day 01:08:54 Bill: Well, it's true. 01:09:06 that's re: the Bill Gates stuff, btw 01:11:46 Don't you hate it when someone sends a really long letter, and then someone replies with a two-sentence response and quotes the whole really long letter? 01:12:47 yes! 01:12:57 yes I do. > Don't you hate it when someone sends a really long letter, and then someone replies with a two-sentence response and quotes the whole really long letter? 01:13:19 :-) 01:14:51 Spam headlines: PUT YOUR LOVER INTO A COMA! 01:15:12 what's that selling? 01:15:27 Sex enhancement pills 01:15:44 wonder what's in 'em? 01:16:03 Since I love you so much, you can find out for me. 01:16:23 Hmm, but if I put you into a coma, who will do the work I'm now getting you to do... 01:16:41 * sbp wonders if Aaron has been drinking 01:17:15 *Root* Beer, *Root*! 01:17:32 Another thing I don't like: folks who put numbers at the end of their subject headers. Makes it look like spam. 01:17:52 numbers? example? [15] 01:18:38 Subject: I think this feed sucks #190172 01:19:00 I think that it prettifies it 01:19:26 * sbp is on a "convert adjectives into verbs in three easy steps" rant 01:19:41 [[[ 01:19:41 > > [...] (happy is a verb). 01:19:41 > 01:19:41 > As in "you're to happy today"? :-) "Happify" would be the verb form of the 01:19:41 > adjective "happy"! 01:19:42 Okay, so happy is an adjective 01:19:44 ]]] 01:20:01 * sbp was the "> " quoted person 01:20:20 Dave Winer adds new function to Manila (Web server software): fbi.getTerrorist () 01:20:23 so you don't cheer people up anymore: you happify them 01:20:40 cool function. How does it work? 01:20:51 Visits the FBI website. 01:21:02 Demo at: http://wmf.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader$5935 01:22:13 cool, it actually works 01:22:33 Wow, this is weird -- somebody sent me spam and it bounced because they thought my domain was a spammer domain, so they bounced my bounce. 01:22:59 note: add built-ins to self.queryquad() 01:23:04 Don't you hate it when people cite completely irrelevant (parts of an) RFC(s)? 01:23:20 not really; I think it's cute 01:25:06 * sbp gets a vague idea as to how to add the built-ins 01:25:35 Hmm, I don't think I swhacked when I figured it out: 01:26:17 dc:author [ foaf:name "Ron Daniel" ; is :member of [ foaf:name "RDF Core WG" ; :member [ foaf:name "Aaron Swartz ] ] ] . 01:27:04 are you sure that it was just root beer? 01:27:47 Ooh, real short bread cookies! 01:28:05 * sbp takes that as a no 01:29:15 aw man, adding built ins is gotta really bugger the code. Bugger it with bells on 01:30:04 See, you should rewrite it on top of a None-style query (need to figure out what those are really called) 01:30:22 WTF are you talking about? it does use a None-style query! 01:30:32 I keep on telling you :-) 01:31:00 problem is, for each query quad, I have to scan it to see if it contains any built in URIs 01:31:25 Oh, I see now. 01:31:28 then I have to note that for each time you want to add a query result to the vars store, you ned to check that it matches the bloody constraint 01:31:34 Yeah, that does suck. 01:31:54 sure does... it's a lot of extra code tacked on at the edges 01:31:54 Hmmph, why don't I remember things like when I meet Ted Nelson! 01:32:39 "I don't see how it's possible to prevent documents from deleted" 01:32:46 I don't see how it's possible to prevent documents from grammer 01:33:02 Heh, you should reply with that. 01:33:06 :-) 01:33:13 you can, if you want 01:33:20 I will quote you. 01:33:26 if you like 01:33:28 :-) 01:33:37 * AaronSw sends to wmf by IRC, as opposed to HTTP 01:34:10 s/grammer/grammar, BTW 01:34:21 I don't see how it's possible to prevent documents from spelling... 