IRC log of swhack on 2001-09-23

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topic is: rdf:value a :Joke .

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Users on #swhack: logster tav AaronSw deltab tav`

00:42:05 [AaronSw]

hmmph, where's xena

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01:05:55 [AaronSw]

hi there

01:06:00 [sbp]

Hi Aaron

01:06:06 [sbp]

Did you have a nice Saturday?

01:06:14 [AaronSw]

Yes, how about you?

01:06:18 [sbp]

I just sent a rant about XHTML 2.0: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-tech-comments/2001Sep/0024

01:06:25 [sbp]

it was alright

01:07:28 [sbp]

Keyboards should have smiley buttons! :-)

01:07:35 [AaronSw]

:-)

01:08:13 [sbp]

* sbp listens to "I'm Gonna Crawl" at very low volume, being 2:09AM

01:08:29 [AaronSw]

I'm trying to think of the word for gift economy... I thoug it was agorics, but that doesn't seem right. It's used more to describe creating a market-based system for computing resources.

01:09:10 [sbp]

how about just doing a Germanism, and having "gifteconomy"

01:09:22 [AaronSw]

:-)

01:09:39 [sbp]

or invent a word. That would be cool too

01:09:54 [AaronSw]

I distinctly remember it being ago-something... perhaps my memory is corrupted again. :-(

01:10:15 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw apologizes in advance for having led tav astray...

01:10:47 [sbp]

agouti?

01:10:56 [sbp]

a small rabbit like creature from South America

01:11:00 [sbp]

:-)

01:11:12 [AaronSw]

no... don't think that was it ;-)

01:11:24 [sbp]

There aren't many words that start with "ago"

01:11:36 [sbp]

ago-go

01:11:37 [AaronSw]

it's in my meail somewhere, but I haven't coppied over the archives far enough to get at it. :-(

01:11:46 [sbp]

blargh

01:11:55 [AaronSw]

it had a domain name... so netcraft should find it

01:11:55 [sbp]

tried the Web?

01:12:07 [AaronSw]

yeah...

01:15:21 [AaronSw]

hmm

01:16:11 [sbp]

Pfffff... how can "deeley" not be in the dictionary? http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=deeley

01:16:57 [AaronSw]

heh

01:17:32 [sbp]

it's outrageous

01:18:12 [AaronSw]

Ooh, a new Sean-coinage:

01:18:13 [AaronSw]

"that are erndered visually is their aspect ratios"

01:18:36 [sbp]

Hmm... only one page on Google has both the words "deeley" and "doohickey" on it

01:18:46 [sbp]

yeah, I messed that up a bit

01:18:56 [sbp]

I meant "rendered" or something

01:19:00 [AaronSw]

google: Yours?

01:19:11 [sbp]

how *did* you guess? :-)

01:19:17 [sbp]

http://www.google.com/search?q=deeley+doohickey&hl=en

01:19:23 [AaronSw]

Well, now we have two ;-)

01:19:34 [sbp]

two what?

01:19:41 [AaronSw]

two pages with both those words

01:19:50 [sbp]

but not two pages on Google!

01:19:59 [AaronSw]

give it some time!

01:20:05 [sbp]

O.K.!

01:20:14 [sbp]

He he he

01:20:31 [AaronSw]

Google probably updates the archives of this channel pretty regularly...

01:20:51 [sbp]

Are they in there at all?

01:22:20 [AaronSw]

Hmm, you're right! They aren't.

01:22:23 [AaronSw]

We must remedy this...

01:22:24 [sbp]

thought not

01:22:55 [AaronSw]

I'll point to it from my website, that'll give them authority.

01:23:51 [sbp]

Why don't you just enter it in their Add URL form deeley?

01:23:58 [AaronSw]

I'll do that too.

01:25:38 [sbp]

where's googler gone?

01:25:54 [AaronSw]

I figured xena replaced it.

