00:06:41 logster has joined #swhack 00:06:41 topic is: Drool: http://www.apple.com/macosx/ 00:06:41 Users on #swhack: logster Morbus AaronSw tav` tav deltab 00:17:54 W3C Management: http://www.w3.org/Icons/WWW/w3m.gif 00:18:03 Aww, look at this expression of love for W3C collaborators: http://www.w3.org/Icons/WWW/w3c-collab_48x48.gif 00:18:14 Who's http://www.w3.org/Icons/WWW/w3c_person.gif ? 00:18:55 The real truth behind the W3T: http://www.w3.org/Icons/WWW/team2.gif 00:22:31 sbp has joined #swhack 00:22:49 may I just say... 00:22:51 aaaaaaaaaaaaargh! 00:23:08 Heh. 00:27:31 lol @ W3M! 00:27:41 :-) 00:27:51 Now we know what they really think. 00:28:32 what's team2 all about? 00:30:18 Can't you see it? 00:30:58 Nope, I can't work it out 00:31:28 Beer! 00:34:13 Yeah, but what are those other things in the background??? 00:34:23 oh, bottles... 00:34:25 Umm, more beer. 00:34:57 coffee and beer... dear oh dear 00:36:07 Hmm... how about an swnick URN namespace? 00:36:10 urn:swnick:SVL 00:36:19 urn:swnick:AaronTwoMonitorsSwartz 00:36:23 urn:swnick:sbp 00:36:27 urn:swnick:TimBL 00:36:30 urn:swnick:DanC 00:36:31 etc. 00:36:50 How are swnicks assigned? 00:37:30 by me for now, but I guess the SVL should have the supreme responsibility 00:38:24 Hmm, I don't think that's very persistent. 00:38:30 The SVL has faulty memory. 00:38:48 The SVL will be required to scribe them in persistent HTTP space 00:41:15 what do these URNs identify? 00:41:49 they identify people working on the SW 00:41:54 no, hang on... 00:42:21 they identify the current (or most recent) beverage consumed by the people working on the SW with those nicknames 00:42:31 yes, that seems about right 00:42:35 then, you just do:- 00:43:08 dc:creator [ :drinkerOf ] . 00:43:21 Heh. 00:43:48 it's practical, that's why it's good. Should I register it? 00:43:55 LOL! 00:43:56 You know, I added ad-blocking to my ArchiverProxy. 00:45:59 cool 01:05:39 [[[*** Now talking in #dotgnu 01:05:40 *** Topic is 'Welcome to #dotgnu! This is the IRC home of the dotGnu project. Please see http://www.dotgnu.org for more details!' 01:05:40 *** Set by ChanServ on Tue Sep 25 23:46:51 01:05:40 La la 01:05:40 de de de, dooby doo 01:05:40 dee da da doo doooby daaa deee 01:05:42 ooh, wop bop be scooby dooby, wop bop be diddle do bah, do bah! 01:05:44 ]]] 01:09:14 [[[ 01:09:14 * oierw` has been up for almost 2 hours... very tired now 01:09:14 yeah the human body wasn't meant to go for 2 hours straigh 01:09:15 ]]] 01:10:01 lol 01:10:19 [[[ 01:10:19 woop daaa di di dooby daaa ba da wip diddle wooop baa di daa 01:10:19 diddly skat de do wop, pah woop dap skoodle. dah dooby dooby wop de do ska! (yeah) 01:10:20 ]]] 01:14:32 Homer: I can't believe he actually wrote "diddly" 01:15:31 diddly! 01:22:20 *** mds has quit IRC (shoop-de baa de-bop doo hay-fee-go-si-toe-ri-moe-bee-doe! ... (ahh-chah-chah-chah-chah...)) 01:25:05 I'm suprised he didn't have "UTF-8 rules!" 01:28:58 Heh! 01:31:26 http://infomesh.net/2001/enquire/manual/ 01:31:33 gmgpghpgmgh 01:31:41 gmpa? asjkdhauisye! 01:31:56 egpajg? apgojaej.... oinogina, apirg pijrg apgj. pojisgp! 01:32:06 ahhhhh. 01:32:13 exactlprsjiogb! 01:32:15 * Morbus kjhsdfkjhsdf's. 01:32:24 oh, pgjsgs 01:32:32 giggle 01:32:47 don't giggle, Google! 