00:28:46 logster has joined #swhack 00:28:46 Users on #swhack: logster @sbp AaronSw deltab 00:29:01 Hmm, I wonder why logster keeps quitting like that. 00:31:18 Give it a slap 00:31:41 * AaronSw slaps logster around a bit with a large trout 00:31:45 Hmm... doesn't mIRC have some utility for doing that? 00:31:47 * sbp slaps logster around a bit with a large trout 00:31:53 My IRC client added that feature recently. 00:31:55 apparently so, yes 00:32:03 A ripoff of mIRC I suppose. 00:32:10 indubidably 00:32:19 dear fellow 00:32:39 :-) 00:32:59 Eh? Know what I mean? Nudge, nudge, wink, wink: say no more! 00:33:25 You and Monty Python... 00:33:28 And now for something completely different... a man with three buttocks 00:34:58 * AaronSw adds logging to logster 00:35:09 ('indubitably') 00:35:17 heh 00:35:42 logster has joined #swhack 00:35:42 topic is: THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK 00:35:42 Users on #swhack: logster sbp AaronSw deltab 00:35:48 How To Recognize Different Types Of Trees From Quite A Long Way Away: Number 1 00:35:49 The Larch 00:35:52 Number 1 00:35:57 (swip, swip) 00:35:57 The Larch 00:35:59 The Larch 00:36:09 I was saying that for days after I first saw it... 00:36:17 So were my brothers... 00:36:20 :-) 00:36:23 deltab, no now I'm logging the program myself so I can see why it keeps dying. 00:37:28 So, Aaron, how many sheds do you have? 00:37:46 eh? 00:37:54 sheds? 00:38:01 Yeah... how many? 00:38:23 * AaronSw senses a joke at his expense 00:39:18 not really, I just want to know how many sheds you have 00:39:38 What would you say if I said only one? 00:40:07 You have one shed? 00:40:24 No, I'm just asking what you would say if I said that I had only one. 00:40:42 Well, I can't really tell until you say it, can I? 00:41:45 I don't see why. 00:42:10 because there's a quantum uncertaintay as to what I'd say. You can't tell until it happens 00:42:48 What's a shed? 00:43:16 Don't play dumb with me! It's a hut-like structure that one keeps the tools in 00:43:26 Y'know, a shed shed 00:43:38 So a tool-shed? 00:43:58 Oh, you Americans crack me up... yes, a tool shed 00:44:01 a shed 00:44:16 I don't think I have a tool shed. 00:44:32 Fine, Aaron "no sheds" Swartz 00:44:41 Shoot, I knew he was going to do that. 00:44:46 He he he 00:44:56 But I'm supposed to be Aaron "one shed" Swartz, don't you see? 00:45:04 Buy a shed, then 00:45:19 No, then I'd be Aaron "two sheds" Swartz and that'd be no good. 00:45:37 That'd be perfect! Are you thinking of getting a new shed? 00:45:45 No! 00:45:52 I'm not even thinking of getting an old one! 00:46:02 why do they call you Aaron "two sheds" Swartz, then? 00:46:13 They don't! Sheesh. 00:46:35 * sbp wonders where Google-"no sheds"-r went 00:46:37 Hey, why don't you go visit twosheds.com or something. 00:46:56 "no sheds"? I did "sheds monty python" you dumbo. 00:46:59 Wow, kick ass 00:47:54 Do you mind if I call you Edward? Or Eddie-baby? 00:48:27 Why? 00:48:39 Hey, I'm the interviewer here 00:48:51 er... aren't I? 00:49:01 Umm, no. 00:49:02 Hey, did you see the Queen Mother died earlier today. 00:49:11 er, sure 00:49:26 Really, danbri told me all about it. 00:49:33 [off] rumour on FoRK list: that the Queen Mother is dead. Anyone else heard this? (apart from on fork...?) 00:49:33 [off] http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/20810.html 00:50:13 ah well, you can't believe everything that you read on FoRK 00:51:17 Or The Register. 00:51:28 OTR? 00:51:47 The Register, you know? 00:51:55 O? 00:52:00 "Biting the hand that feeds IT" and all that 00:52:13 and all that IT entails? 00:52:18 you can't believe everything that you read on FoRK...or The Register. 00:52:23 What's love go to do with IT? 00:52:36 Nothing, apparently. 00:53:50 Sean's always good for cheering me up, aren't you, Sean? Now I'm so cheered up I might be able to start programming again. 00:53:59 affirmative 00:54:07 Let me just get rid of this beer bottle... 00:54:16 Oh, that reminds me. Have you seen http://validator.w3.org:8001/ ? 