00:01:48 logster has joined #swhack 00:01:48 Users on #swhack: logster @sbp Morbus AaronSw tav` tav deltab 00:01:52 thanks archiverProxy! 00:02:34 sbp, so on that reification issue -- the question is why would one need contexts as part of the language? 00:02:55 how are they important to every rdf user? 00:03:14 because they allow one to do rules easily 00:03:26 well, they allow people to do rules at all 00:03:39 Not really... 00:03:45 and that still doesn't make them important to everyone. 00:03:47 at the moment, there are no built in contexts, so RDF processors do not have to recognize them 00:03:55 Right, why would they have to? 00:03:56 and yet, there is still a root context to the document 00:04:17 which seems a bit silly to me; why have a root context, but with no way of asserting something outside of that context, excpet in the model 00:04:22 well, you can think of things that way in a context-centric world 00:04:43 but i don't think that it's the only way to look at it 00:04:51 it's good to remove certain things from the root context of the document in that way 00:05:16 blargh, we should be doing this on #rdfig 00:09:23 i love powerpuff fm. 00:10:33 fm? 00:11:21 powerpuff? 00:11:41 love? 00:11:42 streaming radio station. plays cartoon themes and related. 00:11:51 Ah, FM 00:37:06 Heh: 00:37:07 Lizzie Borden took an ax, 00:37:07 Gave her father forty whacks. 00:37:07 When she saw what she had done, 00:37:08 She gave her mother forty-one. 00:37:12 - http://www.paganvillages.com/Goddess/fairraven/infamous.html 00:37:40 (exists 'm '(and (hobby m axe-murderer) (plans Leo `(married Leo ,m)))) 00:37:48 - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-logic/2001Apr/0066.html 00:37:53 You sorta have to feel sorry for Leo. 00:39:28 _:m :hobby :axe-murderer . :Lro :plans { :Leo :married _:m } . 00:39:38 s/Lro/Leo 00:40:19 (exists ((?x Person) (?y Person)) (and (name ?x "Sean") (demonstratesKIFproperlyTo ?x ?y) (name ?y "Aaron"))) 00:41:03 _:x a :Person . _:y a :Person . _:x :name "Sean" . _:x :demonstratesKIFproperlyTo _:y . _:y :name "Aaron" . 00:52:25 Aaron, can I recommend some Bob Dylan songs to you? 00:52:33 Please do! 00:53:00 Morbus, has MacSatelliteX stopped working for you? 00:53:03 er... first, what kind of stuff do you like? 00:53:20 All sorts of stuff. 00:53:25 Give me a representative sample. 00:54:14 Lay Lady Lay, Tangled Up In Blue, Summer Days, Stuck Inside Of Mobile With The Memphis Blues Again, Like A Rolling Stone, Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues, Sad Eyed Lady Of The Lowlands, Wedding Song, Black Diamond Bay, Dirt Road Blues 00:54:42 aarow, dunno. havent used it in a while. lemme check 00:55:36 whoa, its got all weird colors in 10.1 00:56:14 well, its not maghically connecting now, but that could be just server slownes 00:56:15 It's All Over Now Baby Blue, Visions Of Johanna, I Want You, Lo And Behold, As I Went Out One Morning, All Along The Watchtower, Tonight I'll Be Staying Here With You, Shelter From The Storm, Buckets Of Rain, Bye And Bye 00:56:29 can't quit out of it either :( 00:56:40 oh there we go. 00:56:41 in no particular order 00:56:43 just took a bit. 00:57:06 hmm, it just unexpectedly quits on me as soon as i open it 00:57:29 do you have the latest one? the latest one did that to me. i'm using 1.2 i think 00:57:33 you coudl try the old pref delete 00:57:57 It's whatever one you gave me. 00:58:01 The newer version. 00:58:56 no, deleting prefs didn't help 00:58:56 She Belongs To Me, It's Alright Ma, Highlands, You Ain't Going Nowhere, This Wheel's On Fire, Country Pie, Tiny Montgomery, Yea! Heavy And a Bottle Of Bread, Obviously Five Believers 00:59:12 enough, sbp! 00:59:14 oh. you may want to try 1.3 - that's the one that was casing me problems. 