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00:54:41 <sbp> What was that Palm thing you mentioned again?
00:55:28 <AaronSw> The Handspring Visor.
00:55:40 <sbp> Odd name
00:55:48 <AaronSw> It's cool.
00:56:09 <AaronSw> Visor comes from the founder's small child's pronounciation of Advisor, as I recall.
00:56:33 <sbp> * sbp wonders where you got that factlet from
00:56:51 <sbp> Search on Google gives: http://www.coolpalmer.com/
00:56:56 <sbp> Neat URL!
00:57:04 <AaronSw> :-)
00:57:35 <sbp> Hmm... Visor isn't made by Palm
00:58:07 <AaronSw> No, it's made by Handspring.
00:58:18 <AaronSw> It's just like a Palm but clear. ;-)
00:58:19 <sbp> Of course. http://www.techexplained.com/deciphered/34.php
00:59:10 <sbp> Cool
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01:11:16 <AaronSw> "if the Internet Archive didn't exist, Gerald would invent it" -- Kynn, http://impressive.net/people/gerald/1999/01/http-archive/
01:11:55 <sbp> Yeah, I've come across that quote a few times
01:12:06 <AaronSw> Do you have an original cite for it?
01:12:19 <sbp> That's it
01:15:57 <sbp> * sbp investigates the PalmV
01:16:34 <sbp> Nice and expensive
01:16:42 <AaronSw> yep
01:16:46 <sbp> onto the PalmIII :-)
01:17:14 <AaronSw> At this rate I might as well send you the original Palm Pilot we have lying around... ;-)
01:18:43 <sbp> IIIxe looks good
01:19:26 <sbp> * sbp wonders how they handle
01:20:43 <AaronSw> What do you need a Palm for, anyway?
01:21:48 <sbp> I don't
01:22:53 <sbp> You're right, the HV does look the best
01:35:03 <sbp> What kind of software can you get for it?
01:35:24 <AaronSw> For the Palm?
01:35:25 <AaronSw> All sorts.
01:35:47 <sbp> For the PalmOS, yeah
01:35:56 <AaronSw> Do some searches... there's everything.
01:36:01 <AaronSw> There's even Python for the Palm.
01:36:19 <AaronSw> cwm on your palm! ;-)
01:36:29 <sbp> Great!
01:36:41 <sbp> * sbp does some of the suggested surfing
01:39:36 <sbp> Heh, V-Rally for the Handspring
01:41:19 <sbp> * sbp can tell he'd need 8MB
01:41:39 <sbp> Hey, Pippy: http://www.endeavors.com/pippy/
01:42:03 <sbp> Ugh, they're only up to 1.5.2
01:42:24 <sbp> an upgrade to Python 2.0 is "planned"
01:42:55 <sbp> What is the minimum requirement for CWM these days?
01:46:38 <AaronSw> In terms of what?
01:47:51 <sbp> Python version number
01:48:29 <AaronSw> Hmm, beats me.
01:51:10 <AaronSw> Wow, I'm really making progress with this archiver...
01:52:47 <sbp> Anything to show yet?
01:52:58 <AaronSw> Almost...
01:54:33 <sbp> Interesting: http://www.w3.org/2001/04/lrns
01:56:10 <sbp> Aha! Got an idea
01:56:52 <AaronSw> Python code to get the current W3CDTF time: time.strftime('%Y-%m-%dT%H:%M:%SZ',time.gmtime())
01:57:14 <sbp> Many thanks to: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-m12n-schema/
01:57:33 <sbp> Interesting... how did I do it in earl.py?
01:57:48 <AaronSw> This is W3CDTF, right? 2001-07-27T01:57:30Z
01:58:09 <AaronSw>  http://www.w3.org/2001/04/lrns is invalid
01:58:12 <AaronSw> err 404s
01:58:18 <sbp> That's the interesting bit :-)
01:58:29 <sbp> W3CDTF: I use ISO date format, as in XSD
01:58:36 <AaronSw> Why is it so interesting?
