IRC log of swhack on 2001-09-07

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Users on #swhack: logster @sbp AaronSw deltab
00:29:01 [AaronSw]
Hmm, I wonder why logster keeps quitting like that.
00:31:18 [sbp]
Give it a slap
00:31:41 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw slaps logster around a bit with a large trout
00:31:45 [sbp]
Hmm... doesn't mIRC have some utility for doing that?
00:31:47 [sbp]
* sbp slaps logster around a bit with a large trout
00:31:53 [AaronSw]
My IRC client added that feature recently.
00:31:55 [sbp]
apparently so, yes
00:32:03 [AaronSw]
A ripoff of mIRC I suppose.
00:32:10 [sbp]
indubidably
00:32:19 [sbp]
dear fellow
00:32:39 [AaronSw]
:-)
00:32:59 [sbp]
Eh? Know what I mean? Nudge, nudge, wink, wink: say no more!
00:33:25 [AaronSw]
You and Monty Python...
00:33:28 [sbp]
And now for something completely different... a man with three buttocks
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* AaronSw adds logging to logster
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('indubitably')
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heh
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topic is: THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK
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Users on #swhack: logster sbp AaronSw deltab
00:35:48 [sbp]
How To Recognize Different Types Of Trees From Quite A Long Way Away: Number 1
00:35:49 [sbp]
The Larch
00:35:52 [AaronSw]
Number 1
00:35:57 [sbp]
(swip, swip)
00:35:57 [AaronSw]
The Larch
00:35:59 [sbp]
The Larch
00:36:09 [sbp]
I was saying that for days after I first saw it...
00:36:17 [AaronSw]
So were my brothers...
00:36:20 [sbp]
:-)
00:36:23 [AaronSw]
deltab, no now I'm logging the program myself so I can see why it keeps dying.
00:37:28 [sbp]
So, Aaron, how many sheds do you have?
00:37:46 [AaronSw]
eh?
00:37:54 [AaronSw]
sheds?
00:38:01 [sbp]
Yeah... how many?
00:38:23 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw senses a joke at his expense
00:39:18 [sbp]
not really, I just want to know how many sheds you have
00:39:38 [AaronSw]
What would you say if I said only one?
00:40:07 [sbp]
You have one shed?
00:40:24 [AaronSw]
No, I'm just asking what you would say if I said that I had only one.
00:40:42 [sbp]
Well, I can't really tell until you say it, can I?
00:41:45 [AaronSw]
I don't see why.
00:42:10 [sbp]
because there's a quantum uncertaintay as to what I'd say. You can't tell until it happens
00:42:48 [AaronSw]
What's a shed?
00:43:16 [sbp]
Don't play dumb with me! It's a hut-like structure that one keeps the tools in
00:43:26 [sbp]
Y'know, a shed shed
00:43:38 [AaronSw]
So a tool-shed?
00:43:58 [sbp]
Oh, you Americans crack me up... yes, a tool shed
00:44:01 [sbp]
a shed
00:44:16 [AaronSw]
I don't think I have a tool shed.
00:44:32 [sbp]
Fine, Aaron "no sheds" Swartz
00:44:41 [AaronSw]
Shoot, I knew he was going to do that.
00:44:46 [sbp]
He he he
00:44:56 [AaronSw]
But I'm supposed to be Aaron "one shed" Swartz, don't you see?
00:45:04 [sbp]
Buy a shed, then
00:45:19 [AaronSw]
No, then I'd be Aaron "two sheds" Swartz and that'd be no good.
00:45:37 [sbp]
That'd be perfect! Are you thinking of getting a new shed?
00:45:45 [AaronSw]
No!
00:45:52 [AaronSw]
I'm not even thinking of getting an old one!
00:46:02 [sbp]
why do they call you Aaron "two sheds" Swartz, then?
00:46:13 [AaronSw]
They don't! Sheesh.
00:46:35 [sbp]
* sbp wonders where Google-"no sheds"-r went
00:46:37 [AaronSw]
Hey, why don't you go visit twosheds.com or something.
