IRC log of swhack on 2001-08-31

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topic is: "Trying to fix HTML is like trying to graft arms and legs onto hamburger." - Ted Nelson | "I'd like to say thank you on behalf of the group and ourselves" - John Lennon
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Users on #swhack: logster tav AaronSw
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* AaronSw notes we're going off topic and invites Morbus to #swhack to continue the discussion
03:16:13 [AaronSw]
<Morbus> does mail store the mail in plain text files with no addtl markup? thats what i like about eudora.
03:16:15 [Morbus]
god, you use'd rage? bwahahah.
03:16:22 [AaronSw]
Apple Mail does.
03:16:34 [Morbus]
actually, thats ok. i used oe 4.0 before they ruined it with 4.5
03:16:39 [AaronSw]
'rage made me spend a long time to get my data back, and I still haven't done it all
03:16:54 [Morbus]
i think the main reason i didn't like Mail was because i couldn't seem to turn off html mail
03:17:02 [AaronSw]
oh, that's easy to fix.
03:17:08 [AaronSw]
(I was the same way at first)
03:17:26 [Morbus]
ah. well, i'll have to hit you up when 10.1 comes. i del'd it off my machine
03:17:32 [AaronSw]
heh
03:18:12 [Morbus]
did you ever try athena out? the new beta supports multiple connections
03:18:13 [AaronSw]
it's attachments suck, tho -- they're not compatible with anything, it seems
03:18:25 [Morbus]
does it have a filter to not download mail past 40k?
03:18:27 [AaronSw]
no, never did try athena... now that i've paid for snak I'm sorta stuck
03:18:35 [AaronSw]
mail filter: yes, and the size is configurable
03:18:37 [Morbus]
i have that in eudora - all those damn peskysircam people.
03:18:49 [AaronSw]
oh, right, you have 56K
03:18:59 [Morbus]
yah. and i have no desire to get faster :)
03:19:30 [AaronSw]
it's not so much "faster" as it's "always on"
03:20:09 [Morbus]
eh. just cron your machine to dial in a few minutes before you wake up or get home. works fine for me ;)
03:20:30 [AaronSw]
heh
03:20:49 [AaronSw]
i assume you have two phone lines?
03:20:58 [Morbus]
nope. i hate phone calls too.
03:21:05 [Morbus]
i find phonebasher.com intensely hilarious
03:21:13 [AaronSw]
cool, phones suck
03:21:22 [Morbus]
yeah, man, they do. flipping piss me off.
03:21:36 [Morbus]
huh. interesting.
03:21:54 [AaronSw]
what is?
03:21:58 [Morbus]
os x will allow me to play an mp3 in a finder window on one file, but not on another file with the same type/creator and extnsion
03:22:15 [Morbus]
oh. duh. nevermind.
03:22:27 [Morbus]
i suppose, yes, it is a good idea, not to let the user try to play a 0byte mp3.
03:23:01 [AaronSw]
:-) crashed some mp3 software that way
03:23:07 [Morbus]
heheh...
03:24:43 [Morbus]
i'm still trying to find some sort of mp3 player that will allow me to query currently playing song.
03:24:51 [Morbus]
i wanna do one of those stupid "i'm listenign to" things
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for a webpage
03:25:03 [Morbus]
or an rss item.
03:26:11 [AaronSw]
ahh
03:27:26 [Morbus]
finally found a xp napster alternative that works too.
03:28:30 [AaronSw]
ah, what?
03:28:34 [AaronSw]
i've been using audiogalaxy
03:28:38 [Morbus]
same here :)
03:28:46 [Morbus]
thats the one i "found".
03:28:47 [AaronSw]
do they have an os x version?
03:28:51 [Morbus]
yup.
03:28:55 [AaronSw]
oh cooL!
03:28:57 [Morbus]
well, no, they don't.
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but someone hacked one up.
03:29:06 [Morbus]
macsatellite over at versiontracker
03:29:10 [AaronSw]
nice... i've been forwarding thru my linux box
03:29:25 [Morbus]
a little quirky - don't drag and drop over it cos it'll crash immediately.
03:29:37 [Morbus]
other than that, it doesn't support osx long filenames, but works fine.
03:29:47 [Morbus]
been using it for three days now, no probs.
03:29:55 [AaronSw]
great
03:30:07 [Morbus]
oh, and there are connection problems too. i have to constanty try connectin - probably about 30 times before i finally get in.
