IRC log of openacs on 2002-06-26

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00:00:09 [Inquizitophylax]
Where's my date with Paula Abdul?
00:00:18 [denshi]
also, it'd be nice to use things like ns_db to avoid some of the crap out there, like PHP's db system
00:00:33 [Inquizitophylax]
paje?
00:00:33 [paje]
yes, Inquizitophylax?
00:00:37 [Inquizitophylax]
Where's my date with Paula Abdul?!
00:00:45 [Inquizitophylax]
pake, Where's my date with Paula Abdul?!
00:00:48 [Inquizitophylax]
ack
00:00:51 [Inquizitophylax]
ok I'll shut up now
00:00:53 [talli]
denshi: yeah, i agree
00:00:55 [Inquizitophylax]
* Inquizitophylax shuts his mouth
00:01:22 [talli]
there are many people, like John Sequiera, who would have a much easier chance using OACS in a client gig if the only "weird" piece of the stack was tcl
00:01:36 [denshi]
* denshi smacks *phylax with an aging-pop-star
00:01:42 [Inquizitophylax]
wooo
00:01:45 [Inquizitophylax]
was she naked?
00:01:55 [denshi]
no, but she was petrified
00:02:03 [Inquizitophylax]
purified?
00:02:06 [Inquizitophylax]
Eh, close enough
00:02:51 [talli]
denshi: if you need more marketable skills, swallow the pill and learn .net
00:03:03 [Inquizitophylax]
the red or the blue pill?
00:03:28 [denshi]
the yellow pill
00:03:31 [Inquizitophylax]
Ewww
00:04:06 [denshi]
you know, I think the .net winners are going to be good enough personal marketers that they could have done it with anything
00:04:57 [denshi]
one of my friends has been progging windows servers & data collection devices since '98, and he and his parent company haven't even done serious .net evaluation yet
00:05:14 [talli]
um... becuase not even MS is using it yet?
00:05:25 [denshi]
everywhere I hear the same; that actualy adoption is really slow
00:05:35 [talli]
well, that's not true
00:05:38 [denshi]
aren't they?
00:05:41 [denshi]
it's released
00:05:43 [talli]
they just aren't using it for anythign important
00:05:50 [talli]
like, they weren't using passport
00:05:58 [denshi]
well, yeah, that's what freeBSD is there for
00:06:19 [talli]
:)
00:07:33 [denshi]
do you know any cool groups in Austin?
00:07:51 [davb]
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00:08:19 [Inquizitophylax]
paje, attack dave!
00:08:19 [paje]
Inquizitophylax: huh?
00:08:29 [talli]
what kind of groups?
00:08:32 [davb]
hi Inquizitophylax
00:08:32 [Inquizitophylax]
Bite him, kick him!! come on, don't just stand there...he'll beat you up!
00:08:37 [Inquizitophylax]
Hey dave
00:08:40 [talli]
hey davb
00:08:44 [denshi]
mr bauer, many are the names by which you are hailed, but to you, I say..... OOOM
00:08:47 [Inquizitophylax]
* Inquizitophylax attempts to teach paje judo
00:08:56 [Inquizitophylax]
fight!
00:08:58 [davb]
hi all!
00:08:58 [denshi]
talli: dev groups, companies, cool coders, the like
00:08:59 [talli]
when we finish with the new OACS, we might want to think about offering it to the postgresql.org folks
00:09:08 [davb]
neat
00:09:13 [talli]
there are discussions on teh pg list about improving visibility
00:09:22 [talli]
denshi: i don't know anyone down there, unfortuantely
00:09:40 [denshi]
perhaps we could do like the Anasazi do with their sand art, and destroy the new OACS when we finish it
00:10:06 [davb]
i thought aD already did that.
00:10:23 [Inquizitophylax]
lol
00:10:40 [Inquizitophylax]
So how is Red hat treading aD?
00:11:23 [denshi]
I hear they're learning to like leather
00:11:29 [Inquizitophylax]
?
00:11:58 [Inquizitophylax]
Well hopefully this won't take ages to compile
00:12:29 [denshi]
* denshi pokes Inquizitophylax with aD-brand bondage gear
00:12:37 [talli]
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00:13:43 [Inquizitophylax]
kinky!
00:13:49 [Inquizitophylax]
* Inquizitophylax runs away and hides behind paje
00:15:50 [talli]
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00:16:15 [Inquizitophylax]
So, what do you people use for e-mail clients in *nix
00:16:49 [talli]
i've been using mozilla's mail client lately
00:17:00 [talli]
it's not that bad
00:17:10 [Inquizitophylax]
i want something that can sort by date and remember that I want it sorted by date
00:17:12 [davb]
mutt!
00:17:13 [talli]
at least it's more stable than any of the others
00:17:18 [davb]
mutt!
00:17:18 [talli]
mutt is nice
00:17:26 [Inquizitophylax]
sylpheed was good but it kept forgetting that I want to sort by date
00:17:31 [talli]
but i really prefer graphical
00:17:45 [talli]
mulberry works, but it can get clunky
00:17:48 [davb]
I am waiting for denshi interwingle
00:17:56 [davb]
or twingle or whatever
00:18:00 [denshi]
i am waiting for godot
00:18:17 [Inquizitophylax]
and I'm waiting for my pizza
00:18:26 [Inquizitophylax]
damn it...it's gonna be cold by the time they bring it here!
00:18:56 [davb]
denshi: have you seen http://guests.evectors.it/zoe/
00:19:01 [Inquizitophylax]
hmmm
00:19:22 [Inquizitophylax]
question
00:19:22 [paje]
i think question is how does it feel to be a sex symbol?
00:19:29 [Inquizitophylax]
it feels pretty good
00:19:30 [davb]
its open-sourceish, apple public license/
00:19:38 [denshi]
yes, but 1) it's OSX only, and 2) it's desktop
00:19:45 [Inquizitophylax]
if I ssh into another linux box
00:19:58 [Inquizitophylax]
how can I run some X apps from it (i'm running a *nix box)
00:20:06 [Inquizitophylax]
I need a browser :(
00:20:23 [davb]
denshi: ah. it is technically not osx only, but pratically it is :)
00:20:25 [Inquizitophylax]
and I can't turn on any of my other computers because it will blow up the circuit breaker
00:20:40 [davb]
denshi: then you most definitely will use HTML for presentation?
00:20:51 [davb]
Inquizitophylax: how many computers do you have??
00:20:59 [Inquizitophylax]
4
00:21:05 [Inquizitophylax]
and one that's my parents
00:21:10 [davb]
i have 3, no problem.
00:21:14 [davb]
all in the same circuit?
00:21:21 [Inquizitophylax]
our whole house is on one damn circuit
00:21:28 [davb]
that seems unsafe....
00:21:44 [Inquizitophylax]
I'm trying to burn it down...so far not successful in the last 4 years
00:21:50 [denshi]
I must disappear
00:21:53 [davb]
there must be some electrician malpractice or something...
00:22:01 [Inquizitophylax]
I blame them!
00:22:03 [Inquizitophylax]
bye denshi
00:22:10 [davb]
later denshi
00:22:23 [davb]
* davb overloads content_revision__new
00:22:37 [Inquizitophylax]
* Inquizitophylax overloads circuit_breaker_old
00:22:47 [davb]
heh
00:22:56 [Inquizitophylax]
It's not THAT bad
00:23:02 [davb]
Inquizitophylax: is it jus your house? or do you share?
00:23:09 [Inquizitophylax]
because 2 or 3 of my computers are on a UPS
00:23:34 [Inquizitophylax]
but I'm not sure which ones and how well they work...and I'm not about to test out this theory while compiling system binaries
00:23:35 [talli]
Inquizitophylax: which KVM do you use?
00:23:46 [davb]
ah :)
00:23:59 [Inquizitophylax]
dave: It's an apartment building (it's about 40 years old or so...)
00:24:06 [davb]
ah.
00:24:07 [Inquizitophylax]
talli: Belkin OmniCube 4 port
00:24:16 [talli]
you like it?
00:24:39 [Inquizitophylax]
Love it...a bit quirky with *nix systems at times but with 4 computers...it's excellent
00:24:56 [talli]
yeah, i'd like a good KVM
00:25:04 [talli]
but they can be such a pita
00:25:19 [Inquizitophylax]
I had to recompile the FreeBSD kernel so that I don't get erratic mouse movement
00:25:23 [talli]
i hate it when a box freezes because it lost it's conection to the keboard
00:25:26 [Inquizitophylax]
after KVMing back and forth
00:25:39 [Inquizitophylax]
However, Mandrake never had that problem
00:25:46 [talli]
ah, ok
00:25:51 [Inquizitophylax]
not sure about Gentoo though ... I'll find out soon enough though
00:26:14 [Inquizitophylax]
I think it's something to do with the pointer.c or some other source for the mouse that makes it go flippity doo daa
00:26:32 [Inquizitophylax]
You really can't go wrong with Belkin
00:26:40 [Inquizitophylax]
We use them everywhere at work
00:27:49 [Inquizitophylax]
Belkin also makes this cool KVM extender
00:27:56 [Inquizitophylax]
uses cat5 for up to 500 feet
00:28:42 [talli]
whoa
00:28:50 [talli]
how does it work?
