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Sean chats there. 00:37:37 Users on #swhack: logster Morbus tav AaronSw deltab 00:37:45 replay for loggy: 00:37:49 aww, shoot 00:37:49 heh. is that off your machine? 00:37:49 my server 00:37:49 which is in NY :-( 00:37:50 oh poo. 00:37:50 they seem to be having some internet problems there 00:37:52 i heard a bunch of t3's were down in that area. 00:37:54 i wouldn't be surprised 00:37:56 I doubt the isp contracts cover acts of terrorism 00:37:58 i doubt it. or else they took down the server to install carnivore 00:38:00 heh! 00:38:02 :) 00:38:04 Took me like an hour to get into AG, this morning... but once i did, it rocked! 00:38:06 yeah !!! 00:38:08 now i've been disconnected. :-( 00:38:10 i was like that too. i tried the first version, tried hard, and gave up and said it swucked 00:38:12 second version came out, i perservered and now i love the damn thing 00:38:14 whatever you do, don't drag and drop over it in os x ;) 00:38:16 Oh? 00:38:18 immediate crash 00:38:20 so don't place it anywhere near the dock. it must have taken me about three dozen crashes 'fore i got smart. 00:38:22 heh 00:38:24 gotta run... dinner 00:38:26 Notice: A: http://www.digitalcity.jst.go.jp/meeting/ from jhendler 00:38:28 Notice: titled item A 00:38:30 Notice: commented item A 00:38:32 back 00:38:34 what'd ya have? 00:38:36 pizza 00:38:38 Hmm, MacSatellite should have a "keep trying to conenct" feature... 00:38:40 Is there a newer version out? 00:38:42 yay, server's back 00:50:59 welp, there is a newer version with that feautre, i think. according to the version tracker. 00:51:06 i think it just came out recently. 1.2 00:51:27 hey, i heard somewhere that any shell/bsd script you have in os x, you can add a .command to it and have it runnable via a doubleclick 00:51:33 i'm gonna try it on ampheta a little later tonight 00:52:32 cool 00:52:41 if the vt isn't offering the macsatellite 1.2 (it wasn't this morning), lemme know and i'll email it to yo 00:52:50 I think I have 1.2... i remember seeing something about this feature in release notes 00:55:11 yeah. you probably do then. i think it does timeout eventually. i'm impatient though 00:55:54 it timesout really quickly, tho... 01:01:25 whoo. now i get to code perl 01:05:33 tav told me that perl was below me even talking about, so i won't. ;-) 01:05:48 man oh man. i don't even know why i come here 01:09:45 I don't think it's a very good tactic, but that's what he said they taught him in pyAdvocacy 01:10:10 bwahahah. i'm all for a little bit of advocacy, but i'd rather judge the result. 01:12:22 hmz, can you mail me macsatellite 1.2? 01:12:27 yuppers 01:12:30 whataddy? 01:12:49 me@aaronsw.com 01:19:10 on its way 01:19:20 thanks 01:20:04 are photos written width x height 01:20:38 i dunno. i always screw that too. think screen res. 01:20:39 or the other way around? 01:20:47 yeah, wxh. 640x480 01:21:16 ok, thanks 01:26:09 Hmmz, stuffit says your file is bad 01:29:00 Great, and now it's gone and deleted it... 01:29:34 oh joy. 01:29:50 lemme throw it publically here and you can grab it off apache 01:29:55 ok, thanks 01:30:39 try 63.173.138.120 01:31:37 cool 01:32:27 yeah, that's me. 01:32:31 now stop pokng around 01:32:39 you and you're nosy apache logs! 01:33:02 heheh, tail -f. i track j0000! 