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01:52:00 <benford.openprojects.net> Users on #swhack: logster @sbp tav` deltab AaronSw 
01:53:06 <sbp> Cool: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-palmer-esl-uri-00.txt
01:53:41 <sbp> My first Internet Draft :-)
01:57:43 <sbp> Steps now: circulate to uri@w3.org, and interested parties to solicit feedback
01:57:57 <AaronSw> Neato!
01:57:59 <sbp> then, prepare a new Internet Draft
01:58:03 <sbp> Oh, hi Aaron
01:58:08 <AaronSw> Heh
01:58:28 <sbp> then, hopefully, on to RFC... if the scheme proves useful
01:58:37 <AaronSw> Neat thing I didn't know before... Xena's available via HTTP:
01:58:48 <AaronSw> http://esp.espnow.com/x_ircbot/render?command=e%20sbp&username=sbp
01:58:53 <sbp> cool
02:00:29 <AaronSw> Ooh, an RFC... I'll have to get my name on it somehow. ;-)
02:00:37 <sbp> * sbp was one of 5 authors to publish Internet Drafts on "that" day... I of course sent it before the events
02:00:40 <sbp> Heh
02:00:57 <AaronSw> Another neat thing I didn't know before: CNN broadcasts closed captions via IRC.
02:01:35 <sbp> another interesting Internet Draft: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-stime-ntpauth-02.txt
02:01:39 <sbp> where?
02:01:46 <deltab> yeah, look for user CC on chat.cnn.com
02:01:56 <AaronSw> irc://chat.cnn.com/CNN_Newsfeed
02:03:05 <AaronSw> It's a bit annoying tho since one of the anchors is named Aaron, and my chat client keeps on beeping, thinking it's for me.
02:03:47 <deltab> you mean that isn't you? :-)
02:04:08 <AaronSw> Well, it is, but I already hear them in my headset.
02:04:29 <sbp> lol
02:04:49 <AaronSw> Hmm: *** sbp has the language filter enabled.
02:05:10 <AaronSw> It's a wacky IRC server
02:05:47 <sbp> ?
02:05:59 <AaronSw> The CNN server.
02:06:46 <AaronSw> New ISP? <AaronSw> Eh? *** sbp is sean@195.147.216.sc39= (Sean B. Palmer)
02:09:23 <sbp> not according to this serve
02:09:25 <sbp> r
02:09:34 <sbp> same as usual
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02:13:38 <AaronSw> hi morbus
02:14:13 <Morbus> hey there, aaron, how's life?
02:14:26 <AaronSw> OK, you?
02:14:46 <Morbus> eh. as well as can be :)
02:15:31 <Morbus> just reading some magazines
02:15:39 <Morbus> decided to learn java
02:15:55 <AaronSw> Java? come on, go for Python!
02:16:15 <Morbus> heh. no runtime builder on the mac.
02:16:36 <Morbus> i won't mess with a language that can't be built into a runtime on every platform, without need for odwnloading the intepretor or compiler
02:17:06 <sbp> Aw, go on!
02:17:18 <Morbus> hehehe...
02:17:22 <AaronSw> Hmm, I think there just might be a runtime builder for the Mac.
02:17:24 <Morbus> beat up on morbus, whoooooOO!
02:17:36 <AaronSw> Java sucks on Mac!
02:17:36 <AaronSw> Sucks!
02:17:37 <AaronSw> :-)
02:17:39 <Morbus> not on osx.
02:17:52 <AaronSw> Yeah, it only sucks mostly. ;-)
02:17:58 <Morbus> hehehe...
02:18:13 <Morbus> so there is a runtime builder for python on the mac? any gui libraries?
02:18:29 <AaronSw> Yeah, there's Tk for the Mac.
02:18:54 <sbp> http://www.twistedmatrix.com/users/glyph/rant/python-vs-java.html
02:18:57 <Morbus> and you can bind all that crap into a standalne exe that can be compressed and shipped, with double-clickability...
02:20:17 <sbp> from that file: "Java's performance was *astonishingly* bad."
