00:38:03 logster has joined #swhack 00:38:03 Users on #swhack: logster deltab tav tav` AaronSw 00:38:32 Morbus has joined #swhack 00:38:48 hi there... good timing, i just returned 00:42:28 Eeek, 10,591 new emails... something is wrong. 00:43:50 I'm being attacked by what looks like some weird new worm... anyone seen this? 00:44:54 NIMDA? 00:49:15 yup. 00:49:31 if you're running sendmail on your server, aaron, i can give you the filter 00:49:37 or procmail. 00:49:49 Please? 00:49:52 How does it work? 00:49:54 procmail or sendmail? 00:49:58 sendmail 00:50:16 do you have the regexp support compiled in? 00:50:32 umm, not sure... I just installed the default RPM 00:50:43 hmm. i dunno. we'll try. hold on. 00:51:02 http://ISP-Lists.ISP-Planet.com/isp-tech/0109/msg00851.html 00:51:11 thats me from my work :) 00:53:37 thanks 00:54:06 there are router commands to block it, but i don't have those around me. 00:55:26 Hmm, now I just need to figure out how to write a perl script to remove it from my mail spool 00:57:05 Oh, shoot.. never mind the email box isn't on my server. 00:57:22 heh... uh oh. 00:57:29 can you procmail it locally? 00:57:47 well, i can filter it with my mail client (which is what i'm doing) 00:57:53 but it's going to take a while to download... 00:57:59 what format is your mailbox in? you on linux? or mac right now? 00:58:15 ah. you can't telnet to the email box and run a script on your file? 00:58:33 heh, not that i know of... mindspring 00:58:39 ah. yeah. 00:58:42 welp... hmm... 00:58:57 do this. set your email program to not dl mail over 20k, just dl the headers. 00:59:01 then mass delete that way.] 00:59:46 nah, that won't work... the emails are all very small 01:01:19 do they all have an attachment of "readme.exe"? 01:01:38 no, it's not NIMDA, apparently 01:01:54 ah. 01:01:58 it's emails from a bot i set up to notify me when weird things it the server... 01:02:03 but a lot of weird things hit... 01:02:06 stufflike: http://www/scripts/..%5c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir 01:02:17 and http://www/d/winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir 01:02:37 And all the peer IPs are within the class C I'm on 01:02:40 yeah, that's nimda 01:02:48 Oh, OK... 01:03:05 nimda tries to attack about 6 or 7 vuln's in NT, and acts like code red in the sense of scanning its class C first. 01:03:51 I see... it's really hit hard 01:04:49 mmHmm... 01:05:34 I can't think of much more to do but sit and wait.... 01:05:44 at least i've got my mailer to delete them locall 01:05:47 err locally 01:08:30 hey, deltab, you want to read over something i'm going to post on evolt.org? concerns apache and ssi's. i'm about five minutes from finishing it, and would need a readover in about 10. you too aaron is you want 01:08:52 okay 01:09:06 i've got a few other things to straighten out first, but when i'm done. ;-) 01:10:49 deltag, try to get to http://63.173.138.142/ssi%20gallery.htm 01:13:28 sbp has joined #swhack 01:13:56 Hey, logster's back! 01:13:58 Woo! 01:14:16 :-) 01:14:32 Did you have a nice holiday? 01:14:54 * AaronSw returns to two downed bots and 10,576 new emails 01:14:58 :-( 01:14:59 heheheh 01:14:59 lol! 01:15:07 he got hit by nimda :) 01:15:07 No, i'm completely serious. 01:15:10 :-( 01:15:23 But the holiday was great! It was like having a weekend in the middle of the week. 01:15:26 I know, that's why it's so funny :-) 01:15:30 heheheheh 01:15:35 Nimda: scary thing 01:15:52 holiday: lucky you 01:15:52 And apparently my client reconnected 10^7 times... it's the topic at #openacs :-( 01:16:00 hey, sbp, you want to readover something for me/ 01:16:08 http://63.173.138.142/ssi%20gallery.htm 01:16:10 sure 01:16:24 gimme your thoughts. i'll be doing a revision and then posting to evolt.org before tonight is over 01:17:50 I'm not even going to speak to you again until you put "alt" attributes on those images... 