00:00:09 Where's my date with Paula Abdul? 00:00:18 also, it'd be nice to use things like ns_db to avoid some of the crap out there, like PHP's db system 00:00:33 paje? 00:00:33 yes, Inquizitophylax? 00:00:37 Where's my date with Paula Abdul?! 00:00:45 pake, Where's my date with Paula Abdul?! 00:00:48 ack 00:00:51 ok I'll shut up now 00:00:53 denshi: yeah, i agree 00:00:55 * Inquizitophylax shuts his mouth 00:01:22 there are many people, like John Sequiera, who would have a much easier chance using OACS in a client gig if the only "weird" piece of the stack was tcl 00:01:36 * denshi smacks *phylax with an aging-pop-star 00:01:42 wooo 00:01:45 was she naked? 00:01:55 no, but she was petrified 00:02:03 purified? 00:02:06 Eh, close enough 00:02:51 denshi: if you need more marketable skills, swallow the pill and learn .net 00:03:03 the red or the blue pill? 00:03:28 the yellow pill 00:03:31 Ewww 00:04:06 you know, I think the .net winners are going to be good enough personal marketers that they could have done it with anything 00:04:57 one of my friends has been progging windows servers & data collection devices since '98, and he and his parent company haven't even done serious .net evaluation yet 00:05:14 um... becuase not even MS is using it yet? 00:05:25 everywhere I hear the same; that actualy adoption is really slow 00:05:35 well, that's not true 00:05:38 aren't they? 00:05:41 it's released 00:05:43 they just aren't using it for anythign important 00:05:50 like, they weren't using passport 00:05:58 well, yeah, that's what freeBSD is there for 00:06:19 :) 00:07:33 do you know any cool groups in Austin? 00:07:51 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-82.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 00:08:19 paje, attack dave! 00:08:19 Inquizitophylax: huh? 00:08:29 what kind of groups? 00:08:32 hi Inquizitophylax 00:08:32 Bite him, kick him!! come on, don't just stand there...he'll beat you up! 00:08:37 Hey dave 00:08:40 hey davb 00:08:44 mr bauer, many are the names by which you are hailed, but to you, I say..... OOOM 00:08:47 * Inquizitophylax attempts to teach paje judo 00:08:56 fight! 00:08:58 hi all! 00:08:58 talli: dev groups, companies, cool coders, the like 00:08:59 when we finish with the new OACS, we might want to think about offering it to the postgresql.org folks 00:09:08 neat 00:09:13 there are discussions on teh pg list about improving visibility 00:09:22 denshi: i don't know anyone down there, unfortuantely 00:09:40 perhaps we could do like the Anasazi do with their sand art, and destroy the new OACS when we finish it 00:10:06 i thought aD already did that. 00:10:23 lol 00:10:40 So how is Red hat treading aD? 00:11:23 I hear they're learning to like leather 00:11:29 ? 00:11:58 Well hopefully this won't take ages to compile 00:12:29 * denshi pokes Inquizitophylax with aD-brand bondage gear 00:12:37 talli has quit (Remote closed the connection) 00:13:43 kinky! 00:13:49 * Inquizitophylax runs away and hides behind paje 00:15:50 talli (~chatzilla@pool-162-83-238-204.ny5030.east.verizon.net) has joined #openacs 00:16:15 So, what do you people use for e-mail clients in *nix 00:16:49 i've been using mozilla's mail client lately 00:17:00 it's not that bad 00:17:10 i want something that can sort by date and remember that I want it sorted by date 00:17:12 mutt! 00:17:13 at least it's more stable than any of the others 00:17:18 mutt! 00:17:18 mutt is nice 00:17:26 sylpheed was good but it kept forgetting that I want to sort by date 00:17:31 but i really prefer graphical 00:17:45 mulberry works, but it can get clunky 00:17:48 I am waiting for denshi interwingle 00:17:56 or twingle or whatever 00:18:00 i am waiting for godot 00:18:17 and I'm waiting for my pizza 00:18:26 damn it...it's gonna be cold by the time they bring it here! 00:18:56 denshi: have you seen http://guests.evectors.it/zoe/ 00:19:01 hmmm 00:19:22 question 00:19:22 i think question is how does it feel to be a sex symbol? 