00:30:28 logster has joined #swhack 00:30:28 topic is: Daniel Biddle Appreciation Day 00:30:28 Users on #swhack: logster AaronSw tav deltab 01:01:32 sbp has joined #swhack 01:02:03 Daniel Biddle Appreciation Day? I thought that was yesterday? 01:02:10 ampheta? 01:02:20 amphetadesk, tav 01:02:42 ta da: http://purl.org/net/esl 01:02:43 http://sourceforge.net/projects/amphetadesk 01:04:23 "esl:" is the scheme that I have been working on 01:04:34 as well as all of the others... ahem 01:04:56 What's more, I've submitted it as an Internet Draft 01:05:03 cool! 01:05:50 I thought I'd bypass the usual "release to uri@w3.org and get some comments about how people don't think it's a good idea" step 01:06:06 :-) 01:06:11 heh 01:06:27 what's so good about ampheta? 01:06:40 it can be created in like an hour 01:07:00 You've used it? 01:07:18 Who said there was anything good about it? 01:07:21 no, just read http://www.disobey.com/amphetadesk/ 01:07:23 It's just Morbus' project. 01:07:49 Apparently it takes more than an hour if you use Perl and not Python. ;-) ;-) 01:08:17 He he he 01:08:35 Are you implying that Perl sucks? 01:08:51 for making apps, yes ;p 01:09:06 it's great otherwise 01:09:21 * sbp wonders about a Python vs. Befunge-93 rant 01:09:41 rant? 01:09:47 What is there to rant about? 01:09:56 I don't come up with essays or missives, I come up with rants 01:10:23 * sbp wonders if he should standardize his rant format 01:10:47 rant about: both are intuitive and easy to pick up 01:10:53 except for Befunge-93 01:11:18 [actually, that *was* very easy to pick up, just odd to code with] 01:12:06 you get funny programing problems like, "if I turn this subroutine that way, will I have enough space, or will I have to bridge over that other subroutine?" 01:12:40 more often than not, you think you have enough space, and find out you don't, or that you do if you turn another bit of code another way, which effects another bit of code... 01:13:24 s/effects/affects 01:14:02 that's so weird... 01:14:06 xena has joined #swhack 01:14:35 thanks, deltab 01:14:49 "wSnoraA">,# :# _@ 01:15:04 .babel de-en Ich esse gern Wuerstchen, am liebsten mit Senf. 01:15:04 I eat gladly small sausages, dearest with mustard. 01:16:10 .translate tag-eng Ito ay lumamig. 01:16:10 .babel de-en Was Creme versuchte die silberne Essiggurke? 01:16:11 Which cream tried the silver essiggurke 01:16:17 It are cool. 01:16:38 tag? 01:16:44 tagalog 01:16:54 used in the phillipines, iirc 01:17:25 .babel it-en Penso che stia andando orinare io stesso ridendo! 01:17:26 Task that is going to orinare same I laughing 01:17:30 er, Philippines 01:18:14 what other tricks does it do? 01:18:55 Xena? all sorts of fun stuff. 01:19:01 like? 01:19:02 You may have seen her as hiroko. 01:19:05 .commands 01:19:05 valid commands: 01:19:06 - +mask, -mask, access, act, babel, billennium, change, commands, ctcp, date 01:19:07 flights, weather, currencies 01:19:07 - dict, die, dns, e, email, excuse, flight, foldoc, fortune, google 01:19:08 - help, imdb, intelliquote, isotime, jargon, join, login, masks, modules, msg 01:19:09 - news, news on, news source, nick, nickometer, part, pig latin, plexname, quit, quote 01:19:10 - raw, register, rot13, search, seen, server, servers, spell, status, symbol for 01:19:11 - time, translate, unixtime, users, weather, webster, when did, whois, wn, zope commands 01:19:16 her? 01:19:19 the ubiquitous stock quote 01:19:30 x import urlparse 01:19:41 deltab, can you add hostmasks for me? 01:19:49 I can try 01:20:18 AaronSw!