00:08:59 <davb> hi
00:09:09 <davb> its too hot to be alive though...
00:26:34 <davb> talli?
00:28:06 <rbm> Inquizitophylax: around?
00:29:15 <rbm> Inquizitophylax: do you have the warranty certificate for this CPU? I think it fried.
00:29:26 <davb> :(
00:29:30 <rbm> ;-(
00:29:56 <davb> did it come with its own fan? I got a boxed Duron this weekend. 
00:30:10 <rbm> It came with the fan Inquizitophylax sent me :)
00:31:21 <rbm> davb: Hmmm, re: the tcl files I don't think so. The dbname is openacs.org-dev IIRC
00:31:42 <davb> ok. if you have a chance later, maybe we can test the user-migration script.
00:32:34 <Inquizitophylax> paje, seen rbm 
00:33:01 <Inquizitophylax> rbm, you fried it?!
00:33:15 <rbm> Inquizitophylax: _I_ didn't fry it. It fried itself.
00:33:23 <Inquizitophylax> How can it frie itself
00:33:26 <rbm> The temperature never went very high.
00:33:38 <Inquizitophylax> Oh
00:33:41 <rbm> Inquizitophylax: The same way many many Athlons go bad.
00:33:44 <Inquizitophylax> I probably know what happened
00:34:01 <Inquizitophylax> If you put so much thermal goo on it...it dripped over the L1 bridges probably
00:34:05 <rbm> My retailer friend said a good percentage of athlons go bad.
00:34:17 <davb> this beer is not cold enough...
00:34:26 <rbm> Inquizitophylax: That wasn't the problem.
00:34:47 <Inquizitophylax> Well, it failed :)
00:35:03 <rbm> So my question for you is, can I call AMD about it?
00:35:32 <Inquizitophylax> no
00:35:36 <rbm> Eeek
00:36:51 <Inquizitophylax> The serial number is in my name
00:37:33 <davb> rbm: i added a directory under www bboard-migr it has the migration scripts and stuff. the docs are in index.html
00:38:03 <rbm> Inquizitophylax: so can you call it or not?
00:38:18 <Inquizitophylax> You can call
00:38:21 <Inquizitophylax> you can pretend to be me
00:38:49 <Inquizitophylax> but when everything is settled you would have to ship it under my name with my return address and then I would have to re-ship it to you
00:39:12 <Inquizitophylax> Alternatively...You can ask your retailer friend to RMA it as a new sale
00:39:37 <Inquizitophylax> but then you can get into a mess of them checking serial numbers in some database...yada yada yada
00:39:40 <Inquizitophylax> All that good stuff
00:39:57 <Inquizitophylax> I did find a video card though but it's PCI
00:39:57 <rbm> hmmm, okay. I'll give them a call then.
00:40:07 <Inquizitophylax> What info do you need
00:40:20 <rbm> I have your name and address. Don't think I need anything else.
00:40:28 <Inquizitophylax> Serial number of the processor?
00:40:35 <rbm> Oh yeah, that :)
00:41:31 <Inquizitophylax> i don't get how it failed for you
00:41:37 <rbm> I don't either.
00:41:45 <Inquizitophylax> btw...According to them it was a one time replacement so I don't know how far you can get
00:41:46 <rbm> But as he said, many Athlons "just fail" (tm)
00:41:55 <Inquizitophylax> You also need the old RMA
00:42:31 <rbm> Well, I'll give it a try. If it doesn't work, I'll try to get my boss to buy me a CPU.
00:42:48 <Inquizitophylax> Just don't get me in trouble with AMD
00:42:52 <rbm> brb. gotta reboot.
00:43:10 <rbm> Inquizitophylax: If there's a chance I can get you in trouble, I won't even try. I don't want to cause you any trouble.