00:19:29 it feels pretty good 00:19:30 its open-sourceish, apple public license/ 00:19:38 yes, but 1) it's OSX only, and 2) it's desktop 00:19:45 if I ssh into another linux box 00:19:58 how can I run some X apps from it (i'm running a *nix box) 00:20:06 I need a browser :( 00:20:23 denshi: ah. it is technically not osx only, but pratically it is :) 00:20:25 and I can't turn on any of my other computers because it will blow up the circuit breaker 00:20:40 denshi: then you most definitely will use HTML for presentation? 00:20:51 Inquizitophylax: how many computers do you have?? 00:20:59 4 00:21:05 and one that's my parents 00:21:10 i have 3, no problem. 00:21:14 all in the same circuit? 00:21:21 our whole house is on one damn circuit 00:21:28 that seems unsafe.... 00:21:44 I'm trying to burn it down...so far not successful in the last 4 years 00:21:50 I must disappear 00:21:53 there must be some electrician malpractice or something... 00:22:01 I blame them! 00:22:03 bye denshi 00:22:10 later denshi 00:22:23 * davb overloads content_revision__new 00:22:37 * Inquizitophylax overloads circuit_breaker_old 00:22:47 heh 00:22:56 It's not THAT bad 00:23:02 Inquizitophylax: is it jus your house? or do you share? 00:23:09 because 2 or 3 of my computers are on a UPS 00:23:34 but I'm not sure which ones and how well they work...and I'm not about to test out this theory while compiling system binaries 00:23:35 Inquizitophylax: which KVM do you use? 00:23:46 ah :) 00:23:59 dave: It's an apartment building (it's about 40 years old or so...) 00:24:06 ah. 00:24:07 talli: Belkin OmniCube 4 port 00:24:16 you like it? 00:24:39 Love it...a bit quirky with *nix systems at times but with 4 computers...it's excellent 00:24:56 yeah, i'd like a good KVM 00:25:04 but they can be such a pita 00:25:19 I had to recompile the FreeBSD kernel so that I don't get erratic mouse movement 00:25:23 i hate it when a box freezes because it lost it's conection to the keboard 00:25:26 after KVMing back and forth 00:25:39 However, Mandrake never had that problem 00:25:46 ah, ok 00:25:51 not sure about Gentoo though ... I'll find out soon enough though 00:26:14 I think it's something to do with the pointer.c or some other source for the mouse that makes it go flippity doo daa 00:26:32 You really can't go wrong with Belkin 00:26:40 We use them everywhere at work 00:27:49 Belkin also makes this cool KVM extender 00:27:56 uses cat5 for up to 500 feet 00:28:42 whoa 00:28:50 how does it work? 00:28:52 So you can have a remote console 500 feet away from your 16 port KVM and your 16 servers in the basement 00:29:06 The way we rigged it up at work 00:29:29 wow 00:29:41 and how do you switch boxes? 00:30:04 servers connect to a 16 port kvm...Then the KVM console out connects to the KVM extender and that has a cat5 cable to it..then stretched out some xx feet to the second kvm extender end and the monitor, mouse + keyboard go in there 00:30:34 so you have the switch at the kvm on your desk? 00:30:41 Well, on crappy KVM switches I would assume you have to come to the KVM 00:30:58 on the one we have I use scroll lock key and up/down arrows to scroll through the servers 00:31:05 very nice! 00:31:13 yup 00:31:22 what's the advantage over logging in via console, though? 00:31:23 beats having to go 20 feet every time :-D 00:31:24 i mean, for servers 00:31:46 by console I mean "Monitor/keyboard/monitor" station 00:31:53 not like a "command console" 00:32:03 if i have a win box, unix and macOS i want to be able to switch between them 00:32:18 with a KVM? 00:32:29 if you have a bunch of servers, what's the advantage of a KVM over logging in via terms? 00:32:39 well 00:32:52 unfortunately (and temporarily) my boss is a windows person 00:33:01 ah 00:33:07 So it's easier to KVM than to set up terminal services 00:33:12 although we have that set up anyway 00:33:17 oh man 00:33:26 yeah 00:33:28 Don't ask 00:33:31 that's not a pretty thing to hear 00:33:41 I did get him to install FreeBSD and he got Red Hat installed 00:33:49 So technically I've taken over 2 of his 4 machines in his office 00:34:07 And made him move the group server from a Windows2000 machine to a Red Hat server 00:34:35 Although with Red HAt 7.3 it's like Windows 00:34:36 blech 00:34:48 yeah, RH is a bit of a PITA 00:34:52 but it's still unix 00:34:57 and you can login via SSH 00:35:13 which is scary that it's a PITA to do with windows 00:35:51 talli: use putty. works great. 