IRC log of swhack on 2001-10-11

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ASwartz is now known as AaronSw

00:13:31 [AaronSw]

LOL @ HumanML comments, sbp

00:13:41 [AaronSw]

from http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-10-10

00:15:08 [AaronSw]

LOL @ <IRCMP>, <Mackz> in http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-10-09

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00:43:55 [sbp]

<AaronSw> LOL @ HumanML comments, sbp

00:43:56 [sbp]

* sbp bows

00:44:06 [AaronSw]

Hi there!

00:45:26 [sbp]

Hi Aaron

00:45:51 [AaronSw]

Boy, there's a lot of email to catch up on.

00:46:33 [sbp]

* sbp checks his

00:46:41 [sbp]

ooh, none

00:46:54 [sbp]

no suprise seeing as how I only checked it about 30 seconds ago... :-)

00:50:50 [sbp]

* sbp had a handful of feedback from the HumanML list about those comments...

00:51:04 [sbp]

but not much. Phew

00:51:52 [sbp]

* sbp wonders about upgrading EARL 0.95 to 1.0: is it really necessary?

00:53:01 [AaronSw]

Heh: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/22113.html

00:53:12 [AaronSw]

[[[

00:53:16 [AaronSw]

We spoke to the Home Office - which was not overly entertained especially since the Census is supposed to be deadly serious. However the Home Office would not say what constituted a religion and we subsequently discovered that while you can be heavily fined for putting down false details on a census form, it does not apply to the religion question.

00:53:16 [AaronSw]

]]]

00:54:58 [sbp]

heh:-

00:54:59 [sbp]

[[[

00:55:00 [sbp]

The spokeswoman that clarified the situation for us was one Ms Knight (no relation but some irony).

00:55:00 [sbp]

]]]

00:55:54 [sbp]

"Would you rather meet Bill Gates or a topless model?"

00:56:03 [sbp]

Hmm... could you get back to me on that one?

00:56:10 [sbp]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/22150.html

00:56:30 [AaronSw]

What kind of a question is that?

00:57:50 [sbp]

lol!

00:57:51 [sbp]

[[[

00:57:52 [sbp]

What is concerning to us is the further evidence that educated people breed less, thus possibly serving to help lower the global IQ average.

00:57:52 [sbp]

]]]

00:57:56 [AaronSw]

Heh, I suppose Gerald's answer is documented in his LCS35 page.

00:58:05 [sbp]

LCS35? URI?

00:58:35 [AaronSw]

http://impressive.net/people/gerald/1999/04/lcs35/

00:58:46 [AaronSw]

google:lcs35 gerald oskoboiny

00:59:47 [sbp]

ah, so obvious!

01:00:40 [sbp]

Heh: "I was going to introduce myself, but couldn't think of anything nice to say. "

01:01:39 [AaronSw]

While we're name dropping, did I ever mention that Bill Gates almost worked for my Dad?

01:03:55 [sbp]

heh, no>]

01:04:03 [sbp]

s/>]/?

01:08:45 [AaronSw]

LOL: http://wmf.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader$5919?mode=day

01:08:54 [AaronSw]

Bill: Well, it's true.

01:09:06 [AaronSw]

that's re: the Bill Gates stuff, btw

01:11:46 [AaronSw]

Don't you hate it when someone sends a really long letter, and then someone replies with a two-sentence response and quotes the whole really long letter?

01:12:47 [sbp]

yes!

01:12:57 [sbp]

yes I do. > Don't you hate it when someone sends a really long letter, and then someone replies with a two-sentence response and quotes the whole really long letter?

01:13:19 [AaronSw]

:-)

01:14:51 [AaronSw]

Spam headlines: PUT YOUR LOVER INTO A COMA!

01:15:12 [sbp]

what's that selling?

01:15:27 [AaronSw]

Sex enhancement pills

01:15:44 [sbp]

wonder what's in 'em?

01:16:03 [AaronSw]

Since I love you so much, you can find out for me.

01:16:23 [AaronSw]

Hmm, but if I put you into a coma, who will do the work I'm now getting you to do...

01:16:41 [sbp]

* sbp wonders if Aaron has been drinking

01:17:15 [AaronSw]

*Root* Beer, *Root*!

01:17:32 [AaronSw]

Another thing I don't like: folks who put numbers at the end of their subject headers. Makes it look like spam.

01:17:52 [sbp]

numbers? example? [15]

01:18:38 [AaronSw]

Subject: I think this feed sucks #190172

01:19:00 [sbp]

I think that it prettifies it

01:19:26 [sbp]

* sbp is on a "convert adjectives into verbs in three easy steps" rant

01:19:41 [sbp]

[[[

01:19:41 [sbp]

> > [...] (happy is a verb).

01:19:41 [sbp]

>

01:19:41 [sbp]

> As in "you're to happy today"? :-) "Happify" would be the verb form of the

01:19:41 [sbp]

> adjective "happy"!

01:19:42 [sbp]

Okay, so happy is an adjective <grin/>

01:19:44 [sbp]

]]]

01:20:01 [sbp]

* sbp was the "> " quoted person

01:20:20 [AaronSw]

Dave Winer adds new function to Manila (Web server software): fbi.getTerrorist ()

01:20:23 [sbp]

so you don't cheer people up anymore: you happify them

01:20:40 [sbp]

cool function. How does it work?

01:20:51 [AaronSw]

Visits the FBI website.

01:21:02 [AaronSw]

Demo at: http://wmf.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader$5935

01:22:13 [sbp]

cool, it actually works

01:22:33 [AaronSw]

Wow, this is weird -- somebody sent me spam and it bounced because they thought my domain was a spammer domain, so they bounced my bounce.

01:22:59 [sbp]

note: add built-ins to self.queryquad()

01:23:04 [AaronSw]

Don't you hate it when people cite completely irrelevant (parts of an) RFC(s)?