*@*.hlndpk1.il.home.com is fine 01:20:58 .+mask aaronsw AaronSw!*@*.hlndpk1.il.home.com 01:21:07 user does not exist 01:21:12 register 01:21:26 I did! 01:21:34 hmm 01:21:37 Notice: error: user already exists 01:21:45 Maybe you have the capitalization wrong? 01:21:54 .+mask AaronSw AaronSw!*@*.hlndpk1.il.home.com 01:21:58 success 01:22:01 Morbus has joined #swhack 01:22:10 yay! 01:22:12 thanks deltab! 01:22:24 x import urlparse 01:22:33 pfft 01:22:39 .x import urlparse 01:22:46 .py import urlparse 01:22:50 Notice: unauthorized: access denied 01:22:52 Hmm... http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-mealling-uri-ig-00.txt 01:23:03 .news on uri 01:23:05 On ethics and prejudices - Haaretz Daily - http://c.moreover.com/click/here.pl?l24440608 01:23:06 Stocks Eke Out Gains on Bargain-Hunting - iWon - http://c.moreover.com/click/here.pl?l24440057 01:23:07 Stocks rally fizzles over earnings worries - CNET - http://c.moreover.com/click/here.pl?l24436813 01:23:08 .py urlparse 01:23:09 01:23:24 .news on pink umbrellas 01:23:26 XM Radio Turns It On - Washington Post - http://c.moreover.com/click/here.pl?l24446048 01:23:27 PETA honors Linda McCartney - USA Today - http://c.moreover.com/click/here.pl?l24445467 01:23:29 By - TheStreet.com - http://c.moreover.com/click/here.pl?l24444988 01:23:35 .py urlparse.urljoin('a','b') 01:23:39 you have to wonder 01:23:42 phptphptpt 01:23:57 j,z 01:24:03 j,z? 01:24:06 have to increase your access 01:24:06 hmz 01:24:19 .access AaronSw 64 01:24:24 try now 01:24:27 .py urlparse.urljoin('a','b') 01:24:32 relogin 01:24:41 .py urlparse.urljoin('a','b') 01:24:42 'b' 01:24:45 yay! 01:24:47 thanks tav 01:24:51 nps 01:25:10 sbp, "McCartney, tieless in a pink shirt"... 01:25:21 .news on "pink umbrellas" 01:25:32 pig latin? 01:25:36 .news on "Sean B. Palmer" 01:25:43 .news rdfig 01:25:44 [ RDFIG ] - History-Based Tools for Navigation - An amusing opening slide from my pal, Paul Ford. - Nature Web Publishing article - http://rdfig.xmlhack.com/ 01:25:47 only one word 01:25:55 ahh 01:25:57 .news on Sean B. Palmer 01:25:57 esyay 01:25:59 Intel apologises for Bluetooth gaffe - The Register - http://c.moreover.com/click/here.pl?l24445088 01:26:00 Safeco, seeking profits, hikes homeowner rates - Puget Sound Business Journal - http://c.moreover.com/click/here.pl?l24443698 01:26:01 Injured deputy on the mend - Post and Courier - http://c.moreover.com/click/here.pl?l24442456 01:26:10 that's news on 'sean' 01:26:15 same as i mean 01:26:21 esyay? 01:26:31 Oh well 01:26:38 .seen Morbus 01:26:38 Morbus seen leaving #rdfig ~ 3 min(s) 48 sec(s) ago 01:26:40 .pig latin pig-eng esy-ay 01:26:40 error: Site Error occurred: UnboundLocalError 01:26:42 hmz 01:26:50 .crash 01:26:52 what does hmz mean? 01:26:52 Heh 01:27:08 it's the meaning of life 01:27:19 Morbus, you missed tav bashing AmphetaDesk earlier. ;-) 01:27:24 every few lines, i utter the meaning of life 01:27:27 loggy, grep ampheta 01:27:28 AaronSw: sssssssh! 