01:35:02 hmz, download seems to have stalled 01:35:33 wham, and Morbus falls off the face of the Earth... right in the middle of my download :-( 01:36:03 Morbus has quit 01:42:45 sbp has joined #swhack 01:49:59 Hi sbp 01:49:59 Hi Aaron 01:49:59 aww, shoot 01:49:59 loggy's dead again 01:49:59 aw... 01:49:59 the net connection in ny keeps going up and down tonight 01:49:59 logster, hello? 01:49:59 Disconnected from irc.openprojects.net (ERROR :Closing Link: logster[xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net] by forward.openprojects.net (Ping timeout for logster[xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net])) 01:50:05 logster has joined #swhack 01:50:05 topic is: Join #swhack. Sean chats there. 01:50:05 Users on #swhack: logster sbp tav deltab AaronSw 01:50:56 replay for logster: 01:50:58 did you fix n3tordf? 01:50:59 neat, mentions the n3tordf form, and the Wiki (I presume RDFWiki): http://www.cs.umd.edu/~hendler/CMSC498x/asst1.html 01:50:59 :-) 01:50:59 it wasn't broken! 01:50:59 no, not rdfwiki 01:51:00 really? 01:51:02 jhendler set up a class wiki 01:51:04 Yeah, RDFWiki? 01:51:06 i told him about rdfwiki but couldn't find a pointer 01:51:08 he said he didn't want to teach the class in triples 01:51:10 Heh 01:54:27 grr! why is imagemagick broken 01:54:51 Shame that I missed JimH's class 01:54:51 I wonder if they'll do RDF/SW on my course? Man, that'll be funny 01:54:59 Heh! 01:55:09 There's prolog in my math textbook -- that was funny. 01:55:20 He he he 01:56:37 Hmm... if we could get a class going, maybe we could entice some people to come and talk here 01:57:03 Like who? 02:10:09 We've already got all the good lecturers, here 02:10:47 The usual W3C people 02:10:58 Maybe I could get Eric to give a keynote :-) 02:11:08 Who would attend this class? 02:11:16 Well, anyone doing AI 02:11:22 Like, for example, me 02:11:48 except I probably wouldn't be able to get there. Oh, the irony! I'd crawl 02:12:46 * sbp notes that people are going to be running out of titles for SW papers soon 02:12:51 Heh heh. 02:12:57 Ooh, how about, "SW: WTF?" 02:14:38 "SW4U" 02:14:47 "SW+U" 02:14:58 Doesn't have as many swears... 02:15:45 How about a guide to producing SW systems on WinMe and Unix? 02:15:52 "Me, U, and the SW" 02:16:59 "DAML+OIL: Not yet mined by Bush" 02:17:39 "SWuckit" 02:18:07 "How to SWear" 02:18:41 I'm thinking SWAG should release a promotional video... 02:18:44 "RDF? SWanky" 02:18:54 "The Spy who SWAGged Me"? 02:19:05 lol 02:21:06 "I'm dirty right to the RDF Core, baby" 02:22:40 lol 02:24:25 You know, when they rename RDF IG the SWIG, the headlines will be: 02:24:35 "W3C Puts SWIG to Community's SWAG" 02:25:01 * sbp wondered when that one would be spouted... 02:25:38 We have RDF, SWIG, SWAG, SWIPT, SWEO, DAML... 02:25:48 SWAD 02:25:53 Brownie points if you can put them all in a sentence 02:26:36 There are many acronyms that pertain to Semantic Web related things, including RDF, SWIG, SWAG, SWIPT, SWEO, DAML, and SAWD 02:26:40 There are many acronyms that pertain to Semantic Web related things, including RDF, SWIG, SWAG, SWIPT, SWEO, DAML, and SWAD 02:26:56 * sbp collects his brownie points 02:27:14 Oh, come on -- a funny sentence! 02:27:48 well, that's assez funny 02:28:24 assez? 