01:17:57 heh! 01:18:05 hehehe. fine. actually, that's a good point ;) 01:18:27 :-) 01:19:39 Chaining SSI's? Good idea! 01:20:18 :) 01:24:01 Hmm, why isn't sed -e 's/\r/\n/' working? 01:24:36 morbus: found a > which should be > 01:25:07 yup. refresh. its' validating now 01:28:57 AaronSw: sed can only work on a line at a time 01:29:10 what are you trying to do? change line endings somehow? 01:29:10 oh? so it won't see the \r ? 01:29:13 yes 01:29:30 perl -e -i.old `s/\r/\n/' 01:29:30 why don't you use a Python script? 01:29:37 DOS to double-spaced Unix? 01:29:41 or Perl 01:29:46 Mac to Unix, deltab 01:29:51 Morbus does that edit in place? 01:29:51 ah 01:30:00 I need something to pipe it 01:30:20 AaronSw: it does, with .old added to the backup 01:30:31 just remove the -i .old 01:30:38 sbp, in pyAdvocacy classes, they taught us that perl has it's uses, this is one of them 01:30:41 and add -p 01:30:50 yeah... I suppose 01:31:05 perl -e -p 's/\r/\n/' ? 01:31:15 you folks really should attend good pyAdvocacy lessons 01:31:21 where, tav? 01:31:51 they are all around us 01:32:00 So how do I attend? 01:32:08 AaronSw: you could use tr instead 01:32:08 hehehe... any of you guys tried parrot yet? 01:32:25 deltab: any thoughts on the article? 01:32:38 tr: thanks -- couldn't remember the name 01:32:46 Morbus: I like it 01:32:51 still reading 01:32:54 k 01:33:11 AaronSw: stay on the path towards python zen, and the pyAdvocacy lesson brochures will start appearing 01:33:19 heh! 01:33:44 remember, java is the root of all evil! 01:33:48 chant after me! 01:33:53 java is the root of all evil! 01:33:57 absolutely... 01:34:02 s/as well as it's/as well as its/ 01:34:25 thanks 01:34:28 They released Parrot? 01:34:49 heh 01:34:51 Hmm... Python zen: what's the sound of oen string splicing? 01:34:51 yup. use.perl.org :) 01:36:59 deltab: do you know if i set a description using mod_index that i could pick it up via ssi? i doubt it. twould be nice though 01:37:15 Well anyway, that was fun 01:43:45 Did they refactor cwm.py while I was gone? That would be a real miracle... 01:44:04 they split it up a bit... 01:44:10 wow! 01:46:22 any final comments on this ssi thing? 01:46:29 yes 01:46:34 Yeah: go publish it... now! 01:46:37 hehehe. 01:46:50 i had a few hours. if i don't finish it tonight, it'll be weeks before i get back to it :0 01:50:42 Morbus: you mean mod_autoindex, I assume. No way that I can find, though it might be possible with an extension or something 01:51:37 fixed the >.jpg thing? 01:52:01 yup, and yup. 01:52:07 just adding some anal caveats now. 01:52:10 added alt tags 01:52:23 adding a RedirectMatch to allow /show/jack instead of show.shtml/jack. 01:53:30 aaronSw, btw, if you get tinkertool, you can turn on hidden files for osx, which allows you to see .htaccess files (normally,you'd have to bbedit or shell them) 01:53:50 osx/finder rather 01:53:52 oh, neat 01:54:01 * AaronSw uses the shell more than the finder, but still cool 01:54:08 I love the Pepper mlpe combo. 01:54:32 the sad thing is that i've been using netfinder, so i've had to shell .htaccess, then rename it to -htaccess so Netfinder can see it, and then rename on the server end too. pain in the ass 01:55:03 NameError: 'Netfinder' not bound 01:55:32 i.e. Netfinder? 01:55:53 finder ftp client 01:56:03 ahh 01:56:12 deltab, refresh to see two caveats in the conclusion 01:56:18 Morbus: I wouldn't say flastmod and fsize perform "an action on a file" 01:56:37 conclusion? 01:56:49

Conclusion