00:44:38 <Inquizitophylax> well, they can look up the serial number in the database and whatnot
00:45:13 <Inquizitophylax> I can just send you a Duron 950
00:46:36 <Inquizitophylax> anyway
00:46:46 <Inquizitophylax> I'm going home because I'm starving and I don't really want to be at work anymore
00:46:50 <Inquizitophylax> * Inquizitophylax goes home
01:21:59 <davb> good night
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12:53:34 <Inquizitophylax> meow!
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12:59:16 <Inquizitophylax> hey talli 
12:59:20 <Inquizitophylax> paje, stop it!
12:59:27 <Inquizitophylax> oh, paje ain't around
12:59:27 <talli> hey Inquizitophylax
12:59:31 <talli> any luck with gentoo?
12:59:33 <Inquizitophylax> what's new?
12:59:45 <Inquizitophylax> Haven't tried...I got home late last night so I just went to bed
12:59:53 <Inquizitophylax> I will have it conquered by this weekend
13:00:25 <talli> cool
13:00:42 <Inquizitophylax> yes
13:01:01 <Inquizitophylax> I can deal conquering linux...at least it doesn't crash every 3rd install
13:06:42 <Inquizitophylax> hmmm
13:06:54 <Inquizitophylax> I wonder if it's been 15 minutes and content is distributing itself
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13:39:33 <davb> hi
13:40:55 <rbm> oom
13:51:56 <talli> hey davb
13:52:03 <talli> can you come into #momentum for a sec?
14:08:13 <Inquizitophylax> gah
14:08:17 <Inquizitophylax> The demo stuff broke
14:10:18 <talli> where's davb ?
14:11:58 <Inquizitophylax> I made him fix my VOD demo system
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14:50:55 <denshi> * denshi pulls himself out of the primordial sleep and blinks at the bright lights of a new day
14:51:45 <talli> hey denshi
14:52:29 <denshi> * denshi slides back down
14:52:36 <talli> denshi: is there any chance that you might start building webdav into AOLserver before you get paid for it?
14:52:43 <talli> as an academic pursuit, perhaps?
14:52:49 <denshi> uhh... yes
14:53:01 <denshi> but it won't be production-ready in anyway shape or form
14:53:12 <talli> actually, i will ping the guy who is supposedly building a form of webdav
14:53:18 <denshi> and I can't start academic pursuits until I find some new work
14:53:47 <talli> cool
14:55:08 <talli> denshi: do you check dice.com?
14:55:36 <denshi> dice has been of middling help to me over the years
14:57:44 <denshi> do you have a preferred schedule for webDAV?
14:58:35 <talli> go to that project and tell them about dotlrn
14:59:04 <talli> seems like there's a lot of oracle work in austin
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15:53:11 <PascalS> hiya folks
15:53:28 <PascalS> is anyone with root permissions on openacs.org here now?
15:54:57 <rbm> hey pascal!
15:55:05 <rbm> I have, what's up?
15:55:54 <PascalS> I just posted something to the bboard, and I check on openacs.org and it's vulnerable.
15:56:13 <rbm> uh oh
15:56:19 <rbm> vulnerable to what?
15:56:22 <PascalS> You need to change the ownership of the files in /usr/local/aolserver/bin to root asap.
15:56:22 <Inquizitophylax> uh oh :)
15:56:34 <rbm> why root?
15:56:50 <Inquizitophylax> got root?
15:56:50 <PascalS> read the posting, it's quickest. 
15:57:15 <PascalS> http://openacs.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=00057s&topic_id=11&topic=OpenACS
15:57:16 <oacs-chump> A: http://openacs.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=00057s&topic_id=11&topic=OpenACS from PascalS
15:57:18 <rbm> ok
15:58:10 <PascalS> Sorry, I should have first alerted you.
15:59:18 <rbm> hmmmm, that makes sense
15:59:23 <PascalS> and while you are at it, the server config.tcl should be readable/writable only by root.
15:59:56 <Inquizitophylax> so your real name is PAscal?
16:00:14 <PascalS> uh, yea.
16:00:28 <PascalS> Inquizitophylax, not everyone needs a nickname.
