00:15:36 logster has joined #swhack 00:15:36 Users on #swhack: logster deltab tav tav` AaronSw 00:16:23 AaronSw has changed the topic to: Beware the secret lair. 00:16:53 mwaha 00:40:22 Morbus has joined #swhack 00:40:58 new release of ampheta tonight. just waiting for sf to filerelease. 00:41:15 cool 00:41:22 what made the devtools so hard to install? 00:41:34 pft. not hard. just long. i'm on a 56k remember ;) 00:41:43 ah 00:41:46 :-) 00:41:53 i wanted to release a few days ago, but cvs was broken. 00:41:54 sigh 00:42:06 its still kinda broken. i think i have to reupload my identity.pub to sf. 00:42:09 keeps asking for my pw 00:42:28 hmm 00:43:48 hmf. sf is taking forever today 00:47:08 ampheta's a featured perl project at the perl foundry at sf ;) 00:47:36 wow... someday you will need to share the secrets of publicity with me! 00:47:55 hehehe... 00:48:10 i can't do anything... dammit. sf needs to release my files. 00:48:15 i'm stuck without that. 00:51:25 Heh: http://leech.dk/tux_drink.jpg 00:52:20 heh. nice. 00:55:04 AaronSw has changed the topic to: I need to finde the ZIG to the W3C's XAG. 00:56:06 Shoot, Mac OS X Mail keeps quitting unexpectedly on me. This is really annoying. 00:56:22 really? hasnt happened to me... 00:56:36 actuall... 00:56:43 I think it's HTML emails that get it. 00:56:43 i think i heard somethign about that on the macosx list at omnigroup.com 00:56:46 you may want to check the arhives, 00:56:51 or macfixit.com 00:56:59 enotourage... 00:57:02 entourage... 00:57:05 eudora! 00:57:17 tav, why are you pushing mac products? 00:57:23 s/mac/microsoft/ 00:57:34 thanks, morbus 00:57:36 guess hedoesnt like you 00:58:03 AaronSw: it looks nice? 00:58:09 and seemed to work well afaict 00:58:15 You got a Mac? 00:58:27 Entourage is cool, yes but: 00:58:31 a) it's from microsoft 00:58:33 b) it's expensive 00:58:37 c) it locks up my data 00:58:37 no, but i have friends who use macs 00:58:51 and oh wait, it loves html mail. 00:58:58 and will be the harbinger of mac os virii ;) 00:59:56 mac microsoft software seem better designed than windows ones 01:00:10 seen word X? it's more playskool than ever 01:00:17 Yep, totally different group of guys, tav. 01:00:25 they don't even work in redmond 01:00:28 so they're cool with me 01:00:48 (as long as I don't pay MS for their work) 01:05:19 whoo. v0.92 is up on sourceforge 01:06:24 cool 01:06:29 aaronSw, you want to mention it on rss info? ;) 01:06:38 Nah, you can. 01:06:53 And to make it fair, put in that Peerkat is looking for programmers. ;) peerkat.sourceforge.net 01:07:19 hehe. see tht's why i didn't want to ;) unfair promotion where its too easy to get cauht ;) 01:07:56 Well, you can just pretend I wrote it. 01:08:11 Heh, especially since this is publically logged. 01:08:35 heh 01:09:03 i'll be like "hi! i'm on a jewish holiday right now, but my great buddy morbus..." 01:09:04 01:09:32 Heh. 01:09:47 * AaronSw looks to see what Morbus has been writing on his site... 01:11:48 hehehe 01:20:38 ugh, this Mail bug really sucks 01:22:44 no luck in the archives? 01:22:53 not yet 01:29:30 Hmm, how much does eudora cost? 01:30:14 free with ads. 01:30:26 or lite with no ads. 01:32:50 hmm 01:32:51 Can it import from Mail? 01:34:16 um. i dunno. i'm sure there's an applescript somewhere to do it 01:34:16 Heh: EARN $100,000 PER YEAR SENDING E-MAIL!!! 01:34:16 Quick, pay me now. 01:34:33 hehe. 01:40:23 aaronSw, you may want to poke around here http://emailman.com/eudora/mac/scripts.html 01:40:24 hey, do you know of a usenet reader for os x? 01:40:56 Yeah, I use Thorth 01:41:02 err... something like that... 01:41:08 thoth 01:41:20 thorth? 