00:36:00 yeah, i know 00:36:12 actually to windows I go! 00:36:14 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 00:36:14 we're talking about logging into a windows server 00:39:09 heh 00:39:16 Any of you have an LCD monitor? 00:39:38 nope 00:40:10 davb (~chatzilla@alb-24-58-160-59.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 00:40:24 I'm thinking it might be a good idea to get one to reduce the amount of heat I generate 00:40:37 my room gets heated by my monitor quiet a bit 00:42:29 hmmm. i wonder if I can get the scanner working. 00:44:35 Gentoo? 00:44:35 it has been said that Gentoo is a serious pita for a desktop if you don't have an ultra-ultra fast processor 00:44:44 paje, that's a lie! 00:44:44 Inquizitophylax: sorry... 00:45:05 It runs perfectly fine on my Celeron 700 with 128mb of ram 00:45:54 Do you think it's bad for me to call up the camera guy and see if he heard anything about when my camera will be repaired and returned? 00:46:21 last time he said he won't know until the guy actually returns it 00:46:26 But I don't want to wait that long! 00:46:41 ask to speak to the guy 00:47:21 hmmm. win2k is looking for some mass storage controller. 00:48:33 i wonder how I can figure out what driver it needs... 00:50:35 Jim, the camera was sent in for service under the camera guy's name (he sold me the camera and to expedite the service he sent it under his name) 00:50:45 He works in a camera store and has contacts in Olympus 00:51:05 I'm just very impatient 00:51:15 is Olympus in the US? how long has it been/ 00:51:16 ? 00:51:21 paje, maybe you know...Where is my camera? 00:51:21 no idea, inquizitophylax 00:51:25 are you in the us? 00:51:34 aha. my olympus camera is supposed to have a serial cable. maybe I can trick it into working... 00:51:37 yes, yes it's been a week and a few days 00:51:55 I gave it in last Saturday 00:52:34 Also, Olympus has a facility practically down the street from me (about 5-8 miles) 00:52:41 Where he sent my camera 00:53:01 seems like he could have delivered it there himself 00:53:24 he might have 00:53:48 I gave it to him last Saturday 00:54:04 is this a warranty repair? 00:54:09 yes 00:54:21 i made a list and gave it to the guy 00:54:35 kept a copy? 00:54:40 yes 00:54:49 I know what's on the list 00:55:41 firmware upgrade, pixel mapping, clean the dust in the Electronic viewfinder, fix the rubber grip on the camera, look at the power button it's sticky at times but still works fine 00:56:29 is there anything about this transaction that's "under the table"? 00:57:04 do you want to avoid alienating the guy sold you the camera due to his contacts? 00:57:22 s/guy sold/guy who sold/ 00:57:53 jim, it works like this 00:58:03 The guy works in a camera store... 00:58:17 I wandered in looking around for a possible C-2100UZ (discontinued) 00:58:47 davb: have you had any chance to look at the new openacs.org? 00:58:58 is rbm around? 00:59:21 he told me he was selling one so I bought it and a bunch of other accessories (lenses, filters..cards, batteries - I got an excellent deal) 00:59:51 camera was in good condition...no scratches on the optics, nothing obviously wrong with it 01:00:23 and it was used with some remaining time on the warranty? 01:00:26 talli: look yes, work no :) 01:00:35 Then about a month after I got it I came to him and told him I would like new firmware pushed onto the camera...and since it's being sent it..gave him a list of other things they can take care of while it's in their posession 01:01:01 jim, it was used but he gave me a camera store receipt which entitles me for a year's warranty 01:01:20 so it seems the guy is trying to take care of you pretty good 01:01:33 If I show up at Olympus with my receipt and my camera they will fix it because it's technically still under a warranty 01:01:42 jim, yes, I have no complaints 01:01:51 argh 01:01:53 olympus sucks 01:01:59 you can't dl the camera software. 