00:46:56 [AaronSw]
"no sheds"? I did "sheds monty python" you dumbo.
00:46:59 [sbp]
Wow, kick ass
00:47:54 [sbp]
Do you mind if I call you Edward? Or Eddie-baby?
00:48:27 [AaronSw]
Why?
00:48:39 [sbp]
Hey, I'm the interviewer here
00:48:51 [sbp]
er... aren't I?
00:49:01 [AaronSw]
Umm, no.
00:49:02 [AaronSw]
Hey, did you see the Queen Mother died earlier today.
00:49:11 [sbp]
er, sure
00:49:26 [AaronSw]
Really, danbri told me all about it.
00:49:33 [AaronSw]
<danbri> [off] rumour on FoRK list: that the Queen Mother is dead. Anyone else heard this? (apart from on fork...?)
00:49:33 [AaronSw]
<AaronSw> [off] http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/20810.html
00:50:13 [sbp]
ah well, you can't believe everything that you read on FoRK
00:51:17 [AaronSw]
Or The Register.
00:51:28 [sbp]
OTR?
00:51:47 [AaronSw]
The Register, you know?
00:51:55 [sbp]
O?
00:52:00 [AaronSw]
"Biting the hand that feeds IT" and all that
00:52:13 [sbp]
and all that IT entails?
00:52:18 [AaronSw]
you can't believe everything that you read on FoRK...or The Register.
00:52:23 [sbp]
What's love go to do with IT?
00:52:36 [AaronSw]
Nothing, apparently.
00:53:50 [AaronSw]
Sean's always good for cheering me up, aren't you, Sean? Now I'm so cheered up I might be able to start programming again.
00:53:59 [sbp]
affirmative
00:54:07 [AaronSw]
Let me just get rid of this beer bottle...
00:54:16 [AaronSw]
Oh, that reminds me. Have you seen http://validator.w3.org:8001/ ?
00:54:49 [sbp]
I have now
00:54:51 [AaronSw]
And http://tidy.sourceforge.net/ for that matter.
00:55:18 [sbp]
Aaaaaaargh! Not open source!
00:55:27 [AaronSw]
I said that you might be able to do CSS for the new validator site.
00:55:31 [sbp]
That'll take the charm away: it's terrible!
00:55:39 [AaronSw]
why?
00:55:42 [AaronSw]
<AaronSw> Heh. You should get Sean to do a nice stylesheet for you.
00:55:44 [sbp]
CSS: it certainly needs it
00:55:45 [AaronSw]
<xower> Sean...? Palmer?
00:55:52 [AaronSw]
<AaronSw> Yeah
00:55:52 [AaronSw]
<xower> Oh, he does a mean CSS then? (I just know him as the WAI Dude) :-)
00:55:52 [AaronSw]
<AaronSw> Yeah, he's good at it.
00:56:07 [sbp]
* sbp wonders where Aaron's getting these quotes from... scary
00:56:19 [sbp]
Tidy open source: very cool
00:56:28 [AaronSw]
Yeah, it would be if there wasn't a #validator on this network.
00:56:42 [sbp]
WAI Dude, he he he
00:56:45 [sbp]
Who's xower?
00:56:51 [AaronSw]
Terje Bless
00:57:06 [sbp]
ah, of course. Yes, he does know me as the WAI Dude
00:57:16 [AaronSw]
How do you know him?
00:57:23 [sbp]
Where the smeggle was that, then?
00:57:32 [sbp]
He's an acquaintance
00:58:01 [AaronSw]
I told you, #validator on this network.
00:58:05 [sbp]
oh...
00:58:14 [sbp]
* sbp makes a little impromptu visit
00:58:28 [AaronSw]
Terje Bless, aka link, aka xover, aka xoverworked, aka xower
00:58:34 [sbp]
Packed
00:59:01 [sbp]
Pffff, I always knew deltab listened in on us :-)
00:59:08 [AaronSw]
lol
00:59:10 [deltab]
yup
00:59:12 [sbp]
:-)
00:59:20 [AaronSw]
Are we interesting, deltab?