01:32:57 i may run out of a breath if i do it that much 01:33:03 :-) 01:36:54 sbp, would love to, but i want to be fully viable first 01:37:10 love to what? 01:37:43 oh, you missed context, tav. 01:37:44 I told him that he wouldn't get paid. 01:37:54 Why don't you apply for a job at ESP? They probably won't pay you, but you might get an Internet connection out of it. ;-) 01:40:54 * Morbus twiddles. 01:41:16 hey, not in public! 01:41:20 heh. 01:42:56 so how about it tav, gimme a DSL line, and I'll work for you every so often? :-) 01:45:12 hmz 01:45:13 poo. i'm bored. 01:45:35 can you get dsl? 01:46:04 Heh, I love these new Amazon tabs: http://g-images.amazon.com/images/G/01/nav/personalized/tabs/yourstore-on-sliced._ZCManiac-Killer%27S,0,2,0,0,verdenab,7,255,204,102_.gif 01:46:23 no, actually I can't! Er... any dial up will do, though 01:46:35 aaronSw, heh 01:48:28 -- 01:48:30 --- #porn sean AC930783.ipt.aol.com forward.openprojects.net sbp H@ :0 Sean B. Palmer 01:48:31 --- #porn :End of /WHO list. 01:48:32 -- 01:48:56 ;-) 01:48:56 speaking of which, do you need to register with openprojects to oepn a channel? 01:49:12 Umm, no, just to get opped automatically. 01:49:23 don't umm me. i'm stupid 01:49:36 i mean, to like, have it listed in the channel list. 01:49:41 tav`: prove it 01:49:49 i know you can open any channel, but does it become like official or something? 01:49:51 No, to have it in the list, you just need a lot of people. 01:50:07 Yes, you register it with ChanServ to make it official. 02:06:22 aaronSw: http://www.haxial.com/ 02:06:29 its what hinkley is working on. 02:06:47 hinkley? 02:07:10 oh, that kdx thing? 02:07:12 yeah - the guy who made hotline. 02:07:50 yeah. 02:07:57 yeah what? 02:08:14 yeah to your mother. 02:08:22 whoo! 02:08:26 * Morbus dances. 02:08:27 ooh! ya bitch 02:08:37 :-) 02:08:56 where's a Webcam when you need it... 02:09:30 lol 02:11:00 * WC3 ? The SOAP specification as posted by the WC3 standards organization 02:11:03 ? 02:11:11 yeah, I liked that too. 02:11:19 I chumped it, in fact 02:11:41 heh 02:11:50 world coding collaborative consortium 02:12:34 question 02:12:41 go ahead 02:13:02 how would the world react if we just opened up tomorrow? 02:13:25 Umm, it'd be very, very excited, I would say. 02:13:28 if who opened up? 02:13:54 this is what we want to do, come join us and make it happen 02:14:01 sbp: does it matter? 02:14:16 I'd join you if I knew how! 02:14:39 actually the essex girl i knew was very conservative 02:14:49 AaronSw: why? 02:15:04 Becuase you guys are so cool. 02:15:12 yeah, you kick-ass 02:16:03 well, espians are great, but it's just a bunch of ideas atm... 02:16:16 a lot of half developed code 02:16:21 are they written down anywhere? Public? 02:16:24 so? 02:16:25 any lists to join? 02:16:33 any places or corners of discussion? 02:16:59 Morbus has quit 02:17:36 * sbp wonders where tav's mustachioed twin has gone 02:17:50 a shell replacement, a p2p network, a file sharing application, a gaming engine, a text editor, an intranet system, an installation / update system, a 3d rendering engine, a media player, an instant messaging application, the list goes on 02:18:17 a good text editor? Can I download it? Can I play with it? 02:18:24 win32 only and yes 02:18:28 woohoo! 