01:23:20 [sbp]

not really; I think it's cute

01:25:06 [sbp]

* sbp gets a vague idea as to how to add the built-ins

01:25:35 [AaronSw]

Hmm, I don't think I swhacked when I figured it out:

01:26:17 [AaronSw]

<http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2169.html> dc:author [ foaf:name "Ron Daniel" ; is :member of [ foaf:name "RDF Core WG" ; :member [ foaf:name "Aaron Swartz ] ] ] .

01:27:04 [sbp]

are you sure that it was just root beer?

01:27:47 [AaronSw]

Ooh, real short bread cookies!

01:28:05 [sbp]

* sbp takes that as a no

01:29:15 [sbp]

aw man, adding built ins is gotta really bugger the code. Bugger it with bells on

01:30:04 [AaronSw]

See, you should rewrite it on top of a None-style query (need to figure out what those are really called)

01:30:22 [sbp]

WTF are you talking about? it does use a None-style query!

01:30:32 [sbp]

I keep on telling you :-)

01:31:00 [sbp]

problem is, for each query quad, I have to scan it to see if it contains any built in URIs

01:31:25 [AaronSw]

Oh, I see now.

01:31:28 [sbp]

then I have to note that for each time you want to add a query result to the vars store, you ned to check that it matches the bloody constraint

01:31:34 [AaronSw]

Yeah, that does suck.

01:31:54 [sbp]

sure does... it's a lot of extra code tacked on at the edges

01:31:54 [AaronSw]

Hmmph, why don't I remember things like <http://wmf.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader$5936> when I meet Ted Nelson!

01:32:39 [sbp]

"I don't see how it's possible to prevent documents from deleted"

01:32:46 [sbp]

I don't see how it's possible to prevent documents from grammer

01:33:02 [AaronSw]

Heh, you should reply with that.

01:33:06 [sbp]

:-)

01:33:13 [sbp]

you can, if you want

01:33:20 [AaronSw]

I will quote you.

01:33:26 [sbp]

if you like

01:33:28 [sbp]

:-)

01:33:37 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw sends to wmf by IRC, as opposed to HTTP

01:34:10 [sbp]

s/grammer/grammar, BTW

01:34:21 [sbp]

I don't see how it's possible to prevent documents from spelling...

01:36:28 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw finishes first pass over mailbox.

01:36:28 [AaronSw]

Well, now I only have to read 273 new messages.

01:36:41 [sbp]

hey, that's pretty good going

01:36:52 [AaronSw]

Not including messages from lists.

01:37:07 [AaronSw]

I have 7365 of those

01:37:11 [sbp]

lol!

01:37:20 [AaronSw]

Literally!

01:37:33 [sbp]

that's what makes it so funny

01:37:34 [AaronSw]

It's a hopeless struggle, I figure.

01:47:13 [sbp]

he should have told them to Ef off

01:47:49 [AaronSw]

ba dum bum!

01:48:09 [sbp]

don't forget the cymbal!

01:48:13 [sbp]

tsiii!

01:48:38 [AaronSw]

logster, grep -i todo

01:48:42 [logster]

I'm logging. I found 11 answers for 'todo' (showing 0...4)

01:48:43 [logster]

0) 2001-10-11 01:48:38 <AaronSw> logster, grep -i todo

01:48:44 [logster]

1) 2001-10-08 22:53:08 <Morbus> interuppts are on the todo. i've been lazy

01:48:45 [logster]

2) 2001-10-01 22:29:09 <Morbus> welp, if you shell into ScriptMenu.menu, it has the same sort of dir structure as others. including a TODOish like file ;)

01:48:46 [logster]

3) 2001-09-30 04:17:20 <AaronSw> TODO: Listen to Jimi Hendrix

01:48:47 [logster]

4) 2001-09-30 00:31:17 <AaronSw> TODO: Search for Internet-scale Linda systems

01:49:00 [AaronSw]

logster, grep 5-100 -i todo

01:49:02 [logster]

I'm logging. I found 2 answers for '-i todo' (showing 5...2)

01:49:12 [AaronSw]

Heh: showing 5...2

01:49:20 [sbp]

wonderful logic!

01:49:48 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw logs back in to the dual-monitor megabase

01:49:52 [sbp]

to Jimi: may I suggest Little Wing?

01:50:37 [AaronSw]

Of course. I wish AudioGalaxy would let other people add songs to my list

01:56:16 [AaronSw]

Eeek! What is all this mail in my Yahoo! Mail account?

01:57:08 [sbp]

you have a Yahoo! mail account?

01:57:36 [AaronSw]

Well, you get one for signing up to Yahoo! Groups

01:58:01 [AaronSw]

But I'm not sure why I'm getting www-archive messages there.

01:58:46 [sbp]

Kick-ass: A Characterization of Space Complexity Cases and Subexponential Time Classes

01:58:46 [sbp]

as Limiting Polynomially Decidable Sets

01:58:53 [sbp]

- http://www.icsi.berkeley.edu/ftp/global/pub/techreports/INDEX

02:02:13 [AaronSw]

Huh?

02:02:32 [sbp]

:-)

02:10:31 [AaronSw]

Huh?

02:11:54 [AaronSw]

So, since infomesh was close but not quite appropriate, I'm thinking of calling my meshy project datamesh or dataplex

02:12:24 [AaronSw]

Hmm, HP uses DataMesh

02:12:31 [sbp]

Dataplex it is!

02:12:37 [sbp]

Dataplex... tsk

02:12:37 [AaronSw]

"DataMesh is a storage architecture designed for parallel operation. This document describes the first version of the DataMesh architecture _ that intended to provide a flexible, scalable, parallel block service. "

02:12:44 [AaronSw]

Sounds like what I was going to do.

02:12:50 [sbp]

Heh heh heh

02:13:16 [AaronSw]

DataPlex is a large series of companies, as is WebPlex

02:13:26 [AaronSw]

Oh, WebPlex is DataPlex's product

02:13:54 [AaronSw]

Hmm, DataWeb: """The DataWeb is the infrastructure for intelligent browsing and accessing data across the Internet. The DataWeb brings together under one umbrella demographic, economic, environmental, health, (and more) datasets that are usually separated by geography and/or organization."""