01:27:31 bwahahah. yeah? 01:27:40 who the hell is tav? 01:27:49 tav is supreme ruler of the world. 01:27:49 hey, tav, who are you? 01:27:55 -- 01:27:56 what's so good about ampheta? 01:27:56 it can be created in like an hour 01:27:57 -- 01:28:17 heheh... 01:28:24 then why aren't there a zillion of em? 01:28:39 there are... 01:28:57 well, i can think of 5 off me head anyways 01:29:00 show me one thats crossplatform of mac / pc / linux and requires only one download for the moronic user 01:29:04 name em./ 01:29:20 i dunno about mac 01:29:22 * Morbus puts on boxing gloves... 01:29:28 ah ha! 01:29:31 mac, i only know radio 01:29:38 tav, what does plexname do? 01:29:40 help plexname 01:29:43 which is confusing as hell. 01:29:46 .plexname tav 01:29:47 http://espians.com/tav 01:29:50 yea, radio sucks 01:29:55 .e tav 01:29:55 error: [Errno socket error] host not found 01:30:02 argh, fucking thing 01:30:08 xena has quit 01:30:18 aw, you hurt its feelings 01:30:42 Morbus: gimme a min, restarting xena 01:30:48 see, my main prob is that there are all these rss readers, but there's a big curve to using them. 01:30:50 np 01:30:50 * sbp notices how #swhack is getting more and more popular... 01:31:21 AaronSw has changed the topic to: Join #swhack. Sean chats there. 01:31:28 lol! 01:31:43 heh. brb 01:31:43 Morbus has quit 01:31:48 For all your Sean-ish needs 01:32:03 You guys have the X wears them ad in the UK? 01:32:08 Morbus has joined #swhack 01:32:18 Not on my T.V. 01:32:26 oOoh. finally. athena finally nonantialiases the font. 01:32:46 It was a billboard ad, not a tv one. 01:33:09 I have a billboard right near my house... hang on a sec 01:33:25 ah, screw it, will fix the bug later 01:33:34 nope 01:33:36 * AaronSw thinks billboards suck 01:33:45 It's not all that big 01:33:49 tav, when I try to join the espnet I get: 01:33:50 Innermost method: /espnow/x_user_prefs_set 01:33:50 Name not found or not allowed: aaronsw 01:33:53 xena has joined #swhack 01:34:01 e tav 01:34:03 oh, the xnet? 01:34:05 .e tav 01:34:05 http://espians.com/tav 01:34:09 yes, the xnet 01:34:18 yea, i have to auth you 01:34:48 .e tav Please auth Aaron and fix annoying xena bugs. Thanks. :-) -Aaron 01:34:50 Mi chiama Sean, pleased to meet you 01:34:58 Mi chiama? 01:35:18 poor italian? 01:35:26 .translate ita-eng Mi chiama 01:35:28 Me [chiama] 01:35:55 .translate badita-eng Mi chiama 01:35:56 incorrect syntax. see help tranlate for more info. 01:35:59 I dunno how you spell it. I'm no better at spelling Italian than I am English 01:36:12 Well, spell it in English then. ;-) 01:36:21 * tav looks at sbp 01:36:33 Thanks, tav. 01:36:40 hang on a second... oh, it's been too long, hasn't it? 01:36:40 haha, "help tranlate" 01:37:14 you can never forget the very fist sentence you are taught in any language 01:37:18 .e sbp 01:37:25 you are only off by one... 01:37:29 haha, tav's fist obsession 01:37:42 deltab? 01:37:48 013847Z you can never forget the very fist sentence you are taught in 01:37:48 any language 01:38:01 d'oh! 01:38:14 it's the subliminal... 01:38:36 * tav gives up on sbp and gloats his punitive knowledge of italian 01:38:39 mi chiamo! 