16:00:40 <rbm> brb. boss called
16:13:05 <Inquizitophylax> Nah, I just thing that's really cool
16:13:33 <Inquizitophylax> You can walk around and when people ask you about your name you can just say..."Yeah, you know...my grandpa invented Pascal's triange" hehe
16:13:39 <Inquizitophylax> * Inquizitophylax goes to do work
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16:20:08 <PascalS> It's my first name, not my last, like 'Blaise Pascal'
16:20:37 <PascalS> Hi talli.
16:21:01 <talilee> hey PascalS
16:24:22 <talilee> does anyone know if KDE3 is in debian-unstable yet?
16:25:01 <PascalS> * PascalS has RH7.1
16:25:33 <rbm> PascalS: I've emailed the other gatekeepers about your post
16:25:53 <rbm> talilee: KDE3 won't be in until X 4.2 is in, and X 4.2 won't be in until Woody is released. 
16:25:54 <PascalS> And I just mailed ben, don an you some more
16:26:16 <rbm> PascalS: Next time send to gatekeepers@openacs.org. It's an alias.
16:26:42 <PascalS> rbm: Shall I resend that last message there?
16:26:48 <rbm> talilee: But there are unnofficial packages
16:26:54 <rbm> PascalS: no, that's fine
16:27:44 <rbm> talli: "deb http://frml.snt.utwente.nl/~remco/deb/kde3 ./" or <http://people.debian.org/~ccheney/> or http://calc.cx/kde.txt
16:27:48 <PascalS> rbm: can you log onto the box now and just change the perms before anyone actually finds a 3.2 exploit?
16:34:10 <rbm> doint it now
16:35:27 <rbm> are you sure AOLserver reads the config before dropping the root privs?
16:43:46 <talilee> this is truly awesome
16:43:47 <talilee> http://www.haypenny.com/archive/featurearchive/abigail/deamesharlan121001.html
16:43:48 <oacs-chump> B: http://www.haypenny.com/archive/featurearchive/abigail/deamesharlan121001.html from talilee
16:43:59 <talilee> bduell: 
16:43:59 <talilee> AT&T and Carrot Top
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17:28:01 <davb> http://dino.mozdev.org/
17:28:01 <oacs-chump> C: http://dino.mozdev.org/ from davb
17:28:15 <davb> C:|Dino! is based on mozilla with a focus on usability
17:28:15 <oacs-chump> titled item C
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18:50:10 <davb> anything happening this afternoon?
19:09:02 <rbm> you missed the action
19:13:26 <davb> heh
19:14:53 <davb> i am working on a patch to the search triggers to not index certain items. A searchable_p field is added to cr_revisions. Which if you so choose, you may populate with the value FALSE to signify not to index an item.
19:16:36 <davb> I also added to the actual search service contract another attribute, searchable_p that is it is set to false will tell the indexing code to skip that item. But I really think it is better to handle it in the triggers and not insert an item into the queue based on your application.
19:19:10 <davb> i suspect I will submit a patch.
19:19:31 <davb> here is a question will
19:20:01 <davb> if searchable_p <> FALSE return TRUE if searchable_p = NULL?
19:21:27 <davb> apparently not.
19:21:32 <davb> darn.
19:21:46 <davb> i will have to check for = TRUE or = NULL
19:21:54 <cro> In Oracle wouldn't you have to say "NVL(searchable_p, false, false)" or some such?
19:22:02 <cro> Is Pg the same way?
19:22:14 <davb> coalesce is pg, but basically yet.
19:22:28 <davb> but can i do that in an IF statement in pl/[pg]sql?
19:22:31 <cro> yeah--I forgot--I think Oracle has coalesce now too
19:22:33 <davb> i guess i'll try it :)
19:22:36 <davb> cool.
19:24:06 <davb> hmmm. i want TRUE if searchable P is true or NULL
19:24:19 <davb> so that if you decide not to set it, you items will be indexed.
19:25:48 <davb> aha.
19:25:54 <davb> it works, but reverse of yours.