02:28:37 Don't worry about it... 02:28:38 Like, that's as unfunny as an arse? 02:29:03 I'll have you know, many of the arses that I've seen are very... oops, I've said too much 02:43:31 Ego gratification: 02:43:35 gee, a lot of stuff in your papers by this Berners-Lee guy, he must be a pretty smart cookie :-> 02:43:40 btw, this semanticweb-long piece is the best description of the "layer cake" I've seen yet - has Tim seen it? 02:43:49 this SW long paper is really good! I think I'll only steal a little so you can publish it somewhere better later - needs a little editing, and to remove a few of the "I"s to make it more general, but heck of a nice writing job - needs to be seen 02:44:11 And funny: 02:44:28 favorite example [from the Sci-Am piece]: Get me the phone number of everyone who ordered more than 1,000 widgets and was arrested in the last 6 months." 02:44:34 And back to ego: 02:45:17 actually, I've written quite a lot - and w/a lot of people - the ability to make complex ideas simple is very hard -- you've definitely got the knack. you can quote me on that! 03:02:38 Morbus has joined #swhack 03:02:44 welcome back! 03:02:54 sigh. i'm just not having a good day 03:03:00 heh. thanks ;) 03:03:19 * AaronSw picks up his download again 03:03:34 diff ip. you should be able to use the name too 03:03:45 yeah, i already started 03:03:50 thank goodness for 206! 03:04:18 k. i think, actually, that you caused my crash earlier ... i've noticed some crazy stuff when doing more uploading then downloading on usb modems. 03:04:20 206? 03:04:30 Sure, blame it on me. 03:04:31 206 Partial Content 03:04:38 lets me pick up my download where i left off 03:04:44 ah 03:05:00 Go Apache! 03:05:07 :) 03:06:10 Ooh, new icon! 03:06:36 yah :) 03:06:51 thanks, this is much nicer 03:07:06 np. for some reason, its not available on versiontracker any more 03:07:07 Morbus has left #swhack 03:07:39 Morbus has joined #swhack 03:07:44 bwahaha. man, i suck so hardcore 03:07:56 i wanna put on a corky hat 03:08:04 not avail: Yeah, the guy's site went down 03:08:17 well, hell, i should mirror it on disobey then 03:09:16 yeah! 03:19:08 scary: http://www.catseye.mb.ca/esoteric/mdpn/index.html 03:19:57 oh, geez 03:20:50 Befunge is weird... it's so easy to learn, but it looks *really* scary 03:20:57 yeah, no kidding 03:21:03 And it's quite fun to program; there are some really weird challenges 03:21:29 Morbus has quit 03:21:48 there goes morbus, again 03:30:32 * sbp feels like creating a language 03:30:48 * sbp gives in immediately, too difficult 03:34:10 Wow! This is how I was going to comment my "tag:" befunge program: http://kotisivu.mtv3.fi/oma/quux/qsort.html 03:34:43 * AaronSw fights with Oracle and Tcl... 03:34:58 heh, some struggle 03:35:11 it's been taking me a long time, but I think I've got it now... 03:35:27 That commenting is really cool. 03:35:58 Good, isn't it? But now I'll never be able to prove that I thought of the same thing independantly 03:36:07 Still, who cares? I'm going to do it anyway 03:36:14 Heh 03:36:17 If I can remember how my code works, which is less than likely 03:36:19 "//:ptth"v > v >$$$v 03:36:20 >,# :# _$>0~0\>:25*-#v_^>\8 p1+:v 03:36:20 @ > v^ < 03:36:20 ^_v#--1*5 9:g8:+1$< > ^ >3":"v 03:36:20 > v > :,^ < 03:36:20 $v < < < 03:36:22 $>$"/"> , 1 + :8g:59*-#v_^ 03:36:24 ^_^#-*2*82: <_^# -+2*87:< 03:36:44 I abbreviated it quite a lot... here's an earlier version:- 03:36:55 v >:25*-#v_>$$$v 03:36:55 > v0 03:36:55 >"//:ptth">,# :# _$>0~0\:25*-#v_@> \9p1+:v 03:36:55 @ > v^ < 03:36:55 ^_v#--1*5 9:g9:+1$<> ^> >:9g:78*2+-#v_v 03:36:56 > v > :,^ <^ +1$< 03:36:58 $v < < < ^ < 03:37:00 $>$"/"> , 1 + :9g:59*-#v_^ 03:37:02 ^_^#-*2*82: <_^# -+2*87:< 03:38:00 I noticed how I was reusing the same :25*-#v bit of code, and thought I'd just put a pointer in before it 03:38:45 hmm 03:38:49 shoot, i keep screwing up! 03:39:26 Gotta run 03:39:37 c'ya 03:42:28 sbp has quit 07:09:08 deltab has quit 07:09:08 tav has quit 07:09:08 AaronSw has quit 07:09:14 Disconnected from irc.openprojects.net (Connection reset by peer) 07:09:24 logster has joined #swhack 07:09:24 topic is: Join #swhack. 