00:54:49 I have now 00:54:51 And http://tidy.sourceforge.net/ for that matter. 00:55:18 Aaaaaaargh! Not open source! 00:55:27 I said that you might be able to do CSS for the new validator site. 00:55:31 That'll take the charm away: it's terrible! 00:55:39 why? 00:55:42 Heh. You should get Sean to do a nice stylesheet for you. 00:55:44 CSS: it certainly needs it 00:55:45 Sean...? Palmer? 00:55:52 Yeah 00:55:52 Oh, he does a mean CSS then? (I just know him as the WAI Dude) :-) 00:55:52 Yeah, he's good at it. 00:56:07 * sbp wonders where Aaron's getting these quotes from... scary 00:56:19 Tidy open source: very cool 00:56:28 Yeah, it would be if there wasn't a #validator on this network. 00:56:42 WAI Dude, he he he 00:56:45 Who's xower? 00:56:51 Terje Bless 00:57:06 ah, of course. Yes, he does know me as the WAI Dude 00:57:16 How do you know him? 00:57:23 Where the smeggle was that, then? 00:57:32 He's an acquaintance 00:58:01 I told you, #validator on this network. 00:58:05 oh... 00:58:14 * sbp makes a little impromptu visit 00:58:28 Terje Bless, aka link, aka xover, aka xoverworked, aka xower 00:58:34 Packed 00:59:01 Pffff, I always knew deltab listened in on us :-) 00:59:08 lol 00:59:10 yup 00:59:12 :-) 00:59:20 Are we interesting, deltab? 00:59:33 MartinJD = Martin J. Duerst, if you didn't notice. 00:59:42 Now say "ooh!" 00:59:46 ooh! 00:59:53 See, I've got him. 00:59:54 Dürst, itym :-) 01:00:05 Aww, shut up smarypants. ;-) 01:00:22 yeah, exactly (I was just about to say that myself) 01:00:27 no really, I was 01:00:28 * AaronSw tries to think of a word that uses é. 01:00:38 Qué? 01:00:42 actually if we used UTF-8 that wouldn't work 01:01:11 ¿Qué Dürst? 01:01:20 * sbp marvels at how the name "Dürst" is synonymous with "UTF-8" 01:01:31 * AaronSw shows off his m2d l2nguage sk11lz 01:01:39 ugh 01:02:05 Are you encoding that page in Dürst? 01:02:16 lol 01:02:32 No, I prefer Durst. (iso-88596-1) 01:02:51 Well, you might as well throw up your hands and use Duerst then! (ascii) 01:03:46 * AaronSw wonders if logger is ketching these sublties of langúage 01:04:46 iso-88596-1: that's a new one 01:05:15 You can shut up too, smartypants. 01:05:41 He he he 01:05:45 Hmm, apparently logger is. 01:06:13 * deltab wonders why the links on that page are white 01:06:26 What page? 01:06:44 on http://validator.w3.org:8001/ 01:06:58 «°$©|+¥ýÉë¥t@¦îî¦ð»? 01:07:04 Do you see them as white? Please report it to #validator. 01:07:26 I do, and I can't figure out why 01:07:26 Geez, thanks sbp -- now you've given logster a heart-attack. 01:07:33 Must be a CSS bug. 01:07:41 heh: a img {color: white} /* The only way to hide the border in NS 4.x */ 01:07:44 my browser don't know css at all 01:08:01 odd. 01:08:12 What're you using? 01:08:16 Links 01:08:27 Doesn't that show everything as white? 01:09:00 no, by default normal text is light grey and links are cyan 01:09:19 Just imagine that the page has been snowed on 01:09:19 I don't see anything that's overriding that 01:09:39 Well, it could be the a img {color: white} bit 01:10:01 If Sean was born hundreds of years ago, he would have invented religious myths. Now he just invents them for browser incompatibility. 01:10:15 Yes! 01:10:22 which just goes to prove the biggest axiom of the World Wide Web: Never support NS4.x 01:10:43 Heh, you better get Tim to add that to /DesignIssues/Axioms ;-) 01:11:55 I'd try if I didn't think he'd shout at me 01:12:12 :-) 01:12:39 I can't believe that there are still people in the world using Ns4.x 01:12:47 Heh, conversation with my Dad: 01:13:03 > My browser, which renders most pages just fine couldn't render this page the other day. 01:13:07 What browser do you use? 01:13:16 > Umm... Netscape 4.7, I think. 