00:59:19 what the hell is that, anyways? 00:59:20 any of the songs from Blonde On Blonde... 00:59:38 Morbus, is 1.3 on versiontracker? 00:59:50 last i checked 01:02:58 the uh, new ampheta is on vt too... with cough five stars on pc/mac. cough. choke 01:03:28 :) 01:05:00 wow, this Kevin Hemmingway fellow (wonder who he is) really likes the new AmphetaDesk: """ampheta desk iz suuuper coooll! yah, it rox man... other programs do same stuff but they suckk!!!! get amphetadesk today!!!""" 01:05:37 hehehe. yeah, who is that moron? i don't want no multiexclamation mark luser using my 'reet software. 01:11:23 hmm, something is really wrong -- stuffit expander quits out right away too 01:11:55 and the open command just bus errors 01:13:16 I think I better reboot... 01:13:17 brb 01:13:19 you use bbedit? my open recent menu isn't updating anymore 01:13:32 no, I use Pepper 01:13:41 -1 01:13:44 :) 01:14:04 what? I bought bbedit but didn't want to shell out the cash again for a carbon version 01:14:09 and Pepper is much nicer 01:14:21 bah! you're justifying its cheapness. 01:14:29 heh 01:14:39 you're justifying its price! 01:14:50 hehehe. 01:15:21 Pepper doesn't suck. 01:15:32 yeah, well, at least my editor is damaging to the eyes 01:15:40 heh. 01:15:50 ok... rebooting brb 01:15:56 AaronSw has quit 01:18:48 Wow! Massive lag 01:18:50 aaronsw has joined #swhack 01:18:57 Why does OS X take so long to boot up? 01:19:02 * aaronsw waves from borrowed computer 01:19:10 * sbp waves 01:19:42 Hmm, xchat probably wouldn't be so bad with an Aqua theme... 01:19:46 doesn't on my machine. 01:19:47 hehehe. 01:19:52 man, your boxes must suck 01:20:02 i have 470 megs or so in here. takes about a minut 01:20:09 470 megs?! 01:20:15 of ram, sorry 01:20:33 and this crappy usb hub which adds some time to the startup/ 01:20:34 I'm still on the happy Mac! 01:20:44 the happy Mac? 01:20:53 Yes, I know of RAM. That's insane. That's a lot of RAM. Wanna send me some? 01:21:10 the smiley mac-face with the rainbow beachball in the corner 01:21:10 hehe. that's not insane. its "oh shit! ram is cheaper than a cornerstore candy bar!" 01:21:17 heh 01:21:24 How much is 470 megs? 01:21:29 oh, the colored pizza of death. 01:21:32 i hate that flipping thing 01:21:34 * sbp has 256MB, which is better than the old 32MB 01:21:35 aaronsw is now known as AaronSw 01:21:42 heh 01:21:53 welp, i bought a 128 chip when i first bought the mac in dec. i think that was 60. 01:21:53 I ran OS X on 32MB once... not fun ;) 01:22:05 and then a month or so ago, i picked up another 256 chip and that was like 43. was insane. 01:22:20 got it from crucial ram 01:22:47 Think it's worth it? 01:22:48 oh sorry - 448 totay is what i have 01:23:18 well, its so damn cheap nowadays, that i wouldn't hesitate recommending anyone a 256 chip 01:23:32 Let's see here... looks like i've got both slots full 01:23:39 so one's a 32mb, i think 01:23:47 can you replace that one with a 256? 01:24:01 yeah, i think so... it's the small kind, right? 01:24:14 um. i dunno what the large kind is compared to the small. 01:24:28 i think mine was about 3/4's of a full pencil 01:24:38 length wise 01:24:47 hmm 01:24:58 sounds about right 01:25:11 i cant crack my case cos it's buffed up against the side of a desk. too much effort right now ;) 01:25:11 what was that ram price comparison site? 01:25:20 heh 01:25:22 dunno. i got crucial ram 01:25:55 you said that ;) 01:26:03 hey aaron? 01:26:06 yeah? 01:26:10 i heard that crucial ram was good. i got some myself. 