00:07:10 <logster> logster has joined #swhack
00:07:10 <niven.openprojects.net> topic is: Happy Birthday, Deltab!
00:07:10 <niven.openprojects.net> Users on #swhack: logster @sbp AaronSw deltab 
00:10:22 <sbp> sbp has quit
03:02:48 <sbp> sbp has joined #swhack
03:03:05 <sbp> Happy Birthday, Deltab!
03:03:08 <AaronSw> Bonjour.
03:03:12 <deltab> thanks
03:03:12 <sbp> Hi Aaron
03:03:16 <sbp> Does Alexa store images?
03:03:24 <AaronSw> Happy Birthdat, Deltab! :-)
03:03:27 <AaronSw> err birthday
03:03:39 <deltab> thanks
03:03:41 <AaronSw> images: yes... some, at least
03:04:34 <sbp> do you think you could try to grab some from the archives for me?
03:04:46 <sbp> deltab: np. Hope you get lots of cool presents...
03:04:51 <AaronSw> I can try.
03:05:55 <sbp> thanks. There's a site that has gone down with lots of useful information... it's been up for years, but now there's about a 50% chance of it surviving
03:05:56 <deltab> got myself one on Friday: an Acorn-based Internet TV set-top box
03:06:09 <deltab> only £20 from toys r us
03:06:29 <AaronSw> Neat, do you like it?
03:06:59 <deltab> haven't gotten around to setting it up yet
03:08:18 <sbp> Well, happy brithday anyway... :-)
03:08:30 <AaronSw> yeah, sounds pretty neat
03:11:25 <AaronSw> Calling sbp: please stop by #validator
03:34:44 <AaronSw> "I used to be a fan of graphical programming languages until I tried to use them. ", http://wmf.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader$5698
03:35:04 <sbp> heh!
03:36:05 <AaronSw> Yay, xena is back!
03:36:42 <sbp> where? where?
03:36:50 <AaronSw> On EspraNet
03:36:56 <sbp> Uh...
03:37:15 <AaronSw> irc.espra.net
03:37:47 <AaronSw> Seen on another channel:
03:37:48 <AaronSw> > I really hate X-Chat.
03:37:48 <AaronSw> > it leaks memory like a crappy bathtub
03:37:48 <AaronSw> > but, I use it anyway.
03:37:48 <AaronSw> > actually, fuck that.
03:37:48 <AaronSw> *** x has quit IRC (Client Exiting)
03:37:49 <AaronSw> *** x has joined the channel
03:37:51 <AaronSw> > ok. better
03:37:55 <AaronSw> > no it's not.
03:37:56 <AaronSw> *** x has quit IRC (Leaving)
03:38:24 <sbp> lol!
03:39:16 <AaronSw> names changed to protect...well, i don't know why
04:01:15 <AaronSw> Hmm, in SOAP 1.2 the SOAP doesn't stand for anything.
04:01:31 <AaronSw> Stupid Ogre Ape People?
04:01:41 <AaronSw> Stop Overloading Accessible Ports?
04:02:26 <sbp> So, over a pie?
04:03:09 <AaronSw> Such Octane About Protocols...
04:04:01 <sbp> Silly Olga Ate Papers
04:10:20 <AaronSw> Danbri: "I don't like the current example (Van/Car/etc) as a way of introducing and
04:10:21 <AaronSw> explaining domain and range; it doesn't really help."
04:11:14 <sbp> It was fine for me, but I guess there could be millions of potential examples
04:17:15 <sbp> is pr0n somehow related to the movie Tron?
04:17:38 <AaronSw> Umm, no.
04:47:30 <sbp> sbp has quit
15:36:34 <sbp> sbp has joined #swhack
15:39:46 <sbp> sbp has quit
17:09:33 <irc.openprojects.net> Disconnected from irc.openprojects.net (Connection reset by peer)
17:09:44 <logster> logster has joined #swhack
17:09:44 <niven.openprojects.net> topic is: Happy Birthday, Deltab!