02:18:38 well, it's more for writing code, python code ;p 02:18:48 Homer: How can one little insulated wire bring so much happiness? 02:18:53 www.iceedit.com 02:18:59 ooh! 02:19:55 * sbp downloads... 02:20:04 Python: woohoo! 02:20:12 you got python installed i presume? 02:20:22 Of course! 02:20:25 good 02:20:35 Homer: When I was young, 50 cents was a lot of money 02:20:38 Bart: Really? 02:20:41 Homer: Nah 02:21:52 sbp has changed the topic to: Homer: Twenty dollars? I wanted a peanut! 02:21:55 heh 02:22:00 What's that from? 02:22:08 Heh, heh, heh! 02:24:31 Wow, tav, it's actually quite good 02:24:39 ehm 02:24:42 course it's good 02:24:52 Pff, you Windows lusers. 02:24:55 everything we do is good 02:25:15 we just need to _complete_ things 02:25:18 So open up already! 02:25:22 does it do RegExp search and replaces? 02:25:33 Let other people help out. 02:25:43 That's what the open community is all about. 02:26:01 sbp: not yet 02:26:17 fuck: Added new FTP Manager dialog w/ open/save to/from FTP! 02:26:19 great! 02:26:31 * AaronSw will stick to Pepper. 02:26:58 Pepper? 02:27:25 Yeah, awesome editor for Mac. 02:27:35 Port to Win? 02:27:56 Hey, can't be too hard. 02:27:57 He ported it to Be. 02:28:03 Be? 02:28:12 BeOS, you know? 02:28:26 www.Be.com 02:28:43 now, if those guys had become open source... 02:28:49 such a lovely OS 02:28:49 As Mac OS is to Windows, Be OS is to Mac OS. 02:28:53 indeed. 02:28:54 yup 02:29:17 blimey... 02:29:37 sometimes wonder how people who can create such wonderful art can lack so much vision 02:29:50 Pepper: http://www.hekkelman.com/pepper.html 02:30:00 yeah, I already got that URI... 02:30:39 "Porting Pepper to BeOS I finally finished the total separation of platform specific code from Pepper's own code." 02:30:53 "others [ports] can be written in just a couple of weeks." 02:30:54 I need a good text editor... 02:32:36 ah, IceSpehere is a Python editor... 02:32:42 man, it's great for that 02:34:28 er... something weird seems to have happened 02:34:35 oh, it even incorporates some of our iceHtml technology 02:34:45 I scrolled over, and lost the left half of the document! 02:34:50 iceHtml? 02:35:02 primitive browser 02:35:16 download? 02:35:38 nothing spectacular there, but iceEdit includes aspects of it 02:35:52 settings -> show realtime iceHtml 02:36:02 then, type some html... 02:36:22 "open" doesn't work... 02:36:32 yeah, I already used that function 02:36:52 I want an Amaya style WYSIWYG environment that will save to FTP and HTTP through PUT 02:37:01 how does open not work? 02:37:14 open: it just doesn't open documents 02:37:18 ehm 02:37:20 it does here... 02:37:58 Hmm... it works now 02:38:03 I think it has a few bugs 02:38:29 why can't I open through HTTP? 02:39:55 Hmm... and I can't resize windows 02:40:02 but it's pretty good 02:40:18 especially for its Python integration 02:40:48 second to none, there 02:41:34 man, if I could program... 02:41:49 hmz, haven't really encountered the bugs you speak of... 02:42:03 the ftp/webdav is still buggy, yes 02:42:12 but, everything else works great here 02:43:36 gimme the eamil of the team, I'll have some suggestions for them" 02:43:41 s/"/! 