01:25:58 [AaronSw]

But now xena's gone... :-(

01:26:06 [AaronSw]

... again

01:27:16 [sbp]

Gmgpmgpmgpmh

01:28:20 [sbp]

acronyms: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=RDF+N3+URI+XML+XHTML+SW+DAML+CSS+CWM

01:29:27 [sbp]

wow: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Semantic+Web%22&hl=en&start=10&sa=N

01:29:44 [sbp]

swintro has gradually risen to the top of the second page for "Semantic Web"

01:30:28 [AaronSw]

wow

01:30:45 [sbp]

It'll be above the SW homepage soon! Maybe not

01:31:59 [sbp]

Ooh, I redesigned SBP SWAD! I have to upload it...

01:32:08 [AaronSw]

swintro: Perhaps it's just the after effects of dave pointing to it?

01:33:05 [sbp]

I don't think Google

01:33:10 [sbp]

's picked up on that yet

01:33:21 [sbp]

It says that no page even links to swintro yet

01:33:23 [sbp]

ta da: http://infomesh.net/2001/05/sw/

01:33:33 [AaronSw]

the links to thing is weird

01:34:30 [AaronSw]

What's that weird thing on the new SBP SWAD?

01:34:51 [sbp]

what weird thing?

01:34:59 [AaronSw]

the thing on the top

01:35:19 [sbp]

Um... it's a torn page: a scrap of paper

01:35:32 [sbp]

is it really that non-obvious? Eek

01:35:52 [AaronSw]

It looks like evil setting in over the page..

01:36:27 [sbp]

Erm... is your screen on a weird setting or something?

01:38:18 [AaronSw]

No... I see what you mean -- it just looks weird.

01:38:39 [sbp]

Gmbrggmbmgm; I've got rid of it, Mr. Aaron "rip the fun out of anything" Swartz :-)

01:38:53 [sbp]

Ugh, and now the stylesheet doesn't work

01:39:03 [sbp]

* sbp mumbles som'ore

01:39:26 [AaronSw]

heh

01:39:36 [sbp]

There, that's better

01:41:09 [sbp]

* sbp does more barely audiable mumbling

01:42:19 [sbp]

Note that I put the befunge93 SW program on there

01:42:29 [sbp]

[[[

01:42:29 [sbp]

Semantic Web: Befunge93 Programs

01:42:30 [sbp]

I wrote what may be the shortest and most obfuscated Semantic Web program to date:-

01:42:30 [sbp]

0v_^#-3:+1,,"> "< -

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>"<" >,~:25#$*^

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>".",@^ _^#<

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It takes in three URIs from user input, and outputs an NTriple.

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]]]

01:42:59 [AaronSw]

heh

01:45:00 [sbp]

* sbp thinks of a way in which he might make it shorter

01:45:07 [AaronSw]

hmm, the CSS hasn't updated...

01:46:42 [sbp]

Nah, I was wrong

01:46:46 [sbp]

hit refresh

01:46:51 [sbp]

46... hmm

01:47:06 [sbp]

LCF's are 2 and 23. Crap

01:47:18 [sbp]

59*1+

01:47:41 [sbp]

heh, two characters longer

01:47:48 [AaronSw]

I still see:

01:47:48 [AaronSw]

background: url(back.gif); background-repeat: no-repeat;

01:48:01 [sbp]

yeah, but I removed back.gif

01:48:13 [AaronSw]

well, pfff that's no good

01:48:33 [AaronSw]

Come on sbp, 404s!

01:48:36 [sbp]

* sbp comments that bit out too

01:48:53 [sbp]

and I've restored back.gif

01:48:55 [AaronSw]

That's better

01:50:40 [sbp]

crap, I thought I had another way to make it smaller then...

01:51:30 [sbp]

ooh! I may have it

01:52:37 [sbp]

er no... that didn't make it any shorter whatsoever. Duh

01:54:20 [sbp]

Befunge is so cool...