00:28:52 [Inquizitophylax]
So you can have a remote console 500 feet away from your 16 port KVM and your 16 servers in the basement
00:29:06 [Inquizitophylax]
The way we rigged it up at work
00:29:29 [talli]
wow
00:29:41 [talli]
and how do you switch boxes?
00:30:04 [Inquizitophylax]
servers connect to a 16 port kvm...Then the KVM console out connects to the KVM extender and that has a cat5 cable to it..then stretched out some xx feet to the second kvm extender end and the monitor, mouse + keyboard go in there
00:30:34 [talli]
so you have the switch at the kvm on your desk?
00:30:41 [Inquizitophylax]
Well, on crappy KVM switches I would assume you have to come to the KVM
00:30:58 [Inquizitophylax]
on the one we have I use scroll lock key and up/down arrows to scroll through the servers
00:31:05 [talli]
very nice!
00:31:13 [Inquizitophylax]
yup
00:31:22 [talli]
what's the advantage over logging in via console, though?
00:31:23 [Inquizitophylax]
beats having to go 20 feet every time :-D
00:31:24 [talli]
i mean, for servers
00:31:46 [Inquizitophylax]
by console I mean "Monitor/keyboard/monitor" station
00:31:53 [Inquizitophylax]
not like a "command console"
00:32:03 [talli]
if i have a win box, unix and macOS i want to be able to switch between them
00:32:18 [Inquizitophylax]
with a KVM?
00:32:29 [talli]
if you have a bunch of servers, what's the advantage of a KVM over logging in via terms?
00:32:39 [Inquizitophylax]
well
00:32:52 [Inquizitophylax]
unfortunately (and temporarily) my boss is a windows person
00:33:01 [talli]
ah
00:33:07 [Inquizitophylax]
So it's easier to KVM than to set up terminal services
00:33:12 [Inquizitophylax]
although we have that set up anyway
00:33:17 [talli]
oh man
00:33:26 [Inquizitophylax]
yeah
00:33:28 [Inquizitophylax]
Don't ask
00:33:31 [talli]
that's not a pretty thing to hear
00:33:41 [Inquizitophylax]
I did get him to install FreeBSD and he got Red Hat installed
00:33:49 [Inquizitophylax]
So technically I've taken over 2 of his 4 machines in his office
00:34:07 [Inquizitophylax]
And made him move the group server from a Windows2000 machine to a Red Hat server
00:34:35 [Inquizitophylax]
Although with Red HAt 7.3 it's like Windows
00:34:36 [Inquizitophylax]
blech
00:34:48 [talli]
yeah, RH is a bit of a PITA
00:34:52 [talli]
but it's still unix
00:34:57 [talli]
and you can login via SSH
00:35:13 [talli]
which is scary that it's a PITA to do with windows
00:35:51 [davb]
talli: use putty. works great.
00:36:00 [talli]
yeah, i know
00:36:12 [davb]
actually to windows I go!
00:36:14 [davb]
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00:36:14 [talli]
we're talking about logging into a windows server
00:39:09 [Inquizitophylax]
heh
00:39:16 [Inquizitophylax]
Any of you have an LCD monitor?
00:39:38 [talli]
nope
00:40:10 [davb]
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00:40:24 [Inquizitophylax]
I'm thinking it might be a good idea to get one to reduce the amount of heat I generate
00:40:37 [Inquizitophylax]
my room gets heated by my monitor quiet a bit
00:42:29 [davb]
hmmm. i wonder if I can get the scanner working.
00:44:35 [Inquizitophylax]
Gentoo?
00:44:35 [paje]
it has been said that Gentoo is a serious pita for a desktop if you don't have an ultra-ultra fast processor
00:44:44 [Inquizitophylax]
paje, that's a lie!
00:44:44 [paje]
Inquizitophylax: sorry...
00:45:05 [Inquizitophylax]
It runs perfectly fine on my Celeron 700 with 128mb of ram
00:45:54 [Inquizitophylax]
Do you think it's bad for me to call up the camera guy and see if he heard anything about when my camera will be repaired and returned?
00:46:21 [Inquizitophylax]
last time he said he won't know until the guy actually returns it
00:46:26 [Inquizitophylax]
But I don't want to wait that long!
00:46:41 [jim]
ask to speak to the guy
00:47:21 [davb]
hmmm. win2k is looking for some mass storage controller.
00:48:33 [davb]
i wonder how I can figure out what driver it needs...
00:50:35 [Inquizitophylax]
Jim, the camera was sent in for service under the camera guy's name (he sold me the camera and to expedite the service he sent it under his name)
00:50:45 [Inquizitophylax]
He works in a camera store and has contacts in Olympus
00:51:05 [Inquizitophylax]
I'm just very impatient
00:51:15 [jim]
is Olympus in the US? how long has it been/
00:51:16 [jim]
?
00:51:21 [Inquizitophylax]
paje, maybe you know...Where is my camera?
00:51:21 [paje]
no idea, inquizitophylax
00:51:25 [jim]
are you in the us?
00:51:34 [davb]
aha. my olympus camera is supposed to have a serial cable. maybe I can trick it into working...
00:51:37 [Inquizitophylax]
yes, yes it's been a week and a few days
00:51:55 [Inquizitophylax]
I gave it in last Saturday
00:52:34 [Inquizitophylax]
Also, Olympus has a facility practically down the street from me (about 5-8 miles)
00:52:41 [Inquizitophylax]
Where he sent my camera
00:53:01 [jim]
seems like he could have delivered it there himself
00:53:24 [Inquizitophylax]
he might have
00:53:48 [Inquizitophylax]
I gave it to him last Saturday
00:54:04 [jim]
is this a warranty repair?
00:54:09 [Inquizitophylax]
yes
00:54:21 [Inquizitophylax]
i made a list and gave it to the guy
00:54:35 [jim]
kept a copy?
00:54:40 [Inquizitophylax]
yes
00:54:49 [Inquizitophylax]
I know what's on the list
00:55:41 [Inquizitophylax]
firmware upgrade, pixel mapping, clean the dust in the Electronic viewfinder, fix the rubber grip on the camera, look at the power button it's sticky at times but still works fine
00:56:29 [jim]
is there anything about this transaction that's "under the table"?
00:57:04 [jim]
do you want to avoid alienating the guy sold you the camera due to his contacts?
00:57:22 [jim]
s/guy sold/guy who sold/
00:57:53 [Inquizitophylax]
jim, it works like this
00:58:03 [Inquizitophylax]
The guy works in a camera store...
00:58:17 [Inquizitophylax]
I wandered in looking around for a possible C-2100UZ (discontinued)
00:58:47 [talli]
davb: have you had any chance to look at the new openacs.org?
00:58:58 [talli]
is rbm around?
00:59:21 [Inquizitophylax]
he told me he was selling one so I bought it and a bunch of other accessories (lenses, filters..cards, batteries - I got an excellent deal)
00:59:51 [Inquizitophylax]
camera was in good condition...no scratches on the optics, nothing obviously wrong with it
01:00:23 [jim]
and it was used with some remaining time on the warranty?
01:00:26 [davb]
talli: look yes, work no :)
01:00:35 [Inquizitophylax]
Then about a month after I got it I came to him and told him I would like new firmware pushed onto the camera...and since it's being sent it..gave him a list of other things they can take care of while it's in their posession
01:01:01 [Inquizitophylax]
jim, it was used but he gave me a camera store receipt which entitles me for a year's warranty
01:01:20 [jim]
so it seems the guy is trying to take care of you pretty good
01:01:33 [Inquizitophylax]
If I show up at Olympus with my receipt and my camera they will fix it because it's technically still under a warranty
01:01:42 [Inquizitophylax]
jim, yes, I have no complaints
01:01:51 [davb]
argh
01:01:53 [davb]
olympus sucks
01:01:59 [davb]
you can't dl the camera software.
01:02:06 [davb]
you can BUY it though.
