00:08:45 logster has joined #swhack 00:08:45 topic is: Help some poor, starving, injured people in need....Go see a movie. 00:08:45 Users on #swhack: logster deltab tav` tav AaronSw 00:40:50 Morbus has joined #swhack 00:51:27 sbp has joined #swhack 00:51:53 I think I'm getting the hang of the MT 00:52:25 I wondered why a b b . is false in the example 00:52:39 and I figured:- 00:53:31 Morbus has quit 00:55:04 I( a b b .) = true if , i.e.<1,2>, is in IEXT(I(b)); i.e. if <1,2> is in IEXT(1), which is {<1,2>,<2,1>}, but does contain <1,1> and so I( a b b .) is false . 00:55:15 s/does/doesn't 00:55:29 s/<1,2>/<1,1> 00:55:48 yeah... that's right:- 00:56:17 I( a b b .) = true if , i.e.<1,1>, is in IEXT(I(b)); i.e. if <1,1> is in IEXT(1), which is {<1,2>,<2,1>}, but doesn't contain <1,1> and so I( a b b .) is false . 00:57:03 IEXT seems to be the mapping from a predicate to a set of pairs 01:14:22 Morbus has joined #swhack 01:17:05 Aaron? 01:17:09 yes? 01:17:53 Just imagine IEXT(IP) 01:18:24 if I gather correctly, it's the set of all thingies 01:18:26 tav` has quit 01:18:46 i.e. every subject and object combination that RDF can have! 01:18:54 Hmm 01:19:12 I thought it was just for the current model. 01:19:21 tav has quit 01:19:48 er... yeah, you're right 01:19:59 * sbp had suddently limited RDF to this MT 01:21:01 that's still a lot of thingies, though 01:22:06 tav has joined #swhack 01:23:14 tav` has joined #swhack 01:26:53 tav` has quit 01:28:16 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. 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Thanks in advance for your understanding. 01:34:40 ChanServ has changed the topic to: 01:41:29 AaronSw has changed the topic to: When he says he's going to take over the world, he's not kidding. 01:41:48 who? 01:42:02 sbp has changed the topic to: When tav says tav's going to take over the world, tav's not kidding. 01:42:56 hey, sbp. how's life? 01:44:06 Same as usual 01:44:07 You? 01:44:23 eh. getting by. trying to create an open source version of bookmarksync.com 01:44:36 which i depend on dearly, but which has now turned to a pay site 01:44:38 Good luck 01:44:54 Ugh... similar thing happened to thecounter.com 01:45:14 really/ you can do counters in one line of ssi ;) 01:45:28 deltab has quit 01:45:32 you may want to let theendoffree.com know about thecounter.com 01:45:50 I use ASP now 01:45:52 tav, wtf is wrong with your IRC server? 01:46:22 ouch, it took down deltab too 02:26:13 Heh: http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20010924.html 02:27:06 :-) 02:27:14 * AaronSw has been in that situation more than once. 02:27:20 Stupid @Home tech support! 02:27:25 Yeah... 02:27:44 Morbus has left #swhack 02:35:27 Morbus has joined #swhack 02:41:10 Yuck! http://www.securityfocus.com/news/257 02:42:55 Hmm... they really should say "crackers" 02:43:30 that's the least of their problems... 03:00:08 deltab has joined #swhack 03:21:31 Morbus has left #swhack 04:00:35 Ian Jacobs: "When I'm not editing specs, I like to swing dance and write comedy." 04:00:38 What a guy! 04:00:55 :-) 04:01:31 Perhaps he should put more of the comedy into the specs. 04:01:50 and vice versa? 04:02:48 More specs into the swing dancing? 04:03:33 no, into the comedy 04:04:26 ComedyML? 04:32:45 sbp has quit 12:14:34 Morbus has joined #swhack 12:36:35 aaron, heard of kdx? 12:36:43 hotline clone by the true hinkley ;) 12:41:58 Morbus has quit 12:50:18 Morbus has joined #swhack 13:09:53 Morbus has quit 13:26:25 nope, haven't heard of it 13:54:23 [deleted] has quit IRC ("It's not easy to juggle a pregnant wife and a troubled child, but somehow I managed to fit in eight hours of TV a day.") 14:58:22 tav has quit 15:07:36 tav has joined #swhack 15:19:17 tav` has joined #swhack 15:19:57 heh @ topic 15:20:14 i thought i always made it perfectly clear that i was serious about it? 16:04:52 sbp has joined #swhack 16:24:39 sbp has quit 18:15:54 Perfectly clear, tav? I'm not so sure. 18:16:14 There are a lot of people who say it in a joking way, so you have to be awfully clear if you're serious. 