02:14:17 [AaronSw]

- http://www.thedataweb.org/

02:27:05 [sbp]

what the smeg is this?: Subject[predicate] = object

02:27:23 [AaronSw]

What's wrong with that?

02:27:37 [AaronSw]

I thought it was a clever mapping.

02:27:38 [sbp]

what is it?

02:27:50 [sbp]

what about multiple objects?

02:27:59 [AaronSw]

It's a way to create RDF statements using the Py interface -- just one way.

02:28:23 [sbp]

yeah, but if you have :x :y :z . :x :y :a . what does x[y] return?

02:28:55 [sbp]

<yod> I'm not perfectly aware of MIT/LCS policy, but I know part of the answer, which is rpmfind

02:29:03 [sbp]

of course! it's so obvious now

02:30:17 [AaronSw]

x[y] returns a list... hmm, so i guess setting it should be a list too

02:31:02 [sbp]

so, would it return a list with one member if there was just one subject?

02:31:28 [sbp]

[[[

02:31:29 [sbp]

The DNS tables have been restored and everything should be cleaned up now, Daniel]

02:31:30 [sbp]

]]]

02:31:49 [sbp]

why is that guy talking to Daniel?

02:31:55 [sbp]

on http://rpmfind.net/

02:33:06 [AaronSw]

s/subject/object/ makes the answer yes, I think

02:33:14 [AaronSw]

hmm, perhaps no.

02:33:31 [AaronSw]

it's a tradeoff between easier to code and making apps barf when there are multiple objects

02:33:57 [AaronSw]

I think he means to sign it Daniel, not address it to him.

02:33:59 [sbp]

Grgprmgprmgh

02:34:13 [sbp]

sign it: yeah, I realised that. Grammar is not a time of waste

02:34:41 [sbp]

Marge: You're not even listening to me, Homer

02:34:45 [sbp]

Homer: Sure they will!

02:34:56 [AaronSw]

Heh.

02:34:59 [AaronSw]

"Grgprmgprmgh" re what?

02:35:07 [sbp]

<AaronSw> it's a tradeoff between easier to code and making apps barf when there are multiple objects

02:35:17 [sbp]

perhaps I should have appended it to my reply :-)

02:35:40 [sbp]

Gotta run

02:35:43 [AaronSw]

I figured as much. What didn't I listen to?

02:35:45 [AaronSw]

ok, c'ta

02:35:48 [AaronSw]

err c'ya

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sbp has quit

02:40:30 [AaronSw]

[[[Why get a motorhome? Is it merely to put the "ugly" back into "Ugly American"? These things guzzle fuel, combine all the maintenance problems of a poorly constructed house and a poorly constructed truck, clog the highways, are impossible to park, and are tough to drive in a straight line. ]]]

02:40:35 [AaronSw]

- http://www.photo.net/webtravel/motorhomes/intro

02:40:45 [AaronSw]

Seen this before, but hadn't swhacked it.

02:40:53 [AaronSw]

swhacking is such a great verb.

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03:18:18 [Morbus]

aaron!

03:18:22 [Morbus]

just the person i wanted to talk to

03:18:24 [AaronSw]

Morbus!

03:18:30 [Morbus]

i tell ya, i'm getting a lot of complaints about you.

03:18:31 [AaronSw]

Man, I need to get myself a copy of "Hyperland"

03:18:37 [AaronSw]

complaints about me?

03:18:52 [Morbus]

hyperland? related to flatland?

03:18:52 [AaronSw]

I didn't do anything! Really! It wasn't me!

03:18:56 [Morbus]

not you, but blogspace.

03:19:03 [AaronSw]

oh, what sorts of complaints?

03:19:30 [Morbus]

mostly "amphetadesk doesn't load this channel!", "welp, looks like blogspace timed out again, try voidstar"

03:20:00 [AaronSw]

Yes, there's been some, ehm, instability the past few days -- it should be back strong now, tho

03:20:24 [Morbus]

k. i rarely notice it myself. i'm just happy i can mention voidstar to people.

03:20:26 [Morbus]

so what's hyperland/

03:20:45 [Morbus]

voidstar as an alternative.

03:20:54 [Morbus]

i sent about 2 people a day to blogify ;)

03:20:55 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw cries... i'm such a failure!

03:21:07 [Morbus]

oh, it's ok ;)

03:21:22 [Morbus]

trying to get louisrosenfield.com to use it

03:21:27 [AaronSw]

Yeah, i'm looking into moving my server empire to MIT or someplace where it'll be really fast and stable

03:21:32 [Morbus]

he seemed real interested when i mentioned it to him

03:21:46 [Morbus]

disobey's hosted on a t1 about three blocks from my house :)

03:22:08 [Morbus]

t1 is good enough for me.

03:22:13 [AaronSw]

blogspace.com is on a T1 on the other side of the country

03:22:17 [AaronSw]

but, no, i still get complaints

03:22:18 [Morbus]

most of my stuff is lowbandwidth, so i rarely stress it.

03:22:37 [Morbus]

ah. i'm on a sprint line that goes straight to a hub in ny. impressive.

03:22:51 [Morbus]

our old providers have had a couple of hops between, but this is 1 hop.

03:22:51 [AaronSw]

louisrosenfeld.com doesn't resolve for me.

03:23:02 [AaronSw]

hah, i'm actually on a sprint line in NY!

03:23:07 [Morbus]

heheheh.

03:23:26 [Morbus]

that's funny. for access, or webhosting?

03:23:27 [AaronSw]

Hmm, actually it's ggn

03:23:53 [Morbus]

oop. mispelt: http://www.louisrosenfeld.com/

03:23:58 [AaronSw]

oh, i meant blogspace.com is on that line

03:24:09 [AaronSw]

in NY

03:24:26 [Morbus]

ah. that may explain why i never have timeouts on it :)

03:24:42 [AaronSw]

Ah, Louis wrote IA4WWW, cool.