01:56:49 01:56:54 yeah, conclusion of that file. ... refresh. 01:57:19 perform a "analysis"... "info request"? 01:57:41 not seeing any change when I reload 01:57:43 uh oh. i think its caching. 01:57:54 ok. i'm a moron. hold on. 01:58:24 to what? 01:58:32 try again 01:58:44 that ssi doc 02:00:56 deltab, changed "action" line to something like "gets info on a file" 02:01:57 maybe "makes the server get info" 02:02:46 makes Apache return info on a file? 02:03:06 yes 02:03:48 well, I think what you're trying to emphasize is it's the server that tries to access the file 02:05:25 alright... 02:05:42 "SSI commands make the return info on a file, Apache will" 02:05:44 the RedirectMatch not only makes the URL looks nicer, it also makes it possible to change to some other method of serving the files without changing the URLs or keeping obsolete bits in them 02:05:52 (add "server") 02:06:10 right. i'll add that. 02:07:11 I like doing random Google searches: http://www.google.com/search?q=Monkey+Flare+Nut+Google 02:07:22 heh. i did that on scattergirl. lemme find a link. 02:08:09 http://www.scattergirl.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000049.html 02:09:15 weird! http://muted.org/alx/quotes.txt 02:09:29 anything else deltab? latest is on the refresh 02:09:32 "make the server access a file" (not the client) 02:09:35 excerpt:- 02:09:36 [[[ 02:09:36 Spiral sex? 02:09:36 Fun time on the Old town tonight 02:09:36 Wish you were here! 02:09:36 Clean shaven people are better respected members of society. 02:09:38 I found this photograph---thought it was cool. 02:09:40 Dear mom, please fine enclosed a picture of my fiancee. 02:09:42 Dear Dad, I know you won't like this, but I lost my virginity to an animal. 02:09:44 Dear police: NO MORE DONUTS!!! 02:09:46 ]]] 02:09:49 I'd say 02:13:09 Gotta run 02:13:13 alright, if no more comments, i'm submitting this thing. 02:13:16 bye 02:13:17 and where are the DOCTYPEs, eh? :-) 02:13:28 run it thru validator.w3.org 02:13:36 bwahahah.a 02:13:42 i'm trying not to confuse people :) 02:14:22 "(think "?" is a query, so what follows after that is a string)" 02:14:45 huh? 02:15:22 * AaronSw wonders about OS X webcam software... anyone have suggestions? 02:15:31 they'll just rip out the good part. 02:15:41 i use coolcam. 02:15:46 classic/osx. 02:15:57 Classic? ick 02:16:04 what makes you huh? about that, dt... 02:16:10 sbp has quit 02:16:24 well, get this, the cam i have is only meant for pc. but 3com released drivers for it on the mac. drivers which only work on classic. 02:16:34 and os x doesn't nternally recognize it. 02:16:45 so i have to load classic to use my flipping cam even though there's an osx version :) 02:16:54 Morbus: the grammar, for one thing 02:17:20 yuck... i have a 3Com HomeConnect (which I got for free) and a Phillipes wacko-purple-thingy 02:17:28 err Phillips 02:17:51 "mnemonic: to question someone is to QUERY, and you query them with a STRING of words. 02:17:57 " 02:18:06 yeah, i have the homeconnect too... 02:18:11 hmm 02:18:29 that works for you under os x? 02:18:39 Haven't tried it yet... 02:18:46 guess i'll start with the purpleythingy 02:18:51 hehe 02:18:51 it's called QUERY_STRING because it's the query part of the URL, as a string 02:19:09 right. ok. how about i remove that line entirely. 02:19:14 yeah 02:19:15 i'm trying to remain "userfriendly". 02:19:57 since it's irrelevant anyway, it doesn't matter :-) 02:20:06 the evolt crowd isn't totally geeky... yeah, exactly :) 02:23:00 er, "plummage"? itym "plumage" 02:23:28 bwaahahaha. http://www.msnbc.com/news/630583.asp 02:23:50 plume 02:23:50 n 1: a feather or cluster of feathers worn as an ornament 02:23:50 2: the light horny waterproof structure forming the external 02:23:50 covering of birds [syn: {feather}, {plumage}] 02:23:56 that passed the spellchecker... what's plummage? 02:24:46 something to do with plums? 02:24:55 * AaronSw is on 3186 of 10115 02:25:00 for his email 02:25:02 hehehe to both of you. 02:25:05 No definitions found for "plummage", perhaps you mean: 02:25:05 web1913: Plumage Plumbage 02:25:05 wn: plumage 02:25:26

Your PATH_INFO is:

02:25:33 uh, should be

02:25:39 gotcha 02:25:51 good eye, good eye ;) 02:26:54

.jpg" alt="wonderful plummage!" 02:27:00 look at the curls!