01:57:01 [sbp]

ah... I could turn it upside down

02:00:27 [sbp]

that didn't help much

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0v >".",@v _v#<

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>"<" >,~:25#$*v

02:00:32 [sbp]

^_v#-3:+1,,"> "< -

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aha!

02:02:47 [sbp]

v_^#-3:+1,,"> "< -

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>"<" >,~:25#$*^

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>".",@^ _^#<

02:03:13 [sbp]

you don't need to put 0 in the stack, because it's there implicitly anyway. A quirk of Befunge

02:04:06 [AaronSw]

weird

02:05:09 [sbp]

not it's just 18x3

02:06:20 [sbp]

Ooh! I can duplicate the comma

02:06:37 [sbp]

No I can't...

02:11:31 [sbp]

the ^, $, and < need to align, so I don't think it can get any shorter

02:11:34 [sbp]

Gotta run

02:11:41 [AaronSw]

bye

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02:25:37 [sbp]

I made it 15x3!

02:25:39 [sbp]

Hooray!

02:25:41 [sbp]

>"<" ,>~:25#$*v

02:25:43 [sbp]

|-3:+1,,"> "< -

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>".",@v, _v#<

02:25:59 [deltab]

neat

02:26:06 [sbp]

thank you :-)

02:26:16 [deltab]

in multiple senses of the word :-)

02:26:26 [sbp]

:-)

02:26:34 [sbp]

I figured that I could use a vertical if, as long as I turned the program upside down

02:26:51 [deltab]

hehe

02:27:05 [sbp]

then I realised that it's a torus, and that instead of directing the pointer down and then along, I could just put that line at the top

02:27:21 [sbp]

and then I realised that if I duplicated a comma, I'd save another space

02:27:29 [sbp]

so that's three spaces I saved

02:30:57 [sbp]

it's a shame that there isn't a character that lets you pop two values as alpha

02:31:06 [sbp]

then I could compact the double comma

02:37:13 [AaronSw]

Hmm, it seems Mark Bernstein agrees with me about Bush's "war"...:

02:37:22 [AaronSw]

"""I don't agree with most people. But I'm part of a small minority, a fringe, like the folks who thought Nixon wasn't a crook.

02:37:23 [AaronSw]

People are talking about wild things. Completely reconstructing the Middle East. Occupation. Nuclear weapons. """

02:42:53 [sbp]

* sbp wonders if anyone has actually tried to draw a befunge93 program on a donut

02:44:49 [sbp]

Hmm...

02:46:15 [sbp]

>"<" ,>~:25#$*v

02:46:15 [sbp]

|-3:+1,,"> "< -

02:46:15 [sbp]

>".",@^ _v#<

02:46:17 [sbp]

works too

02:46:30 [sbp]

one less comma, but it's no smaller

02:47:07 [AaronSw]

this is like an obsession...

02:47:40 [AaronSw]

OK, I'm going to play Escape from Monkey Island -- c'yas later

02:47:44 [sbp]

try it: you'll find out just how frustrating it is to have spaces in a b93 program!

02:47:46 [sbp]

c'ya

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Gotta run

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fwump

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03:54:25 [AaronSw]

hullo

03:58:31 [sbp]

HI

03:58:35 [sbp]

Hi even

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Gotta run

03:59:03 [AaronSw]

That was quick.

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04:59:08 [AaronSw]

AaronSw has changed the topic to: Everything we do is art.

13:17:56 [AaronSw]

AaronSw has changed the topic to: I have an urge not merely to be an architect but a builder too. | Everything we do is art.

13:18:19 [AaronSw]

AaronSw has changed the topic to: At no time is freedom of speech more precious than when a man hits his thumb with a hammer. - Todat's fortune message | I have an urge not merely to be an architect but a builder too. - tav | Everything we do is art. - some native tribe

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* AaronSw hopes to go to New York soon.

15:16:05 [AaronSw]

cf. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/21/opinion/21FRI2.html

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15:17:44 [AaronSw]

hi

15:17:51 [Morbus]

hey there. won't be staying long.