01:58:40 <sbp> timenow = time.time()
01:58:40 <sbp> timenow = time.gmtime(timenow)
01:58:40 <sbp> timenow = time.strftime('%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S', timenow)
01:58:40 <sbp> timenow = str(timenow)
01:58:51 <sbp> Hang on, I'm just sorting out the details
02:00:56 <sbp> Ugh, man that's terrible: the XHTMl XSD m12n schemata are full of text formatting instead of XML
02:01:08 <sbp> Those guys need a lesson in making well documented schemata
02:01:28 <sbp> Hmm... Daniel Austin. He's a pretty good guy really; I'm quite suprised
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15:49:14 <AaronSw> Welcome back, Sean
15:49:25 <AaronSw> You're just in time for relase 0.2 of the archiver - Time Bandit
15:49:36 <sbp> Neat
15:49:53 <AaronSw> http://logicerror.com/archiverProxy-code
15:51:36 <AaronSw> now it sticks all the files in a directory sorted by time
15:51:38 <sbp> What does it do now?
15:51:42 <sbp> Oh, thanks :-)
15:51:45 <AaronSw> :-)
15:52:19 <AaronSw> I'm trying to think of the best way to store the files
15:53:02 <AaronSw> I'll probably go with:
15:53:07 <sbp> Hmm... if I can get it running on Win98, I'm gonna somehow put them on CD
15:53:28 <AaronSw> <archive>/http/logicerror.com/80/path/foo/bar/
15:53:36 <AaronSw> Oh, it should definitely work on Win98...
15:54:36 <sbp> Neat, I think I'll start it up. What command line?
15:54:54 <AaronSw> first make an archive directory
15:55:07 <sbp> O.K.
15:55:10 <AaronSw> then do
15:55:14 <AaronSw> python Filename.py
15:55:19 <AaronSw> that's all
15:55:25 <sbp> Oh... wow, that's easy
15:55:30 <AaronSw> what version do you have?
15:55:40 <sbp> Of what?
15:55:48 <AaronSw> I just updated http://logicerror.com/archiverProxy-code so it should work on Windows -- i think it had a bug a second ago.
15:56:11 <sbp> O.K., I'll download it again
15:56:40 <sbp> Well, explorer's just crashed...
15:56:44 <AaronSw> Hmm...
15:56:46 <sbp> Ah, it's come back; phew
15:56:54 <sbp> (unrelated to the arcihver)
15:56:55 <AaronSw> Oh, and you have to set the proxy to 127.0.0.1:800
15:57:00 <AaronSw> err 8000
15:57:05 <AaronSw> 127.0.0.1:8000
15:57:11 <sbp> In the source code? Or what?
15:57:35 <AaronSw> In Internet Explorer.
15:57:52 <AaronSw> So it knows to go throught the proxy
15:58:04 <sbp> Ugh, O.K.
15:58:54 <sbp> * sbp sets up the proxy
15:59:02 <sbp> Why 8000?
15:59:36 <AaronSw> why not?
16:00:14 <sbp> :-)
16:00:17 <sbp> * sbp runs the file
16:00:27 <sbp> Bit to close to 80 for comfort?
16:01:03 <AaronSw> you can change it in the file
16:01:08 <sbp> It's either not working, or very slow
16:02:11 <AaronSw> Hmm... did you restart IE?
16:02:19 <sbp> No...
16:02:36 <sbp> * sbp restarts IE
16:03:27 <sbp> It's not working
16:03:53 <AaronSw> Hmm, what happened when you ran it?
16:04:52 <AaronSw> You can also open it up and set DEBUG_LEVEL to 2 and see what it says.
16:05:12 <sbp> THe program is running fine, but IE just isn't downloading pages
16:05:51 <AaronSw> Odd.
16:07:01 <AaronSw> What happens when you set the debug_level to 2?
16:07:07 <sbp> I'll try it
16:08:28 <sbp> Program runs, Google still won't load
16:08:38 <AaronSw> What does the program say?
16:09:10 <sbp> It doesn't say anything
16:09:50 <AaronSw> Really?
16:10:03 <AaronSw> And you changed the debug_level setting in the file?
16:10:32 <sbp> Yep
16:10:45 <sbp> I'll restart it
16:11:32 <sbp> As usual, it runs, giving no output, and IE won't load pages
16:12:34 <AaronSw> You actually changed the line, not add a new one, right?