01:26:14 lol 01:26:18 :) 01:26:30 Morbus, is this crucial ram any good? it's pretty cheap 01:26:36 you wouldn' 01:26:40 you wouldn't happen to have any? 01:26:41 heh. well, it's crucial to myself. hyuck 01:26:55 pop it in the mail... 01:27:04 well, seriously, i had bought non crucial ram, and it ran into the firmware bug that happened a bit ago 01:27:18 hmm, they're owned by micron, aren't they 01:27:27 i had installed that ram on the last slot (the rest were empty).\ 01:27:38 couldn't reboot the system unless i cold booted. was hella annoying. 01:27:48 i bought the crucual, made it the last ram, and everything ran smoothly 01:27:52 no more cold boot issues 01:28:00 Hmm, didn 01:28:09 Hmm, didn't know there was an Apricot computer co. 01:28:16 apricot? heh. 01:28:54 hmm, 512mb for $104; 256 for $50 01:29:09 that is dirt cheap 01:29:18 yup, that sounds about right 01:29:53 so that'd be 384mb 01:30:28 ok, something's wrong -- it should be passed the happy mac by now 01:30:36 * AaronSw reboots it 01:31:10 Ahh, much better 01:32:14 AaronSw is now known as a2 01:32:32 AaronSw has joined #swhack 01:32:51 a2 has quit 01:37:20 hmm, if i have 256mbs now... 01:38:19 Cool, my Mail problem is fixed! 01:38:33 on a reboot? its all fixed? 01:38:58 yep 01:39:03 magic. 01:39:04 "And we heard him exclaim 01:39:06 As he started to roam: 01:39:06 `I'm a hologram, kids, 01:39:06 please don't try this at home!'" 01:39:06 -- Bob Violence 01:39:09 heh 01:41:42 Chas Munat pointed me to a seemingly phenomic page: http://karljahn.tripod.com/lang/words.htm 01:41:47 Interesting mix of words. 01:41:57 webbed out, (adj.) tired of websurfing or webmastering. 01:42:13 [[[ 01:42:18 NUMBER ONE 1965 S 01:42:18 Untitled instrumental called "Trk No Vocal" on the tape box and "#1" on the artists' contract card, recorded with the Hawks between the "Highway 61 Revisited" and "Blonde On Blonde" sessions at Columbia Studios, New York, 5 Oct 1965 (CO87187 and CO87192) - usually misdated as 30 Nov - 01 Dec 1965. Paul Cable speculated that this track could be the legendary "lost" song CHURCH WITH NO UPSTAIRS, but Tim Dunn, author of "The Bob Dylan Copyright Files" 01:42:23 ]]] - http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.jana.mcmail.com/BobUnrelN.htm 01:42:56 lol: achladiomorph, (n.) a woman whose figure would be improved if the extra mass could be moved from her thighs and buttocks to her breasts. 01:48:15 whoa, what's with the menu collors in macsatellite? 01:48:30 yeah, they're all fucked up. second program i've seen that does that 01:48:43 What was the other? Cat-in-the-dock, for me 01:48:56 iCamMaster (.com) 01:51:37 Wow, Number One is really good... 01:52:32 LOL: "DONT SEND AN EMAIL TO SUPPORT REPORTING THIS MESSAGE!!! THIS IS NOT AN ERROR OF MACSATELLITE!!!" 01:52:44 hehehehe 01:52:47 yeah, i saw that too. 01:53:01 i wanted to send him a spite email. "hey, you know, i got this error..." 01:53:18 hehehe 01:55:43 * AaronSw tries out his fdupes.py program _again_ 01:55:52 maybe it'll actually work this time. 01:55:56 what's that? 01:56:05 i built it as an assistant to the archiver -- 01:56:30 it searches thru files that are duplicates (have same md5 has) and deletes the second copy, putting a link to the first in its place 01:56:37 hey, have you done any experimentation with scriptmenu? like what gets passed to the scripts? 01:56:51 no, haven't had time 01:56:59 i don't think anything gets passed, tho 01:57:00 same here :( 01:57:24 well, something has to, because people are updating their manilla sites through textedit and script menu 01:57:29 i just wrote a little "restart dock" shell script 01:57:41 i had one of those and it crashed my box 01:57:45 morb, they're grabbing the selection from textedit 01:57:54 via applescript events 01:58:06 (at least that's my guess) 01:58:10 heh, "morb". "morby"; "morbydo-doos" 01:58:19 morby morby doooo! 