15:21:08 [Morbus]

have you gotten your three o'reilly books? only ... a week left, i think.

15:23:04 [tav]

till ?

15:23:20 [Morbus]

end of september.

15:23:22 [AaronSw]

Huh?

15:23:27 [Morbus]

buy 2, get 1 free

15:23:57 [AaronSw]

oh... i can't think of any o'reilly books i really want

15:25:19 [Morbus]

alright, well, i have to go now. ciao all...

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heh

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15:57:05 [sbp]

Ping

15:57:07 [AaronSw]

pong

15:57:52 [AaronSw]

wassup?

15:58:49 [sbp]

I just wanted to know if you'd gone stark bollock raving mad or not

15:59:38 [sbp]

[[[

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I believe that these "URI-views", or

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whatever we wish to call them, should be removed from the RDF

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spec.

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]]]

15:59:56 [sbp]

tav, what the fuck are ya doin'?

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tav?

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He he he

16:00:27 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw has not gone stark raving mad.

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[[[

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[tav PONG!]

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-

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[tav MWAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!]

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-

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[tav FEAR_ME_HUMAN!]

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]]]

16:00:57 [AaronSw]

Where'd you get that?

16:01:07 [sbp]

From my status window

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:-)

16:01:19 [tav]

d'oh!

16:01:21 [AaronSw]

status window?

16:01:35 [sbp]

Yeah, my status window

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sbp: SG-1 fan?

16:01:54 [AaronSw]

<Notice> Unknown CTCP request CTCP_FLOOD from tav:

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I wondered what on earth was going on for a second...

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SG-1: nope

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anyways

16:02:26 [sbp]

"SG-1" != "The Simpsons"

16:02:32 [deltab]

ah

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:-)

16:02:46 [deltab]

that go for futurama too?

16:02:57 [sbp]

Futurama just slips by

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Matt Groening

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anyway, back to Aaron's lunacy...

16:03:12 [AaronSw]

SG?

16:03:22 [tav]

type: !help in the channel

16:03:54 [AaronSw]

ahh

16:04:03 [sbp]

[[[

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> This seems to imply that URI references (that is, URIs with fragment

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> identifiers) are not bound to a resource themselves.

16:04:05 [sbp]

Careful... it does not imply that URI references are

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bound to resources; but nor does it imply that they are *not*

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bound to resources. RFC2396 is silent on what

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a URI reference is bound to.

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]]] - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/uri/2001May/0018

16:04:17 [deltab]

AaronSw: Stargate SG-1

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ahh

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[[[

16:04:55 [AaronSw]

That definition is wrong. So are the definitions used by RDF. That's

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why they keep having semantic problems with the Web.

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]]] - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/uri/2001May/0019

16:05:57 [AaronSw]

When Roy Fielding says "Just shoot me." then something is wrong.

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But the logic of the argument simply doesn't make sense

16:06:50 [AaronSw]

Hey, I thought you agreed with me on this.

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no way! not if it means deprecating URI views

16:07:31 [AaronSw]

Why do you like URI-views?

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if #a and #b are different views of some URI identified resource, then they must identify distinct "things". we just call those things RDF resources

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because they're being used, and they work

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But they don't work with everyone else.

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I'm not the worlds biggest fan... but they still work

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with everyone else? who else is there?

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HTTP, URI spec, etc.

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they work with RDF, that's all they need to work with

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Pfft!

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why is it incompatable with HTTP and the URI spec.?

16:08:46 [AaronSw]

Fine, well just change the name to Deely Description Format and I won't care.

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But as long as you claim to be describing Resources, then you better well be.

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* sbp agrees

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Ah, so it's just a terminology thing. Well, that's easy to fix, and I very much agree that it should be

16:09:24 [AaronSw]

It's incompatible with HTTP because fragments are not sent in an HTTP request.

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It's incompatible with URIs because URIs claim that they are not bound to resources and the fragment receives its semantics from the mime type in a data transfer

16:10:19 [sbp]

But if the RDF fragments identify soem view of an RDF document (which they should do) then there isn't even a the...