01:41:20 heh. attachment capability? 01:41:32 for those oh so desirable binary groups 01:41:39 Umm, dunno... I don't read Usenet all that much. I think so. 01:42:43 neither do i ;) ... i use to use mtnewswatcher under 8, then never reinstalled it when i threw 9 on 01:46:12 Morbus has quit 01:49:50 Hmm, Eudora isn't Carbonized? 01:51:29 Morbus has joined #swhack 01:51:34 Hmm, Eudora isn't Carbonized? 01:52:05 no, it is. 01:52:09 eudora.com/beta/s 01:52:13 betas/ rather 01:52:19 unexpirable beta os x version is carbon 01:52:46 Ahh. 01:52:51 Many bugs? 01:53:14 none that are crucial. 01:53:20 in 10.1, some of the tabs disappear 01:53:38 and if you ctrl-w when checking mail and your idle time is real low, you can get duplicate crashes. 01:53:47 those are the only two i've seen in an awful lot of usage 01:54:02 duplicate crashes? 01:54:23 um... poo. you can duplicate the crash easily by doing this. 01:54:26 yeah, thats what i meant :) 01:54:55 what's ctrl-w do? 01:54:55 i love clicking the send button. 01:55:05 dammit. apple-w 01:55:08 too much windows usage 01:56:27 Heh. 01:57:47 sigh. why do people make things so hard. 01:57:55 upload.com wants me to type in the size of my download. 01:58:01 can't they figure that out themselves? sheeesh 01:58:53 heh 01:58:56 They can't count. 01:59:16 apparently. 01:59:23 * AaronSw receives all 4 AmphetaDesk spams 01:59:32 Apparently I am in the targe market. ;) 01:59:50 lol... 01:59:51 * AaronSw considers writing Morbus a please don't spam to rss-dev letter... 01:59:54 thats funny as hell. 02:00:26 ah. if you want to say that publically, you can do that too. save me some future bandwidth /scolding 02:00:51 Nah, i'm too lazy to do that. ;) 02:00:55 heheh 02:01:05 pt taken though 02:02:59 heh 02:03:17 Morbus: you want reputation.. 02:03:23 then you only need to say things once 02:03:28 and then people would pick up on it 02:03:31 How? 02:03:34 and spread it like wildfire 02:03:46 huh? whatcha talking about? 02:03:48 seen my press pit? 02:04:39 come on tav, explain it 02:04:49 Hmm, Eudora doesn't seem to be able to import from OS X Mail :-( 02:04:59 you didn't see any at that site? 02:05:54 why is textedit taking so long to open? 02:06:13 why are you having so many problems? :( 02:07:18 it doesn't seem to be my day 02:07:52 ah well. i'm leaving 02:07:57 got other stuff to finalize here 02:08:29 ok, see you -- thanks for the help 02:09:11 Morbus has left #swhack 02:50:38 Morbus has joined #swhack 02:51:06 Welcome back. 02:51:33 macperl 561b1 for mac just came out. whoo. 02:51:39 thanks 02:53:24 I gave up on Eudora... perhaps I should just set up an IMAP server. 02:53:40 why'd you give up? 02:53:45 cos of the conversion? 02:53:49 yeah 02:53:51 write one yourself, ya wuss ;) 02:53:54 couldn't find a converter 02:53:56 i'm lazy 02:53:56 ugh! this crashing is really annoying! 02:54:21 yeah, there's an archive called "Mail, grrrrr" on omnigroup.com 02:54:31 i haven't been reading it, but *someone* else is having probs 02:54:39 which list? 02:55:07 there's a mailing list at omnigroup.com called macosx. 02:55:08 ahh, found it 02:55:09 there 02:55:15 macosx-talk 02:55:26 there's a lot of mail.app bashing going on 02:55:29 yeah, that one 02:55:36 heheh :) 02:56:08 hey, if you see anything about menu extras, lemme know. same with neat applescript stuff 02:56:30 ok 03:03:09 search-and-replace to the rescue! 