02:21:06 <Morbus> you know, i could care less about performance, actually. no one can complain about the performance if i can't give them a small doubleclickable app on every platform i want.
02:21:23 <Morbus> i care far more about usability.
02:21:32 <Morbus> rants to syndication pretty much repeat ad infinitum that belief
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02:29:23 <sbp> usability: interesting how I think most or all of the example Python files were shorter and neater than the Java files doing the same task (and slower)
02:41:36 <AaronSw> I've also found myself saying "v. cool" and wanting to say "lol" out loud.
02:41:45 <AaronSw> lol is pronounced lahl, btw.
02:44:01 <sbp> no, it's pronounced "lohl"
02:44:18 <AaronSw> Like low-ell?
02:51:30 <sbp> no, "lol"
02:51:45 <AaronSw> So an oh O, not an ah O?
02:51:51 <sbp> no
02:52:05 <sbp> i.e. like the "o" in "no"
02:52:13 <AaronSw> yeah, an oh o.
02:52:15 <sbp> er... not like
02:52:23 <sbp> more like in "hot"
02:52:29 <sbp> or "pot"
02:52:33 <AaronSw> that's what I said!
02:52:35 <AaronSw> lahl.
02:52:55 <sbp> that's not an "oh" sound
02:53:01 <AaronSw> No, it's an ah sound.
02:53:12 <sbp> yeah, as in "aaaaaaaah"
02:53:25 <sbp> as in "far"
02:53:28 <AaronSw> No, as in "ahhhhhhh"
02:53:33 <AaronSw> Yeah, far is good.
02:53:48 <sbp> "lol" kind rhymes with "poll"
02:54:02 <sbp> except the "l" sound at the end is shorter
02:54:14 <sbp> and the o sound is shorter too
02:54:22 <sbp> as in "lolly"!
02:54:35 <AaronSw> "poll" has a totally different o than lolly.
02:55:19 <sbp> not that much different
02:55:29 <AaronSw> Hmm, perhaps with your accent.
02:55:45 <AaronSw> Maybe we should share MP3s? ;-)
02:56:25 <sbp> Yeah, although I think my mic. is broken, and it
02:56:35 <sbp> 's 3:58AM
02:56:51 <sbp> "lol" is pronounced "lol"
02:56:57 <AaronSw> If you says so...
02:58:46 <sbp> I does
02:58:59 <sbp> Is that O.K.?
02:59:14 <AaronSw> Is what OK?
03:00:08 <sbp> [[[
03:00:08 <sbp> I don't care how many anime tapes you've watched, how many Japanese girlfriends you've had, or books you've read, You don't know Japanese. Not only that, majoring in the godforsaken language is NOT fun or even remotely sensible. Iraqi war prisoners are often forced to major in Japanese. The term "Holocaust" comes from the Latin roots "Holi" and "Causm", meaning "to major in Japanese". You get the idea.
03:00:16 <sbp> ]]] - http://www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~thoureau/japanese.html
03:00:28 <AaronSw> Yeah, that was pretty funny.
03:02:18 <sbp> It's a brilliant article!
03:02:19 <sbp> [[[
03:02:20 <sbp> Not only that, but Kanji can combined to form new words. For example, if you combine the Kanji for "small", and "woman", you get the word "carbeurator". 
03:02:23 <sbp> ]]] - ibid.
03:02:58 <AaronSw> [[[
03:03:00 <AaronSw> Sloppiness is not tolerated in Japanese society, and someone with a small wrinkle in their shirt, which they thought they could hide by wearing a hooded sweatshirt over it (possibly emblazoned with a catchy english phrase like "Spread Beaver, Violence Jack-Off!"), will be promptly beaten to death with tiny cellular phones.
03:03:03 <AaronSw> ]]] - ibid.
03:05:49 <sbp> I just read that bit
03:17:13 <sbp> Wow: http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2913850010820.gif
03:17:27 <sbp> He he he
03:42:01 <sbp> Aaron?