01:36:28 * AaronSw finishes first pass over mailbox. 01:36:28 Well, now I only have to read 273 new messages. 01:36:41 hey, that's pretty good going 01:36:52 Not including messages from lists. 01:37:07 I have 7365 of those 01:37:11 lol! 01:37:20 Literally! 01:37:33 that's what makes it so funny 01:37:34 It's a hopeless struggle, I figure. 01:47:13 he should have told them to Ef off 01:47:49 ba dum bum! 01:48:09 don't forget the cymbal! 01:48:13 tsiii! 01:48:38 logster, grep -i todo 01:48:42 I'm logging. I found 11 answers for 'todo' (showing 0...4) 01:48:43 0) 2001-10-11 01:48:38 logster, grep -i todo 01:48:44 1) 2001-10-08 22:53:08 interuppts are on the todo. i've been lazy 01:48:45 2) 2001-10-01 22:29:09 welp, if you shell into ScriptMenu.menu, it has the same sort of dir structure as others. including a TODOish like file ;) 01:48:46 3) 2001-09-30 04:17:20 TODO: Listen to Jimi Hendrix 01:48:47 4) 2001-09-30 00:31:17 TODO: Search for Internet-scale Linda systems 01:49:00 logster, grep 5-100 -i todo 01:49:02 I'm logging. I found 2 answers for '-i todo' (showing 5...2) 01:49:12 Heh: showing 5...2 01:49:20 wonderful logic! 01:49:48 * AaronSw logs back in to the dual-monitor megabase 01:49:52 to Jimi: may I suggest Little Wing? 01:50:37 Of course. I wish AudioGalaxy would let other people add songs to my list 01:56:16 Eeek! What is all this mail in my Yahoo! Mail account? 01:57:08 you have a Yahoo! mail account? 01:57:36 Well, you get one for signing up to Yahoo! Groups 01:58:01 But I'm not sure why I'm getting www-archive messages there. 01:58:46 Kick-ass: A Characterization of Space Complexity Cases and Subexponential Time Classes 01:58:46 as Limiting Polynomially Decidable Sets 01:58:53 - http://www.icsi.berkeley.edu/ftp/global/pub/techreports/INDEX 02:02:13 Huh? 02:02:32 :-) 02:10:31 Huh? 02:11:54 So, since infomesh was close but not quite appropriate, I'm thinking of calling my meshy project datamesh or dataplex 02:12:24 Hmm, HP uses DataMesh 02:12:31 Dataplex it is! 02:12:37 Dataplex... tsk 02:12:37 "DataMesh is a storage architecture designed for parallel operation. This document describes the first version of the DataMesh architecture _ that intended to provide a flexible, scalable, parallel block service. " 02:12:44 Sounds like what I was going to do. 02:12:50 Heh heh heh 02:13:16 DataPlex is a large series of companies, as is WebPlex 02:13:26 Oh, WebPlex is DataPlex's product 02:13:54 Hmm, DataWeb: """The DataWeb is the infrastructure for intelligent browsing and accessing data across the Internet. The DataWeb brings together under one umbrella demographic, economic, environmental, health, (and more) datasets that are usually separated by geography and/or organization.""" 02:14:17 - http://www.thedataweb.org/ 02:27:05 what the smeg is this?: Subject[predicate] = object 02:27:23 What's wrong with that? 02:27:37 I thought it was a clever mapping. 02:27:38 what is it? 02:27:50 what about multiple objects? 02:27:59 It's a way to create RDF statements using the Py interface -- just one way. 02:28:23 yeah, but if you have :x :y :z . :x :y :a . what does x[y] return? 02:28:55 I'm not perfectly aware of MIT/LCS policy, but I know part of the answer, which is rpmfind 02:29:03 of course! it's so obvious now 02:30:17 x[y] returns a list... hmm, so i guess setting it should be a list too 02:31:02 so, would it return a list with one member if there was just one subject? 02:31:28 [[[ 02:31:29 The DNS tables have been restored and everything should be cleaned up now, Daniel] 02:31:30 ]]] 02:31:49 why is that guy talking to Daniel? 