IRC log of swhack on 2001-09-12

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<AaronSw> hi

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<sbp> Hi

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<AaronSw> Scary: http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/2001-02-05-binladen.htm

20:59:56 [AaronSw]

<AaronSw> They might make your new ESL scheme illegal. ;-)

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<sbp> Hmm...

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* sbp notes that no encryption of any type is involved with "esl:"

21:00:02 [AaronSw]

<AaronSw> So what... USA Today thinks steganography is encryption.

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<AaronSw> Digital Signatures can't be too far behind.

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<AaronSw> logster is down

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<AaronSw> :-(

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<sbp> what happened to it?

21:00:12 [AaronSw]

<AaronSw> I don't know... It was pretty close to the WTC, so I'm not surprised.

21:00:14 [AaronSw]

<AaronSw> Apparently that whole part of Manhattan has been closed.

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<AaronSw> Likely the Internet connection or the power died.

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<sbp> Ah, so it was terrorists then...

21:00:20 [AaronSw]

<sbp> yeah, apparently, all of the 'phone lines are down

21:00:22 [AaronSw]

<AaronSw> Yes, their real goal was to shut down Blogspace, they accidentally missed and hit the WTC by mistake.

21:00:25 [AaronSw]

<sbp> How did you first hear about it?

21:00:27 [AaronSw]

<AaronSw> My mom shook me awake this morning and said, "Aaron, Aaron, a plane crashed into the World Trade Center."

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<AaronSw> You?

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<Morbus> i thought it was the flipping satellite crashing. the first i heard of it was a blurb on the radio about "ash falling down". i changed the station.

21:00:35 [AaronSw]

<AaronSw> Satellite?

21:00:37 [AaronSw]

<sbp> I was playing pool in the Pub when someone rang up Phil on his mobile and said that someone had attacked the Pentagon

21:00:40 [AaronSw]

<Morbus> yeah, i mistakenely read something yesterday, and i thought it said something like some satellite was crashing to the earth and burning on reentry. when i heard the ash falling, i thought it was related to that.

21:00:43 [AaronSw]

<Morbus> i was in my car, coming home after dogsitting. i won't be forgetting.

21:00:45 [AaronSw]

<sbp> I thought he was kidding, or if he wasn't, that it was a minor attack, no injuries, and I even bet him a pound that it wasn't true

21:00:48 [AaronSw]

<sbp> We played another game of pool, and rushed home

21:00:50 [AaronSw]

<sbp> Just in time to see the second WTC tower collapse

21:00:52 [AaronSw]

<sbp> There are no words to describe that

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<AaronSw> Wow...

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<AaronSw> Yeah, I've been watching TV all day.

21:00:58 [AaronSw]

<AaronSw> I shouted to Mom, the Pentagon's under attack and she was like, "No honey, the World Trade Center." ;-)

21:01:01 [AaronSw]

<Morbus> same here. i only heard it on the radio, rushed home to flip the tv on, and just kinda sat shocked as the images rolled by

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<Morbus> it was so messed up. the people on the radio were telling whathappened, had justfinished saying that the wtc was hit, and then suddenly said "we have reports of another explosion". it was fucked up.

21:01:07 [AaronSw]

<AaronSw> Yeah, it was like some crazy movie... I kept wondering what was going to blow up next?

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<sbp> And there were also confusing reports about further planes for a while

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<Morbus> i kept askign myself the ... .. i kept wondering and amazing at how coordinated and plan'd this was.

21:01:13 [AaronSw]

<AaronSw> Yeah, there were a lot of reports about other planes that I haven't heard about again...

21:01:15 [AaronSw]

<Morbus> yeah, wasn't there some mysterious plane that they couldn't track? which one of the four was that? the one near penn?

21:01:18 [AaronSw]

<sbp> I think the primary problem was confusion about the Penn one

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<Morbus> same here. its been pretty much the four since about 2 this afternoon.

21:01:22 [AaronSw]

<AaronSw> Smoke visible from space: http://www.gnome.org/~drc/jeepo/nyc/NY_ch02_scale.jpg

21:01:24 [AaronSw]

<AaronSw> The conspiracy theorist in me says the government shot them down and wants to keep things quiet.

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<Morbus> est

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<AaronSw> Sheesh, those crazy Aussies slept thru it all.

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<AaronSw> tav's been ranting about it all day...

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<Morbus> well, there's a report somewhere that says the thing took a sudden 90 degree dip into earth

21:01:34 [AaronSw]

<AaronSw> Well, it's a great day to catch up on email since nobody's sending any.

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<tav> heh

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<Morbus> heh. i did that yesterday ;)

21:01:40 [AaronSw]

<sbp> Why would they keep it quiet that they shot down the aircraft?

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<Morbus> yeah, that doesn't make much sense to me either - same with the afg bombings

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<AaronSw> AFG?