03:42:05 <sbp> You'll love this: http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/peanuts/archive/images/peanuts2812330010910.gif
03:42:07 <AaronSw> yes?
03:43:14 <AaronSw> heh
03:47:04 <sbp> Love this page: http://www.w3.org/2001/03/earl/0.9to0.95
03:48:18 <sbp> how would you order the SBP SWAD page?
03:48:58 <sbp> Hello?
03:50:35 <AaronSw> hi
03:51:23 <sbp> how would you order the SBP SWAD page?
03:51:28 <AaronSw> pointer?
03:51:34 <sbp> er...
03:51:42 <sbp> http://infomesh.net/2001/05/sw/
03:51:59 <sbp> wow, someone really needs to write another SW primer: http://infomesh.net/2001/07/top10sw/
03:54:50 <sbp> Hello?
03:54:59 <AaronSw> I'm ordering!
03:55:14 <AaronSw> EARL, SWIPT, Trust/Proof, RDFLint, SWTips, RDFWiki, RDF-in-XHTML, Simpsons, BSWL
04:00:01 <sbp> Sorry... thanks!
04:00:17 <sbp> Wow, BSWL that low, and Trust/Proof that high?
04:00:32 <AaronSw> * AaronSw shows his prejudices ;-)
04:01:07 <sbp> Well... just why Trust/Proof that high?
04:01:27 <AaronSw> Because it's cool... it's the new frontier.
04:01:31 <AaronSw> And there's little on it.
04:01:59 <sbp> I suppose. I'm still a bit confused by nurdle!
04:02:25 <AaronSw> hmz
04:02:29 <AaronSw> * AaronSw takes another look
04:03:33 <sbp> compare nurdle to the more logical http://infomesh.net/2001/proofexample/proof.n3
04:04:33 <AaronSw> Heh, but that's not exactly standard proof stuff.
04:04:55 <sbp> Yes, but nurdle is not much more complex
04:05:04 <AaronSw> hmz...
04:05:24 <AaronSw> In math class where we're doing proofs it's pretty boring so i've been sketching ways to do it in cwm.
04:05:50 <sbp> What have you come up with?
04:08:22 <sbp> Hello?
04:09:10 <AaronSw> Oh, not much yet
04:09:19 <AaronSw> Boy, you British folks get school off heasy...
04:09:27 <sbp> pardon?
04:09:29 <AaronSw> Everything after 16 is Further Education?
04:09:36 <sbp> Yeah
04:09:40 <AaronSw> Hmm, perhaps FE = American HE
04:10:33 <sbp> 11 years of school, 2 years of college, and 3 years of University
04:11:21 <sbp> I've said it before, and I'll say it again: fuck
04:11:40 <sbp> :-)
04:11:47 <AaronSw> heh :-)
04:12:33 <AaronSw> How old're you again?
04:12:40 <sbp> Dunno
04:12:49 <AaronSw> oh, come on
04:13:00 <sbp> Er... I was born in 1982, so... 19
04:13:14 <AaronSw> Aah, I'm being surrounded by 19-year-olds!
04:13:37 <AaronSw> Quick... deltab, how old are you?
04:13:39 <sbp> Really? Where?
04:16:18 <sbp> Well, anyway, I should go to bed really. I'm meant to have a visitor tomorrow, and perhaps I'll be going down the pub and playing pool again. Scary considering what happened last time
04:17:04 <AaronSw> Heh
04:17:10 <AaronSw> Who's the visitor?
04:17:21 <sbp> Roger, a friend of mine that I used to work with
04:17:37 <AaronSw> work in the sense of goofing off?
04:17:40 <sbp> He's a sound technician dude, into music
04:17:51 <sbp> yes, all of my work is conducted in that sense
04:18:01 <AaronSw> sound: nice
04:18:18 <sbp> Yeah, he loves it
04:18:21 <AaronSw> Hmm, well it's almost midnight... time to start doing some work, i suppose.
04:18:34 <sbp> Yep, c'ya!
04:18:37 <AaronSw> Bye.