02:27:18 how does SSI make one into the other? :-) 02:27:40 dammit, you know, i was making sure i didn't make that mistake 02:27:57 hehe 02:28:07 or, trying, rather :) 02:30:37 hmm, maybe the alt attribute should be based on $PATH_INFO :-) 02:31:21 i do that on my live version, but i don't want to code to wrap on smaller browser widths 02:31:29 heh, I know - if you can stand having an extra text file for each, include ..$PATH_INFO.txt 02:31:47 ah, yeah, i guess that would work... 02:32:24 or, alternatively, another ssi that looks at the passed name and returns a single line from a larger db of descriptions :) 02:32:30 * AaronSw feels his way around the "imporved" stuffit website 02:32:39 i think that would be "part 2"... this is a larger article than normal for evolt 02:32:44 :) 02:33:00 that'd be a good "how to use conditionals" article... 02:33:06 exec look $PATH_INFO | cut -f 2- 02:33:27 exec look $PATH_INFO descriptions | cut -f 2- 02:33:31 rather 02:33:41 anyway, yes 02:33:48 i think i have that turned off here... 02:34:25 though it's lame, I think alt="image" is the best you can do simply 02:34:38 actually, i've never used exec to shellcmd, so i'm not sure. is that turned on by default? 02:35:05 I mean 02:35:34 yeah, i think we turned that off on the isp box due to possible security idicoy 02:35:40 idiocy, rather 02:35:42 * deltab nods 02:36:12 but the conditional thing would be easy to do... 02:36:21 hmm, would you want gallery pages indexed as "failure coming, I bet"? 02:36:31 ok, now we're getting anal 02:37:03 well, that was the point of the PATH_INFO thing, was it not? 02:37:12 hey, shuddup 02:38:05 hmm, I'm beginning to suspect this isn't too useful without being able to put descriptions on the page... 02:38:25 ok. i'm gonna submit this. i gotta get some other stuff done 02:38:30 okay 02:39:15 leave some expertise for the consultancy work :-) 02:39:15 thanks for all your help. very much appreciated. depending on how it's reacted to on evolt, i may do a part2. if evolt hates it, i'll bring it to apachetoday ;) 02:39:20 bwahahahaha... 02:39:25 haha 02:45:59 not yet public, but soon: http://www.evolt.org/article/Search_Engine_Friendly_SSI_Image_Gallery/20/15882/index.html 02:54:23 welp, i'm out. gotta take a shower and wind down by reading. 02:54:40 * AaronSw finds no OS X drivers... :( 02:54:48 for that 3com? 02:54:54 for either 02:55:00 Mac drivers for both, tho 02:55:03 and Linux, i think 02:55:25 yeah. thats what i found too. i emailed support bout it a while ago and they just told me to watch the mac page 02:55:32 we'll never see it though since its discontinued 02:55:57 anyways... ciao! 02:56:07 ciao 02:56:11 Morbus has quit 03:03:05 tav` has quit 03:04:03 tav has quit 03:45:32 sbp has joined #swhack 03:50:03 Hi sean 03:50:25 Still going thru email... 03:50:46 Now I'm about 550 messages behind... :-( 03:51:43 Dave Winer: """ 03:51:45 I'm going to say this three times so no one misses it. 03:51:45 1. If you use Windows, do not open enclosures to email messages. 03:51:46 2. If you use Windows, do not open enclosures to email messages. 03:51:46 3. If you use Windows, do not open enclosures to email messages. 03:51:49 """ 03:51:58 ... "Good luck and god bless the Internet." 03:52:30 Heh 03:52:49 Gotta run 03:53:29 that was fast 03:55:50 sbp has quit 04:38:46 Pat Hayes: "I also fixed the meta tags so it passes the W3C validator, and I earned a .gif merit badge." 