16:12:36 <AaronSw> And you saved it?
16:12:42 <AaronSw> And you restarted the Python script?
16:12:53 <sbp> Yes, I just changed the "0" to "2", and restarted it
16:13:19 <sbp> DEBUG_LEVEL = 2
16:13:21 <sbp> ALLOW_DEBUG_ON_WIN32 = None
16:13:24 <AaronSw> Hmm...
16:13:26 <sbp> lol @ really full debugging, BTW
16:13:52 <AaronSw> Oh, you need to set ALLOW_DEBUG_ON_WIN32 to 1, sorry
16:14:10 <sbp> lol
16:14:15 <sbp> O.K., I'm doing it...
16:14:16 <AaronSw> :-)
16:14:24 <AaronSw> heh
16:14:33 <AaronSw> A sort of, duh! moment...
16:14:33 <sbp> Stopping external proxies:
16:14:49 <sbp> Could not connect to localhost 8000, oh well...
16:15:02 <sbp> Starting proxy on 127.0.0.1 port 8000
16:15:09 <sbp> Starting service...
16:15:09 <AaronSw> Starting service...
16:15:14 <sbp> Yes, that's it
16:15:28 <AaronSw> OK, now visit a page... does it come up with some sort of error?
16:15:39 <sbp> It just doesn't load. IE gets stuck
16:16:03 <AaronSw> Does it log an error, though?
16:16:06 <AaronSw> Does it log anything?
16:16:11 <AaronSw> the python script, i mean
16:16:18 <sbp> It doesn't do anything
16:16:27 <sbp> OH no, you're right, it is doing something
16:16:41 <AaronSw> Does it say any sort of error?
16:16:49 <sbp> uncaptured python exception
16:16:56 <AaronSw> Ooh, ooh, what?
16:17:47 <sbp> I'll DCC you the screen shot
16:17:51 <AaronSw> ok
16:18:29 <sbp> hello?
16:18:41 <AaronSw> ok
16:18:56 <sbp> er, I'm sending it
16:19:17 <sbp> are you going to acknowledge before it times out, perhaps?
16:19:24 <AaronSw> i thought i did...
16:19:31 <sbp> try again
16:20:06 <sbp> hello?
16:20:06 <AaronSw> send it
16:20:09 <sbp> I am!
16:20:09 <AaronSw> you cancelled
16:20:19 <sbp> Ugh, I'll send it again
16:20:33 <sbp> O.K., now
16:20:47 <sbp> For some reason, it says you're sleeping
16:20:52 <AaronSw> hold on...
16:21:06 <AaronSw> try now
16:22:13 <AaronSw> is it coming?
16:23:11 <AaronSw> You sure you downloaded the new version?
16:23:29 <sbp> Yes
16:23:55 <AaronSw> do you have this line:
16:24:00 <AaronSw>         f = open(os.path.join('archive',str(time.time())), 'w')
16:24:12 <sbp> no
16:24:21 <AaronSw> put it in after:
16:24:25 <AaronSw>  
16:24:32 <AaronSw>     if not archive_files.has_key(klass):
16:25:01 <sbp> replace:-        f = open('archive/'+str(time.time()), 'w') ?
16:25:05 <AaronSw> yep
16:25:12 <AaronSw>         f = open(os.path.join('archive',str(time.time())), 'w')
16:25:12 <sbp> done
16:25:17 <AaronSw> ok try now
16:25:23 <AaronSw> (you didn't have the new version)
16:25:33 <sbp> Blargh
16:26:29 <sbp> It bought up the same error as before
16:27:00 <AaronSw> really?
16:27:06 <AaronSw> exactly?
16:27:09 <sbp> IT says something about no such file or directory
16:27:20 <AaronSw> did you make the archive directory?
16:27:24 <AaronSw> next to the Python file?
16:27:36 <sbp> Yep, exacty
16:27:43 <sbp> Oh, *next* to the Python file
16:27:49 <AaronSw> :-)
16:28:05 <AaronSw> [~/Projects/cacher]$ ls   
16:28:05 <AaronSw> ArchiverProxy.py    archive
16:28:52 <sbp> * sbp runs again
16:29:41 <sbp> Slightly different problem this time
16:30:41 <sbp> "function requires at least one arguement"
16:30:50 <AaronSw> what function?