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04:50:15 <AaronSw> logster, grep encode
04:50:15 <logster> I'm logging.  I found 3 answers for 'encode'
04:50:16 <logster> 0) 2001-09-13 04:50:15 <AaronSw> logster, grep encode
04:50:17 <logster> 1) 2001-07-31 01:32:49 <sbp> The concept of a global database takes some getting used to. It is bizarrely counter-intuitive, much like discovering that the earth goes round the sun (it does?). People aren't used to making data that has been encoded in proprietary formats for so long with "no ill effects" available on a globally decentralized basis. The fact there there is a clear lack of stable tools to process this data, and a lack of low-hanging-fruit type applications only confounds the si
04:50:19 <logster> 2) 2001-07-27 23:30:21 <AaronSw> OK, I've uploaded a new version that url-encodes those characters.
04:50:51 <AaronSw> logster, grep -i deltab.*uri
04:50:51 <logster> I'm logging.  I found 1 answer for 'deltab.*uri'
04:50:52 <logster> 0) 2001-09-13 04:50:51 <AaronSw> logster, grep -i deltab.*uri
04:50:57 <AaronSw> logster, grep -i deltab.*url
04:50:58 <logster> I'm logging.  I found 5 answers for 'deltab.*url' (showing 0...4)
04:50:59 <logster> 0) 2001-09-13 04:50:57 <AaronSw> logster, grep -i deltab.*url
04:51:00 <logster> 1) 2001-09-11 01:23:08 <deltab> .py urlparse
04:51:01 <logster> 2) 2001-09-11 01:22:46 <deltab> .py import urlparse
04:51:02 <logster> 3) 2001-09-11 01:22:39 <deltab> .x import urlparse
04:51:03 <logster> 4) 2001-09-10 03:52:53 <deltab> urllib.unquote
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17:30:20 <lilo> [Global Notice] Hi all.  At 19:30 UTC, in two hours, we'd like to ask everyone to observe a minute of silence in sympathy with the victims of the terrorist attacks on September 11, their loved ones and friends.  Channel admins, if you'd like to participate, please +m your channel for a minute and optionally deop at that time.  Thanks.
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17:32:28 <AaronSw> Ooh, your own rDNS?
17:32:30 <Morbus> hey, aaron, sorry for dropping out yesterday. t1 frazzled out for a bit.
17:32:43 <Morbus> hehehehe. yup. i work for the damn isp, remember? <G>
17:32:50 <AaronSw> yep ;-)
17:33:12 <Morbus> i'm actually on my work machine now. at home, i just dialup into the ports.
17:33:24 <AaronSw> That's what I figured
17:33:43 <Morbus> just wanted to jump in and apologize. where are the logs located? 
17:33:53 <AaronSw> no worries
17:34:02 <AaronSw> logs at http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/
17:35:43 <Morbus> you guys had a discussion on pronouncing tla's. i'm sorry i missed that <g>
17:35:49 <AaronSw> heh
17:37:58 <Morbus> did you ever give mac satellite a try ?
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17:38:34 <AaronSw> Yeah, I keep getting error 102. Do you know what that means?
17:38:40 <Neo^> hiello
17:38:45 <AaronSw> Hello
17:38:48 <Neo^> wussup?
17:38:58 <AaronSw> What brings you here?
17:39:01 <Morbus> any errors i've gotten, i've just kept trying to connect (cmd-K), and I eventually got in. you may have to set your down/up prefs though.
17:39:10 <Neo^> got a question
17:39:27 <AaronSw> what is it?
17:39:30 <AaronSw> down/up prefs?
17:39:32 <Neo^> suppose this:
17:39:45 <Morbus> dl/ul prefs. i read something somewhere of a bug with not specifiying your folders.
17:39:51 <AaronSw> ohh
17:40:04 <Morbus> strangely enough, its no longer available on verstiontracker too. i've been emailing it to be people ;)
17:40:24 <Neo^> im a db admnin (MS SQL) and i have to manage the db remotely: how do i connect?
17:40:36 <Morbus> depends what language you're using.