05:20:15 AaronSw has quit 05:21:08 AaronSw has joined #swhack 05:26:55 Wow, timbl has sent me an email! I feel so appreciated! :-) 05:27:06 TimBL: "KUTGW with the semantic web!" 05:27:19 cool! 05:41:07 Poor Tim... 05:41:07 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 05:42:23 Ooh, and the message is archived too! I will live in fame forever. ;-) 07:34:26 deltab has quit 07:34:36 deltab has joined #swhack 09:22:59 AaronSw has quit 09:23:10 AaronSw has joined #swhack 09:32:00 AaronSw has quit 09:32:11 AaronSw has joined #swhack 10:07:45 AaronSw has quit 10:08:12 AaronSw has joined #swhack 11:12:22 tav has joined #swhack 11:28:03 Morbus has joined #swhack 11:47:20 Morbus has quit 11:55:49 AaronSw has quit 11:56:14 AaronSw has joined #swhack 13:12:50 AaronSw has quit 13:13:15 AaronSw has joined #swhack 13:41:51 AaronSw has quit 13:42:16 AaronSw has joined #swhack 14:04:43 Hmm, how'd we end up with this topic? I don't remember it... 14:06:17 From the unlogged logs: 14:06:19 *** Morbus (Morbus@s125.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined the channel 14:06:19 i desire conversation for 25 minutes. 14:06:19 sorry, only 10 minute and 30 minute units are available 14:06:19 *** Morbus has quit IRC (http://www.disobey.com/) 14:06:19 heh 14:07:29 its still his birthday? man. he's lucky. 14:54:36 Jeremy Carroll on the Model Theory: "I particularly liked the touch of section numbering from 0. 14:54:36 From the very first symbol in the table of contents it is clear that 14:54:36 this aims to be a serious mathematical document, rather than a 14:54:37 computer scientist's hack." 15:39:47 AaronSw has quit 15:40:17 AaronSw has joined #swhack 15:51:56 AaronSw has quit 15:53:01 AaronSw has joined #swhack 16:09:51 Pat Hayes: "Actually, I have a secret belief that the Web is always going to consist of kludge-towers, since it is always going to be designed by the biggest committee one can imagine. Maybe the right moral to draw is that as long as we have machines which are *just* smart enough to de-kludge our interfaces, kludges that usually work are better than waiting for the killer notation." 17:04:44 AaronSw has quit 17:05:07 AaronSw has joined #swhack 18:33:08 Morbus has joined #swhack 18:33:17 quick note: that stupid ssi article went up on evolt.org 18:41:48 Morbus has left #swhack 19:25:50 Morbus has joined #swhack 19:26:00 deltab, that article was linked on apachetoday :) 19:26:14 and they're interested in part 2 :) 19:34:24 you know, when you're around deltab, i was thinking about using mod_autoindex to supplement the image gallery - using rewrites and descripts./ 19:44:32 Morbus has left #swhack 20:04:28 deltab has quit 20:08:18 deltab has joined #swhack 21:14:22 AaronSw has quit 21:14:45 AaronSw has joined #swhack 22:00:03 sbp has joined #swhack 22:00:14 Aww, you missed my MusicBrainz lecture! 22:00:23 Bugger 22:00:34 OH crap, it's Thursday! I forgot. Is the class still on? 22:01:10 no, just ended 22:01:53 Aaaaaaargh! 22:02:17 Seems as if PTS might be back on... *sigh* 22:03:00 Perhaps we should set an end of the year dedline, or something 22:05:56 heh... did you see the page sandro posted? 22:06:05 http://www.w3.org/2001/03/identification-problem/ 22:06:13 yeah, that's it. ;-) 22:06:25 Morbus has joined #swhack 22:06:33 yes... 22:06:44 Morbus has quit 22:06:59 Morbus has joined #swhack 22:11:41 Pat Hayes on OS X: "Yep , its very sexy." 22:12:23 He he he 22:13:05 Did you see his last quote in the logs? 22:13:14 Nope 22:13:27