16:30:53 <sbp> Do I have to pass it the name of the directory or anything?
16:31:11 <AaronSw> nope
16:31:13 <sbp> exceptions.TypeError:function...
16:31:50 <AaronSw> which function?
16:32:52 <sbp> I've no idea. Want me to upload the file again?
16:33:00 <AaronSw> Could you?
16:33:02 <AaronSw> Thanks.
16:36:13 <AaronSw> Hmm, OK.
16:36:21 <AaronSw> You must have an older version of Python than me.
16:36:29 <sbp> I've got 2.0
16:36:35 <sbp> It's hardly "old"
16:36:37 <AaronSw> i've got 2.1
16:36:43 <AaronSw> something's a bit od...
16:36:57 <AaronSw> anyway, try fixing line 76.
16:37:06 <AaronSw> Replace it with:
16:37:07 <AaronSw>         f.write(url + ' ' + time.strftime('%Y-%m-%dT%H:%M:%SZ',time.gmtime(time.time())) + '\n')
16:37:23 <sbp> What is it now? I can't count lines
16:37:31 <AaronSw> It's the one that looks just like that.
16:37:37 <AaronSw> Except it doesn't have time.time()
16:37:47 <AaronSw> just stick a time.time() in there.
16:38:27 <sbp> Oh, good point. I noticed that oddity yesterday
16:39:22 <sbp> Hooray!
16:39:31 <AaronSw> It works?
16:39:32 <AaronSw> Cool!
16:39:35 <sbp> Yes!
16:39:37 <sbp> Thanks
16:39:47 <AaronSw> No problem -- thank you for debugging.
16:39:52 <sbp> No problem
16:41:14 <AaronSw> Now I need suggestions on how to store them...
16:41:34 <sbp> Yes. The file format is weird
16:41:48 <AaronSw> Do you like: <archive>/http/logicerror.com/80/path/foo/bar/ for a directory structure?
16:43:27 <sbp> Hmm... I'd like something like:-
16:43:27 <sbp> <archive>/2001-07/logicerror.com/path/
16:43:45 <AaronSw> See, the problem with dates is that they're hard to query
16:44:07 <sbp> That's true... I'm not really all that sure how I want it sorted
16:45:44 <AaronSw> What's wrong with the file format?
16:46:30 <AaronSw> Do you like: <archive>/http/logicerror.com/80/path/foo/bar.html/{1.html,1.headers}
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16:48:39 <AaronSw> Do you like: <archive>/http/logicerror.com/80/path/foo/bar.html/{1.html,1.headers}
16:49:13 <sbp> What's the bit in {} all about?
16:49:19 <sbp> Oh, versions
16:49:37 <AaronSw> err, it'll save two files for each version... a content file and a headers file.
16:49:41 <sbp> The problem is, I'm going to be periodically moving onto disc to free up my Hard Drive space
16:50:01 <AaronSw> Well, if you had a UNIX machine you could just do a find query.
16:50:18 <AaronSw> I could write a Python script to take out the old ones for you, though.
16:50:33 <sbp> That's not the issue: I mean that I'm just going to be copything that same stuff to disc all of the time... a bit messy
16:50:41 <sbp> (to the UNIX thing)
16:50:44 <sbp> and sure
16:50:47 <AaronSw> what same stuff?
16:50:55 <sbp> (to the script to take out oldthing)
16:51:17 <sbp> Well, I'm going to be clearing the archive all of the time, so it's going to fragment
16:51:33 <sbp> Actually, I guess it's not so bad
16:52:14 <sbp> Yep, go for that file format then
16:52:20 <AaronSw> cool
16:52:24 <sbp> and don't forget to add time.time() to the script!
16:52:32 <sbp> :-)
16:52:37 <sbp> Gotta run
16:52:37 <AaronSw> already did
16:52:41 <AaronSw> c'ya
16:52:41 <sbp> cool
16:52:43 <sbp> c'ya
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20:17:47 <AaronSw> Happiness is when you go to file a bug and realize that a new version just came out that fixed it.