17:40:42 <Neo^> nono
17:40:44 <Neo^> no
17:40:47 <Neo^> i mean
17:40:48 <AaronSw> Neo^, this isn't really the right channel for that...
17:41:00 <Neo^> why?
17:41:09 <Neo^> hack
17:41:13 <Neo^> no?
17:41:27 <AaronSw> no, swhack ;-)
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17:42:12 <Morbus> what is the stated purpose of this place, anyways? 
17:42:15 <AaronSw> That was odd...
17:42:21 <AaronSw> purpose: to chat about stuff...
17:42:24 <AaronSw> :-)
17:42:28 <Morbus> hehehe. oh. <g>
17:42:34 <AaronSw> <ChanServ> Notice:     Description: Hacking, whacking and swhacking!
17:42:37 <Morbus> ever seen that movie?
17:42:54 <AaronSw> what movie?
17:43:28 <Morbus> the stuff.
17:43:41 <AaronSw> Hmm, I keep getting AGSock Error: 101
17:43:44 <AaronSw> the stuff?
17:43:50 <Morbus> yeah, thats normal.
17:43:58 <AaronSw> what's it mean?
17:44:06 <Morbus> that means that the server is slow. when i get like that, i just try another dozen or so times.
17:44:22 <Morbus> basically, keep trying until it says "sending login" in the status. if you see that, then you have a 50/50 of getting in.
17:44:39 <Morbus> audiogalaxy has beenhammered lately, i guess. i jump on early in the morning and then stay on all day.
17:44:43 <AaronSw> Hmm, now I have SockGetServer error: 101
17:44:52 <Morbus> same thing.
17:45:03 <Morbus> i've yet to see an error that couldn't be solved my bruteforcing the cmd-K combo <g>
17:45:16 <AaronSw> heh, so what's the stuff?
17:45:27 <Morbus> its basically about killer yogurt.
17:45:40 <Morbus> heheh. some russian guy finds this white goo bubbling out of the ground, eats it, loves it.
17:45:49 <Morbus> american commercializes it. and then it eats us. yup :)
17:46:22 <AaronSw> hehehheh. ... so what does this have to do with swhack?
17:46:34 <Morbus> well, we talk about stuff.
17:46:39 <AaronSw> ahh... i see :-)
17:46:41 <Morbus> the yogurt was called "the stuff"
17:48:26 <AaronSw> ahh
17:50:56 <Morbus> i love the bandwidth throttle of ag for pc's. its so hard to run stuff like this at work when MRTG measures everything ;)
17:51:26 <AaronSw> MRTG?
17:51:37 <Morbus> multi router traffic grapher or something.
17:51:41 <AaronSw> ahh
17:51:41 <Morbus> you've never heard of it?
17:52:03 <AaronSw> no, just didn't recognize the acronym
17:52:08 <Morbus> we've got it monitoring incoming and outgoing on all our t1's, as well as server load on all the machines, and bandwidth output on all the vhosts.
17:52:18 <Morbus> as well as dialup ports. woo.
17:52:37 <AaronSw> :-)
18:08:29 <Morbus> welp, i'm out. gotta do some real work.
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18:15:05 <AaronSw> Yay, finally got connected!
18:15:24 <AaronSw> (to audiogalaxy)
19:21:41 <lilo> [GlobalNotice] Hi all.  A reminder per previous message.  At 19:30 UTC, in two hours, we'd like to ask everyone to observe a minute of silence, in sympathy with the victims of the terrorist attacks on September 11, their loved ones and friends.  Channel admins, if you'd like to participate, please +m your channel for a minute and optionally deop at that time.  We're now coming up on 19:30.  Thanks.
19:23:56 <lilo> [GlobalNotice] Just to clarify, 19:30 is coming up on the half-hour, in about 5 minutes.
19:28:50 <AaronSw> Please respect a minute of silence for the victims of the recent attacks. Thanks.
19:30:09 <lilo> [GlobalNotice] Thank you.
19:34:25 <AaronSw> hmz
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23:01:19 <AaronSw> hello
23:01:29 <Morbus> g'day