17:09:44 <niven.openprojects.net> Users on #swhack: logster AaronSw deltab 
17:30:39 <sbp> sbp has joined #swhack
17:31:52 <sbp> Hello?
17:31:57 <sbp> Stu is here
17:32:22 <AaronSw> Hi Stu!
17:32:24 <sbp> He says that he found out how to do that Mac thing, and thanks for the info.
17:32:32 <AaronSw> Cool.
17:32:35 <AaronSw> No problem.
17:32:49 <sbp> sbp is now known as Stubie
17:33:16 <Stubie> Hi Aaron
17:33:23 <AaronSw> Hi Stubie
17:33:25 <AaronSw> How's it going?
17:33:39 <Stubie> I found the updating indexing
17:33:46 <Stubie> Finally
17:33:51 <AaronSw> Ahh, cool. Was it that hard?
17:34:18 <Stubie> I figured out how to make the computer talk
17:34:37 <AaronSw> Neato -- that's a lot of fun.
17:34:52 <Stubie> Well I did not look in the the most obvious place,D'oh
17:34:55 <AaronSw> * AaronSw has memories of school computers being hijacked to say rude things...
17:35:18 <Stubie> He he he, I know he he
17:35:57 <Stubie> When ever anything goes wrong, Oh fuck
17:36:13 <Stubie> Stuart language
17:37:17 <AaronSw> Heh
17:37:33 <AaronSw> Mac OS X has speech recognition, which is really cool.
17:37:44 <AaronSw> You can program it to do things when it here's certain words.
17:37:44 <Stubie> What do you really think of Sean, weird isn't he
17:37:53 <AaronSw> s/here/hear/
17:37:56 <AaronSw> Quite weird!
17:38:08 <Stubie> I can get it to open programs for me
17:38:26 <AaronSw> Cool.
17:38:46 <AaronSw> Mac OS X has scriptable grammars, which look really fun... haven't gotten into those yet.
17:38:54 <AaronSw> So where do you know Sean from?
17:39:19 <Stubie> Yes I completely agree, he has just read your response and in horror 
17:40:06 <Stubie> I know him from school, we weren't friends to begin with, I saw him as an enermy
17:40:24 <AaronSw> Sean, you're weird in a good way! ;-)
17:40:34 <Stubie> I apologize????? fior the spellingg
17:40:39 <AaronSw> * AaronSw tends to end up with lots of weird people... they're much more interesting
17:40:46 <AaronSw> ahh, no worries -- no one can spell on IRC.
17:41:07 <Stubie> I completely agree that means I am wired
17:41:20 <Stubie> I make bombs and start fires
17:41:49 <AaronSw> Ahh, cool!
17:41:55 <Stubie> Stubie is now known as sbp
17:41:59 <sbp> he does, it's true
17:42:02 <sbp> sbp is now known as Stubie
17:42:06 <AaronSw> Heh!
17:42:17 <AaronSw> * AaronSw loves this back-and-forth game.
17:42:51 <AaronSw> I have a friend who's from Belgium, he tells me in the Belgium Boy Scouts they add bombs to RC cars and drive them around and blow them up.
17:43:00 <Stubie> Yes he likes to think he's good and smart
17:43:12 <AaronSw> Sean, I assume?
17:43:16 <Stubie> Coll!!!
17:43:22 <AaronSw> Heh.
17:43:31 <Stubie> opps that should be Cool
17:43:57 <Stubie> It is Sean's key board, it is not as good as the mac
17:44:03 <AaronSw> Yeah, I know. :-)
17:44:17 <AaronSw> I don't know how Sean puts up with it...
17:44:47 <Stubie> We were just watching a girl
17:44:59 <AaronSw> Out the window or something?
17:45:01 <AaronSw> Bwm: "I so love that whooshing sound as something passes completely over my head :("
17:45:06 <AaronSw> Heh.
17:45:16 <Stubie> Stubie is now known as sbp
17:45:17 <sbp> lol
17:45:20 <sbp> sbp is now known as Stubie
17:45:45 <Stubie> sorry to nivk the keyboard bak, but we have to go and get dinner
17:45:55 <AaronSw> nivk?