01:13:38 Aaaaaargh! See what I mean? 01:13:38 And you think it renders most pages just fine? 01:14:08 it would have been better as Never write NS4.x 01:20:16 Coming soon from Microsoft: 01:20:21 Freuddy.NET 01:20:23 will chart you an instant psichological report of a desired 01:20:23 person. Its brother, BonddyJames.NET, will report you a 01:20:23 complete biography. The Ciberpolitan Magazine will run a modified 01:20:23 version of the Psigooglogist service, the Lovely.NET to find 01:20:23 your ideal mate. 01:21:16 Neat, when are they going to be releasing that? 01:21:42 Well they 01:22:08 Well they're collecting data from usage of Windows ME and XP, so it should be out in the version after that. 01:22:56 Ah, not long then 01:25:21 * AaronSw puts on Bohemian Rhapsody 01:25:55 * sbp plays "Sun King" on his guitar, rather quietly 01:26:34 Sean, have you looked at the RDFStore/RDFSink internals? 01:27:13 nope. I was going to reverse engineer CWM 01:27:28 reverse engineer? 01:27:51 or backwards engineer 01:28:03 stripping it apart to find out how it works 01:28:12 I see. 01:28:44 * sbp plays the bass line from "Mean Mr. Mustard" on his guitar 01:30:00 * AaronSw wonders what AGSockError: 101 is 01:30:07 * sbp too 01:30:29 perhaps it's when you have 101 socks in your drawer, and wonder where the other one went? 01:31:19 lol 01:47:22 sbp has quit 03:18:20 "Dave Wiener has definently succeeded; Frontier and Radio Userland have been used to take weblogs to a new level, creating a new artform." - http://codinginparadise.org/ 12:54:24 AaronSw has quit 12:54:29 AaronSw has joined #swhack 13:26:54 AaronSw has quit 17:55:19 AaronSw has joined #swhack 20:53:45 sbp has joined #swhack 21:00:01 SeanP has joined #swhack 21:00:19 sbp has quit 21:00:23 SeanP is now known as sbp 21:30:56 sbp has quit 22:58:52 sbp has joined #swhack 23:00:37 AaronSw has changed the topic to: Are YOU a sequence-and-hierarchy chauvinist? 23:01:10 lol @ 22:17:40 Jan Grant.. hrrm should i be in love? .. the last Jan i fell for (Jan Weidlemaker) turned out to be a man 23:01:19 heheh 23:02:55 It is difficult over email though... how do you address formal letters when you don't know the gender of the person you're writing to? 23:04:03 Dear imakillermonkey2345@hotmailcom: 23:04:17 they'll think it's spam! 23:04:35 There are no formal letters in email. 23:04:45 sure there are 23:05:27 oierw reminds me of belly button, which reminds me of pupok (russian for belly button) which reminds me of Ian Clarke's ex-gf (whose nick is pupok) which reminds me of drugs. 23:05:53 oh, er... O.K. 23:07:21 nope 23:07:30 nopity, nope nope 23:07:32 Ian Clarke is the creator/inventor of Freenet 23:07:36 it's a song I'm writing... 23:07:44 well, maybe it isn't... who can say? 23:07:50 Oh, really? 23:07:56 I had heard of him 23:08:10 based in Edinburgh, isn't he? 23:08:50 I think so, although he was in town recently. 23:08:53 He stopped by on IRC. 23:09:09 Ha, I was right: http://www.octayne.com/ 23:09:17 Aw, I missed him. In #rdfig? 23:09:23 Nah, not #rdfig. 23:09:41 I got tired of waiting for google.com to load, so I wrote my own, but it's just as slow.. ugh 23:09:54 pardon me? 23:10:22 I visit google.com a lot, and the main page takes too long to load 23:10:26 tired of waiting for google to load? 23:10:26 so I wrote a simpler one 23:10:32 yes, google 23:10:33 really? 23:10:36 just the main page tho 23:10:41 the search results are much faster 23:10:42 Oh blimey, it doesn't take that long, surely! 23:10:47 how does it take too long to load? 23:10:54 It takes like two seconds or something! That's outrageous. 23:10:59 ?! 23:11:22 Geez, 5 seconds! 23:11:23 * sbp reminds deltab that he's talking to Aaron "two monitors" Swartz 23:11:40 I visit Google a lot. That adds up, you know. 23:11:45 I thought it was "no sheds"? 23:11:49 Oh, so you gave up on sheds, huh? 23:12:00 AaronSw: so do I, and it's virtually instant 23:12:18 You do what? 23:12:42 use google a lot 23:12:53 yeah, me too. I never have any problems with it 23:13:00 Ahh, I just counted it. It's like five seconds. Maybe it's my ArchiverProxy? 23:13:13 I have Google on my favourites bar, so it's even faster 23:13:18 yes, it could be 23:13:26 * AaronSw can type google.com pretty fast 23:13:35 can you disable certain sites? 23:13:37 google.com 23:13:39 google.com 23:13:41 google.com 23:13:48 Hmm... 23:13:54 and you say your faster page isn't much faster? 