IRC log of openacs on 2002-06-30

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00:12:52 [davb]
ick.
00:13:17 [davb]
even the good engineering school around here has a half-assed CS program AFAICT
00:13:38 [davb]
but they have an excellent hockey team.
00:25:23 [Infraphylax]
hey dave
00:31:27 [davb]
hi
00:37:53 [Infraphylax]
I added more pictures into my galleries
00:38:52 [davb]
cool
00:41:19 [davb]
those are good
00:42:03 [davb]
you should try some b+w. best way is to take a color photo, and in photoshop look at the seperate R G B channels, and pick the best one.
00:42:55 [Infraphylax]
i take all the stuff in color
00:43:06 [Infraphylax]
Easier to drop all the color info than to make some :)
00:43:16 [davb]
right, exactly.
00:43:37 [davb]
but instead of doing desaturate, just use one of the channels, it usually comes out better.
00:44:05 [Infraphylax]
oh
00:44:13 [Infraphylax]
you mean duo-tone it?
00:44:28 [davb]
not exactly.
00:44:37 [davb]
actually the built in photoshop duotones suck.
00:44:47 [davb]
there is a plugin that makes really excellent duotones.
00:47:29 [Infraphylax]
Bah can't find channels in PS7
00:49:01 [davb]
try window
00:49:17 [davb]
it should be in one of the tabbed palletts, usually with layers.
00:49:37 [Infraphylax]
yeah but I can't adjust them
00:50:05 [davb]
ah. i'm not in windows. i'll check sometime and let you know.
00:50:10 [davb]
i picked up that trick somewhere.
00:50:38 [Infraphylax]
I recall having slidy bars specifying how much there is of each color
00:51:23 [davb]
you can somewhere turn on and off each of the red, green, and blue channels.
00:51:31 [Infraphylax]
yeah I got that
00:51:36 [Infraphylax]
but there was also an adjustment
00:52:00 [davb]
i am sure there is, there is an adjustment for everything somewhere :)
00:52:52 [Infraphylax]
i know
00:52:58 [Infraphylax]
I should really get a Photoshop book
00:53:13 [davb]
yep
00:53:23 [davb]
classroom in a book by adobe
00:54:40 [Infraphylax]
It's not out yte :)
00:54:53 [davb]
darn.
00:55:06 [davb]
also the "Bible" books are good. IE Photoshop 7 Bible etc...
00:55:33 [davb]
wait, even better: Visual Quickstart Guide, short and tells you how to actually do stuff.
00:56:04 [Infraphylax]
:)
00:58:05 [Infraphylax]
This is a cool picture: http://www.pbase.com/image/2787475
01:00:01 [davb]
where was that?
01:01:22 [Infraphylax]
Not sure
01:01:26 [Infraphylax]
not in NY that's for sure
01:03:14 [davb]
oh, its not yours :)
01:03:35 [Infraphylax]
nope :(
01:04:30 [Infraphylax]
I don't know
01:04:35 [Infraphylax]
I wish I lived in a more wildered area
01:05:30 [davb]
where are all those woods you took pictures of?
01:05:52 [Infraphylax]
Wildlife sanctuary a few miles away
01:06:32 [Infraphylax]
but it has no mountains
01:06:40 [davb]
ah.
01:06:59 [Infraphylax]
and there's only so many pictures of chipmunks and rabbits you can take before it gets boring
01:09:47 [davb]
heh
01:09:58 [talli]
is it 10 or 11 pm?
01:10:07 [Infraphylax]
10
01:10:17 [Infraphylax]
Where's paje?
01:21:39 [Infraphylax]
Photoshop kicks ass
01:21:43 [Infraphylax]
I love custom actions
01:40:54 [davb]
i never tried, but the history is very useful.
01:41:00 [davb]
good night
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04:25:57 [jim]
hmm... brb
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11:54:21 [talli]
uh oh
11:54:26 [talli]
rbm is going to be unhappy today
12:01:19 [sash]
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12:01:27 [sash]
Why? Brazil won.
12:03:13 [sash]
Hangover?
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14:52:19 [talli]
anyeone home?
15:02:57 [Infraphylax]
yep
15:04:32 [Infraphylax]
Infraphylax is now known as Psychephylax
15:06:13 [Psychephylax]
Anyone?
15:07:29 [denshi]
I'm here, but just for a little while
15:08:27 [Psychephylax]
Cool
15:08:35 [Psychephylax]
Denshi-vanishing later?
15:09:22 [denshi]
in some language, that's a pun. but I don't follow
15:15:48 [nsadmin]
damn, I'm having trouble...
15:16:09 [nsadmin]
this user is typing at my keyboard and trying to get me to compile aolserver!
15:16:17 [nsadmin]
(j/k)
15:17:12 [nsadmin]
the trouble actually is, I'm building a service, and I'm the site-wide admin... does that info trickle down to package_ids?
15:17:43 [nsadmin]
(like, would [ad_permission_p -user_id $user_id $package_id "admin"] == "t"?)
15:18:20 [nsadmin]
erk.
15:18:24 [nsadmin]
got it...