01:02:36 [Inquizitophylax]
Anyway, when I brought my camera in he said he will send it in...and say it's his...so that he gets faster service
01:02:47 [Inquizitophylax]
So yes, he's hooking me up pretty well..I'm just impatient
01:03:05 [davb]
use the other one!
01:03:23 [Inquizitophylax]
I use my 2040Z...I don't want to use my other uzi :)
01:03:38 [davb]
you are keeping it sealed up?
01:03:53 [Inquizitophylax]
For the most part :)
01:03:58 [jim]
ok, if everything (including your personal position) is as you say, I'd avoid contact for about 3-4 days
01:04:22 [Inquizitophylax]
they weren't "sealed" or shrink-wrapped so I can take it out and play with it all I want
01:04:25 [Inquizitophylax]
I'd rather not though
01:04:40 [Inquizitophylax]
Jim, that's what I figured
01:05:00 [jim]
seems he was a little gruff last time, saying "dunno when it will be here till it gets here", but that's my completely uneducated perception
01:05:11 [Inquizitophylax]
I'll probably stop off on Friday or Saturday to see if they have anything new in stock and ask how the camera is coming along
01:05:22 [davb]
aha.
01:05:37 [Inquizitophylax]
Dave, if you need the camera software I can make you the image
01:05:37 [davb]
surprisingly i have an entire olympus d-460, minus the camera.
01:05:42 [davb]
i think the software is the same.
01:05:44 [Inquizitophylax]
What?
01:05:56 [jim]
ask fairly late in the conversation, give him a chance to bring it up himself
01:06:19 [davb]
i got a d400 for free. the guy who sent it to me sent me the box and accessories (except flashpath) for his d460.
01:06:35 [Inquizitophylax]
LOL
01:06:39 [Inquizitophylax]
how did you pull THAT off?
01:06:44 [Inquizitophylax]
What, you have 2 digicams now?
01:06:51 [davb]
no. one camera.
01:06:53 [davb]
one box.
01:06:59 [davb]
luckily similar cameras.
01:08:31 [jim]
anyone know if hp jetdirect cards can be flashed?
01:08:38 [davb]
argh, its resetting to my windows clock, which is wrong because MS is too silly to use UTC for system clocks
01:08:44 [davb]
SUCESS!
01:08:49 [davb]
argh :)
01:08:57 [davb]
i can retrieve the pictures.
01:09:12 [davb]
i still don't know why i can't read the card in a usb reader.
01:09:41 [jim]
davb: they should start using the standard unix clock setup so that NTP can keep them solid
01:09:57 [davb]
yes, it would be nice. on a dual boot machine its really annoying
01:11:36 [Inquizitophylax]
hehe
01:11:58 [Inquizitophylax]
Dave, cool...You should really find out the capabilities of all your card reading tools/utilities
01:12:25 [jim]
if they did that, they'd make history for putting something nice into windows :)
01:13:17 [davb]
this is s....................l.......................o..................w....................
01:13:33 [Inquizitophylax]
LOL
01:13:37 [Inquizitophylax]
* Inquizitophylax thwaps dave
01:13:46 [Inquizitophylax]
Dave
01:13:50 [Inquizitophylax]
the UZI is no more :(
01:13:53 [Inquizitophylax]
NO mooooreee :(
01:13:54 [davb]
Inquizitophylax: the reader is good, works great. i think there is some wackiness because the card is bigger than the camera can take.
01:14:07 [davb]
that is sad.
01:14:26 [davb]
i still like the E10
01:16:07 [Inquizitophylax]
I played with an E20
01:16:08 [davb]
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01:16:47 [davb_]
hi
01:16:52 [Inquizitophylax]
hi
01:17:01 [Inquizitophylax]
I played with an E20at compusa
01:18:00 [Inquizitophylax]
very nice but needs more zoom
01:18:05 [Inquizitophylax]
and is
01:20:31 [Inquizitophylax]
looks like my next digicam will be a Canon Pro DSLR with a big zoom lens
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01:21:24 [davb__]
hi
01:21:27 [davb__]
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01:21:33 [davb]
what was i saying? :)
01:21:56 [jim]
davb: <davb__> hi
01:21:58 [davb]
oh yeah. tillman created a way to redirect bboard URLs when migrating!
01:22:19 [davb]
jim :)
01:22:43 [davb]
there is some cool stuff in new-file-storage
01:22:59 [Inquizitophylax]
heh
01:23:12 [Inquizitophylax]
Dave, I guess you missed me saying that I played with an E-20 at CompUSA
01:23:21 [davb]
ah. nice?
01:23:24 [Inquizitophylax]
Very nice camera...but CompUSA is run by idiots
01:23:31 [Inquizitophylax]
It already had scratches on the lens
01:23:40 [davb]
:(
01:23:43 [Inquizitophylax]
yep
01:23:53 [Inquizitophylax]
I wanted to steal it and adopt the abused camera
01:24:20 [Inquizitophylax]
talli?
01:24:20 [paje]
i guess talli is a monkey hmpher
01:24:34 [Inquizitophylax]
true dat paje!
01:24:36 [davb]
talli: so what were your plans for openacs.org?
01:24:53 [davb]
I will DL the migration stuff from new-file-storage and take a look.
01:26:50 [Inquizitophylax]
lol
01:27:03 [Inquizitophylax]
there's a recall because a heating pot can overheat and burn you
01:27:06 [Inquizitophylax]
duh?
01:29:35 [davb]
http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/cpg_archivedproducts.asp
01:29:35 [oacs-chump]
B: http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/cpg_archivedproducts.asp from davb
01:29:37 [davb]
oops
01:30:48 [Inquizitophylax]
What is that?
01:30:48 [paje]
hmmm... that is not true
01:33:26 [davb]
http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/farp/index.html
01:33:27 [oacs-chump]
C: http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/farp/index.html from davb
01:33:34 [davb]
C:|Fantasy Art Resource Project
01:33:35 [oacs-chump]
titled item C
01:40:21 [Inquizitophylax]
dum dee dum
01:44:00 [jim]
bb...
01:44:07 [jim]
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01:45:42 [davb]
its late.
01:45:44 [davb]
bye
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01:57:57 [Inquizitophylax]
Wuzza wizza
01:58:06 [Inquizitophylax]
* Inquizitophylax waits for his Gentoo to finish installing the base system
01:58:08 [Inquizitophylax]
it's up to ssh
02:14:31 [Inquizitophylax]
cool!
02:21:46 [talli]
Inquizitophylax: what stage are you using?
02:22:07 [Inquizitophylax]
Stage 3 tarball was corrupt
02:22:12 [Inquizitophylax]
so I tried 2 which seemed to work
02:22:34 [talli]
ah, bummer
02:22:39 [Inquizitophylax]
No big deal
02:22:41 [talli]
are you using gentoo 1.2?
02:22:41 [Inquizitophylax]
It's unix
02:22:43 [Inquizitophylax]
yes
02:23:25 [Inquizitophylax]
I think I got everything covered
02:23:32 [Inquizitophylax]
usb smartmedia reader support
02:23:38 [Inquizitophylax]
usb support
02:23:39 [Inquizitophylax]
sound
02:24:04 [Inquizitophylax]
Once I get x working at 1280x1024 I don't really thing I will need to boot to windows
02:24:06 [Inquizitophylax]
muahaha
02:24:21 [talli]
yeah
02:24:25 [talli]
i like gentoo
02:24:28 [talli]
seems to work
02:24:30 [Inquizitophylax]
It's awesome
02:24:35 [Inquizitophylax]
Works awesome at work
02:24:44 [talli]
it seems like the guys that built it know what they are doing
02:24:51 [Inquizitophylax]
24 day uptime
02:24:54 [Inquizitophylax]
Yeah
02:25:09 [Inquizitophylax]
I started on Red Hat 6.2
02:25:18 [talli]
i've only had my problems getting cdburning to work and getting openoffice installed
02:25:25 [Inquizitophylax]
Then I screwed up trying to compile and install a new kernel
02:25:31 [talli]
but i've had problems doing those on all os'es
02:25:35 [Inquizitophylax]
And went to BSD...never looked back until Gentoo came along
02:25:51 [talli]
i've never managed to get a BSD os to work, to be honest
02:25:55 [talli]
i've always wanted to
02:26:01 [talli]
but it's always caused problems for me
02:26:11 [Inquizitophylax]
It works good but it's not something that you can easily make into a desktop OS
02:26:19 [Inquizitophylax]
Server side...beautiful
02:26:23 [Inquizitophylax]
11:34PM up 45 days, 1 hr, 2 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
02:26:25 [talli]
the cd burning apps i have have all crashed my boxes
02:26:29 [Inquizitophylax]
FreeBSD homer.neverhere.com 4.5-STABLE FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE #0: Tue Apr 2 20:46:27 EST 2002 root@homer.neverhere.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/NEVERHERE i386
02:27:10 [Inquizitophylax]
I like Gentoo because it looks like something that can make a really good desktop
02:27:35 [talli]
it makes a great desktio
02:27:39 [Inquizitophylax]
Once I got wine working at work I heard Gentoo claiming my old box at work
02:27:46 [talli]
but compiling apps is a pita
02:27:51 [talli]
do you have a fast box?