01:58:21 lol 01:58:21 where are you? 01:58:38 morbster, morbomatic 01:58:41 where is who? 01:58:45 morbus corpus 01:58:47 morboid 01:58:49 you know, scooby dooby doo. 01:58:57 ahh 01:59:51 where are you? 02:01:18 Heh, McCusker: " In principle, it was never necessary to actually end a sentence. Why not just tack on more commas and conjuctions, and damn the conventions?" 02:01:26 - http://treedragon.com/ged/map/ti/newOct01.htm#03oct01-breaking 02:02:48 "It's possible to make other people manic by pumping their input system to keep it on the edge of what they can follow and absorb. Especially if you model what they are thinking in your mind, and put new things in the running stream of prattle that plays off what they seem to be thinking just now. Pretty soon they go kablooey! and start giggling almost uncontrollably, just as if you were tickling their ribs without stopping. People like this. Be 02:03:08 I kinda agree with him; semi-colons are espeically useful for tacking sentences together, and commans are of course the staple, but you have to remember that people expect a certain amount of sensibilites when people write sentences - creating run on sentences that go on for ages and ages just isn't the done thing, and besides, there have even been *campaigns* to stop people from creating huge run on sentences that just go on and on until people do 02:03:35 people do what? 02:03:39 don't leave me hanging! 02:04:18 because they're just so boring; and of course, we must remember that for the people writing these literary atrocities, it's very difficult - for example, I'm right here, right now, trying to write a really large sentence, but Aaron kjeeps going on at me to not leave him hanging 02:04:39 morbus wants to be in the sentence! 02:04:42 put me in the sentence! 02:04:45 Yep, I just kjeeps. 02:05:14 which is really really annoying, but of course there's a 256/512 character limit on the IRC sentences anyway, so the first installment of the sentence was probably cut off, and now ol' morby wants to be included in the sentence, but I don't think that I'm going to let him 02:05:40 Oooh. you suck! 02:05:53 yeah, well, i 'll just start my own forever sentence! 02:06:35 and he probably won't even notice that by saying "morby" in this sentence earlier on, I have actually included him, and therefore I don't suck but he does, well kind-of anyway, although I wouldn't be saying that if he shipped me some cool RAM, not that I need it 02:06:51 i heard crucial ram was good 02:06:59 heh! 02:07:06 and besides, who needs a long sentence with spelling mistakes such as "kjeeps" and "commans" - it's just a silly thing to do 02:07:43 no really: it is. 02:07:57 take a bow! 02:07:58 it really really is. 02:08:07 a bow? why, is he gonna put it in his hair? 02:08:12 * sbp bows 02:08:20 the bit you probably missed is: "there have even been *campaigns* to stop people from creating huge run on sentences that just go on and on until people don't really want to read them anymore" 02:08:37 hair? 02:08:45 oh, I get it. All laugh at the funny pun! 02:09:02 I was thinking of a violin bow actually... 02:09:47 how does one get an umlaut over the u? 02:09:54 get a Mac. 02:10:14 lol 02:10:21 photoshop and a 90 degree colon? 02:12:32 ��D�%+{8Y{�_�ܺ��أ��أ��Ѫ�Ŀ��___��+�+-+ 02:12:45 it's in there somewhere. ;) 02:12:57 but no umalut over a small u! 02:13:00 whoo, mighty morphin power rangers theme is playing. 