03:25:17 [AaronSw]

Indeed, IKEA has great IA: http://www-personal.si.umich.edu/~khage/ikea.html

03:25:24 [Morbus]

i have my site monitored by edoppler.com and never see problems

03:25:39 [Morbus]

yeah, he had mentioned rss last week sometime, and i chimed in with blogify

03:26:06 [AaronSw]

Hmm, edoppler.com... I was using a site but it disappeared, so i swithced to uptime.openacs.or

03:26:08 [Morbus]

http://www.edoppler.com/cgi-bin/rpt3.cgi?sortby=media&city=boston

03:26:08 [AaronSw]

err org

03:26:31 [Morbus]

specifically: http://www.edoppler.com/cgi-bin/itr_hist.cgi?site=disobey&city=boston

03:26:57 [Morbus]

or city=seattle

03:26:59 [Morbus]

etc

03:27:01 [AaronSw]

their "we watch the web" eyeball is scaring me

03:27:05 [Morbus]

lol

03:27:14 [Morbus]

yeah, they used to be called dibbledop, without the eyeball

03:27:17 [Morbus]

was much calmer

03:27:19 [Morbus]

:)

03:27:34 [AaronSw]

Hmmph:

03:27:36 [AaronSw]

We are currently not accepting new free monitoring submissions.

03:27:36 [AaronSw]

Please check back again.

03:27:41 [Morbus]

OOoh.

03:27:41 [AaronSw]

</quote>

03:27:57 [Morbus]

hehe... that's too bad. i've had disobey in there for abotu two years now

03:28:01 [Morbus]

you could try spyonit.com though

03:28:08 [Morbus]

they have a site monitor that will email you when they can't reach the site

03:28:13 [Morbus]

doesn'tmeasure response time though.

03:28:20 [AaronSw]

Yeah, I use that for other sites but it's not worth it for my own since they're so slow at checking

03:28:25 [AaronSw]

they only check like ever 12 hrs or something

03:28:29 [Morbus]

yeah.

03:28:30 [AaronSw]

uptime.openacs isn't bad

03:28:47 [AaronSw]

they sent me "your site is down" like 40 times while I was away ;-/

03:28:49 [Morbus]

i know one of the creators of spyonit, i could see if i could get you something sooner if you really want it

03:29:01 [AaronSw]

Oh, you do? cool, thank him for me.

03:29:09 [AaronSw]

it's a nice servicce... was going to do similar with my.theinfo.org but never finished

03:29:15 [Morbus]

for what? getting bought out by someone who gutted them?

03:29:18 [Morbus]

i'm bitter ;)

03:29:23 [AaronSw]

Yeah, well that part sucks

03:29:26 [Morbus]

i started using spyonit longlong ago

03:29:31 [AaronSw]

and they won't listen to my pleas to use rss

03:29:34 [Morbus]

was one of the first thirdparty developers for it.

03:29:41 [AaronSw]

they tell me to pay up for rss feeds, pah!

03:29:46 [Morbus]

they sent me free tshirts, etc.

03:29:55 [Morbus]

directed peopel to me for tech support. kinda funny ;)

03:30:04 [Morbus]

i'm still on good turns with Matt there. he likes amphetadesk

03:30:04 [AaronSw]

Cool.

03:30:09 [AaronSw]

Blogspace:

03:30:09 [AaronSw]

2001-10-10 18:27:49 : back_up

03:30:09 [AaronSw]

*2001-10-10 18:11:12 : down

03:30:09 [AaronSw]

*2001-10-10 17:33:23 : back_up

03:30:09 [AaronSw]

*2001-10-10 17:06:24 : down

03:30:09 [AaronSw]

*2001-10-10 16:26:31 : back_up

03:30:11 [AaronSw]

*2001-10-10 16:10:21 : down

03:30:13 [AaronSw]

*

03:30:15 [AaronSw]

- http://uptime.openacs.org/uptime/reports.tcl?monitor_id=5866

03:30:17 [AaronSw]

Hmmph.

03:30:18 [Morbus]

i keep offering him to develop email capability in amphetadesk and then welcome him back to an open source spyonti.

03:30:33 [Morbus]

;)

03:30:44 [Morbus]

the dev section is gone frmo spyonit now though. its pretty gutted, which sucks ass.

03:31:20 [AaronSw]

yuck

03:31:22 [Morbus]

i created a camworld.com email spy which still works ;)

03:31:33 [AaronSw]

yeah, it's how i watch weblogs

03:31:36 [Morbus]

its the only one thats left from my stuff. everything else has broken do to site redesigns.

03:32:10 [AaronSw]

hmm, why don't you code up an opensource version for me and i'll host it ;)

03:32:11 [Morbus]

at the end, when they stopped updating their devtools, i was just sending a spy to a perl script on disobey and having disobey do the work and then report back to the spy and then have ThAT mailed to me. was kinda funny

03:32:14 [Morbus]

hehehe.

03:32:28 [Morbus]

people have been asking for an cgi based ampheta for a while now.

03:32:32 [AaronSw]

heheh

03:32:37 [Morbus]

would be trivial to add mail capabilities ;)

03:32:46 [AaronSw]

I'm waiting for TouRSSt to come out so I can get RSS feeds mailed to me

03:32:53 [Morbus]

TouRSSt?

03:32:58 [Morbus]

oh hey!

03:33:01 [Morbus]

you know about something i want in on...

03:33:06 [Morbus]

what the hell is the name...

03:33:18 [Morbus]

cedea or somethign? its a new product from some storyserver or something peopel?

03:33:19 [AaronSw]

It's a pun on tourist

03:33:23 [Morbus]

they mentioned you on their site.

03:33:28 [AaronSw]

Really?

03:33:34 [AaronSw]

that's cool

03:33:37 [Morbus]

yeah, iknow the pun, but not about the product. what's toursst?

03:33:46 [Morbus]

yeah, they said you chatted with them and linked to blogspace.