17:46:06 <AaronSw> So, Stubie, did you come to blow up Sean's apartment?
17:46:19 <Stubie> sbp: aargh, the bloody thing wont let us change nicks back
17:46:34 <Stubie> no, he blows up miscellaneous objects, I'll tell you about it later
17:46:44 <AaronSw> Heh.
17:46:44 <Stubie> me is sbp talking now
17:46:50 <Stubie> gotta run!
17:46:52 <AaronSw> Yes, I noticed.
17:46:54 <AaronSw> Bye.
17:46:56 <Stubie> c'ya
17:46:59 <Stubie> Stubie has quit
19:08:00 <AaronSw> """ I watched only a few dozen players, but my unscientific observations jibed with the results of a classic playground study conducted in 1976 by Janet Lever, a sociologist. The fifth-grade boys she observed often interrupted their games to argue about rules, but the argument never lasted more than seven minutes, and the game always resumed. The girls argued less, but when they did, the game usually ended. """, http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/05
19:08:20 <AaronSw> Dave Winer: Men do art and war (they're the same thing) and women do infrastructure.
19:08:53 <AaronSw> Perhaps by infrastructure he means maintenance...
19:09:07 <AaronSw> taking care of children, custodians of our parks and libraries, etc.
19:10:13 <AaronSw> Ooh, here we go:
19:10:15 <AaronSw> """''Just as violent video games were pouring into American homes on the crest of the personal computer wave, juvenile violence began to plummet,'' said Lawrence Sherman, a criminologist at the University of Pennsylvania. ''Juvenile murder charges dropped by about two-thirds from 1993 to the end of the decade and show no signs of going back up. The rate of violence in schools hasn't increased, either -- it just gets more media coverage. If video
19:10:20 <AaronSw> Now there's something.
19:11:39 <AaronSw> That's from the same article.
19:38:52 <Stubie> Stubie has joined #swhack
19:39:08 <Stubie> Stubie is now known as sbp
19:39:15 <AaronSw> Hi Stubie.
19:39:20 <AaronSw> :-)
19:39:35 <tav> tav has joined #swhack
19:40:25 <AaronSw> I love CNN-speak for commercials:
19:40:33 <AaronSw> <CC> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
19:40:33 <AaronSw> <CC> ppp@p
19:40:38 <sbp> It's Sean now, but Stu is still here
19:40:52 <AaronSw> Oh, haven't gotten rid of him yet?
19:40:56 <sbp> Nah, as if
19:41:27 <AaronSw> How are things? Blow up anything interesting?
19:41:49 <sbp> not yet, I think Stu's given up that stuff, a couple of years ago
19:43:23 <sbp> sbp is now known as Stubie
19:43:53 <Stubie> Sean is trying to be John Lennon
19:43:53 <AaronSw> Wolfram: "if people actually start to understand what I've figured out, then I think I'll be forced to be a very famous scientist. I have mixed feelings about that. But I think it's important to the ideas that I don't try to avoid it too much." Heh!
19:43:57 <AaronSw> How so?
19:44:05 <AaronSw> * AaronSw is listening to the Beatles now
19:44:40 <Stubie> Hair wise
19:44:47 <Stubie> long and unclear
19:44:54 <Stubie> unclean
19:44:58 <Stubie> opps
19:45:25 <AaronSw> Heh.
19:45:41 <Stubie> Heh Heh
19:45:50 <Stubie> he he he 
19:46:26 <AaronSw> And would you say you're more of a Ringo Starr?
19:46:58 <Stubie> that stubie should be stube the other way strange
19:47:07 <Stubie> Is that a compliment
19:47:22 <Stubie> I don't play the drums
19:47:52 <AaronSw> No, I mean hair-wise
19:48:00 <Stubie> I am more of Paul Mcartney
19:48:14 <Stubie> No I have clean and in order hair
19:48:36 <AaronSw> Hmm.
19:48:58 <Stubie> ya I see wht you mean
19:49:06 <Stubie> in order?????
19:49:24 <Stubie> hmm what is in ordr????
19:49:45 <AaronSw> You hair?