15:18:48 [nsadmin]
ad_permission_p returns 0 or not 0, not 'f' or 't'
15:20:16 [nsadmin]
hehe :) that was it :)
15:20:32 [Psychephylax]
:)
15:21:19 [nsadmin]
that's the tcl one,,, now I'm gonna use the sql one, and I think that -is- 't' or 'f'
16:10:07 [nsadmin]
there, got all that working... now for editing...
17:02:27 [talli]
anyone alive?
17:26:00 [Psychephylax]
yes
18:02:46 [nsadmin]
coool, now I can add new ones :)
18:03:42 [nsadmin]
and when I log out of the service, I can see the list, but can't do anything to it...
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19:36:18 [Psychephylax]
:-D
20:23:26 [talli]
where is everyone today?
20:24:51 [talli]
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20:42:31 [talli]
is rbm partying all day?
20:47:54 [denshi]
I'm afraid we've corrupted rbm
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21:50:30 [denshi]
looks like the party is re-forming
21:50:53 [talli]
there's no party til paje is back
21:51:04 [davb]
hi denshi
21:53:18 [denshi]
http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news1101/talibanlist.html
21:53:18 [oacs-chump]
A: http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news1101/talibanlist.html from denshi
21:53:30 [denshi]
A:| Ten Bibilical Rules for Waging War
21:53:30 [oacs-chump]
titled item A
21:53:42 [denshi]
A: wholesome sunday edification
21:53:43 [oacs-chump]
added comment A1
21:55:15 [talli]
is that for real?
21:55:22 [talli]
or a satire site?
21:56:54 [denshi]
the site is satire. the quotes are probably real
21:57:01 [denshi]
gimme a sec to find a bible online
21:58:11 [talli]
no, i don't doubt that it's real
21:58:14 [denshi]
yeah, the quotes are legit. but it sounds like king james rather than something modern
21:58:38 [talli]
but i think taking those kinds of quotes out of context are as bad as taking quotes re: homosexuality out of context
21:58:56 [denshi]
oh, sure, but it's good clean^H^H^H^H fun
21:59:08 [talli]
that much could be true.
22:00:01 [denshi]
I think these kinds of bible satirists do this precisely because the freakish right wingers take everything out of context, and they want to show comparison
22:02:15 [talli]
yes, i think putting things in context is importnat
22:02:51 [talli]
the person who argued that muhammed was a pedophile certainly needs a kick in teh head
22:03:36 [denshi]
after kicking him in the head, we will replace him with a very small perl script
22:03:49 [talli]
but there's plenty in the bible that's worthwhile, as there is in the baghavad gita and koran. so satirizing the bible as opposed to satirizing the people who abuse the bible is a bit off, IMHO
22:04:38 [talli]
sure, as long as larry wall is down with his language being used to replace a christian preacher :)
22:04:54 [talli]
i think i know some of the people in larry wall's congregation, actually.
22:05:05 [talli]
i grew up in los altos, which is next door to mountain view, where larry wall lives
22:05:19 [talli]
larry wall seems to be a very thoughtful, albeit very weird, human
22:05:45 [talli]
i mean, a person who writes a language where the explicit goal is to let people solve problems in as many different way as possible has to be very tolerant
22:06:37 [denshi]
I think the whole point of the above is satirising people who *could* be replaced with a small perl script, who just regsub 'my religion' and 'other religions' in the appropriate vitriolic strings
22:07:45 [talli]
i agree. i just think it's pretty ironic you want to replace them with perl, a language written by a man who is *extremely* dedicated to christianity
22:07:58 [talli]
i was just making jokes about that
22:08:44 [denshi]
I think Wall would be fully behind scripting the elements of his religion that could be scripted.
22:08:51 [denshi]
I mean, he's just all about automation
22:09:00 [talli]
that's true
22:17:23 [denshi]
anyone know how the MPL (which nsd is under) departs from the GPL or LGPL?
22:19:30 [talli]
the MPL is a weird license that i don't entirely understand
22:19:37 [talli]
but basically, the idea is that you can do whatever you want with it
22:19:43 [denshi]
kick ass!
22:20:13 [talli]
with teh BSD license, AFAICT, you can either build it into a proprietary product or release any more code under only the BSD license
22:20:46 [talli]
with the MPL, you can package it in a proprietary app, release your code under the GPL or release it again under the MPL
22:20:53 [denshi]
my concern is porting apache code over, from the APL to the MPL
22:21:04 [talli]
i don't think you can do that
22:21:09 [talli]
i think it has to stay APL
22:21:32 [talli]
i don't understand the licenses that well, thoguh, so don't take what i have to say as absolute
22:21:33 [denshi]
no, I don't mean relicensing things I didn't write, just whether I can link them
22:21:37 [talli]
but, for instance, you can
22:21:49 [talli]
you can't take NetBSD, change some it, and release it GPL
22:21:49 [denshi]
for instance, you can't link really anything to a GPLed program
22:21:58 [talli]
right
22:22:08 [talli]
you can't link anything to it without making that stuff GPL
22:22:16 [denshi]
no, but you could GPL your module and link it to NetBSD
22:22:17 [denshi]
I think
22:23:17 [denshi]
you could also taunt rabid badgers
22:24:51 [talli]
yes, that you can do
22:25:02 [talli]
what are you trying to do?
22:25:10 [talli]
or what do you want to do?
23:13:29 [Psychephylax]
where's rbm?