16:10:54 [AaronSw]

There isn't? What about RDF embedded in HTML... Shouldn't it receive semantics from XPointer?

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XPointer says it's a location-set or something

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sorry, got called away

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RDF in HTML: then if you have <a id="blargh">, "#blargh" identifes that deeley

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if you have <rdf:Description rdf:about="#blargh">, then you have some additional information about that (well, you don't really, and RDF-in-XHTML is nuts anyway)

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if you embed RDF in XHTML, you'll have to send it as a new MIME type

16:14:05 [AaronSw]

"if you have <a id="blargh">, "#blargh" identifes that deeley" what deeley? the thing the contents of the <a> describe?

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whatever the HTML 4.01 specification (reference from the text/html RFC) says it identifies

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s/reference/referenced

16:19:34 [sbp]

Hmm... I think you should go through some of DanC's mails on the subject: very insightful

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/uri/2001May/0020

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I have gone thru all of them.

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I've studied a lot on this subject, trust me.

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that's a response to Roy Fielding, who actually didn't understand the problem first of all

16:20:20 [AaronSw]

Pfft! Roy understands this all very well.

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I consider him the foremost authority on the subject.

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So does Dan

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hmz

16:20:43 [AaronSw]

Roy wrote a dissertation on the subject, for goodness sake!

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He wrote the book!

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He wrote the spec!

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He wrote the software!

16:21:03 [sbp]

No, he *co*-wrote the spec

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Fine.

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Point still stands.

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He wrote both specs, mind you.

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err, co-wrote

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Dan Connolly wrote... neither?

16:21:58 [AaronSw]

err, co-wrote

16:22:04 [sbp]

I'm not saying that he didn't understand URI architecture, I'm saying that he didn't understand initially what was being discussed in that thread. He must have read your email too fast or something

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so just because he didn't write the spec means that he knows nothing about URIs?

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writing specifications is no indication of how much or how little one knows about a subject

16:23:08 [AaronSw]

What indicates to you that he didn't understand what was being discussed

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?

16:23:32 [sbp]

read http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/uri/2001May/0020

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I have!

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I just did!

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[[[

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> > I don't think so; I think you're reading more into RFC2396

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> > than is there. (you're certainly not the first, and

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> > I don't expect you'll be the last.)

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>

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> No, that is correct.

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The interpretation he's asking about says that

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http://example.org/q#foo

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and

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http://example.org/q#bar

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identify the same resource.

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]]]

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he had to point out what the question was

16:24:25 [AaronSw]

Pff, you're reading too much into that.

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and you'd know all about that... :-)

16:24:40 [AaronSw]

It's DanC's debate tactics again.

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Anyway, what's the problem with deprecating URI views?

16:31:58 [sbp]

the problem is that loads of current software supports and implements it, and it works

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So? If we take it out, none of that software will break.

16:32:35 [AaronSw]

Loads of current software doesn't support it.

16:32:51 [AaronSw]

If RDF is to build on top of URIs and HTTP, it can't very well go around changing them!

16:33:21 [AaronSw]

If we just want to make RDF 1.0 random loser language instead of the foundation for the Semantic Web, it'd be OK. But we're supposed to be making it the foundation of the Semantic Web!

16:34:15 [sbp]

it works (the URI-views work... some other parts are messed up)!

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16:36:13 [sbp]

You keep saying that it's incompatable with URIs and HTTP, and yet I see no evidence for that

16:36:30 [sbp]

* sbp has to run soon

16:37:08 [AaronSw]

You can't ask an HTTP server for a URI-view.

16:37:18 [AaronSw]

The URI spec doesn't give them any semantics.

16:37:41 [sbp]

The URI spec doesn't define their semantics. So what?

16:38:02 [AaronSw]

Well, they're not URIs.