19:49:57 <AaronSw> You're the one who said it.
19:49:59 <Stubie> or in your language order
19:50:04 <AaronSw> Huh?
19:51:19 <Stubie> Huh??????????????????????I don't know I lost it along time ago hence the bomb making
19:51:29 <Stubie> * Stubie wrestles the keyboard
19:51:32 <Stubie> Stubie is now known as sbp
19:51:53 <AaronSw> Wolfram: "It turned out that the very fact that I could figure out how to build all the complexity of Mathematica from quite simple "primitives" was an important inspiration." Huh? Mathematica is the antithesis of primitives!
19:51:56 <sbp> Stu seems to have all the communicative capicity of a two year old
19:52:03 <sbp> no offence
19:52:10 <sbp> * sbp fears a kick from Stu
19:52:23 <sbp> (Stu says "Dam straight")
19:52:28 <sbp> s/Dam/Damn
19:52:41 <AaronSw> Heh.
19:52:52 <AaronSw> Using IRC takes some time to get used to.
19:53:01 <sbp> * sbp realises that he has a telecon scheduled, and doesn't know whether to kick Stu out, or skip the call (or both)
19:53:17 <AaronSw> What is it today? PF?
19:53:29 <sbp> Yep. Will you be there? If so, I'll come on it too
19:53:38 <sbp> Keep you company
19:53:46 <AaronSw> No, I don't think I'll make it today.
19:53:52 <sbp> O.K.
19:54:39 <AaronSw> Any idea where danbri went? We were going to work on the DC-Arch page today...
19:54:47 <sbp> I've no idea where he is
19:55:24 <sbp> Gotta run
19:55:25 <sbp> c'ya!
19:55:27 <sbp> sbp has quit
19:55:27 <AaronSw> C'ya
20:38:02 <AaronSw> Me: I think this is a bit of a kludge.
20:38:02 <AaronSw> Pat: Not just a bit, but a kludge, whole and entire. Thanks for pointing it out, though.
20:48:47 <AaronSw> Wolfram: "I'm particularly hoping that a lot of people early in their careers will read A New Kind of Science and get involved with the ideas it describes."
20:48:52 <AaronSw>  - http://www.wolframscience.com/qanda/
21:11:51 <AaronSw> LOL, someone wrote to www-tag proposing </> as the "universal end tag"!
21:33:32 <tav> tav is now known as tav`
22:11:35 <sbp> sbp has joined #swhack
22:15:56 <Morbus> Morbus has joined #swhack
22:17:06 <Morbus> Morbus has quit
22:17:19 <sbp> sbp has quit
22:35:18 <Morbus> Morbus has joined #swhack
22:35:33 <AaronSw> hi there
22:35:47 <Morbus> good day, Aaron. how goes it?
22:36:07 <AaronSw> Alright. Prepapring for the Jewish High Holidays which begin tonight.
22:36:28 <Morbus> what's that all about?
22:36:45 <AaronSw> It's the Jewish New Year.
22:36:46 <Morbus> i am trying to catch up on all my email
22:36:57 <AaronSw> yeah, I was too, but gave up
22:37:55 <Morbus> heheh... i hear ya. basically, i've decided to treat email as one of the sections of disobey. as such, every monday, that's the "section" i work on
22:38:20 <AaronSw> Ahh, I've set it up so I do it on Sundays, but after my trip I'm 300 messages behind. :-(
22:38:44 <Morbus> ooH. not good.
22:39:07 <Morbus> i'm doing good so far. i answered a bunch this morning - right now I only have about 80 left. i answer them at work too (but don't tell, shshHHh!) 
22:39:15 <AaronSw> :-)
22:39:33 <Morbus> new version of macsatellite out too. got it dl'd, don't know how well it works though
22:39:49 <AaronSw> Ahh, cool -- i've been pretty happy with the current one.
22:40:03 <AaronSw> Especially after I realized that if I reset the file types I could get faster downloads!
22:40:09 <Morbus> same here, but i love have the latest and greatest ;)
22:40:15 <Morbus> hmm?