02:27:51 [Inquizitophylax]
at home rather
02:28:03 [Inquizitophylax]
Athlon 750 with 786mb of PC133
02:28:09 [Inquizitophylax]
That's my "old" box
02:28:35 [talli]
that's plenty
02:28:38 [Inquizitophylax]
The other ones are Athlon XP1800 (Win2K) and Athlon XP1900 (WinXP)
02:28:57 [Inquizitophylax]
The WinXP one is for games
02:29:03 [Inquizitophylax]
Win2K is for windows stuff
02:29:18 [Inquizitophylax]
This one will be my normal desktop because i never got "hooked" on Linux
02:29:52 [Inquizitophylax]
Once I get Wine working...Photoshop baby!
02:31:16 [talli]
have you ever looked at crossover by codeweavers?
02:32:52 [Inquizitophylax]
nope
02:32:55 [Inquizitophylax]
hmmm
02:33:13 [Inquizitophylax]
It seems that the Gentoo docs are telling me I was supposed to check some options or my kernel might not work?
02:33:39 [talli]
yeah
02:33:52 [talli]
did you check experiemental kernel options?
02:33:59 [talli]
it's the first one on the list in menuconfig
02:34:33 [Inquizitophylax]
no I didn't
02:34:38 [Inquizitophylax]
is that _really_ important?
02:41:04 [Inquizitophylax]
?
02:51:02 [Inquizitophylax]
go kernel recompile go!
02:58:59 [Inquizitophylax]
t
02:59:02 [Inquizitophylax]
talli?
02:59:02 [paje]
talli is a monkey hmpher
02:59:06 [Inquizitophylax]
Yes paje
02:59:10 [Inquizitophylax]
paje you're a wanker!
02:59:11 [paje]
Inquizitophylax: sorry...
02:59:23 [Inquizitophylax]
paje you are also | a wanker!
02:59:23 [paje]
okay, Inquizitophylax.
02:59:26 [Inquizitophylax]
paje?
02:59:26 [paje]
yes, Inquizitophylax?
02:59:30 [Inquizitophylax]
what are you paje?
02:59:39 [Inquizitophylax]
paje, who are you?
02:59:39 [paje]
well, i am a silly bot
02:59:41 [Inquizitophylax]
paje, who are you?
02:59:41 [paje]
i guess i am acannibal
02:59:42 [Inquizitophylax]
paje, who are you?
02:59:42 [paje]
i think i am a silly bot
02:59:45 [Inquizitophylax]
paje, who are you?
02:59:45 [paje]
i am a silly bot
02:59:46 [Inquizitophylax]
paje, who are you?
02:59:47 [paje]
i think i am a slut
02:59:48 [Inquizitophylax]
paje, who are you?
02:59:48 [paje]
well, i am the medicine man and oracle in Amazonian tribes
02:59:49 [Inquizitophylax]
paje, who are you?
02:59:49 [paje]
i am acannibal
02:59:51 [Inquizitophylax]
paje, who are you?
02:59:51 [paje]
i am probably a Peson Assembled for Judo and Exploration
02:59:57 [Inquizitophylax]
paje, who are you?
02:59:57 [paje]
it has been said that i am acannibal
02:59:59 [Inquizitophylax]
paje, who are you?
02:59:59 [paje]
i am a wanker!
03:00:04 [Inquizitophylax]
Muahaha
03:10:01 [talli]
hey Inquizitophylax, sorry phone
03:10:05 [talli]
yeah, i tihnk it's important
03:10:23 [talli]
you may want to recompile your kernel
03:10:25 [talli]
shouldn't be too bad
03:15:42 [Inquizitophylax]
heh
03:15:46 [Inquizitophylax]
I did
03:15:55 [Inquizitophylax]
I almost made a big wankerage
03:16:00 [Inquizitophylax]
Forgot to set a bootable flag :)
03:17:30 [Inquizitophylax]
You there?
03:17:34 [Inquizitophylax]
paje, seen talli
03:17:34 [paje]
talli was last seen on #openacs 7 minutes and 9 seconds ago, saying: shouldn't be too bad [Tue Jun 25 22:10:10 2002]
03:17:41 [talli]
i don' thihey
03:17:42 [talli]
hey
03:17:50 [Inquizitophylax]
ok, last and most important thing
03:17:51 [Inquizitophylax]
grub
03:18:05 [Inquizitophylax]
My boot is on hdc2
03:18:15 [Inquizitophylax]
so wouldn't I do root (2,1)?
03:19:42 [Inquizitophylax]
It tells me the selected disk does not exist
03:20:27 [Inquizitophylax]
weird
03:21:02 [Inquizitophylax]
a= 0, b=1, c=2, d=3 for drives
03:21:17 [Inquizitophylax]
and x-1 for partitions
03:21:21 [Inquizitophylax]
Right?
03:21:27 [Inquizitophylax]
paje, again!
03:21:27 [paje]
* paje spanks talli
03:21:36 [talli]
sorry
03:21:49 [talli]
yeah
03:21:50 [Inquizitophylax]
once I install Grub I'm set
03:21:52 [talli]
what
03:21:54 [talli]
wait
03:21:56 [talli]
no, root is not there
03:21:59 [Inquizitophylax]
?
03:22:09 [talli]
your boot is not your root
03:22:11 [Inquizitophylax]
The drive I have set up is hdc
03:22:19 [talli]
lemme check my grub config
03:22:42 [Inquizitophylax]
hdc1 - swap, hdc2 - boot, hdc3 - /, hdc4 - /other
03:22:49 [Inquizitophylax]
That's how I partitioned my hard drive to be
03:23:10 [talli]
yeah
03:23:32 [talli]
run fdisk and tell me what your partition map looks like
03:23:58 [talli]
fdisk hdc
03:24:00 [talli]
p
03:24:07 [talli]
fdisk> p (i mean)
03:24:18 [Inquizitophylax]
That's what it is
03:24:28 [Inquizitophylax]
I know how I partitioned it since I wrote it down on this piece of paper in front of me
03:25:06 [Inquizitophylax]
e
03:25:11 [Inquizitophylax]
Doesn't make sense to me
03:25:42 [talli]
can you show me the partition map?
03:26:59 [Inquizitophylax]
sure
03:27:16 [Inquizitophylax]
you want the numbers and all?
03:27:40 [talli]
yeah, please
03:28:51 [Inquizitophylax]
./dev/hdc1 1 17 136521 83 Linux
03:29:27 [Inquizitophylax]
./dev/hdc2* 18 43 208845 83 Linux
03:30:09 [talli]
do you have an hda?
03:30:19 [Inquizitophylax]
./dev/hdc3 44 681 5124735 83 Linux
03:30:30 [Inquizitophylax]
yes...it's a cd-rom drive though
03:30:49 [talli]
why did you name them backwards?
03:30:55 [Inquizitophylax]
I didn't
03:30:59 [talli]
hmmm...
03:31:11 [Inquizitophylax]
it was the only config in which windows2k would install and boot
03:31:13 [talli]
try root (hd0,2)
03:31:17 [talli]
ah, ok
03:31:21 [Inquizitophylax]
I had to make hard drives be secondary master/slave
03:31:28 [talli]
so windows is on hdb?
03:31:32 [Inquizitophylax]
no
03:31:33 [Inquizitophylax]
hdd
03:31:41 [talli]
what's hdb?
03:31:46 [Inquizitophylax]
cd-rom
03:31:49 [Inquizitophylax]
hda is a cd-rw
03:31:56 [Inquizitophylax]
hdc is a linux drive
03:31:59 [Inquizitophylax]
hdd is a windows drive
03:32:13 [Inquizitophylax]
so I have to tell grub to boot off hdc
03:32:34 [talli]
you have no hdb?
03:33:09 [talli]
try root (hd1,1)
03:33:27 [Inquizitophylax]
no I do..it's a cd-rom
03:33:27 [talli]
maybe hdc is in the second spot rather than the third, since you don't appear to have an hdb
03:34:09 [Inquizitophylax]
hda: mitsumi cd-rw, hdb: creative cd-rom, hdc: Maxtor 15gig drive for Linux, hdd: 20gig WD for Windows
03:34:10 [talli]
do you have two cdroms in teh box?