18:43:32 heh 18:44:11 AaronSw: what can i do to make it more clear? 18:44:32 Say, "I'm not kidding about that, I'm perfectly serious." 18:44:48 Holy cow, Mac OS X 10.1 is going to f***ing rock! 18:44:49 http://www.apple.com/applescript/macosx/ascript_studio/ 18:45:31 Go AppleScript team, go! 18:45:44 Now I just need to get them to support Python, too. 18:46:01 hmz, applescript is proprietary? 18:46:19 What does that mean? 18:46:30 The source code is closed, yes. 18:46:33 as in, some closed source.. 18:46:36 right 18:47:08 well, i'm gonna make python RAD modules for berlin 18:47:20 Berlin? 18:47:26 The conference you mean? 18:47:29 and it'll own your pitiful mac os x! 18:47:36 berlin-consortium.org 18:47:55 We'll see about that. 18:48:29 http://berlin-consortium.org/images/screenshots/clock-shot.png 18:48:39 look at that and tell me, mac can look nicer 18:48:55 Umm, yeah. 18:48:59 That thing is ugly. 18:49:28 show me a mac equivalent 18:49:38 Umm, Mac clock. 18:49:44 Or do you mean the Python bit? 18:49:46 " This means that objects suchs as Graphics can be implemented out-of-process, like this Clock which is written entirely in Python by implementing the Graphic interface." 18:50:00 screenshot? 18:50:19 well, both, the ease of development and asthetic qualities (sp?) 18:51:49 hold on a sec... 18:51:50 Oh geez, i forgot! 10.1 comes out today! 18:51:50 Wooohoo! 18:55:46 Can you read TIFFs? 18:57:40 tav? 18:59:52 believe so 18:59:57 jpg and upload? 19:00:03 soz, going out in a sec 19:00:41 http://blogspace.com/random/clock.png 19:03:04 (for tav) 19:03:06 hmz 19:03:07 you can do analog too 19:03:07 is it me or is that top 1/8th of a clock? 19:03:07 try reloading 19:04:05 it's nice 19:04:08 but not as nice imo 19:04:31 hmm 19:04:56 I guess my sense of style coincides better with Jobs than with you, then 19:06:18 hmz, wait till you see my stuff, the whole world shalt drool over it! 19:06:50 heh 19:07:07 and why can't microsoft release something as nice as entourage for the PC? 19:07:19 because the mac inspires good design 19:07:28 the pc's design sucks 19:07:51 hmz 19:08:36 so, the hardware encourages different form of software? 19:08:51 not the hardware, the operating system 19:08:59 ah 19:09:19 Gates has no sense of style, and thus his programmers and developers follow in his lead 19:09:23 *nod* 19:09:34 whereas Jobs increases the quality of everything around him, because he demands perfection 19:10:25 heh 19:10:59 now, if macs would work on x86 architecture.. 19:11:06 ehm 19:11:11 mac os x 19:11:26 yes, well...it could.. but i doubt apple would do that 19:11:31 continue this tonite 19:11:37 laters 19:11:50 c'ya 20:01:52 Quick clarification needed from em: 20:01:59 Do we call you Supreme Ruler, Fearless Leader or Vegemite Boy? 20:02:42 err... you can call me eric 20:02:42 hows that? 20:02:42 :) 20:02:42 But we needed a more formal title. 20:02:42 who is 'we'? 20:02:43 "Let me clear that with Eric" just doesn't work, you see. 20:02:45 we = the semantic web masses 20:02:47 :) 20:02:49 Much better to say, "I have to check with Fearless Leader". 