03:30:16 [Morbus]
but i dunno if that's ag or the program itself
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Bonjour, misuer Sean
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miseuer
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whatever
20:14:26 [AaronSw]
How's it going, sbp? ;)
20:14:49 [sbp]
lol, fine thanks
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Still churning out stuff about RDF from XHTML
20:15:15 [AaronSw]
I've noticed it's your new passion. ;)
20:15:32 [sbp]
Well, once you come up with a good idea, you can't let it get away
20:15:41 [AaronSw]
So true
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and this one is pretty fine, as they go
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tricky though... the W3C's XSLT service likes to barf on encoding issues
20:16:31 [AaronSw]
encoding issues, ick
20:25:30 [AaronSw]
Ooh, I'm mentioned: http://www.eastgate.com/Development/
20:25:39 [AaronSw]
That was a lot of fun. And they paid for lunch.
20:25:43 [AaronSw]
I should get photos up soon.
20:26:08 [sbp]
What did you talk about?
20:26:28 [AaronSw]
All sorts of things: Ceres, Hypertext theory, RDF, Ted Nelson, Legoland...
20:26:45 [AaronSw]
He mentioned this talk from HT01: "Wendy Hall on a vision of a semantic web that is Mostly Harm^H^H^H^HLinkless"
20:26:47 [sbp]
If you had a nickel for every time you're mentioned somewhere...
20:27:03 [AaronSw]
I could buy myself some ice-cream.
20:27:07 [sbp]
01 being 2001, I'm presuming
20:27:18 [sbp]
Oooooh, ice-cream
20:27:26 [AaronSw]
01=>2001, yes
20:28:14 [sbp]
How are we doing on SURF?
20:29:06 [AaronSw]
Hmm, that's a good question. What do you think?
20:29:34 [AaronSw]
I think we should submit it for a NOTE along with some RDF draft.
20:29:35 [sbp]
well, the thing looks fine. Just needs more junk supporting it; it's basically all there
20:30:14 [sbp]
crap, no support for literals or anon in the specification yet; we need to add that
20:30:24 [AaronSw]
Oh, yeah... you better
20:30:31 [sbp]
and XSD won't let you switch attributes. I think RELAXNG will, though
20:33:11 [AaronSw]
Where's the spec again?
20:35:50 [sbp]
http://purl.org/swag/surf
20:35:56 [sbp]
linked from there...
20:36:37 [sbp]
and since when did swag.semanticweb.org change to swag.webns.net???
20:36:52 [AaronSw]
Umm, when I moved the server and was waiting for the DNS to update.
20:37:04 [AaronSw]
I had to get Stefan to update it, and it took a few days.
20:37:08 [AaronSw]
I can change it back now if you want.
20:37:09 [sbp]
cool
20:37:20 [AaronSw]
Is that what you want?
20:37:37 [sbp]
any time; just looking for consistency. I doubt anyone will link to it anyway, and if they do, they should use the PURL
20:37:49 [AaronSw]
they both work.
20:37:49 [sbp]
but do they ever? do they fuck. stupid user agents
20:38:19 [sbp]
yeah, I mean that it's nice to have some consistency... you don't link to mirror sites usually unless the main site is down
20:38:34 [AaronSw]
it's not really a mirror, but I can change the purl
20:39:53 [sbp]
I don't mind really, I just noticed that it had changed and wondered if there was any big reason
20:40:03 [AaronSw]
now you know
20:42:14 [AaronSw]
Hmm, you don't really capitalize of or this in a title (as you did in SURF-spec)
20:42:38 [sbp]
It's a habit of mine. Dunno where I picked it up from
20:42:57 [sbp]
Playschool, probably
20:43:04 [AaronSw]
Perhaps your garden?
20:43:16 [sbp]
maybe
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[[[
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megacrud (UK) n an illegal crud shot where the squidger starts high above the intended wink on a pile which is being shot
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]]] - http://cpcug.org/user/rwtucker/tiddlywinks/lex-ktoo.html
22:10:32 [AaronSw]
huh?
22:11:02 [sbp]
Tiddlywinkers speak a whole different language, it seems
22:11:13 [AaronSw]
sure seems that way
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South Park teaches people that it's possible to make a time machine out of a duck and a microwave
22:11:44 [AaronSw]
lol
22:12:02 [sbp]
ah, you've got a new nickname
22:12:27 [AaronSw]
HWKA doesn't sound as good
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HWKA? Not bad - hukka
22:13:42 [AaronSw]
More like Hwika
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Maybe we can start a Hwiki?
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lol
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HWKI: He Who Knows It - For those who know
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ugh, that's painful
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