03:33:47 [AaronSw]

toursst.sf.net

03:33:52 [Morbus]

you know who i'm talking about?

03:33:58 [AaronSw]

hmm, no....

03:34:04 [AaronSw]

oh, vaguely ues

03:34:04 [Morbus]

damnit

03:34:06 [AaronSw]

err yes

03:34:12 [AaronSw]

long time ago, tho

03:34:55 [Morbus]

oh. so you're not betaing the software or anything

03:34:56 [AaronSw]

hmm, do you remember the name?

03:35:01 [Morbus]

damn f12 key

03:35:06 [Morbus]

trying to find the name now

03:35:12 [Morbus]

t was like cedea or somethign

03:38:35 [Morbus]

ah here we go.

03:38:43 [Morbus]

ceres

03:38:48 [Morbus]

http://www.eastgate.com/Development/

03:38:57 [AaronSw]

Oh, Ceres! Yes, yes.

03:38:59 [Morbus]

Aaron Swartz, dropped in for lunch with the Ceres team last week. Lots of interesting ideas were tossed back and forth!

03:39:06 [AaronSw]

I am beta testing that.

03:39:10 [Morbus]

ok. for macs?

03:39:14 [Morbus]

is it open beta test?

03:39:14 [AaronSw]

Yep.

03:39:17 [AaronSw]

and no.

03:39:22 [Morbus]

cost when final?

03:39:27 [AaronSw]

Probably

03:39:30 [Morbus]

bah

03:39:32 [Morbus]

ok. nevermind <g>

03:39:37 [AaronSw]

Heh.

03:39:45 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw thinks he better get a free copy.

03:40:57 [Morbus]

oh, and some random notes: amphetadesk was mentioned in researchbuzz.com agaim

03:41:05 [Morbus]

and also in the 600th issue of tidbits :)

03:41:51 [Morbus]

the mention in researchbuzz was in the pay only -extra.

03:42:17 [AaronSw]

Whoo, TidBITS?!

03:42:20 [AaronSw]

hat rocks

03:42:23 [AaronSw]

err that

03:42:27 [Morbus]

extremely powerful it was a little too powerful for

03:42:27 [Morbus]

what I was trying to do. I felt like I was using a

03:42:27 [Morbus]

blowtorch to light a candle. But if you're looking for

03:42:27 [Morbus]

additional features -- like being able to maintain a

03:42:27 [Morbus]

Weblog -- it's great. Programmers and power users check

03:42:29 [Morbus]

out this one first. It runs on Windows and Mac.

03:42:40 [Morbus]

yeah, i was surprised with the tidbits mention too.

03:43:03 [Morbus]

i emailed adam to say thanks and he said "No problem - I was jazzed when I realized AmphetaDesk was from someone we knew."

03:43:10 [Morbus]

he knows me! whoo. that made me feel special :)

03:44:46 [AaronSw]

How does he know you?

03:45:30 [Morbus]

i've emailed tidbits in response to various issues before. mostly small two or three email exchanges. nothing to "this is who i am" sort of stuff

03:45:45 [Morbus]

so it was kinda neat that he remembered

03:46:19 [AaronSw]

Cool.

03:46:27 [AaronSw]

I wonder if he knows me... ;)

03:46:34 [Morbus]

hehe. email him ;)

03:47:03 [AaronSw]

I used to be on TidBITS-talk but was unsubscribed during a mail-bouncing time

03:47:06 [AaronSw]

and never bothered to rejoin

03:47:25 [Morbus]

i jumped on there once to talk about ... .. SeTEXT, but after slow response, i jumped off

03:47:31 [AaronSw]

Heh.

03:49:10 [AaronSw]

I tried to convince Adam to use RSS a couple times, but he was still feeling burnt from CDF or whatever.

03:49:20 [Morbus]

uh.

03:49:20 [AaronSw]

Good to see he's relented.

03:49:29 [Morbus]

he mentioned that in issue 600.

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go check it out.

03:49:39 [AaronSw]

Did he mention me?

03:49:40 [AaronSw]

;)

03:49:41 [Morbus]

say thanks for the rss feed. maybe he'll remmeber ya ;)

03:50:02 [AaronSw]

I have such a TidBITS backlog, ugh

03:50:06 [Morbus]

not you, no... maybe you should be like "yo, i'm the bitch that haraased you about rss'in. pease.

03:50:10 [Morbus]

er sumthing

03:50:23 [AaronSw]

heh

03:51:02 [Morbus]

heh. naked chicks with a mac. gota love it.

03:51:11 [AaronSw]

Huh?

03:55:53 [Morbus]

just a matter of making an ocs-like list for them.

03:56:20 [Morbus]

i may still do it in the future. i'm intrested in both

03:57:07 [AaronSw]

how would cams appear in amphetadesk? a new item every minute or so?

03:57:40 [Morbus]

welp, you could do it with the nonstandard iframe, or just do a meta refresh on the html page

03:57:58 [AaronSw]

Heh, " I'd like an old-fashioned rendering of Uncle Sam, editing a weblog on a PC or a Mac."

03:58:05 [Morbus]

heheheh

03:58:10 [Morbus]

he's getting all patiortic and shit

03:58:28 [AaronSw]

That'd be a cool icon, tho

03:58:45 [Morbus]

huh.

03:59:00 [Morbus]

http://voidstar.com/rssify.php?url=http://michigantelephone.workbench.net/

03:59:07 [Morbus]

check that out - looks like voidstra truncates title fields

04:00:09 [AaronSw]

Title fields? It just strips out the first few non-htmltag chars of the item, i think

04:00:24 [AaronSw]

Like: "Ameritech called bully in phone fightThe Madison ( ..."

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from the first entry ... parts of area, 517 no ...

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that's "no" as in "now'

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that trunc makes no sense

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Yeah, it just truncates... it

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it's pretty bad

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Hmm, now I know where Dave Winer

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's Mom works.