20:02:51 * em thinks AaronSw has too much time on his hands :) 20:02:53 * em notes to do something about this 20:02:55 hey! it comes up quite a bit 20:02:57 Fine, i'll go with vegemite boy then. 20:02:59 :) 20:03:01 "Hold on a sec while I ask Vegemite Boy." 20:03:03 hmm... doesn't have that authoritative ring i think you were looking for 20:03:05 eh, I dunno 20:03:17 * em recombines and comes up with Supreme Vegemite Leader 20:03:26 much better! 20:05:49 how about Activity Lead ... going traditional with what the business card says :) 20:05:57 No one can understand that. 20:09:24 Well then we'll have to stick with Supreme Vegemite Leader 20:09:24 :) 20:09:29 SVL for short 20:09:41 Done! 20:47:46 -- 21:58:26 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. One of our main hubs, farmer, is getting ready to reboot for an upgrade to FreeBSD 4.4. It will be rebooting several times before the server comes back. Please bear with us and apologies for the inconvenience. 22:00:25 AaronSw has quit 22:00:32 AaronSw has joined #swhack 22:00:35 [GlobalNotice] Here we go. 22:20:25 Morbus has joined #swhack 22:23:35 hi morbus 22:23:56 read the beginning of that futurama comic you showed us the other day... 22:24:10 ... poor treehuggers 22:24:44 hehehe... 22:24:58 you went and picked it up? 22:25:27 nah, my brother had a copy 22:25:30 btw, you can buy 10.1 off apple's site, but the stores don't get it until sat. 22:25:38 i wonder if the retail's are getting the upg cd.s 22:25:39 Yeah, I know 22:25:45 i really dont' want to snailmail my receipt 22:25:46 ... called up every store around 22:25:58 Yes, stores get upg. CDs but not developer tools. 22:26:08 And they're free! 22:26:13 wha? that sucks 22:26:29 how the hell are we supposed to get the devtools 22:26:33 i'm sure you can download developer tools, tho 22:26:38 you could download the old ones 22:27:20 poo. 22:27:26 ah twell. 22:27:31 brb 22:28:44 10.1 looks so cool, especially the AppleScript / Perl integration. 22:28:53 Now they just need to replace perl with Python. ;-) 22:33:37 Hmm, looks like the site only has the May 2001 Dev tools. 22:33:59 Guess they haven't updated it yet. 22:37:50 hehehe. perl and python. sheesh. 22:38:10 i wonder how niecly i could make an applescript gui 22:38:16 hooking into perl 22:38:38 god. it's so sexy when i drip steak juice all over my body and my cat comes to lick me dry. 22:38:49 More than I needed to know. ;-) 22:39:03 ... Quick, get the webcam up! 22:39:06 heh. i don't have a cat. 22:39:14 i justsent that to a vegetarian 22:39:23 lol 22:42:17 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. Services will be coming up momentarily. 22:43:52 seen this?http://www.apple.com/applescript/macosx/script_menu/ 22:44:32 Yeah, that's what I was referring to above. 22:44:49 Web services, applescript studio... i'm drooling ;) 22:44:52 ah. 22:44:58 heheh :) 22:45:22 ChanServ has changed the topic to: 22:45:25 I assume that when they say Perl, they're mean anything that supports shbang or whatever 22:45:38 [GlobalNotice] That should do it for now, thanks for your patience. 22:46:06 well, even if they didn't, you could just perl off to the shell. 22:46:07 Morbus has left #swhack 22:46:08 AaronSw has changed the topic to: Drool: http://www.apple.com/macosx/ 22:46:14 Morbus has joined #swhack 22:46:38 Heh, "The biggest breakthrough since point and click" 22:46:43 I wouldn't go that far. 22:46:46 um 22:47:15 You need to learn how to use your IRC client, Morbo. 22:53:25 Woohoo!!! 10.1 works with my camera! 22:57:21 oh? what'd i do stupidly now. 22:57:24 and where are you seeing that? 22:57:35 on the macosx website 22:57:44 gotta run, dinner 22:57:49 c'ya in a bit 22:57:55 yup 23:16:35 sbp has joined #swhack 23:21:14 hi sean 23:21:19 * AaronSw returns 23:21:32 Hi Aaron 23:21:33 wb 23:21:51 thanks 23:22:45 np 23:22:59 s/thanks/tx/ 23:23:04 I got you're email. I'm currently engaged in a GL thread... 