16:38:07 [sbp]

And so what if you can't ask a server for a URI view? Does that mean URI-views in total are broken

16:38:16 [sbp]

OF course they're not URIs. So?

16:38:23 [AaronSw]

Well, yes, insofar as they are part of web architecture. They're broken.

16:38:29 [AaronSw]

They're not part of the Web.

16:38:38 [AaronSw]

They're a screwed up legacy mistake that no one knows how to fix

16:38:46 [AaronSw]

To be quite honest.

16:39:45 [sbp]

I think that thwey do exactly what they were intended to do, and I don't know how you can call that broken

16:40:39 [AaronSw]

What were they intended to do?

16:40:52 [sbp]

point to a view of a document

16:41:12 [AaronSw]

And how does that make sense in a web where not all resources are documents?!

16:41:28 [sbp]

s/document/resource

16:41:37 [AaronSw]

It made sense at the beginnings of the Web, when we just had documents sent over wires, but now it no longer fits.

16:41:41 [AaronSw]

What's a view of a resource?

16:41:46 [AaronSw]

It's meaningless.

16:41:49 [AaronSw]

The URI spec says so.

16:41:58 [AaronSw]

If not in so many words.

16:42:12 [sbp]

"the URI spec does not ascribe a meaning to it" != "it is meaningless"

16:43:12 [AaronSw]

But it does ascribe a meaning!

16:43:16 [AaronSw]

Read the section of the URI spec.

16:45:21 [sbp]

many apologies, I really do have to run now

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c'ya

16:46:29 [AaronSw]

bye!

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19:17:40 [sbp]

Wow...

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[[[

19:17:42 [sbp]

At the heart of the Access US network is a Cisco GSR 12000 series router capable of transferring over 1.5 Gigs of data per second. That is 1,000 T-1 lines!

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]]] - http://www.accessus.net/hostingcolocation/hosting.asp

19:22:18 [AaronSw]

hi

19:22:37 [sbp]

Hi

19:22:59 [AaronSw]

What's Access US?

19:23:20 [AaronSw]

Or rather, why are you interested in them?

19:24:33 [sbp]

I was looking for a site on busprod.com, but it seems that all of the busprod.com sites have gone, and busprod.com itself redirects to Access US

19:47:35 [AaronSw]

"We apologize for the inconvenience of this, but it is imperative that we ensure our network is not assisting in the propagation of this, or any, worm. All of us are part of a larger community, and it really isn't cool to infect your neighbors." , http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,47037,00.html

19:47:41 [AaronSw]

Heh! "Patrick being the king of QName doom" - mid:020101c14462$971f9e00$55ed93c3@y0r1d9

19:47:49 [AaronSw]

Heh: "BTW, this isn't IRC; you might want to lurk before using such a l33t name." - http://wmf.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader$5780

19:47:54 [AaronSw]

/nick ==l333tman!==

19:48:06 [sbp]

<sbp> l33t?

19:48:07 [sbp]

<AaronSw> 3l337 == eleet = elite

19:48:07 [sbp]

<AaronSw> 31337, rather

19:48:07 [sbp]

<sbp> oh yeah. How ever did I miss that? :-)

19:48:07 [sbp]

<AaronSw> I know!

19:48:07 [sbp]

<sbp> :-)

19:48:09 [sbp]

<AaronSw> You're apparently not very l33t

19:48:11 [sbp]

<sbp> l33t?

19:48:13 [sbp]

<AaronSw> 3l337 == l33t == eleet == elite

19:48:15 [sbp]

<AaronSw> 31337, rather

19:48:17 [sbp]

<sbp> oh yeah. How ever did I miss that? :-)

19:48:19 [sbp]

<AaronSw> I know!

19:48:21 [sbp]

<sbp> :-)

19:48:23 [sbp]

<sbp> we're odd people

19:48:25 [sbp]

<AaronSw> indeed.

19:48:27 [sbp]

<sbp> Hmm... that's something I don't do often

19:48:29 [sbp]

<AaronSw> Oops! I meant to paste all of this into swhack!