02:44:02 hmz, xnet@espnow.com 02:44:14 oh. Cool :-) 02:44:22 that go right into zope? 02:44:41 no, that's xnetmail@espnow.com 02:44:58 xnet is another list similar to espians@espnow.com 02:45:06 except we get external email on that 02:45:15 ahh, so it has actual content? 02:45:22 sometimes 02:45:36 we get a bit of press, some mac fanatics, etc 02:45:55 god, those mac fanatics! 02:45:59 Mac fanatics? 02:46:10 release this and that for macs ;p 02:47:02 See, that's what cult members are like. 02:47:06 Do you really want them hanging around all the time? 02:47:48 heh 02:48:18 a cult is just a group of people believing in something that is not accepted by the social mainstream 02:49:23 it's good to believe in things so intensely 02:49:31 that's the only way revolutions happen 02:51:22 Heh, from email: 02:51:23 sbp has quit 02:51:29 "I was looking through your site and now am totally confused" 02:52:30 hmz 02:52:34 where'd you see that? 02:52:52 What? 02:52:57 That line was from email 02:53:06 to? 02:53:11 me. 02:53:15 ah 02:53:24 we've had a few emails like that 03:05:09 MySQL rulez u! http://xmlhack.com/ 03:05:11 ;) 03:08:46 yay! 03:08:54 see, you'd never get such problems with zope 03:09:18 No, the whoozit would just be rebuilding, right? 03:09:29 Or the server would just die altogether. ;-) 03:18:06 LOL: 03:18:08 "Humans are incapable of securely storing high-quality cryptographic keys, and they have unacceptable speed and accuracy when performing cryptographic operations. (They are also large, expensive to maintain, difficult to manage, and they pollute the environment. It is astonishing that these devices continue to be manufactured and deployed. But they are sufficiently pervasive that we must design out protocols around their limitations.)" 03:18:38 Kaufman, Perlman, and Speciner, via http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/book.html, via http://zooko.com/ 05:53:23 -- 05:53:31 Wow, Duerst is answering some email! 06:23:20 hi 06:23:25 soz for the distraction 06:32:19 heh 06:32:28 Perhaps we should try again tomorrow? 06:32:51 you can plan your answer during your sleep or whatever ;) 06:41:05 tav? 06:41:37 hmz 06:41:52 you just want me to start typing? 06:42:30 start typing what? 06:42:34 the vision. yes. 06:43:05 Altho it'd work better if i was there to tell you when you weren't making sense 06:43:21 but typing is good 06:50:58 goodnight, tav 06:52:23 nite 13:08:45 Disconnected from irc.openprojects.net (ERROR :Closing Link: logster[xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net] by carter.openprojects.net (Ping timeout for logster[xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net])) 13:09:04 logster has joined #swhack 13:09:04 topic is: Homer: Twenty dollars? I wanted a peanut! 13:09:04 Users on #swhack: logster AaronSw tav` tav deltab 17:00:05 Disconnected from irc.openprojects.net (ERROR :Closing Link: logster[xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net] by asimov.openprojects.net (Ping timeout for logster[xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net])) 17:00:29 logster has joined #swhack 17:00:29 topic is: Homer: Twenty dollars? I wanted a peanut! 17:00:29 Users on #swhack: logster AaronSw tav` tav deltab 17:16:58 sbp has joined #swhack 17:42:11 sbp has quit 19:34:04 tav has quit 19:55:36 sbp has joined #swhack 19:55:54 WFM, it connected on the first attempt 19:56:54 Hi there. 