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20:28:16 <AaronSw> Woohoo! http://logicerror.com/SWWS-plans
20:29:07 <sbp> Aha
20:29:22 <sbp> Heh, ECONOMY
20:29:46 <AaronSw> * AaronSw notes DanCon and em travel economy too.
20:29:50 <sbp> :-)
20:30:06 <sbp> I've got a few crappy xWebL-Aaron comments that I may as well get out of the way:-
20:30:06 <sbp> > (XLink was considered for this task and may still be
20:30:06 <sbp> > used in the future.)
20:30:06 <sbp> Why aren't you using XLink? It was built for exactly this purpose.
20:30:06 <sbp> > @rel ( QNAMES | DEFAULT: 'xWeb:role.link')
20:30:06 <sbp> The "xWeb:role.link" thing shouldn't be in quotes if it's a QName.
20:30:08 <sbp> > @title ( PCDATA )
20:30:10 <sbp> I thought you were going to make it an element to allow for Ruby? And
20:30:12 <sbp> why does it not discuss i18n (ruby/bdo/+) anywhere?
20:30:16 <sbp> > <a> the general inline phrasing element
20:30:18 <sbp> I'm now seriously confused by the content model when it gets to <par>,
20:30:20 <sbp> <annot>, and <a>. So I can't put titles, descriptions or summaries on
20:30:22 <sbp> <par> elements? And <a> still reminds me of HyperLinks. Even if you
20:30:24 <sbp> don't change it to <par>, make it <s> or some other unused character.
20:30:26 <sbp> > <par>and back to the <a>original</a> section</par>
20:30:28 <sbp> What's that all about? Why is there an <a> element around that word in
20:30:30 <sbp> that example?
20:30:32 <sbp> > It may contain any element but not text.
20:30:34 <sbp> (About <meta>); you need to be more clear. Can it take no text at any
20:30:36 <sbp> level? Examples would be nice.
20:30:38 <AaronSw> Can you send those by email?
20:30:38 <sbp> > ?
20:30:40 <sbp> What are all the question marks doing after the titles? It's rather
20:30:42 <sbp> confusing for people unfamiliar with Blogspace.
20:30:44 <sbp> [end junk]
20:30:46 <sbp> Do I have to?
20:30:55 <AaronSw> Please, otherwise I won't get to them.
20:31:00 <AaronSw> They're working on their demos / travel plans in #rdf-swws
20:31:01 <sbp> O.K.
20:31:10 <AaronSw> they = dancon, etc.
20:31:38 <sbp> Are you logging it?
20:31:45 <AaronSw> locally
20:31:49 <sbp> Could you send the the logs when they're done?
20:31:53 <AaronSw> sure
20:31:56 <sbp> cheers
20:31:58 <AaronSw> send me an email reminding me, please
20:32:00 <sbp> email sent, BTW
20:32:03 <sbp> Will do
20:32:32 <AaronSw> Oh, and we're switching over to the new IRC servers at 3AM tomorrow.
20:32:39 <AaronSw> So don't change your password, etc.
20:32:42 <sbp> Ah, neat
20:32:51 <sbp> What's the new server again?
20:33:02 <AaronSw> I don't recall...
20:33:12 <AaronSw> but they'll be installing it on all of these
20:33:25 <sbp> Uh huh
20:33:43 <sbp> How the archiving deeley coming along?
20:34:03 <sbp> s/How/How's
20:34:20 <AaronSw> Pretty good actually.
20:34:48 <AaronSw> I'm still working on the directory structure...
20:35:14 <sbp> Fine
20:35:38 <sbp> Hmm... we could come up with an XHTML profile for that classes that we transform xWebL into
20:35:51 <sbp> s/could/should
20:36:09 <AaronSw> Definitely.
20:36:46 <sbp> Oh, and I'm rethinking classes. Can you take a DCC chat?
20:36:59 <AaronSw> sure
20:37:35 <sbp> ping
20:37:41 <AaronSw> hmm, doesn't seem to be working...
20:37:53 <sbp> Ugh, your client must be busted again
20:37:58 <AaronSw> Try one more time..
20:38:07 <AaronSw> How do I accept
20:38:07 <sbp> O.K.
