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01:49:13 <forward.openprojects.net> topic is: Are YOU a sequence-and-hierarchy chauvinist?
01:49:13 <forward.openprojects.net> Users on #swhack: logster AaronSw deltab 
01:50:28 <AaronSw> AaronSw has changed the topic to: HAPPY BILLENNIUM!!!!!!!!!
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02:53:50 <AaronSw> .translate
02:54:03 <AaronSw> oops, xena isn't here... shoot
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03:40:08 <AaronSw> Hi there.
03:40:16 <AaronSw> You missed the Billennium...
03:40:17 <sbp> Hi
03:40:27 <sbp> did I?
03:40:48 <AaronSw> Yeah, we had a great party.
03:40:59 <AaronSw> There are logs of course.
03:41:00 <sbp> Neat. Did you have fun?
03:41:11 <sbp> Ooooh, where?
03:41:22 <AaronSw> http://www.sixxs.net/misc/billennium.log
03:41:26 <AaronSw> We had a lot of fun.
03:42:45 <sbp> O.K., this has gone on far enough
03:43:05 <sbp> What is the Billennium?
03:43:27 <AaronSw> You know how UNIX counts in seconds since the "epoch"?
03:43:35 <sbp> nope
03:43:46 <AaronSw> well it does
03:43:48 <AaronSw> :)
03:44:00 <AaronSw> The time hit 1000000000.
03:44:09 <sbp> Oooooh, neat
03:44:54 <sbp> And I missed it? What a bugger
03:45:01 <AaronSw> So did Gerald.
03:45:06 <sbp> Heh, heh
03:45:21 <sbp> When was it, western time (or relative time)
03:45:55 <AaronSw> 7113 seconds ago
03:46:02 <AaronSw> -7249
03:46:11 <AaronSw> perl -e '$|=1; for(;;){ printf "%10d %5d" => time, 1_000_000_000 - time; sleep 1; print "\b"x16}'
03:49:44 <sbp> * sbp types "<sbp> Oh crap, did I miss it?" into #billennium
03:50:55 <AaronSw> * AaronSw types <AaronSw> lol
03:51:02 <sbp> lol! I love the countdown
03:51:23 <sbp> 41, 20, 57, 35, 38 (all from different people)
03:51:42 <AaronSw> It was going really fast.
03:52:02 <AaronSw> http://www.linuxpower.cx/~greg/bill.jpg
03:52:09 <AaronSw> Imagine all that typing in a clock tick
03:52:52 <sbp> blimey...
03:53:41 <sbp> ah, at the time, I was probably watching an Iridium Flare
03:53:59 <AaronSw> Iridium Flare?!
03:54:24 <sbp> yeah... do a Google search
03:54:36 <AaronSw> Unrelated to the Iridium satellites I assume?
03:55:01 <AaronSw> Oh, they are the Iridium satellites.
03:55:05 <AaronSw> Cool
03:55:13 <sbp> :-)
03:55:20 <sbp> Iridium 31, mag: -2
03:56:27 <AaronSw> very cool
03:56:31 <sbp> where are the #swhack logs?
03:57:09 <sbp> yo, Aaron!
03:57:16 <AaronSw> http://www.blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/
03:57:31 <sbp> cheers
03:58:02 <sbp> can you give me the exact UNIX time now?
03:58:32 <AaronSw> just a sec
03:58:40 <sbp> yes please
03:58:56 <AaronSw> 1000008024
03:59:07 <AaronSw> (approximately)
03:59:11 <sbp> cheers
04:00:25 <sbp> so when did it start counting from?
04:00:36 <AaronSw> Fray day 5 is on now http://64.152.82.196:24566
04:00:44 <AaronSw> 1970 something or other
04:01:05 <deltab> 1970-01-01T00:00:00Z
04:01:24 <sbp> * sbp can't get Fray day 5
04:01:25 <AaronSw> http://www.clueless.com/jargon3.0.0/epoch.html
04:01:30 <sbp> oh, hi deltab :-)
04:02:44 <AaronSw> Fray: Oh well, it's pretty funny.
04:06:34 <AaronSw> http://fray.org/5/
04:14:51 <sbp> * sbp wonders why tick and tock don't work
04:15:48 <AaronSw> eh?
04:18:30 <sbp> the USNO NTP servers
04:19:23 <AaronSw> hmm
04:21:46 <sbp> Aha, it works now (I'm using tock)
04:22:19 <AaronSw> "Fiction is just personal storytelling with training wheels."
04:22:25 <AaronSw>  - http://www.citystories.com/about/
04:22:56 <AaronSw> (Derek Powazek, I assume.)
04:22:57 <sbp> I agree
04:30:13 <AaronSw> Now I just need to find the RSA patent expiration song...