03:34:13 [Inquizitophylax]
yes
03:34:19 [talli]
ah, ok
03:34:43 [talli]
ah, the problem is your notation
03:34:54 [talli]
it's root (hd2,1) not root (2,1)
03:35:06 [Inquizitophylax]
Oh
03:35:16 [talli]
try that
03:35:32 [Inquizitophylax]
I did that before, sorry I forgot to add the hd when typing
03:35:37 [Inquizitophylax]
trying to fix it so I can go to bed :)
03:35:44 [talli]
does it work?
03:37:16 [Inquizitophylax]
no
03:37:33 [talli]
hm...
03:39:24 [Inquizitophylax]
dmesg finds the drives just fine
03:39:27 [talli]
try hd0 rather than hd2
03:40:15 [Inquizitophylax]
That worked
03:40:17 [Inquizitophylax]
i think...
03:41:00 [Inquizitophylax]
but
03:41:14 [Inquizitophylax]
now I'm trying to do setup (hd0) or setup(hd2) and it's erroring:
03:41:30 [Inquizitophylax]
Invalid Device Requested
03:42:48 [talli]
hmmm...
03:43:00 [Inquizitophylax]
hmmmm indeed
03:43:12 [Inquizitophylax]
You do realize...I got quiet far and this sucks in my opinion :)
03:44:40 [talli]
yes, i understand
03:44:43 [talli]
i dunno
03:44:45 [talli]
that's weird
03:46:09 [Inquizitophylax]
yes it is
03:47:16 [Inquizitophylax]
Any ideas?
03:47:27 [talli]
thinking...
03:47:39 [talli]
so the boot record is on hdc2, right?
03:48:05 [Inquizitophylax]
it should be as far as I know
03:48:12 [talli]
ok
03:48:27 [Inquizitophylax]
i still don't understand how it managed to do the previous command on hd0 when it's supposed to be a cd-rom
03:48:29 [talli]
is that where you mounted it?
03:48:46 [talli]
i think gentoo automatically puts hda as the harddrive
03:48:56 [talli]
you may have mounted /boot on hdc1
03:49:02 [talli]
try setup (hd0,0)
03:49:23 [talli]
if you followed the directions according to the docs, you mounted the boot record on hda1
03:49:36 [Inquizitophylax]
yes
03:49:49 [Inquizitophylax]
no I mounted it on hdc2
03:49:53 [Inquizitophylax]
that's what mount tells me
03:49:55 [talli]
hmmm...
03:50:01 [talli]
ok
03:50:20 [talli]
just for fun, try root (hd0,0) and setup hd0 and tell me what happens
03:51:57 [Inquizitophylax]
hahahaha
03:51:59 [Inquizitophylax]
That's funny
03:52:08 [Inquizitophylax]
tried root (hd0,0) and it errors:
03:52:31 [Inquizitophylax]
Filesystem type unknown 0x83
03:52:54 [talli]
ok
03:52:58 [Inquizitophylax]
Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x83
03:52:58 [Inquizitophylax]
that's the full message
03:53:12 [talli]
that was just to make sure we knew what we knew
03:55:58 [talli]
try root (hd2,0) setup hd2
03:56:03 [talli]
let's see what happens with that
03:56:34 [Inquizitophylax]
selected disk does not exist
03:57:48 [Inquizitophylax]
odd
03:58:22 [talli]
very weird
03:58:27 [Inquizitophylax]
When I tried setup (hd2) it told me "could not mount partition"
03:58:35 [Inquizitophylax]
wait a second
03:58:52 [Inquizitophylax]
I think I had grub installed on hdc prior (from my Mandrake install)
04:01:15 [Inquizitophylax]
In any case...I'm about to just randomly try stuff until it works and go to bed
04:01:21 [Inquizitophylax]
then, do this over again tomorrow
04:01:24 [talli]
yeah, sounds about that time
04:01:25 [Inquizitophylax]
isn't it fun installing *nix?
04:03:43 [Inquizitophylax]
I could just tell it not to verify
04:05:35 [talli]
installing unix sucks
04:05:42 [talli]
but running anything else is worse
04:06:09 [Inquizitophylax]
what does this mean
04:06:42 [Inquizitophylax]
modprobe: Can't locate module block-major-34
04:06:48 [Inquizitophylax]
THis happens when I start grub
04:07:02 [Inquizitophylax]
Is it not finding something important?
04:07:18 [Inquizitophylax]
eg...knowing how to deal with IDE drives?
04:08:58 [talli]
hmm... i dunno
04:09:04 [talli]
i haven't any trouble doing this stuff
04:09:08 [talli]
you may want to try #gentoo
04:09:14 [talli]
i found them very helpful
04:09:23 [talli]
rather, #gentoo-user
04:09:25 [vinod]
Inquizitophylax: i missed most of this, but block-major-34 is an ide thing
04:10:12 [Inquizitophylax]
Looks like a thing for tomorrow to solve
04:10:25 [vinod]
http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0007.2/0406.html
04:10:27 [Inquizitophylax]
I'm certain Gentoo can sit there and do nothing without crashing
04:10:37 [Inquizitophylax]
FreeBSD did it for 4 days
04:10:45 [Inquizitophylax]
vinod could you e-mail that to me?
04:11:11 [Inquizitophylax]
I can barely keep my eyes open so I think I am going to bed and recompiling the kernel with EEEEEVERYTHING tomorrow
04:11:34 [vinod]
sure :-)
04:11:42 [vinod]
just the link, right?
04:12:42 [Inquizitophylax]
well, if you want to e-mail me a working gentoo image for my hardware I won't complain either :-D
04:13:46 [vinod]
heh - did ya fall asleep and start dreaming already?
04:13:58 [Inquizitophylax]
yes
04:17:20 [Inquizitophylax]
good night
04:18:24 [vinod]
gnite
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11:44:42 [davb]
hi there
12:30:20 [Inquizitophylax]
Aha!
12:30:37 [Inquizitophylax]
That blockmajor stuff was Grub trying to read my NTFS partition
12:30:46 [davb]
oopd
12:31:02 [davb]
you can use grub to as your boot menu
12:31:11 [davb]
well maybe you can, i couldn't figure it out :)
12:31:53 [Inquizitophylax]
I was close
12:32:03 [Inquizitophylax]
I had to just install grub and have a working gentoo box
12:32:06 [Inquizitophylax]
but noooo...
12:32:13 [Inquizitophylax]
So I rebooted into windows for the day
12:32:35 [Inquizitophylax]
will try to install grub when I get home (hopefully I will NOT) have to go through all the stages again
13:02:36 [Inquizitophylax]
about time!
13:02:37 [Inquizitophylax]
Wooo!
13:02:49 [Inquizitophylax]
* Inquizitophylax 's mom passes her road test
13:07:44 [rbm]
ooom
13:09:08 [davb]
cool.
13:09:10 [davb]
hi rbm
13:09:26 [davb]
we have a script to redirect old bboard URLs to new bboard urls!
13:11:40 [davb]
it looks like we still need to figure out how to migrate over the users and passwords.
13:13:15 [rbm]
davb: excellent
13:13:49 [rbm]
davb: I think the passwords on openacs.org are being stored plaintext (!) so it shouldn't be too bad
13:13:50 [davb]
the bboard script looks like it will create users that have posted, but we need to migrate all the users. or maybe not :)
13:13:58 [davb]
no we should of course, migrate all the users.
13:14:13 [rbm]
davb: AFAICR, Michael Cleverly wrote a script to migrate all users from openacs 3.2.5 to 4.5
13:14:13 [davb]
we can probably use the bboard user script to write a general one.
13:14:22 [davb]
ah cool! i didn't see it.
13:14:25 [rbm]
it includes all the bboard posts
13:14:33 [davb]
really?
13:14:37 [rbm]
yep.
13:14:40 [davb]
maube that is this one :)
13:14:41 [rbm]
Michael's the Tcl Man
13:14:52 [rbm]
He absolutely loves Tcl
13:15:02 [davb]
really. interesting.
13:15:14 [rbm]
I will try to get him here
13:15:20 [davb]
I wonder if he has used Xotcl or anything.
13:15:28 [davb]
can he help us with fixing aolserver? :)
13:15:56 [rbm]
He has used Xotcl, and I've asked for help with fixing AOLserevr
13:16:05 [davb]
ah, great!
13:16:20 [rbm]
It looks like there's not much interest in the AOLserver list to fix that, except for zoran :(
13:16:39 [rbm]
* rbm is looking at the forums code
13:16:41 [davb]
anyway. the scripts I have assume you will mount the new bboards at a different URL.