23:23:10 :-) 23:23:18 Do you have a response? 23:23:26 To what? 23:23:38 my email... 23:23:54 Written? Not yet 23:24:00 hmm, what email are you thinking of? 23:25:54 sbp has quit 23:34:44 sbp has joined #swhack 23:34:48 wb 23:35:01 ty 23:35:08 what were we discussing? 23:35:09 np 23:35:22 Did you get my email about the telecon for the primer 23:35:23 ? 23:35:34 Outline at: http://www.w3.org/2001/09/rdfprimer/ 23:35:43 yeah... oh, you must have missed that bit 23:35:53 Written? Not yet 23:35:53 hmm, what email are you thinking of? 23:35:53 *** sbp has quit IRC (Read error to sbp[ACA30A13.ipt.aol.com]: Connection reset by peer) 23:35:59 I said that I obviously couldn't dial into the call, so it looks unlikely 23:36:10 * sbp retrieves his log 23:36:11 Hmm, we could dial you in, no? 23:36:26 Like I did last time. 23:36:27 Some Might Say is such a classy song... 23:36:35 if you can dial me in, I'll be there :-) 23:36:56 Great! 23:36:59 sbp has left #swhack 23:37:13 Pff. 23:39:28 anyone worked with xbel? 23:39:33 xbel? 23:39:48 yah. the bookmark exchange langaugae. created by your beloved python people ;) 23:39:57 Oh, yes. 23:39:58 sbp has joined #swhack 23:40:16 fuck! 23:40:47 what's up with your connection? 23:40:56 Dunno... it just keeps caving in 23:41:53 hmm 23:42:03 er... what was I doing... 23:42:09 getting ready to be disconnected again 23:42:19 :-) 23:42:20 if you can dial me in, I'll be there :-) 23:42:20 Great! 23:42:26 *** sbp has left the channel 23:42:28 *** sbp has quit IRC (Read error to sbp[AC8CAF29.ipt.aol.com]: Connection reset by peer) 23:42:33 -- 23:42:35 ... wait, you'er using aol? 23:42:45 we should give you pity? 23:42:47 23:42:57 Yeah, look at how desperate he is! 23:43:04 hehe 23:43:43 gimme some money! 23:44:28 heh 23:45:03 Why don't you apply for a job at ESP? They probably won't pay you, but you might get an Internet connection out of it. ;-) 23:45:10 [[[ 23:45:11 Written? Not yet 23:45:11 hmm, what email are you thinking of? 23:45:11 PRIMER: Arranging a telecon time 23:45:11 Obviously, I won't be able to dial in... so it looks unlikely 23:45:11 *** Disconnected 23:45:12 Session Close: Wed Sep 26 00:27:18 2001 23:45:15 ]]] 23:45:23 yo, tav, gimme a job 23:46:00 Hmm, where's that stupid dialin page! 23:46:20 telecon's not 'till Thursday, Aaron 23:46:33 Yeah, but I want to be prepared. 23:46:37 :-) 23:46:41 Who foots the bill? 23:47:10 Not me. ;-) 23:47:18 ah, that'll do then :-) 23:47:29 you know, uh, if 10.1 wasn't coming out, i'd be all over paying 23:47:33 seriously, you'd really better check it out 23:47:44 Aha! W3C Teleconference Bridge Dialout dial in dial-in http://www.w3.org/1998/12/bridge/dialout.php3 23:47:47 sure Morbus, sure... :-) 23:47:59 Especially since 10.1 is free! 23:48:05 sbp, check what out? 23:48:16 Team ACL? 23:48:37 Honest judge, it was a GET! I can't be held reliable. 23:48:46 Hmm... 23:49:02 s/reliable/responsible/ 23:49:07 Anyway, check it out with whoever pays the bill 23:49:14 The W3C, duh. 23:49:26 I'm sure Supreme Vegemite Leader will approve. 23:49:46 cool; don't forget to ask him 23:49:57 well, you blackmail him with vegemite, but it's all the same 23:50:13 yo, Supreme Vegemite Leader, can I dial Sean in for the telecon? 23:50:24 aha 23:50:33 I should join that channel 23:50:42 I didn't actually send it to the channel. 23:50:55 You should see our talk eariler today -- I pasted (some of it) into the logs here. 23:53:31 * sbp kicks himself, it's member ACLed 23:53:40 so there you go 23:53:45 I go where? 23:53:56 I know it's Member ACLed -- I used it before, remember? 23:55:33 yep