19:26:05 <davb> coalesce(searchable_p, TRUE)
19:26:15 <davb> that makes my if much prettier
19:26:19 <cro> Off the top of my head--I probably got it backwards.
19:28:52 <davb> i can't wait until openacs drops support for pg 7.1. Create or replace is a beautiful thing :)
19:28:57 <davb> time to go home. bbl
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19:33:08 <talilee> hey cro
19:33:09 <talilee> que pasa?
19:34:26 <cro> nada amigo
19:34:46 <cro> tambien no hablo espanol
19:35:19 <cro> talilee: you cvs guru?
19:37:42 <talilee> i am a cvs guru like martha stewart is a day trader
19:39:06 <cro> hm.  http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,56358,00.html
19:39:25 <cro> any CVS gurus here?
19:39:43 <talilee> too bad paje's not here.
19:39:46 <talilee> he's pretty good with CVS
19:39:51 <cro> :-)
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19:43:23 <talilee> oh, well look who's here
19:43:27 <talilee> the cracker of OACS
19:43:32 <talilee> how's it going, traitor?
19:43:59 <talilee> PascalS: so how many babies have you eaten today?
19:44:03 <cro> * cro waves the full-disclosure flag.
19:44:20 <PascalS> What, 
19:44:21 <talilee> cro: et tu, brutus????
19:44:31 <cro> :-D
19:44:38 <PascalS> it's shoot the messenger now?!?
19:44:56 <talilee> only if the messenger is a terorista!
19:45:05 <talilee> PascalS == OACS terorista!
19:45:06 <PascalS> talilee: that sounds like noodles or something :))))
19:45:22 <cro> Oh look, here comes the Patriot Act.  AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
19:45:39 <PascalS> Good thing I live in the .nl, then.
19:45:53 <talilee> and you're a prostitute too!
19:45:54 <talilee> ?
19:45:59 <talilee> it never ends with you!
19:46:01 <PascalS> What, and how many people have actually installed it this way?
19:46:19 <PascalS> who's cro?
19:46:33 <cro> That would be me
19:46:38 <PascalS> duh.
19:48:32 <talilee> cro == CR Oldham
19:48:52 <PascalS> So, talli, are all your servers vulnerable?
19:48:56 <PascalS> or were?
19:49:18 <talilee> no, we don't develop with 3.2.5 anymore
19:49:29 <PascalS> It's not a 3.2.5 issue. 
19:49:30 <talilee> and we host with hub.org
19:49:35 <talilee> but i will tell my guys about it
19:50:05 <cro> yeah but I thought the flaw was in AOLserver itself, so even 4.5 could introduce a hole, right?
19:50:06 <PascalS> It's the server install thingy where you only need one webserver defacement to actually get root.
19:50:22 <PascalS> no, it's a flaw in the install guide.
19:50:33 <cro> right, I understand.
19:50:43 <cro> Pascal, you run Debian?
19:50:43 <PascalS> it's a problem with any program that root must run.
19:50:52 <PascalS> no. rh7
19:50:59 <PascalS> unfortunately
19:51:02 <talilee> i'm telling Luke about it
19:51:20 <PascalS> I started redhat, waaaaaaay back. Sort of hard to switch
19:51:31 <cro> Same with me, other way around.
19:52:00 <PascalS> I installed it once, but I have a hard enough time figuring out all the redhat tools.
19:52:08 <cro> no kidding.
19:52:10 <PascalS> I don't want to learn a whole new set
19:52:15 <cro> And it's becoming so graphical now...
19:52:45 <PascalS> Yes, and it's very hard to find some graphical interfaces you have at install time, but not when in use
19:53:00 <talilee> if you don't like graphical installs, try gentoo!
19:53:09 <talilee> the install is as byzantine as you can get
19:53:15 <talilee> but the docs are excellent
19:53:19 <PascalS> like diskdruid, fer example
19:53:24 <cro> And for us old time Unixheads, you never know anymore if you edit a config file if you are going to break a graphical tool somewhere.
19:53:59 <PascalS> Most are pretty okay. 