23:14:25 is your faster page on the local drive? Why don't you try that, if not? 23:14:34 It is on the local drive. 23:14:34 Yeah, it's like two seconds. 23:14:46 I've visited google 489 since I started my proxy. 23:14:51 heh 23:14:58 * AaronSw deletes it 23:15:01 that takes a while 23:15:07 a long while 23:15:12 la de da de da 23:15:14 done 23:15:23 * sbp likes the interlude music 23:15:27 ahh, much better 23:15:35 3 seconds? 23:15:39 sub-3 seconds? 23:15:40 Hmm, wonder what in the proxy is causing the slowdown -- probably the file loop 23:15:52 directory scanning perhaps? 23:15:53 3 seconds 23:16:00 yes, must be directory scanning 23:16:10 takes five minutes to read the dir tav's mail is in 23:16:16 * sbp loads Netscape6 to see hoe fast Google loads... 23:16:18 how long do you think it takes to loop thru 1000 files? 23:16:47 Pff... 4.45 seconds from scratch 23:17:16 0.93 cached 23:17:22 but IE5.5 is a lot faster 23:18:19 well, well curl only takes 0m0.658s 23:18:25 so there 23:18:51 sheesh, lynx takes real 0m2.591s 23:19:07 real 0m0.912s cached 23:21:51 Hmm, Jungle ain't bad. 23:22:21 Speed Garage is better 23:23:03 and I still mean better in the pejorative sense (if there is one) 23:23:15 Hmm, have a feed? 23:23:24 not personally, no 23:24:36 * AaronSw hates scripts that leave locked mutexes lying around. 23:25:02 Hmm, that reminds me of something funny -- when I was at dinner with RDF Core, I kept wanting to make /me comments in the conversation! 23:25:03 you should compile a pet hates list. Now that I'd like to read 23:25:16 1. Sean B. 23:25:19 yeah! Oh boy, I have the same problem... it's weird 23:25:33 * sbp was referring to /me rather than Sean B. 23:25:38 heh 23:25:49 As I was saying 1. Sean B. djkklkdkld 23:25:51 ow! 23:26:22 But yet, can you define the difference between a /me comment and a normal one? 23:26:46 * sbp thinks that a normal one is nothing compared to a /me comment 23:28:58 * AaronSw finds Jungle music makes him type faster 23:29:20 heh 23:31:02 logger, grep -i hate 23:31:10 loggster, grep -i hate 23:31:15 logster, grep -i hate 23:31:16 I'm logging. I found 17 answers for 'hate' (showing 0...4) 23:31:17 0) 2001-09-07 23:31:15 logster, grep -i hate 23:31:18 1) 2001-09-07 23:31:10 loggster, grep -i hate 23:31:19 2) 2001-09-07 23:31:02 logger, grep -i hate 23:31:20 3) 2001-09-07 23:25:03 you should compile a pet hates list. Now that I'd like to read 23:31:21 4) 2001-09-07 23:24:36 * AaronSw hates scripts that leave locked mutexes lying around. 23:31:21 pfft 23:31:36 logster, grep 5-17 -i hate 23:31:36 I'm logging. I found 4 answers for '-i hate' (showing 5...4) 23:31:53 logster, grep 5-10 -i hate 23:31:53 I'm logging. I found 5 answers for '-i hate' (showing 5...5) 23:32:01 logster, grep -i 5-10 hate 23:32:02 I'm logging. I found 20 answers for 'hate' (showing 5...10) 23:32:03 5) 2001-09-07 23:31:02 logger, grep -i hate 23:32:04 6) 2001-09-07 23:25:03 you should compile a pet hates list. Now that I'd like to read 23:32:05 7) 2001-09-07 23:24:36 * AaronSw hates scripts that leave locked mutexes lying around. 23:32:06 8) 2001-09-02 02:22:54 Whatever happened to xml:style? 23:32:07 9) 2001-08-31 20:14:15 whatever 23:32:08 10) 2001-08-31 03:20:58 nope. i hate phone calls too. 23:33:09 grep "Whatever happened to xml:style?" 23:33:20 for "hate" 23:33:23 go on 23:33:36 ah, w hate ver 23:33:53 * sbp smacks himself 23:34:18 well, now I'll just investigate PIM 23:35:08 good tip:- 23:35:09 [[[ 23:35:15 ]]] - http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2000/10/swap/pim/doc.n3?rev=1.4&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup 23:35:32 I should add that to /2001/08/swtips/ 23:35:41 Yeah, that's a good one. 23:36:28 "My document" :author "Bob" . 23:36:55 [ :title "My document" ] :author [ :name "Bob" ] . 23:37:03 stupid noun clauses 23:37:12 * AaronSw smacks sbp, again 23:37:21 :-) 23:38:31 Gotta run 23:39:41 Ugh 23:39:44 bue 23:39:45 err bye 23:41:32 sbp has quit 23:41:59 Well, the day is almost over and I've done everything I needed to do today. Wow. 23:47:27 Definitely a first.