20:38:11 <AaronSw> How do I accept?
20:38:13 <sbp> I don't know!
20:38:19 <sbp> Have you got mIRC?
20:38:26 <AaronSw> Nope
20:38:32 <AaronSw> You can't hear me?
20:38:36 <sbp> Well, if you did, it would be blatantly obvious: a box comes up with y/n
20:38:36 <AaronSw> Why cam
20:38:48 <AaronSw> Heh... well it does come up and a new window opens
20:38:53 <AaronSw> but you can't seem to hear me, do you?
20:38:57 <sbp> Pardon me?
20:39:07 <AaronSw> I have a DCC chat: sbp window open.
20:39:14 <sbp> It disconnected
20:39:19 <sbp> aaaaargh!
20:39:45 <AaronSw> It says "connecting"
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20:39:55 <AaronSw> That's annoying!
20:40:03 <sbp> Oh man, damn thing
20:40:38 <sbp> Ugh, it won't do DCC? Well, that sucks
20:40:47 <AaronSw> Must be my firewall.
20:41:20 <sbp> Ugh, go into #sbp, and I'll paste it bit by bit
20:41:20 <AaronSw> Can't we do it over here.
20:41:33 <sbp> No, 'cause I haven't checked it or anything yet
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20:46:51 <AaronSw> * AaronSw wonders why random folks are forwarding him random emails...
20:48:54 <sbp> Ask them
20:50:33 <sbp> :-)
20:53:57 <sbp> Interesting: http://www.google.com/search?q=QNames+XHTML+RDF
20:54:14 <sbp> I wrote/edited two out of the top three results, which is good :-)
20:54:39 <sbp> In fact, 5/6!
20:54:45 <AaronSw> :-)
20:55:09 <sbp> Heh, that's pretty funny
20:55:30 <sbp> Ah, and look what's on te second page: http://www.google.com/search?q=QNames+XHTML+RDF&hl=en&safe=off&start=10&sa=N
20:56:05 <sbp> Ta da: http://www.google.com/search?q=xWebL&test=bsb&hl=en&safe=off
20:56:05 <AaronSw> :-)
20:56:20 <AaronSw> Ooh, look whose spec is better. ;-)
20:56:25 <sbp> Ugh, how is yours the first on the list!
20:56:27 <sbp> Damnit
20:56:44 <AaronSw> :-)
20:56:50 <sbp> Gotta run
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21:07:12 <sbp> ( first && shorter ) != better
21:07:56 <AaronSw> :-)
21:08:04 <AaronSw> You're just trying to run from the truth.
21:08:18 <sbp> Pfffffff
21:10:09 <sbp> switch to normal mode for a second, because I'm actually intregued
21:10:16 <sbp> Why aren't you using XLink?
21:10:31 <AaronSw> Umm, because I haven't read the spec -- you know that.
21:10:42 <sbp> Oh, cool
21:10:54 <AaronSw> It's on my TODO list.
21:11:09 <sbp> If that's really the only reason, I can just wait for you to read it, but if it were something else, PF would have to know about it
21:12:21 <AaronSw> Also, it's role doesn't support the type of information that I need. You really need REL and REV with QNames.
21:12:25 <sbp> * sbp notes that Daniel correctly put in class="proposed" in the new draft: phew
21:12:34 <AaronSw> :-)
21:12:48 <sbp> rev: perhaps extended XLinks would work
21:13:02 <sbp> I think XLink is fundamentally flawed in a number of areas...
21:13:31 <sbp> ...but everyone seems to support it so much
21:13:46 <AaronSw> Like who?
21:15:05 <sbp> Well, I don't think I've ever heard a bad word against it
21:15:18 <sbp> Everyone in PF seems to like it
21:15:26 <AaronSw> Hmm...
21:15:30 <sbp> XML-Dev people are always coming up with new uses for it
21:15:34 <sbp> Murray loves it
21:15:39 <AaronSw> Odd...