01:02:06 you can BUY it though. 01:02:36 Anyway, when I brought my camera in he said he will send it in...and say it's his...so that he gets faster service 01:02:47 So yes, he's hooking me up pretty well..I'm just impatient 01:03:05 use the other one! 01:03:23 I use my 2040Z...I don't want to use my other uzi :) 01:03:38 you are keeping it sealed up? 01:03:53 For the most part :) 01:03:58 ok, if everything (including your personal position) is as you say, I'd avoid contact for about 3-4 days 01:04:22 they weren't "sealed" or shrink-wrapped so I can take it out and play with it all I want 01:04:25 I'd rather not though 01:04:40 Jim, that's what I figured 01:05:00 seems he was a little gruff last time, saying "dunno when it will be here till it gets here", but that's my completely uneducated perception 01:05:11 I'll probably stop off on Friday or Saturday to see if they have anything new in stock and ask how the camera is coming along 01:05:22 aha. 01:05:37 Dave, if you need the camera software I can make you the image 01:05:37 surprisingly i have an entire olympus d-460, minus the camera. 01:05:42 i think the software is the same. 01:05:44 What? 01:05:56 ask fairly late in the conversation, give him a chance to bring it up himself 01:06:19 i got a d400 for free. the guy who sent it to me sent me the box and accessories (except flashpath) for his d460. 01:06:35 LOL 01:06:39 how did you pull THAT off? 01:06:44 What, you have 2 digicams now? 01:06:51 no. one camera. 01:06:53 one box. 01:06:59 luckily similar cameras. 01:08:31 anyone know if hp jetdirect cards can be flashed? 01:08:38 argh, its resetting to my windows clock, which is wrong because MS is too silly to use UTC for system clocks 01:08:44 SUCESS! 01:08:49 argh :) 01:08:57 i can retrieve the pictures. 01:09:12 i still don't know why i can't read the card in a usb reader. 01:09:41 davb: they should start using the standard unix clock setup so that NTP can keep them solid 01:09:57 yes, it would be nice. on a dual boot machine its really annoying 01:11:36 hehe 01:11:58 Dave, cool...You should really find out the capabilities of all your card reading tools/utilities 01:12:25 if they did that, they'd make history for putting something nice into windows :) 01:13:17 this is s....................l.......................o..................w.................... 01:13:33 LOL 01:13:37 * Inquizitophylax thwaps dave 01:13:46 Dave 01:13:50 the UZI is no more :( 01:13:53 NO mooooreee :( 01:13:54 Inquizitophylax: the reader is good, works great. i think there is some wackiness because the card is bigger than the camera can take. 01:14:07 that is sad. 01:14:26 i still like the E10 01:16:07 I played with an E20 01:16:08 davb has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:16:47 davb_ (~chatzilla@alb-24-58-160-59.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 01:16:47 hi 01:16:52 hi 01:17:01 I played with an E20at compusa 01:18:00 very nice but needs more zoom 01:18:05 and is 01:20:31 looks like my next digicam will be a Canon Pro DSLR with a big zoom lens 01:21:20 davb__ (~chatzilla@alb-24-58-160-59.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 01:21:21 davb_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:21:24 hi 01:21:27 davb__ is now known as davb 01:21:33 what was i saying? :) 01:21:56 davb: hi 01:21:58 oh yeah. tillman created a way to redirect bboard URLs when migrating! 01:22:19 jim :) 01:22:43 there is some cool stuff in new-file-storage 01:22:59 heh 01:23:12 Dave, I guess you missed me saying that I played with an E-20 at CompUSA 01:23:21 ah. nice? 01:23:24 Very nice camera...but CompUSA is run by idiots 01:23:31 It already had scratches on the lens 01:23:40 :( 01:23:43 yep 01:23:53 I wanted to steal it and adopt the abused camera 01:24:20 talli? 