13:16:47 [davb]
i am not sure if we need to do that.
13:17:10 [davb]
rbm: i think it will be too late for tallis deadline. we will have to upgrade to forums later.
13:17:21 [rbm]
when's tallis' deadline?
13:17:25 [davb]
not really talli's deadline, the linuxworld deadline :)
13:17:47 [k2pts]
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13:17:48 [rbm]
Oh, I'm not suggesting we go straight to forums. I was just commenting that I was looking at it.
13:17:52 [rbm]
k2pts!
13:17:57 [davb]
aha :)
13:17:58 [k2pts]
hey rbm: congrats :)
13:18:00 [davb]
hi neophytos
13:18:04 [k2pts]
hi dave
13:18:09 [k2pts]
how 're we doing?
13:18:28 [rbm]
k2pts: :-)
13:18:39 [rbm]
davb: michael's coming
13:18:46 [davb]
everything is running smoothly, and you? (sounds better when the computer voice says it)
13:19:11 [davb]
i am looking to migarting openacs.org right now.
13:19:31 [k2pts]
rbm: from the chatlogs: "He has used Xotcl... " who's "he"?
13:19:37 [rbm]
Michael Cleverly
13:19:45 [rbm]
The Tcl Man (tm)
13:20:03 [k2pts]
nstcl writer, right?
13:20:13 [rbm]
Correct! You are the strongest link!
13:20:20 [k2pts]
heh
13:20:43 [davb]
neato. tilmann's bboard URL converter searches through the bboard messages, and rewrites links to other bboard posts to the new URLs
13:20:44 [k2pts]
I'm literally the strongest link to xotcl :) I was the one who made all that fuss about it :)
13:20:56 [rbm]
k2pts: nstcl 1.0 has ADP templating system support
13:21:01 [Inquizitophylax]
hey all
13:21:09 [davb]
interesting.
13:21:11 [k2pts]
yeah? i haven't checked it for a while...
13:21:18 [rbm]
It hasn't been released yet.
13:21:45 [k2pts]
I hope that I'll bring interesting stuff to the project by the end of the summer...
13:22:41 [rbm]
k2pts: Excellent
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13:23:10 [rbm]
Are CR items object?
13:23:14 [k2pts]
yes
13:23:15 [rbm]
s/object/objects/
13:23:18 [davb]
rbm: yes sir!
13:23:22 [rbm]
Okay.
13:23:31 [rbm]
That table scares me
13:23:45 [davb]
you don't ever toucht the table.
13:23:50 [davb]
rbm: Use the API
13:24:11 [rbm]
davb: The size of that table scares me, is what I should've said
13:24:17 [davb]
ah.
13:24:27 [davb]
acs_objects is bigger :)
13:24:36 [rbm]
that's what I was referring to
13:24:36 [davb]
or is that the one you are referring to?
13:24:45 [k2pts]
heh
13:25:05 [k2pts]
* k2pts says wipe out acs_objects (i hope donb won't see this :)
13:25:31 [davb]
donb doesn't necessarily disagree, he just has pratical considerations. The toolkit works now.
13:25:32 [rbm]
(:
13:25:40 [k2pts]
* k2pts also says keep the architecture object oriented but wipe out acs_objects
13:26:33 [k2pts]
I'm making some efforts into that direction but nothing solid yet... it's been a while that I'm whinking overall design issues and that's why I said I wish to bring something new by the end of the summer
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13:27:08 [davb]
k2pts: sounds really good.
13:27:13 [davb]
hi zzzirk
13:27:20 [zzzirk]
* zzzirk waves
13:27:21 [zzzirk]
howdy
13:27:25 [rbm]
So is creating permissions like news_read, news_create, news_admin the way to go?
13:27:28 [rbm]
zzzirk: hey
13:27:33 [davb]
rbm: not really
13:27:34 [zzzirk]
* zzzirk tips his hat to rbm
13:27:52 [rbm]
davb: I remember reading a thread in which that was frowned upon. I should look for it.
13:27:57 [rbm]
(but asking here is easier)
13:28:09 [k2pts]
also the acs_objects table and the current openacs architecture makes it a bit difficult to split your datamodel into several databases (for very big projects)
13:28:35 [davb]
rbm: see: http://openacs.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=00054G&topic_id=12
13:28:44 [davb]
k2pts: very true.
13:29:07 [davb]
basically I want a toolkit that is a bunch of services that I can built UI on top of.
13:29:35 [davb]
which is what openacs is, but the services are all mixed up. they should be seperated more i think.
13:30:51 [rbm]
davb: not much there
13:31:26 [davb]
do you need permissions that are not already covered by the base ones?
13:32:13 [rbm]
davb: Not really
13:32:41 [rbm]
I want read, create, delete, admin, moderate
13:33:00 [davb]
moderate is the tricky one.
13:33:04 [rbm]
Yes
13:33:16 [davb]
i need something like that for ETP 2 News
13:33:29 [davb]
actually etp 2 will be able to handle your cookbook.
13:33:30 [rbm]
I want to give some users rights over only a section
13:33:46 [davb]
rbm: define section :)
13:33:53 [k2pts]
rbm, davb: any idea why the traffic is so low at the bboards lately
13:33:53 [rbm]
a cookbook section
13:34:09 [davb]
k2pts: not really. maybe because the sun is out :)
13:34:32 [rbm]
davb: How far is etp2?
13:34:35 [davb]
rbm: so Postgresql Cookbok is one section, and OpenACS cookbook is another? or something else?
13:34:55 [davb]
rbm: I am not sure. I can't decide what it actually needs :)
13:35:28 [rbm]
davb: No, more like "Triggers" would be a section in the "PostgreSQL Cookbook". "Sweets" would be a section of the "French Food Cookbook".
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13:36:14 [rbm]
The Tcl Man!
13:36:17 [davb]
rbm: aha.
13:36:25 [mcleverl]
* mcleverl is not The Tcl Man
13:36:58 [rbm]
davb: In trying to make the cookbook package general, I thought it'd be wise to be able to have section-admins
13:37:22 [rbm]
mcleverl: We have installed OACS 4.5 on openacs.org and are migrating the openacs.museatech.net site to it.
13:37:40 [rbm]
mcleverl: I remember you migrated the bboard posts, and we were wondering if you could help us with that.
13:37:51 [rbm]
Yikes! paje died
13:38:13 [rbm]
* rbm resurrects paje
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13:38:30 [rbm]
paje: openacs.org-dez
13:38:30 [zzzirk]
* zzzirk didn't know rbm was a necromancer
13:38:30 [paje]
rbm: what?
13:38:33 [rbm]
paje: openacs.org-dev ?
13:38:33 [paje]
well, openacs.org-dev is 208.184.248.90
13:39:11 [davb]
rbm: etp can do that thus: ETP package nstance Postgresql Cookbook, includes a subsection (another etp package instance) triggers
13:39:27 [davb]
so the permissions are different for each package instance.
13:39:55 [rbm]
davb: ETP 1 or ETP 2?
13:40:04 [davb]
rbm: actually they borh work like that.
13:40:35 [rbm]
davb: But I want users to be able to add sections by themselves (e.g. they can suggest sections)
13:40:38 [mcleverl]
rbm: I crawled the arsdigita.com bboards back in February for the posts, got the email addresses, usernames, and user_id's from the /shared/community-member pages, and then cross referenced arsdigita.com user_id's to openacs.org user_id's, if that's what you mean.
13:40:45 [davb]
Or rbm: i see.
13:41:12 [davb]
this is where I am confused how much ETP 2.0 should do. I think maybe it should not do everything :)
13:41:53 [rbm]
mcleverl: Yes. We'd like that too, but we could use that know-how to migrate the current openacs.org users to the new site.
13:41:54 [davb]
rbm: regular users can suggest, or create a new section?
13:42:20 [mcleverl]
rbm: are there existing users on the dev site that need to be retained?
13:42:23 [davb]
rbm: our scripts connect directly yo the openacs.org 3 database.
13:42:49 [rbm]
davb: On my current (crappy) cookbook incantation, users can create sections. The ideal would be to let users suggest or create based on a parameter
13:42:53 [rbm]
davb: oh
13:43:55 [davb]
rbm: sure. there is a create privilege. i am using that for etp news. registered users can create, but not approve news items. I am not sure if it would work for sections though. that works with the site map.
13:44:50 [davb]
that is one reason I want to have over more content division in ETP. a "part" so I can have a page with multiple "parts" that are stored and editied seperately.
13:44:59 [davb]
but it can be done with the existing code.
13:45:07 [davb]
in a different way.