04:30:46 <sbp> * sbp still searches for a good NTP client
04:31:17 <deltab> I like sntpclock
04:31:41 <deltab> (part of the clockspeed package)
04:33:02 <AaronSw> Aha, the song! http://www.cryptorights.org/events/img/source/13.html
04:33:09 <AaronSw> (sorta)
04:33:47 <AaronSw> Oh, here we go: http://www.cryptorights.org/events/superpolynomial.html
04:41:51 <sbp> How long 'till the patent runs out?
04:42:12 <AaronSw> It ran out a while back. Last year I think.
04:42:21 <sbp> Oh, neat
04:46:54 <sbp> * sbp find TIC to be quite good, and it uses USNO Tock
04:48:52 <sbp> Gotta run
04:48:53 <sbp> c'ya
04:49:02 <AaronSw> bye
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17:56:49 <AaronSw> tav is in, tav is out, tav is in, tav is out.
18:06:28 <tav> hi
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19:28:55 <AaronSw> hi tav
19:29:07 <AaronSw> When's xena coming back?
19:57:13 <tav> when a certain bug with fds is fixed
20:04:57 <AaronSw> fds?
20:10:35 <tav> file descriptors
20:10:48 <tav> AaronSw: are you still 14 / 15 ?
20:12:50 <AaronSw> yes, why do you ask?
20:13:51 <tav> i was just very impressed
20:14:58 <AaronSw> ahh.... thanks ;-)
20:15:23 <tav> asian background?
20:15:44 <AaronSw> me? no...
20:17:01 <tav> you don't look caucassian...
20:17:06 <tav> .spell caucassian
20:17:19 <tav> gah
20:17:54 <AaronSw> i don't?
20:18:13 <AaronSw> perhaps not in a doorknob...
20:19:42 <AaronSw> Here's a better one: http://blogspace.com/pictures/photo-view?photo_id=4282
20:21:47 <tav> ted nelson and douglas englebart
20:21:49 <tav> wow indeed!
20:23:14 <AaronSw> heh
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21:49:07 <AaronSw> F**k you.
21:49:09 <AaronSw> Oh, hello.
21:49:27 <AaronSw> I was just thinking about you, sbp. ;-)
21:49:55 <AaronSw> AaronSw has changed the topic to: Home of Sean B.A. Palmer
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21:50:29 <AaronSw> pfft
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21:53:49 <AaronSw> hello again
21:54:13 <AaronSw> it appears that sbp has left the building
21:54:20 <sbp> no, I'm here
21:54:22 <sbp> Hi!
21:54:29 <sbp> I was just looking into the geopriv group
21:54:32 <sbp> blargh
21:54:33 <AaronSw> Aha.
21:54:49 <AaronSw> You missed my great intro last time, better check the logs.
21:54:49 <sbp> I'm just about to mail the list...
21:54:56 <sbp> * sbp checks the logs
21:55:27 <sbp> lol!
21:55:57 <sbp> grmph, you can take that "A" out of my name
21:56:25 <AaronSw> AaronSw has changed the topic to: Home of Sean B. (not A.) Palmer
21:57:28 <sbp> * sbp sends a mail t the geopriv group, CC to www-archive
21:57:44 <sbp> s/t/to
21:57:45 <AaronSw> Aha, GLD=Global Learning Day.
21:58:01 <AaronSw> Ooh, here's an interesting error! 
21:58:02 <AaronSw> 404 Address family not supported by protocol family
21:58:26 <sbp> where'd you get that?
21:58:31 <deltab> how is that 404?
21:58:42 <AaronSw> Try visiting http://www.bfranklin.edu/gld5 for me
21:59:12 <sbp> yeah, it's fine
21:59:26 <AaronSw> How odd... it seems to have fixed itself.
22:01:57 <AaronSw> * AaronSw wonders whn danbri will finsih playing myst and turn his server back on...
22:02:17 <AaronSw> Hehe: "URI schemes should not be invented on a whim, so it's a little bit embarassing really, but I've done it so much, it could almost be considered a hobby of mine now!", SBP
22:02:37 <AaronSw> ..."Interestingly, not one of my schemes has ever been registered, 'cause many of them are pretty awful."
22:02:41 <sbp> hey! I didn't write that... ahem
22:02:59 <sbp> Aw...
22:03:35 <sbp> I thought I'd cracked with "geo", but perhaps not
22:04:06 <AaronSw> Hmm, NTP URIs...
22:04:11 <AaronSw> Not sure about the use.
22:04:28 <AaronSw> LOL, urn-musical-note
22:04:37 <AaronSw> Oh, dear... urn-simpsons
22:04:40 <sbp> If you have an NTP client, you can try out people's new servers... it's quicker than saying "type in xxx in your NTP client"
22:04:55 <sbp> urn-musical-note is quite a cool one, but it got a bit complicated
22:05:15 <AaronSw> But in what context would you be trading NTP servers where the user didn't know it was an NTP server?
22:05:35 <AaronSw> Hmm, I don't remember you mentioning etag...