02:31:55 on http://rpmfind.net/ 02:33:06 s/subject/object/ makes the answer yes, I think 02:33:14 hmm, perhaps no. 02:33:31 it's a tradeoff between easier to code and making apps barf when there are multiple objects 02:33:57 I think he means to sign it Daniel, not address it to him. 02:33:59 Grgprmgprmgh 02:34:13 sign it: yeah, I realised that. Grammar is not a time of waste 02:34:41 Marge: You're not even listening to me, Homer 02:34:45 Homer: Sure they will! 02:34:56 Heh. 02:34:59 "Grgprmgprmgh" re what? 02:35:07 it's a tradeoff between easier to code and making apps barf when there are multiple objects 02:35:17 perhaps I should have appended it to my reply :-) 02:35:40 Gotta run 02:35:43 I figured as much. What didn't I listen to? 02:35:45 ok, c'ta 02:35:48 err c'ya 02:38:40 sbp has quit 02:40:30 [[[Why get a motorhome? Is it merely to put the "ugly" back into "Ugly American"? These things guzzle fuel, combine all the maintenance problems of a poorly constructed house and a poorly constructed truck, clog the highways, are impossible to park, and are tough to drive in a straight line. ]]] 02:40:35 - http://www.photo.net/webtravel/motorhomes/intro 02:40:45 Seen this before, but hadn't swhacked it. 02:40:53 swhacking is such a great verb. 03:17:48 Morbus has joined #swhack 03:18:18 aaron! 03:18:22 just the person i wanted to talk to 03:18:24 Morbus! 03:18:30 i tell ya, i'm getting a lot of complaints about you. 03:18:31 Man, I need to get myself a copy of "Hyperland" 03:18:37 complaints about me? 03:18:52 hyperland? related to flatland? 03:18:52 I didn't do anything! Really! It wasn't me! 03:18:56 not you, but blogspace. 03:19:03 oh, what sorts of complaints? 03:19:30 mostly "amphetadesk doesn't load this channel!", "welp, looks like blogspace timed out again, try voidstar" 03:20:00 Yes, there's been some, ehm, instability the past few days -- it should be back strong now, tho 03:20:24 k. i rarely notice it myself. i'm just happy i can mention voidstar to people. 03:20:26 so what's hyperland/ 03:20:45 voidstar as an alternative. 03:20:54 i sent about 2 people a day to blogify ;) 03:20:55 * AaronSw cries... i'm such a failure! 03:21:07 oh, it's ok ;) 03:21:22 trying to get louisrosenfield.com to use it 03:21:27 Yeah, i'm looking into moving my server empire to MIT or someplace where it'll be really fast and stable 03:21:32 he seemed real interested when i mentioned it to him 03:21:46 disobey's hosted on a t1 about three blocks from my house :) 03:22:08 t1 is good enough for me. 03:22:13 blogspace.com is on a T1 on the other side of the country 03:22:17 but, no, i still get complaints 03:22:18 most of my stuff is lowbandwidth, so i rarely stress it. 03:22:37 ah. i'm on a sprint line that goes straight to a hub in ny. impressive. 03:22:51 our old providers have had a couple of hops between, but this is 1 hop. 03:22:51 louisrosenfeld.com doesn't resolve for me. 03:23:02 hah, i'm actually on a sprint line in NY! 03:23:07 heheheh. 03:23:26 that's funny. for access, or webhosting? 03:23:27 Hmm, actually it's ggn 03:23:53 oop. mispelt: http://www.louisrosenfeld.com/ 03:23:58 oh, i meant blogspace.com is on that line 03:24:09 in NY 03:24:26 ah. that may explain why i never have timeouts on it :) 03:24:42 Ah, Louis wrote IA4WWW, cool. 03:25:17 Indeed, IKEA has great IA: http://www-personal.si.umich.edu/~khage/ikea.html 03:25:24 i have my site monitored by edoppler.com and never see problems 03:25:39 yeah, he had mentioned rss last week sometime, and i chimed in with blogify 03:26:06 Hmm, edoppler.com... I was using a site but it disappeared, so i swithced to uptime.openacs.or 03:26:08 http://www.edoppler.com/cgi-bin/rpt3.cgi?sortby=media&city=boston 03:26:08 err org 03:26:31 specifically: http://www.edoppler.com/cgi-bin/itr_hist.cgi?site=disobey&city=boston 03:26:57 or city=seattle 03:26:59 etc 03:27:01 their "we watch the web" eyeball is scaring me 03:27:05 lol 03:27:14 yeah, they used to be called dibbledop, without the eyeball 03:27:17 was much calmer 03:27:19 :) 03:27:34 Hmmph: 03:27:36 We are currently not accepting new free monitoring submissions. 