03:03:41 uh oh... i screwed something up 03:05:12 hmm, maybe not 03:05:18 lol 03:07:56 Perhaps it's just a really weird email message 03:15:51 LOL -- seen on an email list: 03:15:55 """I don't know who you are but you and Scott and Nick have royally screwed up 03:15:55 my compute rwith these weird messages---qand they keep coming. Must I call 03:15:55 some authority?""" 03:16:22 lol 03:30:07 Morbus has left #swhack 03:51:22 AaronSw has quit 03:51:36 AaronSw has joined #swhack 04:50:09 LOL, I tell someone I'm sticking with salesman instead of salesperson and I get back a 2-page response 06:36:29 rillian has joined #swhack 06:36:30 AaronSw has changed the topic to: I need to find the ZIG to the W3C's XAG. 06:36:41 sure 06:36:54 Cool, I keep this place for off-topic chat. ;) 06:37:36 i still have wget hard wired into my brain, though 06:37:40 as much as i like curl 06:37:44 I heard libtool finally works in 10.1? 06:38:02 hmm, haven't tried it 06:39:23 I must say I won't be impressed if this is the problem 06:39:38 Heh. 06:39:42 you'd think an installer would be a place you'd be extra-careful about checking errors 06:40:03 The installers haven't impressed me with their quality. 06:40:31 dunno what's wrong with tar.gz 06:40:41 When installing 10.1 on a laptop it kept quitting out in the middle and I couldn't figure out for the life off me why. 06:40:54 So on a whim, I turned off the Printer Descriptions and Language Packs and it worked! 06:41:06 but it was odd, getting these kernel-panic style error messages. 06:41:21 huh, the 10.1 upgrade went ok 06:41:35 though it seemed to spend a *lot* of time on Language Packs 06:42:22 of course, I'm out of disk space again 06:43:02 Heh. 06:43:20 OmniDiskSweeper is my savior. 06:43:57 what does that do, anyway? 06:44:35 It's basically like "Browser View" sorted by size 06:45:13 um...and this is different from the finder how? 06:45:28 or sorted over the whole disk? 06:45:42 yep, the whole disk 06:46:03 so you drill down to find the big space-wasters 06:48:05 well, it's certainly nice to meet another osx junkie 06:48:20 most of the people I know respond to questions with 'use linux' :) 06:48:24 Heh. 06:48:41 Morbus hangs out in #swhack sometimes -- also an OS X junkie. 06:49:01 http://disobey.com/about/ 06:49:56 morbus' site? 06:50:20 AaronSw: you don't know how to remove the stickiness of the capslock by any chance? 06:50:29 yep, morbus's site. 06:50:36 stickiness: nope, sorry 06:50:49 Why would you want to? wouldn't that just make it a shift key? 06:51:04 then I could switch it with ctrl 06:51:17 which is suboptimally placed on the powerbook keyboards 06:51:51 "The software was successfully installed" 06:52:00 "Time remaining: about 6 minutes" 06:52:20 heh... don't you wish it would make up its mind 06:52:53 the best thing is that the Time Remaining: is now at 8 minutes 06:53:04 lol 06:53:21 Better use it while you have the chance! 06:54:28 wonder if I should bother filing a bug 06:57:26 * AaronSw curses Mail again! 06:57:34 what mail client do you use? 06:58:21 rillian, what mail client do you use? 07:04:22 Conspiracy theorists... dd is suggesting the W3C published this patent draft so that they could get this reacion which they can take back to their patent-loving members. 07:07:55 scary 07:08:01 AaronSw: Mail.app 07:08:21 does it crash everytime you view an attachment? 07:08:31 or view a message that has an attachment/mime 07:08:40 AaronSw: nope 07:08:46 Hmmph. 