21:15:43 <sbp> People just like XLink for some reason
21:16:02 <sbp> First thing that strikes me is that simple links can't be modelled as extended links
21:16:35 <sbp> Well, it's not that I don't like it, I mean it's alright. but it could be better
21:18:20 <sbp> But the benefit you get from using XLink is that it's a W3C recommendation, and there are an increasing amount of XML tools that grok it
21:18:29 <sbp> People expect links now to be XLink
21:19:29 <sbp> Ooh, agenda for ERT
21:20:06 <sbp> Hmm... it's quite short
21:31:11 <AaronSw> * AaronSw tries out the new version of the archiver
21:31:13 <AaronSw> wish me luck!
21:32:22 <AaronSw> Cool, it works!
21:32:52 <sbp> O.K.
21:32:54 <AaronSw> http/www.python.org/doc/quickreference.html
21:32:57 <sbp> Neat!
21:33:16 <AaronSw> (and I was careful to stay windows-compatible)
21:33:35 <sbp> Thanks
21:33:55 <AaronSw> Now, I got to split the content and headers files...
21:35:15 <sbp> Do you have to log the files that aren't text/xxx??? Can we have a flag to turn that off?
21:35:37 <AaronSw> Umm, I suppose so...
21:35:59 <AaronSw> Although it won't really know what the format is until it's already created the file...
21:36:05 <AaronSw> I guess I can delete it...
22:00:46 <sbp> Yep
22:08:31 <sbp> sbp has quit
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22:26:20 <sbp> Get back Jo-Jo
22:29:48 <AaronSw> ;-)
22:29:58 <AaronSw> I could use some music...
22:32:03 <sbp> * sbp plays "Old Brown Shoe"
22:32:13 <sbp> I learned the bass riff for that the other day!
22:32:49 <AaronSw> cool!
22:33:43 <sbp> Quite fast
22:33:52 <sbp> Took a few listens
22:33:55 <sbp> Bit of practise
22:33:57 <sbp> Easy :-)
22:34:00 <AaronSw> :-)
22:48:15 <sbp> [[[
22:48:17 <sbp> If you want something more uniform, you could try setting the padding to something like 10px. Hey, do whatever you want. That's one of the benefits of being evil.
22:48:25 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/network/2000/07/21/magazine/css_anarchist.html
22:48:28 <sbp> he he he
22:48:28 <AaronSw> :-)
22:48:32 <AaronSw> heh
22:48:37 <AaronSw> He's good, I like him.
22:48:45 <sbp> [[[
22:48:47 <sbp> I was reading Tap the Power of Mozilla's User Stylesheets, by Andrew Wooldridge of Netscape, when I felt this eerie tickle on the back of my neck. It turned out to be my wife teasing me, but at the same time, I was getting ... thoughts.
22:48:50 <sbp> ]]] - ibid.
22:48:54 <sbp> Yep
23:01:05 <AaronSw> Awesome! The archiver is working!
23:01:09 <AaronSw> Will you test it for me?
23:01:26 <sbp> *sigh*
23:01:26 <sbp> yes
23:02:08 <AaronSw> ok, i'm uploading...
23:02:10 <sbp> * sbp notes his connection will go in a sec.; let me reconnect fist
23:02:15 <sbp> s/fist/first
23:02:21 <AaronSw> ok
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23:08:04 <AaronSw> Thanks for coming back. ;-)
23:08:10 <AaronSw> Version 0.3: http://logicerror.com/archiverProxy-code
23:08:11 <sbp> np
23:08:26 <AaronSw> With actual directory structure, and separation of headers and content.
23:08:36 <AaronSw> If it works for you, I'm sending it to fogo.
23:11:40 <sbp> * sbp sets it up
23:11:49 <sbp> does it delete GIFs etc. yet?
23:12:32 <AaronSw> Yeah, there's an option in the source code to.
23:12:42 <AaronSw> ARCHIVE_NON_TEXT = 1
23:12:52 <sbp> Ah, thanks
23:13:04 <sbp> So it's on by default?
23:13:30 <AaronSw> Err, it archives all files by default
23:13:39 <AaronSw> If you want it to delete them, set it to 0.
23:13:58 <sbp> Yep, done
23:14:33 <sbp> * sbp takes it for a spin
23:15:36 <sbp> Ooh, I'm the first (er... second) person to use it
23:15:39 <AaronSw> ;-)
23:15:41 <AaronSw> Does it work?