19:57:02 Hi 19:57:24 I just realized I won't be able to make it to the telecon tomorrow. :-( 19:57:37 What??! 19:57:48 Yeah, I'd totally forgotten -- it's Yom Kippur. 19:58:08 Arguably the biggest Jewish holiday. 19:58:15 You'll have to take really good notes for me. 19:58:29 And I sent a long, long letter to the list with my thoughts 19:58:38 Yom Kippur: how could you forget! 19:58:51 My memory is really going... :-( 19:58:56 Wow, yeah 19:59:24 Has em O.K.ed the dial up, or shall I ask? 19:59:39 I mentioned that in my email. 19:59:48 But if he doesn't respond you might want to double check 20:00:03 When did you send the email? Did you CC me? 20:00:10 oh, I just got it 20:00:21 cool 20:01:17 tav has joined #swhack 20:01:26 I can't believe you forgot Yom Kippur! 20:01:37 Neither can I. 20:01:38 telecon? 20:01:39 That'd be like forgetting the New Year... 20:01:44 heh 20:01:47 I forgot Rosh Hashana too. 20:02:00 you non-orthodox jew you 20:02:08 Don't forget Hannukah 20:02:08 a disgrace to abraham i tell you! 20:02:16 Hey! Just because I forgot them doesn't mean I forgot to observe them. 20:03:04 or Hanukkah... however it's spelt 20:03:40 Doesn't really matter. 20:04:02 Hanukka's not that big a deal because you can still do other stuff during the week. 20:04:11 According to http://www.joi.org/celebrate/yomkipp/happy.htm you forgot the happiest day of the year... tut, tut 20:04:50 what are you talking about? 20:05:00 oh... never mind 20:05:20 not that big a deal?! But you get to light the Menorah! 20:05:56 heh 20:06:05 See, I have others to remind me about stuff like that ;) 20:06:29 :-) 20:07:29 What time's the call tomorrow, again? 20:07:45 I forget... 10AM? 20:08:00 Boston time? 20:08:04 Yep. 20:08:10 that's 2/3PM here... I forget which 20:08:35 That's not too late... Martyn was complaining it was too late, I think. 20:08:53 Yeah, he should try PF call 20:09:02 Heh. 20:09:21 Oh: 20:09:23 Thursday, 2001-09-27 at 11:00 AM EST 20:11:32 er... 20:11:33 16:13:07 Wed Sep 26 2001 in US/Eastern converts to 20:11:33 19:13:07 Wed Sep 26 2001 in Etc/GMT+1 20:11:45 what? I told it to use 11:00:00 grmrgmrgh 20:11:50 heh 20:12:22 aha:- 20:12:22 11:00:00 Thu Sep 27 2001 in US/Eastern converts to 20:12:22 16:00:00 Thu Sep 27 2001 in Europe/London 20:12:30 4PM? Grpfhpfh 20:13:03 Yep, that should be O.K. 20:39:38 sbp has quit 20:48:36 sbp has joined #swhack 20:54:50 sbp has quit 22:15:01 Morbus has joined #swhack 22:15:28 hi 22:16:30 hey 22:25:07 get 10.1 yet? 22:35:11 Morbus has quit 22:35:44 Morbus has joined #swhack 22:38:45 Morbus has quit 22:41:39 Morbus has joined #swhack 23:01:53 nils2020 has joined #swhack 23:02:04 and now ? 23:02:32 who is a hacker here ? 23:02:52 DCC Chat (217.80.218.76) 23:05:12 no, did you, Morbus? 23:05:26 nils, this is not a cracker channel 23:06:17 nils2020 has left #swhack 23:06:28 i told him that too. he dcc'd me the bitch 23:06:39 i'm like "no. software trickery" close window. 23:06:40 :) 23:06:53 heh 23:06:59 have 10.1 yet? 23:07:05 no. you? 23:07:17 nope 23:07:21 poo 23:07:42 Heh: http://www.theonion.com/onion3734/us_vows_to_defeat_whoever.html 23:12:25 did you try kdx? 23:12:46 ah. did you get any of the rackers? 23:12:54 huh? 23:13:00