22:05:54 <sbp> search your mail archives, that's how I found it!
22:06:03 <AaronSw> musical notes might be better as RDF vocabs
22:06:11 <sbp> probably
22:06:24 <sbp> but they're pretty universal... I just liked this idea:-
22:06:34 <sbp> [[[
22:06:35 <sbp>       Perhaps by activiating a link to such a URN, a musical note could 
22:06:35 <sbp>       be played. In that way, crude HyperText instruments could be formed.
22:06:36 <sbp> ]]]
22:06:43 <sbp> just a laugh
22:06:46 <AaronSw> Next you're going to tell me that we need urn:rose... "A rose by any other name would not be as persistent"
22:07:06 <AaronSw> HyperText instruments -- right there with the coffee pots!
22:07:08 <sbp> why not? Yuo could have one for rose names. They are officially registered
22:07:11 <sbp> yes!
22:08:07 <sbp> * sbp looks up rose name registration processes
22:08:32 <sbp> aha: http://www.actahort.org/books/182/182_32.htm
22:09:43 <sbp> interesting
22:11:44 <sbp> sbp has changed the topic to: Everyone knows that I'm what makes this channel great - AaronSw
22:12:10 <AaronSw> Huh?
22:12:18 <sbp> Let me explain...
22:12:43 <sbp> it was "home of Sean B. Palmer", so I thought I'd put "I'm what makes this channel great"
22:13:11 <sbp> but! That would have made me sound like an egotistical (but still very bery cool) dude, and I'm not
22:13:17 <sbp> So I blamed it on you instead
22:13:19 <AaronSw> See, but home of SBP is true!
22:13:26 <AaronSw> I never claimed such an ego thing.
22:13:32 <AaronSw> AaronSw has changed the topic to: Everyone knows that I'm what makes this channel great - SBP
22:13:56 <sbp> sbp has changed the topic to: "Everyone knows that I'm what makes this channel great - SBP" - AaronSw
22:14:28 <AaronSw> AaronSw has changed the topic to: '"Everyone knows that I'm what makes this channel great - SBP" - AaronSw' - SBP
22:14:42 <sbp> sbp has changed the topic to: "'"Everyone knows that I'm what makes this channel great - SBP" - AaronSw' - SBP" - AaronSw
22:14:51 <AaronSw> AaronSw has changed the topic to: Anything you can do, I can do meta!
22:15:09 <sbp> sbp has changed the topic to: I can do anything meta than you!
22:15:21 <sbp> :-)
22:15:21 <AaronSw> AaronSw has changed the topic to: No you can't!
22:15:26 <AaronSw> :-)
22:15:29 <sbp> sbp has changed the topic to: Yes I can!
22:16:02 <sbp> Wasn't that by Sammy Davis Jr.?
22:16:14 <AaronSw> Irving Berlin, I think
22:16:18 <AaronSw> http://das-www.harvard.edu/users/students/Rebecca_Hwa/lyrics/berlin.html
22:16:55 <sbp> No, I mean "Yes I can!"
22:17:00 <sbp> http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Yes+I+can%22+%22Sammy+Davis+Jr.%22
22:18:13 <AaronSw> AaronSw has changed the topic to: Swartz is the first Aaron on Google. Palmer is the 43rd Sean.
22:18:19 <sbp> sbp has changed the topic to: Home of the Berlin/Davis appreciation society
22:19:03 <sbp> Oh, piss
22:19:07 <AaronSw> You're right behind "the faces of sean bean"!
22:20:50 <AaronSw> AaronSw has changed the topic to: Real hackers have breakfast at 6PM
22:20:55 <AaronSw> At least Gerald does. ;-)
22:21:05 <sbp> sbp has changed the topic to: Real hackers go to bed at 6PM
22:21:14 <sbp> At least I do :-)
22:21:52 <AaronSw> I went to bed at like 3AM last night... listening to Fray Day 5 SF.
22:22:05 <AaronSw> Silly time differences.
22:22:16 <sbp> Yep
22:22:23 <sbp> She was a working girl
22:22:28 <sbp> North of England way
22:22:34 <sbp> Now she's hit the big time
22:22:38 <sbp> In the U.S.A.
22:22:46 <sbp> And if she could only hear me
22:22:50 <sbp> This is what I'd say
22:22:57 <sbp> (doo-ooh)
22:23:00 <sbp> Honey pie
22:23:04 <sbp> You are making me crazy
22:23:08 <sbp> I'm in love but I'm lazy
22:23:15 <sbp> So won't you please come home
22:23:20 <AaronSw> AaronSw has changed the topic to: Breakfast, Beatles, and Berlin
22:23:38 <AaronSw> Alright, gotta run.
22:23:45 <sbp> O.K., c'ya!
22:23:47 <AaronSw> Gonna see a movie, I guess.
22:23:55 <AaronSw> Bye!
22:24:01 <sbp> cool!
22:24:03 <sbp> c'ya
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