02:13:05 look in keycaps, dammit 02:13:06 that's just going through alt+xxx 02:13:22 Morbus, what's the url for this station? 02:13:31 dorfm�rdle 02:13:36 got it 02:13:48 �� 02:13:49 its satan: 02:13:49 http://pri.kts-af.net/redir/index.pls?esid=94321d77332591e0b1461453e1b2f661&url_no=2&client_id=7&uid=68efed4d03ec7e45fd3978262c107180&clicksrc=xml 02:13:56 according to itunes 02:14:02 Heh: LOUDER AND FASTER ARE BETTER - a Game Rule of Rock'n'Roll 02:14:02 * A .44 MAGNUM BEATS A ROYAL FLUSH - a Game Rule of Killer Poker 02:14:02 * SOCCER IS FOR PUSSIES - a Game Rule of NFL or Australian Football 02:14:31 or Rugby 02:14:44 actually... 02:15:04 INFIDEL, n. In New York, one who does not believe in the Christian religion; in Constantinople, one who does. 02:15:11 *NFL IS FOR PUSSIES - a Game Rule of Rugby 02:15:18 Heh 02:15:29 cite: http://www.sonic.net/~ric/go/knowbel.htm 02:16:14 you listening to it, aaronSw? 02:16:18 yep 02:16:29 go go! 02:16:44 what's this? 02:16:57 just an ad 02:17:14 flogo? 02:17:16 hmm, we must be out of sync 02:17:16 i like this channel cos it never skips - using irc, email, im, et. 02:17:28 oh, the song playing down? with the ass house beat? 02:17:30 not a clue. 02:17:31 :) 02:17:32 yeah 02:17:49 lol @ ass house beat 02:17:53 :) 02:17:56 ass house: cool new genre 02:18:03 hehehe 02:19:06 "y'know, man, we always like start out plain' speed grage, but end up palying a bit of the fuckin' ass house, innit?2 02:19:06 yeah, sorted 02:19:21 hehehe. 02:19:26 that's funny 02:19:33 * sbp takes another bow 02:19:41 come on, it's all about the jungle, dude! 02:19:47 aaronSw, occasionally they'll play english versions, then the japanese version.s 02:19:54 all in all though, i love this channel :) 02:19:55 heh 02:20:03 i was gonna start up a game music channle, but a great deal i had fell through 02:20:20 What's the difference between the English and the Japanese versions? 02:20:24 oh geez, that'd be annoying... super mario... 24 hours a day! 02:20:31 * sbp listens to Number One all the way through 02:20:33 sbp, one is in japanese 02:20:35 it was like unlimited bandwidth, 100 streams, for 30 bucks a month. it was a friend of a friend sort of deal. 02:20:38 this really is a cool song 02:20:42 then the guy disappeared. 02:21:02 heheh. not super mario, but just all in all. lots of the squaresoft stuff is good. same with some old sega stuff. 02:21:04 Heh. 02:24:00 Hmm... 02:24:14 well, I'm quite tired 02:24:44 It's been nice chatting with you all (both) 02:24:48 c'ya 02:24:50 """What do you get when you cross the classic cartoon themes from yesterday and today with the English adaptations of some of your favorite anime themes and throw in some novelty songs? You get POWERPUFF-FM. PPFM is the perfect listening companion to the popular POWERPUFF.COM website. """ 02:24:53 bye, sbp 02:24:54 ciao ciao 02:24:58 sbp has quit 02:25:04 cite: http://animehardcore.gamesquad.net/powerpuff.shtml 02:25:11 goddamit 02:25:19 my stupid cvs password simply won't stick. 02:25:56 oh.maybe i need to wait 6 hours. 02:26:04 yeah, that'd make sense. 02:26:43 hmm 02:26:56 what?\ 02:27:27 fat albert! 02:34:54 Morbus has quit 02:37:21 LOL @ http://forums.off-topic.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=108074&perpage=25&pagenumber=1 03:30:19 Cool, daily Scott McCloud: http://www.scottmccloud.com/comics/mi/mi.html 04:44:33 Woohoo, my fdupes.py is working -- my free disk space is climbing steadily. 