00:59:33 [AaronSw]
MartinJD = Martin J. Duerst, if you didn't notice.
00:59:42 [AaronSw]
Now say "ooh!"
00:59:46 [sbp]
ooh!
00:59:53 [AaronSw]
See, I've got him.
00:59:54 [deltab]
Dürst, itym :-)
01:00:05 [AaronSw]
Aww, shut up smarypants. ;-)
01:00:22 [sbp]
yeah, exactly (I was just about to say that myself)
01:00:27 [sbp]
no really, I was
01:00:28 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw tries to think of a word that uses é.
01:00:38 [sbp]
Qué?
01:00:42 [deltab]
actually if we used UTF-8 that wouldn't work
01:01:11 [AaronSw]
¿Qué Dürst?
01:01:20 [sbp]
* sbp marvels at how the name "Dürst" is synonymous with "UTF-8"
01:01:31 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw shows off his m2d l2nguage sk11lz
01:01:39 [sbp]
ugh
01:02:05 [AaronSw]
Are you encoding that page in Dürst?
01:02:16 [sbp]
lol
01:02:32 [AaronSw]
No, I prefer Durst. (iso-88596-1)
01:02:51 [AaronSw]
Well, you might as well throw up your hands and use Duerst then! (ascii)
01:03:46 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw wonders if logger is ketching these sublties of langúage
01:04:46 [sbp]
iso-88596-1: that's a new one
01:05:15 [AaronSw]
You can shut up too, smartypants.
01:05:41 [sbp]
He he he
01:05:45 [AaronSw]
Hmm, apparently logger is.
01:06:13 [deltab]
* deltab wonders why the links on that page are white
01:06:26 [AaronSw]
What page?
01:06:44 [deltab]
on http://validator.w3.org:8001/
01:06:58 [sbp]
«°$©|+¥ýÉë¥t@¦îî¦ð»?
01:07:04 [AaronSw]
Do you see them as white? Please report it to #validator.
01:07:26 [deltab]
I do, and I can't figure out why
01:07:26 [AaronSw]
Geez, thanks sbp -- now you've given logster a heart-attack.
01:07:33 [AaronSw]
Must be a CSS bug.
01:07:41 [sbp]
heh: a img {color: white} /* The only way to hide the border in NS 4.x */
01:07:44 [deltab]
my browser don't know css at all
01:08:01 [AaronSw]
odd.
01:08:12 [AaronSw]
What're you using?
01:08:16 [deltab]
Links
01:08:27 [AaronSw]
Doesn't that show everything as white?
01:09:00 [deltab]
no, by default normal text is light grey and links are cyan
01:09:19 [sbp]
Just imagine that the page has been snowed on
01:09:19 [deltab]
I don't see anything that's overriding that
01:09:39 [sbp]
Well, it could be the a img {color: white} bit
01:10:01 [AaronSw]
If Sean was born hundreds of years ago, he would have invented religious myths. Now he just invents them for browser incompatibility.
01:10:15 [sbp]
Yes!
01:10:22 [sbp]
which just goes to prove the biggest axiom of the World Wide Web: Never support NS4.x
01:10:43 [AaronSw]
Heh, you better get Tim to add that to /DesignIssues/Axioms ;-)
01:11:55 [sbp]
I'd try if I didn't think he'd shout at me
01:12:12 [AaronSw]
:-)
01:12:39 [sbp]
I can't believe that there are still people in the world using Ns4.x
01:12:47 [AaronSw]
Heh, conversation with my Dad:
01:13:03 [AaronSw]
> My browser, which renders most pages just fine couldn't render this page the other day.
01:13:07 [AaronSw]
What browser do you use?
01:13:16 [AaronSw]
> Umm... Netscape 4.7, I think.
01:13:38 [sbp]
Aaaaaargh! See what I mean?
01:13:38 [AaronSw]
And you think it renders most pages just fine?