03:27:36 Please check back again. 03:27:41 OOoh. 03:27:41 03:27:57 hehe... that's too bad. i've had disobey in there for abotu two years now 03:28:01 you could try spyonit.com though 03:28:08 they have a site monitor that will email you when they can't reach the site 03:28:13 doesn'tmeasure response time though. 03:28:20 Yeah, I use that for other sites but it's not worth it for my own since they're so slow at checking 03:28:25 they only check like ever 12 hrs or something 03:28:29 yeah. 03:28:30 uptime.openacs isn't bad 03:28:47 they sent me "your site is down" like 40 times while I was away ;-/ 03:28:49 i know one of the creators of spyonit, i could see if i could get you something sooner if you really want it 03:29:01 Oh, you do? cool, thank him for me. 03:29:09 it's a nice servicce... was going to do similar with my.theinfo.org but never finished 03:29:15 for what? getting bought out by someone who gutted them? 03:29:18 i'm bitter ;) 03:29:23 Yeah, well that part sucks 03:29:26 i started using spyonit longlong ago 03:29:31 and they won't listen to my pleas to use rss 03:29:34 was one of the first thirdparty developers for it. 03:29:41 they tell me to pay up for rss feeds, pah! 03:29:46 they sent me free tshirts, etc. 03:29:55 directed peopel to me for tech support. kinda funny ;) 03:30:04 i'm still on good turns with Matt there. he likes amphetadesk 03:30:04 Cool. 03:30:09 Blogspace: 03:30:09 2001-10-10 18:27:49 : back_up 03:30:09 * 2001-10-10 18:11:12 : down 03:30:09 * 2001-10-10 17:33:23 : back_up 03:30:09 * 2001-10-10 17:06:24 : down 03:30:09 * 2001-10-10 16:26:31 : back_up 03:30:11 * 2001-10-10 16:10:21 : down 03:30:13 * 03:30:15 - http://uptime.openacs.org/uptime/reports.tcl?monitor_id=5866 03:30:17 Hmmph. 03:30:18 i keep offering him to develop email capability in amphetadesk and then welcome him back to an open source spyonti. 03:30:33 ;) 03:30:44 the dev section is gone frmo spyonit now though. its pretty gutted, which sucks ass. 03:31:20 yuck 03:31:22 i created a camworld.com email spy which still works ;) 03:31:33 yeah, it's how i watch weblogs 03:31:36 its the only one thats left from my stuff. everything else has broken do to site redesigns. 03:32:10 hmm, why don't you code up an opensource version for me and i'll host it ;) 03:32:11 at the end, when they stopped updating their devtools, i was just sending a spy to a perl script on disobey and having disobey do the work and then report back to the spy and then have ThAT mailed to me. was kinda funny 03:32:14 hehehe. 03:32:28 people have been asking for an cgi based ampheta for a while now. 03:32:32 heheh 03:32:37 would be trivial to add mail capabilities ;) 03:32:46 I'm waiting for TouRSSt to come out so I can get RSS feeds mailed to me 03:32:53 TouRSSt? 03:32:58 oh hey! 03:33:01 you know about something i want in on... 03:33:06 what the hell is the name... 03:33:18 cedea or somethign? its a new product from some storyserver or something peopel? 03:33:19 It's a pun on tourist 03:33:23 they mentioned you on their site. 03:33:28 Really? 03:33:34 that's cool 03:33:37 yeah, iknow the pun, but not about the product. what's toursst? 