01:38:41 * sbp substitutes "o" for "a" and kicks the person who invented 01:38:47 heh 01:38:58 er... invented... what's the word? 01:39:32 Guess how many languages I've tried to learn? Eh? Take a wild guess. And guess how many I speak fluently 01:39:50 9 / 3 01:39:51 ? 01:39:53 1, 0 01:39:56 * sbp counts... 01:40:00 lol, Aaron 01:40:00 i'm still learning english ;) 01:40:02 AaronSw: ouch 01:40:25 Sean and I are good enough friends that he understands his English is bad. 01:40:35 heh 01:40:41 know each other offline? 01:40:56 Nah... he's too far away. 01:41:16 english, french, latin, tamil, hindi, sanskrit, japanese, swedish, russian, arabic 01:41:30 Hmm... 01:41:31 Innermost method: /espnow/index 01:41:31 Name not found or not allowed: There is no variable named 'trust_rating' 01:41:33 i know boolean. ok. i should just shut up now 01:41:43 Wow, that's impressive, tav. 01:41:59 No, seriously, sbp, how many languages do you know? 01:42:07 English/French/German/Italian/Russian/Catonese/Mandarin/Sanskrit/Latin/Iranian:English 01:42:07 [ english, tamil] [french, hindi] [latin, sanskrit] 01:42:20 10:1 01:42:23 heh 01:42:28 feeble, eh? 01:42:47 I was going to learn Norweigian next 01:43:00 i can understand very basic norwegian 01:43:05 mainly due to the swedish 01:43:19 first step, learn how to spell "Norwegian"... 01:43:26 heh 01:43:43 it's very close to English, so I'm told 01:43:49 Hmm, what's xt? 01:43:59 AaronSw: it'd be impressive if i were fluent in all of them 01:44:06 (but i will be one day) 01:44:13 That will be really impressive. 01:44:57 sbp: whats your mother tongue? 01:45:19 imo, forget german, focus on latin and sanskrit 01:45:21 I have no idea 01:45:40 ehm, you are an alien? 01:45:43 German is pretty terrible. Latin is quite cool, as is Sanskrit 01:45:49 no, I just have no idea 01:46:10 Oh, and Welsh! I forgot Welsh 01:46:12 11:1 01:46:13 .webster mother tongue 01:46:21 .webster mother tongue 01:46:22 error: unable to define mother tongue 01:46:24 forgive me if i'm being rude, but what etnic group are you? 01:46:33 English/White 01:46:39 oh 01:46:43 Language/Ethnicity 01:46:57 hmz, i'm perplexed by the not being good at english comments 01:47:20 We're just kidding him. 01:47:25 Sean's a great English speaker. 01:47:25 your english seems excellent in the esl draft 01:47:31 heh, yea 01:47:34 Aaron's just taking the piss. I'm writer of professionalism... er... profectional writer... or something 01:48:00 Oh, yes, that's why he's a bad writer. I remember now. He has a book with his name on it. 01:48:02 * tav slaps himself 01:48:17 Don't worry, it's just one of those fake Wrox things. 01:48:39 * AaronSw has an autographed copy of "Wrox: VoiceXML" that says "To Aaron: Who knew about VoiceXML a whole year before I did." 01:48:48 lol 01:48:56 But yet she still got the book deal! Sheesh. 01:48:58 Actually, it is funny; there are so many run on sentences in there, which is weird because I nenver type run on sentences, and would probably go so far as to say that run on sentences are absolutely terrible and should be avioded at all costs 01:49:32 has xena died? 01:49:35 .e cofe 01:49:36 http://localhost:8081/MSK@SSK@9BRxNPeBdBVvWUIJb7etC52nlUUQAgE/ContentOfEvil// 01:49:38 oh 01:49:39 hmz 01:49:46 What does .e do? 01:49:49 hmz? Davka 01:49:56 Davka? 