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Neat. 20:31:27 :) 20:32:29 Maybe you can go like Ximian and create open-source nagware. ;-) 20:33:09 hehehe... i could add banners into the html source code ... so few pepopel customize it 20:33:21 Exactly, smart people get it for free! 20:35:08 hehe. there ya go 20:42:47 Morbus has left #swhack 22:00:35 sbp has joined #swhack 22:00:58 hello there 22:01:04 Hi Aaron 22:01:21 [ foaf:name "Sean B. Palmer"; :wrote "0v_^#-3:+1,,\"> \"< -\n >\"<\" >,~:25#$*^\n >\".\",@^ _^#<" ] . 22:01:36 Oh, shoot. 22:01:42 I wonder if that's the shortest possible RDF/SW program 22:01:45 What does this one do? 22:01:55 * sbp pastes it in in non-N3 form 22:01:55 0v_^#-3:+1,,"> "< - 22:01:56 >"<" >,~:25#$*^ 22:01:56 >".",@^ _^#< 22:02:14 this one simply takes in three URIs from input, and outputs an N3 triple 22:02:26 not the most stunning program ever... 22:02:38 but it 22:02:46 's short enough to put in a signature 22:02:57 Heh! 22:03:15 took ages to compress it that small 22:03:15 * AaronSw wonders if he should learn befunge-93 just to go around scaring people. 22:03:37 Imagine cwm in befunge-93! 22:03:54 yeah, you can jump out at people, and instead of saying "boo!", just ask them if they're programmers, and if so, shove a b93 program at them, and run off laughing 22:04:06 CWM in b93: it would probably make more sense 22:04:13 * AaronSw files that in his Halloween decorations list 22:04:20 :-) 22:04:55 Interesting: 22:05:01 """I won't be working on this much, as my time is currently consumed by my active 22:05:01 participation in the "Bay Area Gotterdammerung, Job Search, and Chili-Cookoff"""" 22:05:08 Poor excuse. ;-) 22:05:17 where from? what context? 22:05:35 - http://www.opennsd.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=00001I&topic_id=1&topic=OpenNSD 22:05:55 Heh: 22:05:59 """1/ put pictures in the right directory 22:06:00 2/ add metadata using java -jar rdfpic.jar /* 22:06:00 3/ generate thumbnails (in png) and index file[s] using a single script, 22:06:00 genepage 22:06:00 And if I'm lazy I just skip 2, but it is bad.""" 22:06:08 mid:Pine.GSO.4.33.0109150000080.28441-100000@tarantula.inria.fr 22:06:10 Hmm... 22:06:48 Guess this came too late for DanC: 22:06:54 """CALL 1-877-322-9438 TO CHECK STATUS OF 22:06:54 ALL MAJOR U.S. AIRPORTS, AIRPORT SECURITY POLICIES AND 22:06:54 FAA TRAVEL BRIEFINGS""" 22:07:01 * sbp thinks he might have found a way to compress it even more 22:07:26 * sbp was mistaken 22:08:47 it's actually quite a sophisticated little deeley, for what it does, because the b93 input method is (as you would expect) really strange. It doesn't take in a string and put it in a variable 22:08:51 that would be too easy! 22:09:12 I had trouble believing it could take input 22:09:23 You come up to the input character, and you have to keep putting the pointer over that character to get each character... aaargh! 22:09:41 heheh 22:09:42 Here, I'll try to find an interpreter for you... 22:10:13 And you thought Python's whitespace requirements were bad! 22:10:23 yeah... 22:10:52 there doesn't seem to be an interpreter for the Mac: http://www.catseye.mb.ca/esoteric/befunge/93/index.html 22:11:03