03:33:46 yeah, they said you chatted with them and linked to blogspace. 03:33:47 toursst.sf.net 03:33:52 you know who i'm talking about? 03:33:58 hmm, no.... 03:34:04 oh, vaguely ues 03:34:04 damnit 03:34:06 err yes 03:34:12 long time ago, tho 03:34:55 oh. so you're not betaing the software or anything 03:34:56 hmm, do you remember the name? 03:35:01 damn f12 key 03:35:06 trying to find the name now 03:35:12 t was like cedea or somethign 03:38:35 ah here we go. 03:38:43 ceres 03:38:48 http://www.eastgate.com/Development/ 03:38:57 Oh, Ceres! Yes, yes. 03:38:59 Aaron Swartz, dropped in for lunch with the Ceres team last week. Lots of interesting ideas were tossed back and forth! 03:39:06 I am beta testing that. 03:39:10 ok. for macs? 03:39:14 is it open beta test? 03:39:14 Yep. 03:39:17 and no. 03:39:22 cost when final? 03:39:27 Probably 03:39:30 bah 03:39:32 ok. nevermind 03:39:37 Heh. 03:39:45 * AaronSw thinks he better get a free copy. 03:40:57 oh, and some random notes: amphetadesk was mentioned in researchbuzz.com agaim 03:41:05 and also in the 600th issue of tidbits :) 03:41:51 the mention in researchbuzz was in the pay only -extra. 03:42:17 Whoo, TidBITS?! 03:42:20 hat rocks 03:42:23 err that 03:42:27 extremely powerful it was a little too powerful for 03:42:27 what I was trying to do. I felt like I was using a 03:42:27 blowtorch to light a candle. But if you're looking for 03:42:27 additional features -- like being able to maintain a 03:42:27 Weblog -- it's great. Programmers and power users check 03:42:29 out this one first. It runs on Windows and Mac. 03:42:40 yeah, i was surprised with the tidbits mention too. 03:43:03 i emailed adam to say thanks and he said "No problem - I was jazzed when I realized AmphetaDesk was from someone we knew." 03:43:10 he knows me! whoo. that made me feel special :) 03:44:46 How does he know you? 03:45:30 i've emailed tidbits in response to various issues before. mostly small two or three email exchanges. nothing to "this is who i am" sort of stuff 03:45:45 so it was kinda neat that he remembered 03:46:19 Cool. 03:46:27 I wonder if he knows me... ;) 03:46:34 hehe. email him ;) 03:47:03 I used to be on TidBITS-talk but was unsubscribed during a mail-bouncing time 03:47:06 and never bothered to rejoin 03:47:25 i jumped on there once to talk about ... .. SeTEXT, but after slow response, i jumped off 03:47:31 Heh. 03:49:10 I tried to convince Adam to use RSS a couple times, but he was still feeling burnt from CDF or whatever. 03:49:20 uh. 03:49:20 Good to see he's relented. 03:49:29 he mentioned that in issue 600. 03:49:33 go check it out. 03:49:39 Did he mention me? 03:49:40 ;) 03:49:41 say thanks for the rss feed. maybe he'll remmeber ya ;) 03:50:02 I have such a TidBITS backlog, ugh 03:50:06 not you, no... maybe you should be like "yo, i'm the bitch that haraased you about rss'in. pease. 03:50:10 er sumthing 03:50:23 heh 03:51:02 heh. naked chicks with a mac. gota love it. 03:51:11 Huh? 03:55:53 just a matter of making an ocs-like list for them. 03:56:20 i may still do it in the future. i'm intrested in both 03:57:07 how would cams appear in amphetadesk? a new item every minute or so? 03:57:40 welp, you could do it with the nonstandard iframe, or just do a meta refresh on the html page 03:57:58 Heh, " I'd like an old-fashioned rendering of Uncle Sam, editing a weblog on a PC or a Mac." 03:58:05 heheheh 03:58:10 he's getting all patiortic and shit 03:58:28 That'd be a cool icon, tho 03:58:45 huh. 03:59:00 http://voidstar.com/rssify.php?url=http://michigantelephone.workbench.net/ 03:59:07