01:24:20 i guess talli is a monkey hmpher 01:24:34 true dat paje! 01:24:36 talli: so what were your plans for openacs.org? 01:24:53 I will DL the migration stuff from new-file-storage and take a look. 01:26:50 lol 01:27:03 there's a recall because a heating pot can overheat and burn you 01:27:06 duh? 01:29:35 http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/cpg_archivedproducts.asp 01:29:35 B: http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/cpg_archivedproducts.asp from davb 01:29:37 oops 01:30:48 What is that? 01:30:48 hmmm... that is not true 01:33:26 http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/farp/index.html 01:33:27 C: http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/farp/index.html from davb 01:33:34 C:|Fantasy Art Resource Project 01:33:35 titled item C 01:40:21 dum dee dum 01:44:00 bb... 01:44:07 jim has quit (Remote closed the connection) 01:45:42 its late. 01:45:44 bye 01:45:45 davb has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.7 [Mozilla rv:1.0.0/20020530]") 01:57:57 Wuzza wizza 01:58:06 * Inquizitophylax waits for his Gentoo to finish installing the base system 01:58:08 it's up to ssh 02:14:31 cool! 02:21:46 Inquizitophylax: what stage are you using? 02:22:07 Stage 3 tarball was corrupt 02:22:12 so I tried 2 which seemed to work 02:22:34 ah, bummer 02:22:39 No big deal 02:22:41 are you using gentoo 1.2? 02:22:41 It's unix 02:22:43 yes 02:23:25 I think I got everything covered 02:23:32 usb smartmedia reader support 02:23:38 usb support 02:23:39 sound 02:24:04 Once I get x working at 1280x1024 I don't really thing I will need to boot to windows 02:24:06 muahaha 02:24:21 yeah 02:24:25 i like gentoo 02:24:28 seems to work 02:24:30 It's awesome 02:24:35 Works awesome at work 02:24:44 it seems like the guys that built it know what they are doing 02:24:51 24 day uptime 02:24:54 Yeah 02:25:09 I started on Red Hat 6.2 02:25:18 i've only had my problems getting cdburning to work and getting openoffice installed 02:25:25 Then I screwed up trying to compile and install a new kernel 02:25:31 but i've had problems doing those on all os'es 02:25:35 And went to BSD...never looked back until Gentoo came along 02:25:51 i've never managed to get a BSD os to work, to be honest 02:25:55 i've always wanted to 02:26:01 but it's always caused problems for me 02:26:11 It works good but it's not something that you can easily make into a desktop OS 02:26:19 Server side...beautiful 02:26:23 11:34PM up 45 days, 1 hr, 2 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 02:26:25 the cd burning apps i have have all crashed my boxes 02:26:29 FreeBSD homer.neverhere.com 4.5-STABLE FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE #0: Tue Apr 2 20:46:27 EST 2002 root@homer.neverhere.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/NEVERHERE i386 02:27:10 I like Gentoo because it looks like something that can make a really good desktop 02:27:35 it makes a great desktio 02:27:39 Once I got wine working at work I heard Gentoo claiming my old box at work 02:27:46 but compiling apps is a pita 02:27:51 do you have a fast box? 02:27:51 at home rather 02:28:03 Athlon 750 with 786mb of PC133 02:28:09 That's my "old" box 02:28:35 that's plenty 02:28:38 The other ones are Athlon XP1800 (Win2K) and Athlon XP1900 (WinXP) 02:28:57 The WinXP one is for games 02:29:03 Win2K is for windows stuff 02:29:18 This one will be my normal desktop because i never got "hooked" on Linux 02:29:52 Once I get Wine working...Photoshop baby! 02:31:16 have you ever looked at crossover by codeweavers? 02:32:52 nope 02:32:55 hmmm 02:33:13 It seems that the Gentoo docs are telling me I was supposed to check some options or my kernel might not work? 02:33:39 yeah 02:33:52 did you check experiemental kernel options? 02:33:59 it's the first one on the list in menuconfig 02:34:33 no I didn't 02:34:38 is that _really_ important? 02:41:04 ? 02:51:02 go kernel recompile go! 02:58:59 t 02:59:02 talli? 02:59:02 talli is a monkey hmpher 02:59:06 Yes paje 02:59:10 paje you're a wanker! 02:59:11