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<sbp> I think it's more likely that the crew realised what was going on, and tried to crash it

21:01:48 [AaronSw]

<AaronSw> Yes, I'm pretty sure that's what happened to the PA plane.

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<sbp> The black boxes should be rather telling

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<AaronSw> If they find them.

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<Morbus> aaronSw, afghanistan (sp?)

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<AaronSw> ahh

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<Morbus> well, that worries me too.

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<sbp> I dunno if they'll find the WTC boxes, but the Pittsburgh and Pentagon ones should be easy

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<Morbus> because some people are suggestng that the other plans were flown by the terrorists.

21:02:04 [AaronSw]

<Morbus> but this plane made the turn already to whereever it was heading. if the terr. were flying it, it wouldn't make sense. if they weren't flying it, then a "plan" broke down somewhere.

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<Morbus> the reasoning behind the terr. flyer angle is because people certify that american pilots wouldn't willfully suicide themselves into a billing

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<Morbus> building, rather

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<sbp> absolutely

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<AaronSw> ESR's solution: Give everyone guns. http://doc.weblogs.com/stories/storyReader$1023

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<Morbus> i'm just constantly amzed at the scope of this operation. this must have taken an awful long time to plan

21:02:19 [AaronSw]

<sbp> Actually, it

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<sbp> 's incredible how crude and spohiticated it is at the same time

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<sbp> I mean, they caused destruction on an unprecedented scale... using knives

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<Morbus> no, that's stupid.

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<Morbus> sigh. flipping esr

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<Morbus> yeah! what a low tech solution. just ram our own shit into our own shit.

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<Morbus> its just like the car bomb - use a normal part of culture as a bad thing

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<Morbus> what's next? refrigerators being shipped with chemical coolants/diseases instead of freons?

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<Morbus> or box cutters, depending on who you listen to.

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<sbp> both, apparently

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<AaronSw> <jstraw> ALL DC area schools have now closed tommarrow

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<AaronSw> I hope I don't have to go to school tomorrow either.

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<AaronSw> Interesting interview with Scoble's son:

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<AaronSw> Q: What should we do to the people who planned the terrorist acts?

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<AaronSw> Well, we should kill them.

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<AaronSw> Q: Why do you say that?

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<AaronSw> Because they are stupid.

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<AaronSw> - http://scobleizer.manilasites.com/stories/storyReader$346

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<AaronSw> He's 7.

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<sbp> Scoble?

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<AaronSw> Robert Scoble...

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<sbp> Any further qualification?

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<AaronSw> umm, Marketing Guy for UserLand Software...

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<AaronSw> Weblog: http://scobleizer.manilasites.com/

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<sbp> Oh

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<sbp> Gotta run

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<AaronSw> bye

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<sbp> So, what do you think of plexnames?

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<sbp> Helli?

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<sbp> Hello?

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<AaronSw> Hi there.

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<sbp> Hi

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<sbp> So, what do you think of plexnames?

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<AaronSw> I think plexnames are very cool.

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<AaronSw> What do you think?

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<sbp> I also think that plexnames are very cool

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<sbp> So we're agreed? Plexnames are very cool

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<tav> thank ye

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<sbp> aaaaaargh!

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<sbp> Hi

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<AaronSw> Yes, I think we agree.

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<sbp> [sorry, I still get shocked when I see other people in this room]

21:04:01 [AaronSw]

<sbp> Any documentation yet? a precis of yesterday's rants might be good

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<AaronSw> Feel free to write some, sbp.

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<tav> AaronSw was going to, but today has been a historical day...

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<AaronSw> Yeah, I think I can be excused. :-)

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<sbp> Yeah...

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<sbp> I don't mean like right now!

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<AaronSw> Yes, I think I'll get a writeup sometime.

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* sbp just wondered if anything had been produced before yesterdays's carnage

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<AaronSw> Yeah, more chatlogs.

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<AaronSw> And I signed up to be an Espian.

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<sbp> I'm still suprised that Pat and Sandro etc. were still arguing about RDF

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<sbp> Loads of people just seem to be going "oh well"

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<AaronSw> I got very little email today... only about 4-5 messages, I think.

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<AaronSw> Yeah, well we might as well move on, eh?

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<sbp> I got about 40-50

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<sbp> Move on, yes, but not just ignore it

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<AaronSw> Interesting spam: "Do u Know why you receive so many email?"

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<AaronSw> Yes, because of spammers.

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<sbp> heh, yes

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<sbp> Isn't spam grammar great?

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<AaronSw> And then they go on to advertise spamming software.

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<sbp> Spam for spamming software? I suppose by sending that spam, they're proving that you need it

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<sbp> Gotta run

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<AaronSw> bye

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Hello.

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Hi

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