07:08:55 I wonder what's wrong with mine, tho. 07:09:07 The old one would mark everything as unread if it compaction failed 07:09:15 and a couple of other annoyance-level things 07:09:20 it's never crashed on me 07:09:34 AaronSw: symlinks in you /lib directory? :) 07:09:50 lol 07:10:21 Yeah, I had those annoyances... 07:10:31 at least ssh doesn't take 45 seconds any more... 07:10:38 AaronSw: they seem to have fixed most of those 07:10:41 So you've viewed messages w/ attachments in 10.1? 07:10:45 yes 07:10:51 hmmm 07:10:52 well, not something it could inline 07:10:54 hang on 07:11:10 yeah, i'm thinking inline -- HTML, etc. 07:11:51 inline pdf works 07:11:59 oh, yeah, inline html works as well 07:12:02 I'd forgotten 07:12:04 hmm 07:12:17 What am I doing wrong? 07:12:43 dunno. gdb it? 07:13:06 submitted the installer bug, btw. lied about reproducing it though 07:13:23 Heh. 07:13:33 and the installer has been saying "less than a minute" for about the past 20 07:13:35 Oh, hmm, I rebuilt my mailbox and it seems to be fixed. 07:13:51 The close button is active... 07:13:52 err, i take that back. 07:14:05 "what happens if I press the blue button?" 07:14:27 it's not all HTML mail -- just seems to be the kind that Mail doesn't send out 07:14:55 btw, I've had some complaints about the way it does attachments 07:15:10 as I read the spec it's correct, but different from windowland practice 07:15:23 fascinating. cvs is still broken 07:15:32 Yeah, same here -- it seems like no one else can read my attachments 07:16:14 it does a multipart/mime with a no-attachements text version at the beginning, followed by the version with the attachments 07:16:23 which is what you want if you've got inline attachements 07:16:36 but it seems to confuse a lot of mailers 07:17:03 the spec says to send alternatives in order of increasing perference 07:17:14 which for mailers like outlook means html last 07:17:28 which inspires mailers like mutt to read the first one 07:17:37 which looks like it has the attachements missing 07:17:58 Yeah. 07:18:06 what they should do is drop the alternative if the attachements are at the end of the message 07:18:16 2001-10-04 02:13:57.734 Mail[1082] Warning: two messages in one mailbox have the same ID! 07:18:28 sounds like corruption 07:18:44 oh, you know 07:18:54 I did have a couple of messages that would crash mail.app 07:19:02 I'd forgotten about them 07:19:21 Hmm, crashreporter seems to have stopped 07:19:33 only one (and three copies of it!) out of the 20000 or so since I started using it 07:19:42 hmm 07:19:53 how do I get crashreporter back again? 07:20:12 no idea 07:20:20 it's just an application you can launch 07:20:29 but probably you'll lose all the debug stuff 07:20:40 crashreporter? no, it was a daemon from /etc/hostconfig 07:21:54 I stand corrected 07:21:59 seems to be gone from my system 07:22:33 maybe this means all the bugs are fixed 07:22:54 That'd be nice! ;) 07:23:07 nope, no libtool 07:23:24 I heard it worked on the sourceforge machine though :( 07:23:34 anyway, I should head home 07:23:46 rillian has quit 07:38:55 DanC's minutes are brutally honest. ;-) 13:52:31 sbp has joined #swhack 13:55:34 sbp has quit 15:11:28 ... 15:53:00 WL on the W3C patent stuff: "I may not be effective at it, but I will rake muck about this." 17:10:28 * AaronSw goes to lie down. 17:44:12 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. Services will be back up in a moment, after a short program of splits. Apologies for the inconvenience. 