01:50:13 It's Hebrew 01:50:22 e is an alias to plexname 01:50:24 .e 01:50:24 usage: email [ //] 01:50:25 - send email from irc! just specify the email address you want to send it to. 01:50:26 - you can also provide an optional subject line, provided you close it with // 01:50:27 argh 01:50:30 another one on my to-do list... 01:50:30 .plexname 01:50:31 usage: plexname 01:50:31 - converts a plexname to the equivalent relative or functional uri 01:50:37 what does plexname do? 01:50:42 man alive. what are those "usage" things supposed to look like? they look horrible in my irc thingy 01:50:54 Hmm, guess you don't support coloring. 01:50:55 pelxnames is my attempt of replacing the domain name infrastructure 01:51:02 How do I get in? 01:51:04 .email sean@mysterylights.com [arse] I'll bet that this doesn't work 01:51:05 email successfully sent. 01:51:27 * sbp eats his words... ooh, mint 01:51:29 huh. it says it supports ircle colors. 01:51:37 .email sean@mysterylights.com it does too // bwahahahahahahaa! 01:51:37 email successfully sent. 01:51:49 .plexname AaronSw http://www.aaronsw.com/ 01:51:56 .e AaronSw 01:52:00 a//h//a 01:52:06 hmz, want me to create an add plexname infrastructure? 01:52:14 Well, how else do I get in? 01:52:21 right now? 01:52:25 i add them manually 01:52:26 Yes. 01:52:33 goto plexnames.com 01:52:38 hmz: slovenian? 01:52:58 Arabic? 01:53:05 arabic, yes 01:53:09 slovenian, why 01:53:10 Arabic root, to prick, urge on, prod. hamza, from Arabic hamza, graphic sign for the glottal stop, from hamaza, to prick, to urge on, prod. 01:53:11 ? 01:53:29 heh 01:53:39 slovenian: dunno... a first guess 01:53:43 xt is just a zope product of mine 01:53:48 it does all sorts of fancy stuff 01:53:49 ahh... 01:53:58 tav, what goes in "functional" for my plexname description? 01:54:15 ah, lemme demonstrate 01:54:23 .e ? 01:54:24 usage: email [ //] 01:54:25 - send email from irc! just specify the email address you want to send it to. 01:54:26 - you can also provide an optional subject line, provided you close it with // 01:54:26 gah 01:54:37 .e cofe 01:54:37 http://localhost:8081/MSK@SSK@9BRxNPeBdBVvWUIJb7etC52nlUUQAgE/ContentOfEvil// 01:54:42 .e cofe tav.yi.org 01:54:42 http://tav.yi.org:8081/MSK@SSK@9BRxNPeBdBVvWUIJb7etC52nlUUQAgE/ContentOfEvil// 01:54:58 the normal uri woulda been : http://localhost:8081/MSK@SSK@9BRxNPeBdBVvWUIJb7etC52nlUUQAgE/ContentOfEvil// 01:55:15 the functional uri woulda been : http://:8081/MSK@SSK@9BRxNPeBdBVvWUIJb7etC52nlUUQAgE/ContentOfEvil// 01:55:26 is basically everything after the plexname 01:55:26 freenet? Brr... 01:55:32 yea, freenet 01:55:42 I see, so I insert a literal ? 01:55:46 yes 01:55:55 the problems that freenet causes! with it's anonymity 01:55:56 pfft, i need a password 01:56:08 heh, as i said, only i can add... 01:56:09 problems? more like benefits 01:56:24 you need more adders 01:56:54 I wish I had as many cool things as tav... 01:56:57 * sbp loves Freenet 01:57:11 heh 01:57:27 But I dunno how to install on WinMe... doesn't have JRE 01:57:42 well, i spend my whole life focussed on taking over the world 01:57:50 sbp: download it.... 01:57:58 we package the latest SUN JRE with espsetup 01:58:09 neat 01:58:10 http://www.espsetup.com/win32/espsetup.exe 01:58:21 * sbp gets 0.3.9.2 01:58:29 ehm 01:58:32 espra's pretty cool 01:58:33 just use espSetup 01:58:38