01:14:08 [deltab]
it would have been better as Never write NS4.x
01:20:16 [AaronSw]
Coming soon from Microsoft:
01:20:21 [AaronSw]
Freuddy.NET
01:20:23 [AaronSw]
will chart you an instant psichological report of a desired
01:20:23 [AaronSw]
person. Its brother, BonddyJames.NET, will report you a
01:20:23 [AaronSw]
complete biography. The Ciberpolitan Magazine will run a modified
01:20:23 [AaronSw]
version of the Psigooglogist service, the Lovely.NET to find
01:20:23 [AaronSw]
your ideal mate.
01:21:16 [sbp]
Neat, when are they going to be releasing that?
01:21:42 [AaronSw]
Well they
01:22:08 [AaronSw]
Well they're collecting data from usage of Windows ME and XP, so it should be out in the version after that.
01:22:56 [sbp]
Ah, not long then
01:25:21 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw puts on Bohemian Rhapsody
01:25:55 [sbp]
* sbp plays "Sun King" on his guitar, rather quietly
01:26:34 [AaronSw]
Sean, have you looked at the RDFStore/RDFSink internals?
01:27:13 [sbp]
nope. I was going to reverse engineer CWM
01:27:28 [AaronSw]
reverse engineer?
01:27:51 [sbp]
or backwards engineer
01:28:03 [sbp]
stripping it apart to find out how it works
01:28:12 [AaronSw]
I see.
01:28:44 [sbp]
* sbp plays the bass line from "Mean Mr. Mustard" on his guitar
01:30:00 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw wonders what AGSockError: 101 is
01:30:07 [sbp]
* sbp too
01:30:29 [sbp]
perhaps it's when you have 101 socks in your drawer, and wonder where the other one went?
01:31:19 [AaronSw]
lol
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03:18:20 [AaronSw]
"Dave Wiener has definently succeeded; Frontier and Radio Userland have been used to take weblogs to a new level, creating a new artform." - http://codinginparadise.org/
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23:00:37 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has changed the topic to: Are YOU a sequence-and-hierarchy chauvinist?
23:01:10 [sbp]
lol @ 22:17:40 <dmiles> Jan Grant.. hrrm should i be in love? .. the last Jan i fell for (Jan Weidlemaker) turned out to be a man
23:01:19 [AaronSw]
heheh
23:02:55 [sbp]
It is difficult over email though... how do you address formal letters when you don't know the gender of the person you're writing to?
23:04:03 [AaronSw]
Dear imakillermonkey2345@hotmailcom:
23:04:17 [sbp]
they'll think it's spam!
23:04:35 [AaronSw]
There are no formal letters in email.
23:04:45 [sbp]
sure there are
23:05:27 [AaronSw]
oierw reminds me of belly button, which reminds me of pupok (russian for belly button) which reminds me of Ian Clarke's ex-gf (whose nick is pupok) which reminds me of drugs.
23:05:53 [sbp]
oh, er... O.K.
23:07:21 [sbp]
nope
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nopity, nope nope
23:07:32 [AaronSw]
Ian Clarke is the creator/inventor of Freenet
23:07:36 [sbp]
it's a song I'm writing...
23:07:44 [sbp]
well, maybe it isn't... who can say?
23:07:50 [sbp]
Oh, really?
23:07:56 [sbp]
I had heard of him
23:08:10 [sbp]
based in Edinburgh, isn't he?
23:08:50 [AaronSw]
I think so, although he was in town recently.
23:08:53 [AaronSw]
He stopped by on IRC.
23:09:09 [sbp]
Ha, I was right: http://www.octayne.com/
23:09:17 [sbp]
Aw, I missed him. In #rdfig?
23:09:23 [AaronSw]
Nah, not #rdfig.
23:09:41 [AaronSw]
I got tired of waiting for google.com to load, so I wrote my own, but it's just as slow.. ugh
23:09:54 [sbp]
pardon me?
23:10:22 [AaronSw]
I visit google.com a lot, and the main page takes too long to load
23:10:26 [deltab]
tired of waiting for google to load?
23:10:26 [AaronSw]
so I wrote a simpler one
23:10:32 [AaronSw]
yes, google
23:10:33 [deltab]
really?