13:51:50 [rbm]
hmmm
13:51:57 [rbm]
Let me see if I can do this with ETP
13:54:52 [rbm]
mcleverl: No, not really (sorry, had missed your question earlier)
13:55:07 [zzzirk]
* zzzirk believes michael is gone to a meeting
13:59:32 [rbm]
oh
14:08:12 [rbm]
hmmm, etp is dying on the stable tree
14:08:26 [davb]
that seems "unstable"
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14:08:55 [k2pts]
hi cro
14:09:23 [cro]
good morning
14:13:13 [denshi]
ooom
14:13:59 [davb]
hi denshi
14:17:07 [davb]
rbm: i am thinking etp 2.0 will take a little longer. I thought there was more in it than there is. I want to add more default parameters etc, so it is easier to administer.
14:17:37 [rbm]
can you change how etp (current) asks for the content?
14:18:28 [davb]
etp 1.0 would be more work to add user submissions. that is why there is an etp 2.0 :)
14:18:41 [davb]
that said, do you mean the way the forms look?
14:18:50 [rbm]
yes.
14:19:23 [davb]
i think it uses the same form for all content additions. it is kind of a pain because it has a sepearte screen for each attribute.
14:19:28 [rbm]
I don't want users clicking on 5 links (one for each field of the cookbook form) to be able to add a recipe
14:19:37 [davb]
the new etp 2.0 will have seperate admin screens for each content type.
14:19:41 [rbm]
exactly
14:19:50 [davb]
check out http://24.58.162.82:8001/etp1/
14:20:16 [davb]
and etp 2.1 should have dynamically generated forms based on the content_type metadata.
14:21:01 [rbm]
davb: I can't suggest an item
14:21:14 [davb]
oh. you need to register. did it not invite you to?
14:21:19 [davb]
i will need to fix that :)
14:21:29 [rbm]
I did register, then it gave me an error saying I can't create etp1
14:21:41 [davb]
hmmm.
14:22:26 [davb]
oops
14:22:43 [davb]
i forgot to add it. its not automatically creating the privilege yet.
14:22:54 [davb]
its in there now.
14:24:22 [davb]
its super simple.
14:24:37 [rbm]
I still can't create though
14:24:39 [davb]
but sufficient for most content types. Y
14:24:42 [davb]
really.
14:24:45 [davb]
that is annoying :)
14:25:20 [davb]
thanks for testing :)
14:25:53 [rbm]
np
14:26:27 [davb]
try now :)
14:26:37 [davb]
i have two objects named etp1. i think one is the folder.
14:26:44 [davb]
and the other is the package
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14:28:08 [davb]
rbm: you problem will be solved when I add categories to etp :)
14:28:26 [davb]
except for the suggestion part. hmmmm
14:28:43 [rbm]
I don't think I can use etp in its current state for the cookbook, although it has almost everything in there
14:28:52 [davb]
right, almost.
14:29:16 [davb]
i think really i need to finish etp 2.0 so that something exists. then move to etp 2.1 :)
14:31:20 [rbm]
is "tetrachampion" right?
14:33:22 [rbm]
davb: okay, suggested. Now you have to approve it.
14:33:43 [rbm]
davb: BTW, the user is given no notice that his/her input has been submitted for approval :-)
14:33:55 [davb]
oh good point :)
14:34:09 [davb]
now that it "works" i need to make it nice.
14:34:20 [rbm]
davb: so you changed the news templates?
14:34:26 [rbm]
Oh, is this your etp2 on development?
14:34:32 [davb]
yes.
14:34:44 [rbm]
Ah, okay.
14:34:55 [davb]
etp1 is the number of the package instance, not the version number :)
14:35:47 [rbm]
Maybe I should help you finish etp 2 then.
14:43:26 [talli]
davb: very cool!
14:43:38 [talli]
rbm: congrats!
14:43:42 [davb]
talli: it still needs alot of work :)
14:43:47 [talli]
although perhaps condolences are in order?
14:44:22 [rbm]
Germany is not any stronger than Brazil, but it is lucky.
14:44:35 [talli]
davb: do you want to get the tools that lars has built for the form generator?
14:44:43 [davb]
sure!
14:44:52 [talli]
ok, i'll tell him to send them over
14:44:59 [talli]
he's in amsterdam today for the social
14:45:03 [davb]
is he planning on adding them to openacs?
14:45:12 [talli]
yes, certainly
14:45:29 [talli]
but they've been busy with dev work so prob haven't had the time to release anything, or prepare for release at all
14:45:44 [davb]
ok. i want etp2.0 to run on openacs 4.5 so i won't use them officially.
14:47:20 [talli]
however, his work is mostly for tables that are not in OACS, if i understand correctly
14:47:26 [talli]
i mean, not in the CR
14:47:28 [davb]
k2pts: is i have a service contract implementation for etp_page_revision, will it work for content_types that are children on etp_page_revision?
14:47:37 [talli]
oh, hey k2pts!
14:47:49 [davb]
talli: thats ok.
14:48:48 [talli]
davb: have you looked at luke's form generation tool? i think that lars' work is built up from that
14:49:08 [davb]
talli: i saw it yesterday and looked at it a little.
14:49:27 [talli]
ok
14:49:34 [davb]
etp 2.0 is designed to use the CR, but allow additional tables for extended content types.
14:50:38 [talli]
ok, very cool
14:52:56 [davb]
hmmm. news has admin and news-admin, but the admin pages are only avaialble to admins. so i don't think you can grant just approval to a user.
14:53:25 [davb]
is that correct? pages in packagename/www/admin are restricted to thos with admin privilege?
14:57:56 [k2pts]
hey talli
14:58:26 [k2pts]
davb: just pass the etp_page_revision as the implementation_name upon calling an operation instead of the subtype
14:59:24 [davb]
k2pts: specifically for search though, will it use the content_type of the object? so i need an implmentation for each type?
14:59:43 [davb]
brb
15:01:38 [k2pts]
davb: I'm not sure what object_type is stored in the acs_objects table (the search package use that)
15:02:11 [davb]
ok.
15:04:06 [davb]
hmmm. computer club is having a speaker from microsoft. think its a good idea to suggest a Linux SIG at that meeting?? :)
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15:08:23 [talli]
davb: first you should find out how much teh speaker from microsoft is paying the computer club
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15:14:55 [davb]
heh
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15:16:26 [davb]
oh goody. it looks like someone besides be will write the intermedia driver for search :)
15:20:50 [k2pts]
davb: just read your msg here. I have replied to yon that you once tried to implement FtsEngineDriver and that I didn't know how much you've progressed....
15:21:06 [davb]
i got a headache :)
15:21:20 [davb]
intermedia is very complex.
15:21:32 [rbm]
Okay, so I'm creating the cookbook by hooking to the CR...
15:22:12 [rbm]
What I have in mind is a cr_cookbook_sections table that references cr_revisions, and a cr_cookbook_recipes that references cr_revisions and cr_cookbook_sections...
15:22:33 [k2pts]
davb: did you ported the package to oracle?
15:22:40 [davb]
k2pts: nope.
15:22:45 [rbm]
am I on the right track here?
15:22:53 [davb]
like you said, that is the easy part.
15:22:59 [k2pts]
yeap
15:23:03 [davb]
rbm: hang on. why are you using the CR again?
15:23:13 [rbm]
searching
15:23:37 [rbm]
one interface, less work, the right way (tm)
15:23:43 [k2pts]
I don't think it would be too difficult to implement it... we just need someone that knows how to manually call intermedia (i.e. index items, ...)
15:24:23 [davb]
i ran into the problem that from the analysis, you would need to call the service contract from pl/sql.
15:24:56 [davb]
the current intermedia search code has an astounding amount of dynamically generated code in it.
15:27:33 [davb]
aha!
15:27:39 [davb]
i mean uhoh.
15:27:42 [davb]
i found a little bug.
15:27:49 [davb]
in news.
15:28:57 [rbm]
stable or devel?
15:29:03 [rbm]
or both?
15:29:04 [paje]
both are gpl compatible afaik
15:29:17 [rbm]
paje: they are indeed
15:29:17 [paje]
...but they is doing it b/c they want to reassure business...
15:29:18 [paje]
...but they are doing it b/c they want to reassure business...
15:29:20 [davb]
stable, and I assume devel. I am checking the test server and sdm
15:29:21 [talli]
i always got the sense that intermedia is basically black magic
15:29:23 [talli]
that no one in the world knows how it works
15:29:24 [talli]
holy chirst
15:29:34 [davb]
talli: that is true.
15:29:59 [rbm]
any opinions on my CR stuff?
15:32:39 [davb]
rbm: if you need search, i think i misled you before. you stuff need to be an acs_object to be searchable.