04:25:50 [AaronSw]

Oh dear, Edward Gorey died: http://www.salon.com/people/obit/2000/04/17/goreyobit/print.html

04:25:56 [AaronSw]

At least he wasn't kept in bondage by a drunken brute until he finally escaped only to be run over by a carriage driven by his own father, who didn't recognize the emaciated body as that of his son.

04:40:43 [AaronSw]

Shell game looks absolutely beautiful -- I'll have to read it sometime.

04:46:21 [AaronSw]

http://treedragon.com/vex/about.htm

04:46:44 [AaronSw]

David McCusker blows me away.

04:48:20 [AaronSw]

Paul Snively's quite interesting too.

13:57:44 [AaronSw]

Some days I feel like a crawler, searching Web/Email/IRC for useful information.

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--

14:12:17 [AaronSw]

Possibly useful for schoolyard subversion:

14:12:59 [AaronSw]

I always feel bad when I do work assigned to me in class, because I _know_ the stuff I'm going to hand in isn't good enough.

14:13:19 [AaronSw]

However, everytime I think this, I'm continually disappointed as the teacher had far lower standards than I did.

14:13:50 [AaronSw]

I'd bet than over time this phenomenon will have a negative effect on my standards. That makes me sad.

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...

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14:57:35 [AaronSw]

hello!

14:57:40 [sbp]

Hi there!

14:57:44 [AaronSw]

Want to go around telling people that their XML sucks?

14:57:49 [sbp]

Sure

14:57:50 [AaronSw]

Sign up at: http://www.syndic8.com/index.php

14:58:32 [sbp]

Ooh, syndication

14:58:48 [AaronSw]

It's a magic word! :)

14:58:55 [sbp]

In other news, I built a "working" inference engine

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in under 3KB

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Wow... how does it work?

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I figured out that I only needed to change one very small piece of the query engine (just append a function that adds the results to the store based upon an output context), and it was done

15:00:04 [AaronSw]

Heheheh, you get points for doing Syndic8 work... one guy has 2562 points.... the guy who created the site has 55.

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lol

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I wonder if he was the one who complained he was being cheated out of points.

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Hmm... change the query engine... that's clever.

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Ooh, i have 37 points.

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what happened there?

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hello?

15:03:58 [lilo]

[GlobalNotice] Hi all. Services will be back up in a moment, after the usual set of splits. Please bear with us.

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Hmm, something odd

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What did you do?

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nothing at all, it just cut me off

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Grgrgmrpmgh

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AaronSw has changed the topic to: RDF Singalong Songs! (Come right in...)

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* sbp needs a good test for SWIPT.infer

15:07:28 [AaronSw]

So you do contexts now...

15:07:36 [sbp]

yeah

15:07:41 [sbp]

here's the example I use:-

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f.n3: <#Sean> <#likes> <#TheSimpsons> . <#Sean> <#likes> <#SemanticWeb> . <#Sean> <#name> "Sean" .

15:08:11 [sbp]

fq.n3: <#Sean> <#likes> ?x <#p> . ?x <#likedBy> <#Sean> <#q> . <#p> <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/log#implies> <#q> .

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output:-

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<#Sean> <#name> "Sean" . <#TheSimpsons> <#likedBy> <#Sean> <#q> . <#SemanticWeb> <#likedBy> <#Sean> <#q> .

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er... I need to get rid of the "<#q>" in the output

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@@ todo

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Basis: :John :father :Paul . :Paul :father :Bob . :Bob :father :Al .

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Rule: {?x :father ?y. ?y father ?z} log:implies {?x :ancestor ?z} .

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Output: :John :ancestor :Al .

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would be a good example.

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* sbp tries it

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<#John> <#father> <#Paul> .

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bugger

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oh well, smeg that then

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more bug fixing to do, then...

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Gotta run

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c'ya

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What is with Mark Bernstein changing the colors of his weblog?

15:33:39 [AaronSw]

[[[

15:33:42 [AaronSw]

Ironically, the fear that capitalism, mass production, and affordable access mean the death of art is, at present, more closely associated with the academic Left than with the reactionary Right; the Right seems chiefly concerned with abortion, homosexuality, and nudes.

15:33:42 [AaronSw]

]]]

15:33:45 [AaronSw]

- http://www.eastgate.com/tails/

15:34:01 [AaronSw]

Grr, frames... http://www.eastgate.com/tails/country_houses.html

15:41:02 [AaronSw]

Ahh, the colors are because of http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1564966038/coolbooks02

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--

16:08:05 [AaronSw]

This is new for a Republican congressman -- since I keep telling him to support the environment, he's sent me a briefing on the steps he's taken to support it. Wow~

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s/~/!/

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Heh: "This Mailing was prepared, published, and mailed at the taxpayer expense." Apparently they didn't have enough money to proofread it. ;-)

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--

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* AaronSw orders an Ethernet cared for his TiVo

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http://www.9thtee.com/tivonet.htm

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s/cared/card/

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Hello

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Media Lab demo days is on! http://real.media.mit.edu:8080/ramgen/encoder/highlive.rm

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Some AI guy on now.

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Doing adaptive UIs for programs.

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user creates vocab and machine "learns" what it "means"

16:45:18 [AaronSw]

AaronSw has changed the topic to: Media Lab demo days is on! http://real.media.mit.edu:8080/ramgen/encoder/highlive.rm

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Hmm, neat demo.

16:48:09 [AaronSw]

"Select all the yellow circles" and it does it.

16:48:24 [AaronSw]

It learsn the terms by you taling it thru your work in the normal UI

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Like you click on the circle tool and say, this is a circle, etc.

16:48:47 [AaronSw]

Now using this to build a robot.

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Giving robot goals in life, feeding it "robot cookies" if it's good.

16:53:14 [AaronSw]

Joe Pompeii, creator of the Audio Spotlight is in his last semester.

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He's shrunken down the Audio Spotlight down to a tiny box! Wow.

16:54:26 [AaronSw]

I was thinking of getting one for a Halloween prank.

16:56:34 [AaronSw]

New guy detecting singers from MP3 files... distinguishing.