05:58:35 Disconnected from irc.openprojects.net (ERROR :Closing Link: logster[xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net] by niven.openprojects.net (Ping timeout for logster[xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net])) 05:58:49 logster has joined #swhack 05:58:49 Users on #swhack: logster AaronSw tav` tav deltab 07:28:22 tav` has quit 07:44:42 690MB free when fdupes finished (modulo some Bob Dylan songs...) 14:34:01 Morbus has joined #swhack 14:34:14 Morbus has left #swhack 17:47:53 lo 20:23:27 AaronSw-x has joined #swhack 20:23:39 Rootless XDarwin is so cool! 20:23:45 * AaronSw-x waves from xchat 20:24:36 Now to get Amaya working... 20:48:43 tav` has joined #swhack 21:00:45 sbp has joined #swhack 21:01:13 * sbp wonders if Aaron has heard of DIGL 21:01:21 Hi sbp. 21:01:24 DIGL? 21:01:33 Device Independent Gargoyle Libraries? 21:01:39 ;-) 21:01:40 Device Independence GuideLines 21:01:55 now, incorporate that into the topic line! 21:02:02 s/that/*that* 21:02:06 I suspected as much. Is that the thing WL keeps talking about? 21:02:13 nope 21:02:32 that's DIP 21:02:34 AaronSw has changed the topic to: I need to find the ZIG to the W3C's XAG. Let me go look it up in my Device Independent Gargoyle Library. 21:02:43 OK, then I haven't heard of it. 21:03:06 it's a pseudo made-up thing 21:03:13 Postmodern college life: http://www.goldsmiths.ac.uk/images/gold531.gif 21:03:18 From http://www.goldsmiths.ac.uk/ 21:06:08 So I got X Windows working on top of OS X. Now I'm installing Amaya. 21:06:15 This is going to be really cool. 21:06:20 installing Amaya... aaaaargh! 21:07:48 X Windows? Who worked on that, then? :-) 21:08:02 Who worked on it? 21:08:10 Daniel 21:08:22 Really? 21:08:27 yeah, I think so 21:08:37 Art Beckett did too, I think. 21:11:04 Whenever I hear the Beatles singing "I will return" (in my head most of the time), I think of your homepage: "Another Slight Return" 21:12:15 wrong reference 21:12:18 I will return? 21:12:43 "I will return... yes I will return..." 21:12:51 oh, of course... 21:13:33 From A Taste of Honey 21:13:39 one of their older songs 21:14:29 [[[ 21:14:30 I downloaded all those Bob Dylan songs last night (or a bunch of them)... they weren't that great. 21:14:30 Daniel Dardailler joined the W3C team in Sophia-Antipolis, France, in July 1996. 21:14:30 Prior to that, he was acting as a Software Architect at the X Window System Consortium, responsible for the Motif toolkit and others CDE components. 21:14:39 ]]] - http://www.w3.org/People/danield/bio.html 21:14:45 Blargh! 21:14:51 Seemed pretty formulaic. 21:15:17 really? Perhaps you downloaded the wrong songs 21:15:27 I went thru the first whole list you wrote out. 21:15:32 And started in on the second. 21:15:32 seriously though, some people really don't like Bob's stuff, and some people love it 21:16:28 * sbp is listening to "Love And Theft" as he has been for most of the day 21:16:49 Heh, look at that... DanielD and ArtB worked together: 21:16:52 """CDE Development: Art Barstow Pascale Dardailler David""" 21:17:35 Hmm, perhaps not. 21:17:57 sbp has quit 21:18:49 sbp has joined #swhack 21:19:43 Ahh, Daniel is right above that -- he's a CDE Architect, emeritus. 21:19:47 - http://ftp.planetmirror.com/pub/XFree86/WWW/htdocs/4.0.2/XConsortium.7.html 21:21:17 Pretty cool. 21:37:04 Yes! Look at http://www.statistics.gov.uk/census2001/pdfs/section5part3.pdf page 18, #896 21:37:22 They got "Jedi Knight" registered as an offical religion. 21:37:26 lol 21:37:43 Right above "Heathen" and below "Other Religions". 21:39:07 Cool mix 21:45:17 Heh: "This Makefile actually runs a configure script in libwww. I consider this poor form, but I didn't write it. " - A Darwin developer on the Amaya Makefile 22:02:50 AaronSw-x has quit 22:03:27 AaronSw-x has joined #swhack 22:07:28 * sbp thinks about writing a new essay 22:07:47