17:44:29 deltab has quit 17:44:29 tav has quit 17:44:29 tav` has quit 17:44:50 deltab has joined #swhack 17:44:50 tav has joined #swhack 17:44:50 tav` has joined #swhack 17:44:58 anyone know of an fdupes-like thing that'll run on my machine? the C version won't compile. 17:57:07 anyone know of an fdupes-like thing that'll run on my machine? the C version won't compile. 17:57:53 I guess i will just write a python ditty myself 18:17:34 grr, why is Python insisting this symbolic link is a regular file? 18:18:15 deltab? 18:27:15 i guess it's not so important 18:28:57 ahh, i guess I needed to use lstat instead of stat 18:34:58 How do I find out if something is a hard link? 18:40:24 * AaronSw takes a deep breath, and tries out his duplicate finder on his HTTP archive 18:40:54 Before: 283.8 MB 18:46:48 * AaronSw tries again with nice -n 20 22:08:18 Shoot! It finished measuring but then hit a bug before it could take action! 22:08:31 Trying again. 22:27:28 sbp has joined #swhack 22:27:41 hi sean! 22:27:51 Hi there 22:28:01 I'm currently modularizing SWIPT... 22:28:17 and listening to Bob Dylan 22:28:36 Cool. 22:28:39 How was Sukkot? 22:28:46 Pretty good thanks. How've you been? 22:29:05 not too bad, but tired after the F2F! 22:29:19 Heh, I bet! 22:30:14 I was telling Libby about the discussion we had asserted statements/contexts etc. What example did you give for asserted statements? 22:30:28 Oh, yes, I thought about that. 22:30:54 The asserted statement: :supremeCourt :members "9" . 22:31:51 is a decent one... i don't remember what i used last time 22:32:16 in what context would it need to be asserted where reification can't handle it? 22:32:37 Any context. I just want to assert it. 22:32:42 * sbp uses totally the wrong terminology there, but you know what I mean... 22:33:07 well it wouldn't be any context, it'd be the root context, but I meant context in the loose non-RDF sense 22:33:24 * sbp smacks himself 22:34:07 sorry, gotta run -- dinner 22:34:14 why would you want to nest the statement you gave above and assert it? 22:34:17 Oh, fair enough :-) 22:34:20 c'ya! 22:34:33 I don't want to nest it -- i simply want to talk about it 22:34:33 c'ya 22:34:44 we'll pick this up again! ;) 22:34:55 eof.sf.net 22:34:57 :-) 22:58:33 sbp has quit 22:59:42 Morbus has joined #swhack 23:09:53 hey aaron, did you see the blogger script for scriptMenu? 23:12:20 Morbus has quit 23:27:00 Morbus has joined #swhack 23:32:19 sbp has joined #swhack 23:37:09 hey there sbp 23:37:53 sbp has quit 23:39:39 blogger script? no... 23:40:07 Zeno 23:40:39 Zeno's paradox is reducible to proving that the sum of the infinite series for the reciprocals of the powers of two is < 2. 23:40:43 or some number like that 23:41:19 yah, it lets you to post to blogger using apple's xml-rpc/soap stuff. 23:41:43 neato 23:42:00 yeah :) 23:42:05 But I think IRC->Weblog would be cooler. ;) 23:42:14 heheh... 23:43:57 revising the design doc for the latest bit of software i'm working on 23:44:07 sbp has joined #swhack 23:44:11 Hi sean 23:44:25 Hi there 23:45:34 * AaronSw cleans up his photo albums 23:47:24 heh 23:47:34 I need to chump this one: http://blogspace.com/pictures/photo-view?photo_id=6314 23:48:53 Where's Eric's version? 23:53:56 hello? 23:53:57 darkwing duck! 23:54:04 lets get dangerous! 23:54:08 when there's trouble,you call dw! 23:54:18 * Morbus scurries back into the corner. 23:54:26 s/lets/let's