23:15:56 <AaronSw> (this version also makes directories for itself)
23:16:17 <sbp> No, it;'s barfed on: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?RecentChanges
23:16:44 <sbp> and why the "996275827.98" file names? Yuck
23:17:05 <AaronSw> Hmm, that page works for me.... what's wrong for you?
23:17:16 <AaronSw> TODO: Better file names
23:17:19 <AaronSw> what would you like?
23:17:36 <AaronSw> err, what file names would you like?
23:17:38 <sbp> Well, you're Mr. Let's keep it short and don't date stamp
23:17:43 <sbp> Why not 1, 2, 3 etc.?
23:17:56 <sbp> [BTW, this program kics-arse]
23:18:00 <sbp> er, kicks
23:18:01 <AaronSw> Because what happens when you delete 1?
23:18:06 <AaronSw> kicks: aww, thanks! ;-)
23:18:11 <sbp> What do you mean, delete 1?
23:18:20 <AaronSw> if you delete file 1, then the files get all out of order.
23:18:29 <sbp> Why would I delete file 1?
23:18:36 <AaronSw> You'd archive it to a CD.
23:18:46 <sbp> Ugh
23:19:22 <sbp> Well that's tough. I'm going to end up with /2001-07/http/... and /2001-08/http/ - I don't mind if the names within the whole lot conflict
23:19:45 <AaronSw> Hmm...
23:19:58 <sbp> e.g. I can have /2001-07/http/logicerror.com/index/1.html and /2001-08/http/logicerror.com/index/1.html no problem
23:20:04 <AaronSw> I'll work on some way to make them shorter...
23:20:14 <sbp> * sbp debugs the archiver
23:20:26 <AaronSw> Oh, right, I have to give them extensions... TODO
23:21:03 <sbp> It says no such file or directory for Wiki
23:21:10 <sbp> Can you try http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?RecentChanges for me?
23:21:20 <AaronSw> I tried it... it works...
23:21:33 <AaronSw> can you create a directory name wiki?recent
23:21:47 <sbp> On windows? No
23:21:48 <AaronSw> Ahh, I bet there's a rule in DOS against names like that...
23:21:51 <sbp> Yes
23:21:56 <AaronSw> What's the rule?
23:22:05 <sbp> No :, /, ? etc.
23:22:08 <sbp> I'll get the list...
23:22:12 <AaronSw> thanks
23:22:29 <sbp> \/:*?"<>|
23:22:58 <sbp> Can you make it so that if it fucks up, it still downloads the page, but just makes a note of it in a errors.txt file?
23:23:07 <sbp> TODO :-)
23:23:11 <AaronSw> :-)
23:23:52 <sbp> * sbp gets a cunning plan
23:24:04 <AaronSw> Can you make a directory with % in it?
23:24:08 <sbp> if I put this on D:\, I could simply use a CD-RW, and not worry about disc space
23:24:25 <sbp> % is fine
23:24:43 <sbp> But then I can't use CD's whilst browsing the Web... ugh
23:26:38 <AaronSw> Open python and type import os; os.name 
23:26:40 <AaronSw> for me, please
23:26:55 <robster> [GlobalNotice] Bye bye Espernet services, its been nice knowing you ;)
23:28:16 <sbp> nt
23:29:13 <AaronSw> NT?
23:29:23 <sbp> lower case, nt
23:29:29 <AaronSw> hmm, ok
23:29:36 <sbp> Yep, seems a bit odd
23:30:21 <AaronSw> OK, I've uploaded a new version that url-encodes those characters.
23:30:22 <AaronSw> Gotta run
23:30:26 <AaronSw> See you sunday
23:30:34 <sbp> Cheers, have a nice Saturday!
23:31:19 <AaronSw> bye
23:31:33 <AaronSw> send bug reports over email. ;-)
23:32:55 <sbp> O.K. :-)
23:32:58 <sbp> c'ya
23:43:09 <sbp> Aw, the file only had one small error. I managed to fix it myself with my wonderful, if limited, python knowledge
23:43:21 <sbp> (basically, because it's something I keep doing too)
23:43:49 <sbp> You use = instead of == :-)
23:47:25 <sbp> Ah crap, it's still not working on Wiki