19:54:16 <PascalS> The only thing you mustn't do is re order files.
19:54:29 <PascalS> and use non standard syntax
19:54:34 <PascalS> like dropping quotes
19:55:14 <PascalS> So, talli, what brings you here twice?
19:55:45 <talilee> i forgot to close my IRC window at home
19:55:47 <talilee> i'm in te office now
19:56:07 <PascalS> Who is op here?
19:56:40 <PascalS> Ah, so you're using windows at home?
19:56:57 <talilee> nope. i use linux at both places
19:57:03 <talilee> but i can't log in to my computer at home
19:57:11 <talilee> dynamic IP
19:57:12 <PascalS> ah. Just ssh home and kill the irc client?
19:57:40 <talilee> I have ADSL at home and the provider is shitty
19:59:03 <PascalS> They block everything incomming?
20:02:51 <talilee> they just suck
20:02:56 <PascalS> :(
20:03:07 <PascalS> At least it's faster than a modem
20:07:24 <PascalS> ok. bye
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20:19:43 <rbm> talli: How's hub.org for hosting company?
20:30:05 <talilee> rbm: they're ok. we've had some issues but all of them have been solve
20:30:07 <talilee> solved
20:30:37 <rbm> talilee: what sort of issues?
20:30:47 <rbm> talilee: Thanks for bug-tracker. It rocks!
20:31:55 <talilee> rbm: just issues with connectivity and setup
20:32:07 <talilee> they are still ironing out this hosting stuff, form what i can gather
20:32:07 <rbm> do you have oacs 4 running there?
20:32:10 <talilee> yes
20:32:27 <rbm> Cool! I'll need some tips from you. I'll be putting an oacs 4 instance there in a week or two
20:38:38 <cro> talli: I recall some discussion from you here that said the VM setup was doing wierd things under load--did they fix that?
20:40:04 <rbm> cro: I sent an e-mail to them asking about htat
20:40:07 <rbm> that even
20:40:30 <cro> anyone know how many physical machines they have?
20:40:43 <rbm> I asked them that too :)
20:43:17 <Inquizitophylax> * Inquizitophylax goes home
20:47:53 <talilee> cro: i think so
20:48:14 <talilee> rbm: no prob about bugtracker. but i would love if you repayed us by extending the package!
20:48:33 <talilee> it could be a really great part of a project management tool
20:48:37 <rbm> talilee: what extensions are you looking for?
20:48:56 <talilee> well, we should start a dialogue on the boards about how to add things
20:49:02 <talilee> for one, it needs a better search interface
20:49:09 <talilee> lars should post his ideas about how to implement that
20:49:21 <talilee> also, if we could integrate it somehow with CVS it would be really nice
20:49:50 <talilee> perhaps best, though, is add a service contract for it so it could be used with new-portal
20:50:05 <talilee> that could be immediately implemented in the new oacs.org
20:50:48 <rbm> that'd be great
20:50:57 <talilee> yeah
20:51:19 <talilee> then you could have a nice interface for project management between a bboard portlet, a butracker portlet and a file manager portlet
20:52:18 <talilee> can the new ecommerce package be implemented within subsites?
20:52:30 <talilee> meaning each subsite can have it's own ecommerce package
20:55:52 <talilee> rbm: still there?
20:56:36 <talilee> i really don't know what people are talking about when they say *nix desktops have bad usability
20:56:41 <rbm> yeah
20:56:46 <talilee> i find them more useful than windows
20:56:50 <rbm> Yeah!
20:57:04 <rbm> talilee: I think it can, I haven't tried though
20:57:10 <talilee> ok, cool
21:00:36 <talilee> all right, gotta head out. talk to you guys later... as that fool talli
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21:50:57 <davb> howdy
21:51:03 <rbm> howdy pard'ner
21:51:12 <markd2> greetings
21:51:28 <rbm> what is thy bidding, my master
21:51:41 <rbm> s/thy/thine/?