23:10:36 [AaronSw]
just the main page tho
23:10:41 [AaronSw]
the search results are much faster
23:10:42 [sbp]
Oh blimey, it doesn't take that long, surely!
23:10:47 [deltab]
how does it take too long to load?
23:10:54 [AaronSw]
It takes like two seconds or something! That's outrageous.
23:10:59 [deltab]
?!
23:11:22 [AaronSw]
Geez, 5 seconds!
23:11:23 [sbp]
* sbp reminds deltab that he's talking to Aaron "two monitors" Swartz
23:11:40 [AaronSw]
I visit Google a lot. That adds up, you know.
23:11:45 [deltab]
I thought it was "no sheds"?
23:11:49 [AaronSw]
Oh, so you gave up on sheds, huh?
23:12:00 [deltab]
AaronSw: so do I, and it's virtually instant
23:12:18 [AaronSw]
You do what?
23:12:42 [deltab]
use google a lot
23:12:53 [sbp]
yeah, me too. I never have any problems with it
23:13:00 [AaronSw]
Ahh, I just counted it. It's like five seconds. Maybe it's my ArchiverProxy?
23:13:13 [sbp]
I have Google on my favourites bar, so it's even faster
23:13:18 [sbp]
yes, it could be
23:13:26 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw can type google.com pretty fast
23:13:35 [sbp]
can you disable certain sites?
23:13:37 [sbp]
google.com
23:13:39 [sbp]
google.com
23:13:41 [sbp]
google.com
23:13:48 [sbp]
Hmm...
23:13:54 [deltab]
and you say your faster page isn't much faster?
23:14:25 [sbp]
is your faster page on the local drive? Why don't you try that, if not?
23:14:34 [AaronSw]
It is on the local drive.
23:14:34 [AaronSw]
Yeah, it's like two seconds.
23:14:46 [AaronSw]
I've visited google 489 since I started my proxy.
23:14:51 [sbp]
heh
23:14:58 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw deletes it
23:15:01 [AaronSw]
that takes a while
23:15:07 [AaronSw]
a long while
23:15:12 [AaronSw]
la de da de da
23:15:14 [AaronSw]
done
23:15:23 [sbp]
* sbp likes the interlude music
23:15:27 [AaronSw]
ahh, much better
23:15:35 [sbp]
3 seconds?
23:15:39 [sbp]
sub-3 seconds?
23:15:40 [AaronSw]
Hmm, wonder what in the proxy is causing the slowdown -- probably the file loop
23:15:52 [deltab]
directory scanning perhaps?
23:15:53 [AaronSw]
3 seconds
23:16:00 [AaronSw]
yes, must be directory scanning
23:16:10 [deltab]
takes five minutes to read the dir tav's mail is in
23:16:16 [sbp]
* sbp loads Netscape6 to see hoe fast Google loads...
23:16:18 [AaronSw]
how long do you think it takes to loop thru 1000 files?
23:16:47 [sbp]
Pff... 4.45 seconds from scratch
23:17:16 [sbp]
0.93 cached
23:17:22 [sbp]
but IE5.5 is a lot faster
23:18:19 [AaronSw]
well, well curl only takes 0m0.658s
23:18:25 [AaronSw]
so there
23:18:51 [AaronSw]
sheesh, lynx takes real 0m2.591s
23:19:07 [AaronSw]
real 0m0.912s cached
23:21:51 [AaronSw]
Hmm, Jungle ain't bad.
23:22:21 [sbp]
Speed Garage is better
23:23:03 [sbp]
and I still mean better in the pejorative sense (if there is one)
23:23:15 [AaronSw]
Hmm, have a feed?
23:23:24 [sbp]
not personally, no
23:24:36 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw hates scripts that leave locked mutexes lying around.
23:25:02 [AaronSw]
Hmm, that reminds me of something funny -- when I was at dinner with RDF Core, I kept wanting to make /me comments in the conversation!
23:25:03 [sbp]
you should compile a pet hates list. Now that I'd like to read
23:25:16 [AaronSw]
1. Sean B.
23:25:19 [sbp]
yeah! Oh boy, I have the same problem... it's weird
23:25:33 [sbp]
* sbp was referring to /me rather than Sean B.