22:40:30 <AaronSw> It lets you do simultaneous downloads if you share > 25 files.
22:40:52 <AaronSw> I have a collection of a hundred or so, but AG wasn't seeing them because they were iTunes creator coded
22:41:08 <AaronSw> So I used a nifty perl script and the Devtools software to reset the codes on them
22:41:11 <AaronSw> and now I can download 10 files at once.
22:42:05 <Morbus> ah. i use "xFiles" to do that. but, from what i know too, it doesn't support longfilenames under OSX, so anything over the Classic limit shows up as Name-The F#1243423 or something similar.
22:42:24 <AaronSw> Ouch.
22:42:44 <Morbus> yeah, which is hella annoying. i'm sharing 1200 files, but only about 300 are readbale.
22:43:00 <AaronSw> Err, why?
22:43:29 <Morbus> why what? well, readable in the sense of people searching and downloading them.
22:43:31 <AaronSw> MacSatellite does some pretty weird truncation on downloaded, files, but uploaded ones should be fine...
22:43:43 <AaronSw> readable: ahh -- you need ID3 tags, then ;-)
22:43:55 <Morbus> cos the site will show the Classic names only - 
22:44:05 <Morbus> i have id3's on all of them actually.
22:44:10 <Morbus> but it doesn't read those - just the filenames.
22:46:22 <AaronSw> Really? Odd, i thought it did...
22:47:43 <Morbus> i'm trying to get you an example, but i'm leeching something so my connection is slow
22:49:29 <Morbus> ah well. i'll try later
22:55:26 <Morbus> Morbus has quit
22:57:20 <Morbus> Morbus has joined #swhack
22:57:37 <AaronSw> wb
22:57:40 <AaronSw> :-)
22:57:56 <Morbus> if you use iTunes, do you experience random hard freezes every so often?
22:57:57 <AaronSw> sucky ISP? ;-)
22:58:08 <AaronSw> freezes: nope
22:58:12 <Morbus> heheh. no ;)
22:58:34 <Morbus> odd. sometimes when i have a lot of shit open at once and itunes playing, i'll get hard freezes needing reboot
22:59:01 <AaronSw> weird... never had that
22:59:07 <AaronSw> altho i mostly us QT Player now
22:59:51 <Morbus> bah. 
23:00:06 <Morbus> there's a port of mpg123 for os x now. i wonder if i can do my stupid "now listneing" thing with that
23:00:16 <Morbus> and i want to do a stupid perl/eudora random sig changer
23:01:06 <AaronSw> You should talk to jang (#rdfig) he has done both
23:01:19 <AaronSw> (web-based, of course)
23:01:27 <AaronSw> ioctl.org for links
23:03:45 <Morbus> both are up there? i'll have to check it out.
23:04:20 <AaronSw> yep
23:05:01 <AaronSw> http://tribble.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/~cmjg/juke/ 
23:05:14 <AaronSw> http://ioctl.org/jan/sig-submit
23:05:44 <Morbus> is his pae supposed to work in ie 5.1 for OS X? it's all screwy on my copy.
23:05:53 <AaronSw> yeah, mine too
23:06:11 <AaronSw> never bothered to follow up on it.
23:07:37 <Morbus> aaron, does he provide the source to his randomizer? i want to hook it into eudora.
23:07:52 <AaronSw> Not that I know of... but I'm sure you can mail him and get it.
23:08:01 <Morbus> ah.
23:08:02 <AaronSw> He's only as scary as you are...
23:08:06 <AaronSw> :-)
23:08:43 <Morbus> bwahahah. i'm not scary? am i?
23:09:10 <AaronSw> Nah...just your website is. ;-)
23:10:04 <Morbus> hehehe. my website is not scary! it's like homecooking.
23:10:08 <AaronSw> heh.
23:10:10 <AaronSw> Gotta run... c'ya Thursday.
23:10:32 <AaronSw> err, Wednesday nite, probably
23:11:03 <AaronSw> bye
23:12:34 <Morbus> yup. ciao
23:22:18 <Morbus> Morbus has quit
23:22:37 <Morbus> Morbus has joined #swhack