16:56:52 [AaronSw]

... social preferences work

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... "Metadata extraction"

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... Now we only use collaborative filtering, but not the best -- lots more musical-based information to use

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Cool, he's doing Eikon for music.

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he just reduces it down to a sine wave.. .doesn't work to well

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looking at instruments, previous listening experience, etc.

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as an alternative

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Yuck, company rep wants to point out how high the switching cost it is... and is happy about it.

17:06:08 [AaronSw]

-- Wow, these are ugly couches: http://www.surefit.net/ugly_semi.cfm --

17:09:13 [AaronSw]

Whee, it's the Parrot Lady!

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Hmm, maybe not -- it's the other lady... the one who creates digital people.

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Key part of humans: telling stories

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Make trust judgements in other a 30th of a second.

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Whee, it's REA -- the virtual real estate agent. She was in the ACM.

17:15:38 [AaronSw]

Ahh, cool it's the talking dollhouse.

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SAM.

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MACK, a virtual receptionist.

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SAM causes kids to tell more elaborate stories than when by themselves or with their friends.

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People trust this system more when the computer talks... at least extroverts do

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People signal topic changes by making body shifts... unfold their arms, etc.

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extroverts pay more money for houses f2f, introverts paid more via phone

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People talking to characters on a PDA.

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People still use hand gestures, but at a lower frequency with a PDA.

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BEAT -- black box that generates non-verbal behavior only from text

17:20:58 [AaronSw]

bookmarking... Street Performer Protocol in HTML: http://www.firstmonday.org/issues/issue4_6/kelsey/

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"While doing this study... we had to go to Harvard to find extroverts"

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Heheh.

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Those MITers.

17:24:57 [AaronSw]

Aww! Stan Winston's giving a class!

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Lunch Break

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Hi sbp

17:29:04 [sbp]

Hi Aaron

17:29:19 [AaronSw]

Nick Negroponte at 2

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So how're things?

17:45:49 [AaronSw]

Apparently it's easy to find out if someone's an introvert: Do you spend a lot of time alone? Do you work at MIT?

17:46:00 [AaronSw]

From the Media Lab presentation.

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Gary Lawrence Murphy: """Babies are false advertising. I can say that because I've done it five times and still haven't learned that lesson ;) I'm beginning to think they all eventually grow up to have blue hair."""

17:48:09 [AaronSw]

Pablo Picasso: "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." (from his .sig)

18:30:30 [AaronSw]

OK, Media Lab is back on.

18:34:48 [AaronSw]

Negroponte is on. ...Want to center the Media Lab around "Digital Nations" -- like Media for countries, not companies

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Not directing the Media is like having it as grandchildren... assets, not liabilities

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(Negroponte resigned after a freak bathtub incident -- I'm not kidding!)

18:40:37 [AaronSw]

-- Julian Bond on Manchester United: "Football is not a matter of Life and Death, it's more important than that!" --

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Aaron, your server is slow...

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Yeah, I know.

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What this time?

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pardon?

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What exactly is so slow?

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the #swhack server logs

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probably due to the thousands of people trying to download them

19:06:42 [AaronSw]

Oh, of course.

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I dunno, they're quite speedy for me.

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* AaronSw tries out Radio4's radio hypertext: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/wheel/sneakpreview.shtml

19:09:17 [AaronSw]

(now that the Media Lab bit is over)

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Gotta run

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c'ya

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Another Morbus sighting!

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ooooeeeee

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Ted Nelson: """writing is essentially what I would call a two-God system, because God the author proposes and God the reader disposes. The author is completely free to do anything on the page that he likes."""

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- http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1581000/1581891.stm

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hi guys

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i prefer the term, hi girls

22:26:00 [AaronSw]

OK, then. hi girl

22:32:18 [AaronSw]

Dan Connolly: """Now there's a red flag right there: the guy who has been doing symbolic logic for breakfast since about the time I was born got this wrong several times."""

22:41:19 [AaronSw]

Wheee, Media Lab is on again.

22:42:27 [Morbus]

what is it?

22:43:04 [AaronSw]

Stan Winston -- the guy who does the animatronics for Star Wars, etc.

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founded the Digital Domain SFX company

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Oooh.

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he's making action figures to compete with mcfarlane

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Wow, he's done a lot of movies.

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bah, i need a secretary

23:07:51 [AaronSw]

heh, you and everyone else

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you wanna be each other person's secretary?

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that way, we'll realize that we CAN'T have secretaries

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because we'll both screw up the other's shit

23:10:39 [AaronSw]

heh, yeah -- that's why i don't want a secretar, but it seems everyone else does

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... well at least people who've had them in the past

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'lo

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'i

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'

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')

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'?

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:-) -> ')

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'!

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'~'

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?

23:23:43 [Morbus]

ok

23:23:52 [Morbus]

i think we can certifably give eahc other the pathetic award.

23:23:58 [Morbus]

funny, this kinda reminsd me of the old bbs days

23:24:03 [Morbus]

remmeber ansi art?

23:24:10 [Morbus]

welp, my friend and i invented basn

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"bad ascii short notice"

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the goal, to create a piece of ascii work in a chat room as fast as possible when you know you can't go backwards.

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was oh so enjoyable.

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i still have some of the horrible things we made ;)

23:24:41 [AaronSw]

Stan Winston: Teddy from AI was most difficult robot, had to relate with audience, but was great actor

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Heheh, sounds fun.

23:25:01 [Morbus]

teddy stole that movie

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i cared more about him than haley

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when he fell from the heli-thing, i was like NooOOOoO!

23:25:44 [AaronSw]

Heheh.

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sbp has changed the topic to: #swhack: winner of the prestigious Morbus/disobey.com "pathetic" award, 2001

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lol @ topic

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teddy was great.

23:26:06 [AaronSw]

Stan wanted to do Haley as a robot too ;)

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hyehehehe

23:26:33 [AaronSw]

Steven wouldn't go for it.

23:33:02 [Morbus]

oh, did you hear of the window compression thingy for osx?