23:25:38 [AaronSw]
heh
23:25:49 [AaronSw]
As I was saying 1. Sean B. djkklkdkld
23:25:51 [AaronSw]
ow!
23:26:22 [AaronSw]
But yet, can you define the difference between a /me comment and a normal one?
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* sbp thinks that a normal one is nothing compared to a /me comment
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* AaronSw finds Jungle music makes him type faster
23:29:20 [sbp]
heh
23:31:02 [AaronSw]
logger, grep -i hate
23:31:10 [AaronSw]
loggster, grep -i hate
23:31:15 [AaronSw]
logster, grep -i hate
23:31:16 [logster]
I'm logging. I found 17 answers for 'hate' (showing 0...4)
23:31:17 [logster]
0) 2001-09-07 23:31:15 <AaronSw> logster, grep -i hate
23:31:18 [logster]
1) 2001-09-07 23:31:10 <AaronSw> loggster, grep -i hate
23:31:19 [logster]
2) 2001-09-07 23:31:02 <AaronSw> logger, grep -i hate
23:31:20 [logster]
3) 2001-09-07 23:25:03 <sbp> you should compile a pet hates list. Now that I'd like to read
23:31:21 [logster]
4) 2001-09-07 23:24:36 <AaronSw> * AaronSw hates scripts that leave locked mutexes lying around.
23:31:21 [AaronSw]
pfft
23:31:36 [AaronSw]
logster, grep 5-17 -i hate
23:31:36 [logster]
I'm logging. I found 4 answers for '-i hate' (showing 5...4)
23:31:53 [AaronSw]
logster, grep 5-10 -i hate
23:31:53 [logster]
I'm logging. I found 5 answers for '-i hate' (showing 5...5)
23:32:01 [AaronSw]
logster, grep -i 5-10 hate
23:32:02 [logster]
I'm logging. I found 20 answers for 'hate' (showing 5...10)
23:32:03 [logster]
5) 2001-09-07 23:31:02 <AaronSw> logger, grep -i hate
23:32:04 [logster]
6) 2001-09-07 23:25:03 <sbp> you should compile a pet hates list. Now that I'd like to read
23:32:05 [logster]
7) 2001-09-07 23:24:36 <AaronSw> * AaronSw hates scripts that leave locked mutexes lying around.
23:32:06 [logster]
8) 2001-09-02 02:22:54 <sbp> Whatever happened to xml:style?
23:32:07 [logster]
9) 2001-08-31 20:14:15 <AaronSw> whatever
23:32:08 [logster]
10) 2001-08-31 03:20:58 <Morbus> nope. i hate phone calls too.
23:33:09 [sbp]
grep "Whatever happened to xml:style?"
23:33:20 [sbp]
for "hate"
23:33:23 [sbp]
go on
23:33:36 [sbp]
ah, w hate ver
23:33:53 [sbp]
* sbp smacks himself
23:34:18 [sbp]
well, now I'll just investigate PIM
23:35:08 [sbp]
good tip:-
23:35:09 [sbp]
[[[
23:35:15 [sbp]
]]] - http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2000/10/swap/pim/doc.n3?rev=1.4&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup
23:35:32 [sbp]
I should add that to /2001/08/swtips/
23:35:41 [AaronSw]
Yeah, that's a good one.
23:36:28 [sbp]
"My document" :author "Bob" .
23:36:55 [sbp]
[ :title "My document" ] :author [ :name "Bob" ] .
23:37:03 [sbp]
stupid noun clauses
23:37:12 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw smacks sbp, again
23:37:21 [sbp]
:-)
23:38:31 [sbp]
Gotta run
23:39:41 [AaronSw]
Ugh
23:39:44 [AaronSw]
bue
23:39:45 [AaronSw]
err bye
23:41:32 [sbp]
sbp has quit
23:41:59 [AaronSw]
Well, the day is almost over and I've done everything I needed to do today. Wow.
23:47:27 [AaronSw]
Definitely a first.