19:48:31 [sbp]

<sbp> converting documents to HTML 3.2, changing <hr /> to <hr>. Scary

19:48:33 [sbp]

<sbp> paste what?

19:48:35 [sbp]

<sbp> Oh, heh!

19:48:37 [sbp]

<sbp> Well, no one will know anyway, and you can always copy it over

19:48:39 [sbp]

<AaronSw> Sorry guys!

19:48:53 [AaronSw]

Well I'm not sorry for you guys.

19:49:59 [AaronSw]

Heh! http://www.macaddict.com/osx/hacks/megaicon.html

19:50:42 [sbp]

What IRC client do you use? Shadow?

19:50:50 [AaronSw]

Snak

19:51:08 [sbp]

lol: "is that a 928 pixel icon on your desktop, or are you just happy to see me?"

19:51:31 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw tries the hack... watch out. ;-)

19:53:27 [sbp]

:-)

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19:54:01 [sbp]

Hi Advacon

19:54:06 [ADVAC0N]

hey

19:54:21 [AaronSw]

Hmm, doesn't seem to have worked.

19:54:25 [sbp]

Bummer

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19:54:55 [sbp]

Blimey, where are all these people coming from?

19:55:16 [sbp]

Anyway...

19:55:18 [sbp]

Gotta run

19:55:21 [AaronSw]

Bye

19:55:24 [sbp]

c'ya

19:55:25 [ADVAC0N]

why has subseven.mine.nu been down for so long?

19:55:36 [AaronSw]

Just a note guy, this channel is about _hacking_ not cracking.

19:55:43 [AaronSw]

s/guy/guys/

19:55:55 [ADVAC0N]

lol

19:56:07 [ADVAC0N]

i was just wondering why its been down for so long

19:57:40 [ADVAC0N]

ok cya

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* AaronSw plays some music *really loud*!

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21:36:15 [AaronSw]

hi

21:36:24 [sbp]

Hi there

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xena!

21:41:33 [sbp]

lol @ s/cracking/hacking

21:42:29 [AaronSw]

heh

21:48:33 [sbp]

He he he

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[[[

21:48:34 [sbp]

The Smartest Dog Ever

21:48:34 [sbp]

As a butcher is shooing a dog from his shop, he sees $10 and a note in his mouth, reading: "10 lamb chops, please."

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Amazed, he takes the money, puts a bag of chops in the dog's mouth, and quickly closes the shop. He follows the dog and watches him wait for a green light, look both ways, and trot across the road to a bus stop. The dog checks the timetable and sits on the bench. When a bus arrives, he walks around to the front and looks at the number, then boards the bus. The butcher follows, dumbstruck.

21:48:37 [sbp]

As the bus travels out into the suburbs, the dog takes in the scenery. After awhile he stands on his back paws to push the "stop" button, then the butcher follows him off.

21:48:40 [sbp]

The dog runs up to a house and drops his bag on the stoop. He goes back down the path, takes a big run, and throws himself -Whap!- against the door. He does this again and again. No answer. So he jumps on a wall, walks around the garden, beats his head against a window, jumps off, and waits at the front door. A big guy opens it and starts cursing and pummeling the dog.

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21:48:47 [sbp]

The butcher runs up screams at the guy: "What the hell are you doing? This dog's a genius!"

21:48:49 [sbp]

The owner responds, "Genius, my ass. It's the second time this week he's forgotten his key!"

21:48:53 [sbp]

]]] - http://www.thecomedylab.com/jokes/results/detail.asp?id=9620&sql=1&cat=26

21:50:14 [AaronSw]

Heh!

21:53:49 [sbp]

he he he, from the same site: "You have to stay in shape. My mother started walking five miles a day when she was 60. She's 97 now and we have no idea where she is."

21:54:51 [AaronSw]

Heh.

21:56:32 [AaronSw]

Gotta run.

21:57:29 [sbp]

O.K., c'ya

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