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i gotta try it in a bit.

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and there's this new software i wanna try.

23:33:19 [AaronSw]

no... what is it?

23:33:38 [Morbus]

welp, there's two sw's i'm trying soon: http://www.stimpsoft.com/products/snapperhead.html

23:34:15 [Morbus]

http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/6411

23:34:22 [Morbus]

and i'll forward you the memory thing

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sent to aswartz@logicerror.com

23:34:58 [sbp]

* sbp goes on a little "don't embed XML RDF into XHTML!" spree, on w-v

23:35:04 [AaronSw]

heheh

23:35:12 [AaronSw]

But you're ruining the fun, sbp!

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He he he

23:35:28 [sbp]

TS! :-)

23:35:39 [Morbus]

wv?

23:36:12 [sbp]

t**** s***

23:36:20 [Morbus]

aaronSw, i'm up to a total of $35 for amphet ;)

23:36:26 [AaronSw]

woo!

23:36:27 [sbp]

er... sorry, wrong one

23:36:27 [Morbus]

not TS, w-v? what's w-v?

23:36:33 [sbp]

w**-v********

23:36:35 [Morbus]

yeah,. i'm in the chips now

23:36:40 [AaronSw]

Morbus, if this window compression thing is true why didn't apple ship it?

23:36:50 [Morbus]

i have no flipping clue. that's what someone else asked on the list. no response yet

23:37:34 [AaronSw]

www-validator

23:37:43 [sbp]

aw, Aaron. Now who spoils the fun?

23:37:46 [Morbus]

hehehehe

23:37:49 [sbp]

:-)

23:37:57 [AaronSw]

well, you could have denied it, sbp!

23:38:05 [Morbus]

touchE!

23:38:15 [sbp]

no I couldn't

23:39:45 [sbp]

How Not To Be Seen

23:39:54 [sbp]

Rule 1: Don't stand up

23:40:15 [sbp]

Rule 2: Don't hide behind obvious bushes

23:40:23 [sbp]

Rule 3: Don't hide behind bushes

23:40:35 [sbp]

Rule 4: Don't hide in water barrels

23:40:38 [AaronSw]

That was a great short.

23:40:46 [sbp]

Rule 5: Don't speak whilst in filing cabinets

23:40:53 [Morbus]

or mailboxes

23:40:54 [sbp]

certainly was

23:41:45 [sbp]

perhaps I could do that in RDF?

23:41:49 [Morbus]

hey did anyone else get contacted by bcg.com for an O.S. server?

23:41:57 [Morbus]

or contacted from gnu.org about their free software?

23:42:11 [AaronSw]

Huh?

23:42:13 [Morbus]

i've been getting hit a lot by legitimate os/fs mail. just wondering if its just me

23:42:21 [AaronSw]

What'd gnu.org say?

23:42:50 [Morbus]

so chick^H^H^H^H^Hladylike person sent me an email about being included in a GNU published free software list

23:43:02 [sbp]

lol

23:43:32 [Morbus]

and then i got a survey thingy due to amphetadesk being on sf or something

23:44:26 [AaronSw]

Ahh, see that's it -- you whore out to freshmeat and the like

23:44:36 [Morbus]

i haven't done anything to fm. am i on fm?

23:44:50 [Morbus]

i don't even know. haven't spammed ampheta much to the linux engines

23:45:05 [sbp]

I'm suprised that they didn't do: "There is one important rule for not being seen: don't stand up, and don't hide behind bush... two! there are two important..."

23:45:08 [Morbus]

oh what the hell.

23:45:19 [Morbus]

i can't flipping approve sites on syndic8 with ie 5.1

23:45:22 [Morbus]

the buttons don't show up

23:45:33 [sbp]

use Mozilla!

23:45:42 [AaronSw]

They show up for me!

23:45:48 [Morbus]

? maybe i fucked up.

23:45:59 [Morbus]

i tried to add the feed, it said it existed, i went to it, and the buttons aren't ther.

23:46:08 [Morbus]

lemme try urlhacking the review

23:46:12 [AaronSw]

His new character is a talking robot for children -- it looks like an overgrown Furby. ick. he's looking for a name

23:46:22 [AaronSw]

Yeah, try adding Mode=appr to the URL

23:46:32 [Morbus]

oh yeah, there they are

23:48:51 [sbp]

sbp has quit

23:51:36 [Morbus]

well, that sucks.

23:51:43 [Morbus]

somehow my eudora mail statistics got wiped out

23:53:46 [AaronSw]

ick

23:54:03 [Morbus]

sniff

23:54:12 [Morbus]

i've had 1905 for this year, and 1903 this month.

23:54:15 [Morbus]

dammit. i want my stats!

23:54:20 [Morbus]

they stretched back to august of 2000.

23:54:32 [AaronSw]

XML corruption!

23:54:48 [Morbus]

or something.

23:55:09 [Morbus]

looking at the xml shows the stats i read, not corruption. damn thing probably started over and didn't back it up so i coudl fix it.

23:55:11 [AaronSw]

keep good backups, man

23:55:14 [Morbus]

guess i could fundge the numbers ;)

23:55:30 [AaronSw]

http://uprizer.com/ launches!

23:56:06 [Morbus]

what's that?

23:56:16 [AaronSw]

Commercial Freenet

23:56:29 [Morbus]

aj

23:56:31 [Morbus]

ah

23:56:45 [Morbus]

man, they couldn't saved me an excruciating marketing gumbo paragrpah read if they just said that

23:57:53 [Morbus]

ah well.

23:57:56 [Morbus]

deleting the stats.

23:58:04 [AaronSw]

Heh

23:58:04 [Morbus]

cos it's still thinks i'm reading from aug2000.

23:58:10 [Morbus]

so i'm getting skweed stats now. :)

23:58:21 [deltab]

where do the apporve/skip buttons appear on syndic8?

23:58:32 [AaronSw]

Under the info box

23:58:39 [Morbus]

log in, become a reviewer, click the home page button, "start reviewing"