21:53:07 <markd2> It's a disaster, skywalker we're after
22:02:10 <rbm> seen the dark side we have
22:03:34 <markd2> http://crazyapplerumors.com/2002_06_23_archive.htm#85204295
22:03:34 <oacs-chump> D: http://crazyapplerumors.com/2002_06_23_archive.htm#85204295 from markd2
22:03:47 <markd2> The Sims: Hardcore Action to be announced at Macworld NY
22:03:57 <markd2> D:|The Sims: Hardcore Action to be announced at Macworld NY
22:03:58 <oacs-chump> titled item D
22:04:04 <davb> excellent.
22:04:13 <davb> that will spice up the google referrers
22:16:27 <rbm> Inquizitophylax: hey, you here?
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23:06:19 <denshi> * denshi rises from the earth
23:06:29 <denshi> oooh... Sims
23:25:35 <davb> I am going to post my referrers one of these days so you guys can see what kind of people are searching google and finding the irc weblog for this channel.
23:26:51 <denshi> sounds fun
23:27:04 <denshi> do that today!
23:27:15 <rbm> I occasionally look at my referrers. It's interesting.
23:27:55 <denshi> my hits tripled today after lwn.net mentioned mod_scheme
23:28:31 <rbm> * rbm cheers denshi enthusiastically
23:28:54 <rbm> Now you have l33t sk1lls!
23:29:11 <rbm> you can spend years writing apache2 mods!
23:30:07 <denshi> uhh.. 2 weeks
23:30:16 <denshi> of course, the ns_scheme took about 3 hours...
23:30:27 <denshi> but then I'd already made all my mistakes on the first try
23:30:30 <davb> cool. is it available?
23:31:03 <rbm> denshi: I meant from now on, on a job or something, hence the l33t sk1lls
23:31:14 <davb> actually the referers aren't that bad, but I suspect that last item will change that.
23:31:36 <denshi> what last item?  Sims: Hardcore?
23:31:41 <davb> yes
23:31:49 <davb> :)
23:31:53 <rbm> It's weird developing for AOLserver 2.x with straight ns_db calls :)
23:32:39 <davb> http://www.thedesignexperience.org/webalizer/reports/
23:32:39 <oacs-chump> A: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/webalizer/reports/ from davb
23:32:43 <davb> have fun
23:33:36 <davb> rbm, can we try to migrate the users?
23:36:08 <davb> anyone want to listen to my plan for restricting what items get indexed?
23:36:18 <rbm> davb: Not now, I'm crunching to finish this report for work
23:36:36 <davb> ah. ok, proceed :)
23:36:44 <rbm> sorry
23:36:50 <davb> np
23:37:02 <rbm> I've been at work 11 hours already
23:37:03 <davb> work is a little more important
23:37:21 <rbm> I have to write a perl script :(
23:37:25 <davb> ack, finish up and go home! stop talking to us.
23:37:39 <rbm> Talking here keeps my sanity, since I'm dealing with Perl
23:37:51 <rbm> Perl is freaking nasty
23:38:19 <rbm> and I forgot my camel book at home
23:38:24 <rbm> I should go pick it up
23:38:29 <rbm> * rbm does so
23:39:27 <rbm> on second thought, I just need to find out how to open a file and read from it from perl. I should be able to find that online
23:42:47 <davb> hey!
23:42:50 <davb> i am annoyed.
23:43:01 <rbm> hacker! Leave those lists alone!
23:47:29 <rbm> How do you get command-line arguments in Perl?>
23:50:00 <davb> @ARGV
23:50:16 <davb> its an array of the command line arguments
23:50:23 <davb> I have PERL in a nutshell :)
23:50:27 <rbm> I remember that's an array. 
23:50:52 <rbm> Now how do you reference the elements and is the first argument 0 or 1?
23:51:05 <rbm> Probably 1 since it most likely follows C's convention
23:51:38 <rbm> ok, I know how to reference it.
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23:59:11 <denshi> hey, rbm, is paje in intensive care?
23:59:54 <denshi> bbl