15:32:53 [davb]
i don't think a section needs to be a cr_revision does it?
15:33:00 [davb]
check out cr_folders
15:33:27 [davb]
otherwise it looks ok.
15:34:31 [rbm]
davb: But CR items are objects.
15:34:48 [rbm]
davb: I was just looking at cr_folders.
15:35:04 [rbm]
There are no examples in the docs of content that goes into different categories
15:35:11 [davb]
sure. but origianlly you said you wanted to not make them objects.
15:35:27 [davb]
rbm: actaully forget folders, use cr_keywords to categorize them.
15:35:36 [rbm]
davb: Correct, but if the CR takes care of the acs_objects uglyness for me, I don't care that much.
15:35:44 [davb]
rbm: ok :)
15:35:58 [davb]
actually use the new category package that I haven't written yet.
15:36:09 [davb]
with the new etp package I haven't written yet :)
15:36:27 [rbm]
Looks like this is what I'm looking for: doc/acs-content-repository/guide/object-relationships.html
15:36:52 [talli]
very cool. darylb wants to work on the contract for intermedia
15:36:58 [davb]
that is good actually.
15:37:02 [talli]
he's an oracle DBA and knows it very well
15:37:03 [davb]
talli: excellent!
15:37:24 [talli]
at least, darylb just posted that he's interested in finding out more about the contract
15:38:09 [rbm]
"Note that there is no currently no explicit API to "add a child." You specify the parent of an item upon creating it. You can use the API procedure content_item.move to change the parent of an item."
15:38:41 [davb]
right. so you specify the cookbook section as the parent_id.
15:38:48 [davb]
when you call content_item__new
15:38:50 [rbm]
So I'm not sure what to make of my sections table. Should it be a cr_item or not?
15:39:09 [davb]
a cr_folder is a cr_item. cr_folders already has a table.
15:39:35 [davb]
you only need a table if cr_items does not have a column for some attribute you want to record.
15:39:45 [rbm]
So I just call the PL/pgSQL API to create the sections as cr_folders?
15:39:55 [davb]
i think that will work.
15:40:02 [rbm]
hmmm
15:40:12 [rbm]
* rbm vows to add cr examples to the docs
15:40:36 [davb]
if I ever finish etp 2.0, i'll document that also.
15:41:00 [davb]
we are doing a big data migration in about 20 mins, so i probably won't be back until tonight.
15:41:27 [davb]
anyway, my theory that the approval pages will have to be outside www/admin was correct.
15:41:48 [davb]
rbm: you could always use CMS :)
15:41:52 [rbm]
davb: I think you're right.
15:42:10 [rbm]
(wrt cr_folders)
15:42:49 [rbm]
Hmmm, but then when do you use cr_keywords?
15:48:55 [davb]
you probably don't need it.
15:49:31 [davb]
some features are trapped in the cr that might need to escape.
15:51:26 [davb]
actually. it would probably be easier to run postgresql with openfts beside an oracle install for indexing and search.
15:55:13 [davb]
bbl
15:55:33 [rbm]
Inquizitophylax: You here?
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16:39:29 [talli]
i'm managing to consistenly crash mozilla
16:39:48 [rbm]
really? I haven't had it crash in a long time
16:40:28 [talli]
well, it's usually when i'm compiling something else and the computer's resources are stretched
16:40:39 [denshi]
I haven't crashed it but once since Release
16:41:00 [talli]
well, doesn't that mean i'm better than you guys?
16:41:22 [talli]
i can destroy paltry software applications, while you people bask in the status quo of "stability"?
16:41:44 [denshi]
heh
16:42:10 [denshi]
I crashed it when my raytracer hit an infinite recursion and ate all my memory
16:42:26 [talli]
that's what she said
16:43:28 [denshi]
talli, botsmack
16:45:12 [talli]
* talli shouts "FREEDOM" like william wallace
16:45:16 [talli]
can't hold me down
16:45:36 [talli]
it is raining hard in New York City
16:45:43 [talli]
* talli has drank way too much coffee today
16:46:13 [rbm]
Hmmm, is PL/SQL API search broken on stable?
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17:08:46 [denshi]
gitdown!
17:08:46 [paje]
gitfunky
17:09:39 [markd2]
rock(tm)
17:10:07 [denshi]
bork(patent pending)
17:11:12 [talli]
talli!
17:11:22 [talli]
hey talli, how are you?
17:11:28 [talli]
pretty good, talli. you?
17:11:36 [talli]
i'm fine, thank talli.
17:11:48 [talli]
say, talli, are you still as good looking as i remember?
17:11:54 [talli]
i don't know, talli, lemme check.
17:11:58 [talli]
yup, talli, i am
17:12:02 [talli]
talli: great!
17:12:33 [rbm]
talli is a schizzorfrenic now?
17:12:43 [rbm]
err, schizzophrenic (sp?)
17:12:56 [rbm]
"I'm not schizzophrenic. Neither am I"
17:13:06 [denshi]
schtizophrenic?
17:13:13 [talli]
i don't know. lemme ask talli
17:13:17 [talli]
talli: are you schizo?
17:13:21 [talli]
talli: hell no!
17:13:25 [rbm]
dict says it's schizophrenic
17:13:29 [talli]
i'm beautiful!
17:14:41 [denshi]
paje, again!
17:14:42 [paje]
* paje spanks talli
17:14:49 [talli]
paje, again!
17:14:50 [paje]
* paje spanks talli
17:16:02 [markd2]
paje, again!!
17:16:03 [paje]
markd2: i'm not following you...
17:16:06 [markd2]
rats!
17:17:02 [talli]
turtles!
17:32:11 [lilo]
[GlobalNotice] Hi all. I have a website up at http://lilo.sargasso.net/ explaining my current situation. I'm asking for help on a personal basis to keep working as OPN head of staff and to finish setting up the nonprofit corp. Contributions have been a bit light for the past couple of days, so if you're thinking of helping, please take a look, and thanks.
17:35:11 [davb]
http://openacs.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0003za&topic_id=OpenACS%204%2e0%20Design&topic=12
17:35:11 [oacs-chump]
D: http://openacs.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0003za&topic_id=OpenACS%204%2e0%20Design&topic=12 from davb
17:35:25 [davb]
D:|Thread to look at on cleaning up openacs now that 4.5 is out.
17:35:26 [oacs-chump]
titled item D
17:36:33 [davb]
oh, i see shagster volunteered for cleanup crew.
17:36:40 [davb]
and I notice he's not here :)
17:37:21 [davb]
we can use bugtracker to organize it.
17:40:46 [rbm]
yeah=
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18:04:51 [talli]
shagster seems liek a total sysadmin
18:07:15 [talli]
davb: http://www-124.ibm.com/developerworks/projects/soap4tcl/
18:07:16 [talli]
http://www-124.ibm.com/developerworks/projects/soap4tcl/
18:07:17 [oacs-chump]
E: http://www-124.ibm.com/developerworks/projects/soap4tcl/ from talli
18:07:26 [talli]
E: SOAP4Tcl at IBM
18:07:26 [oacs-chump]
added comment E1
18:24:10 [talli]
rbm: you around?
18:24:32 [talli]
paje, seen rbm ?
18:24:32 [paje]
rbm was last seen on #openacs 43 minutes and 45 seconds ago, saying: yeah= [Wed Jun 26 12:40:30 2002]
18:28:12 [rbm]
what's up talli?
18:28:17 [rbm]
I'm going to have lunch now
18:28:30 [talli]
have you ever heard of Stoq?
18:28:39 [talli]
http://www.stoq.com.br
18:28:39 [oacs-chump]
F: http://www.stoq.com.br from talli
18:28:47 [talli]
i can't figure it out because it's all in Portugese :)
18:29:34 [rbm]
no. let me look
18:30:53 [rbm]
talli: brb
18:31:23 [talli]
ok
18:31:32 [talli]
question to ponder over lunch...
18:31:43 [talli]
would it be hard to build a POS using OACS as the backend?
18:44:04 [denshi]
they probably wouldn't be a good fit
18:46:28 [talli]
how come?
18:46:45 [talli]
wait on that answer... i gotta go to the bank
18:46:47 [talli]
bbiab
19:10:01 [davb]
http://cedar.intel.com/cgi-bin/ids.dll/content/content.jsp?cntKey=Generic%20Editorial::ws_tcl&cntType=IDS_EDITORIAL
19:10:02 [oacs-chump]
G: http://cedar.intel.com/cgi-bin/ids.dll/content/content.jsp?cntKey=Generic%20Editorial::ws_tcl&cntType=IDS_EDITORIAL from davb
19:18:31 [rbm]
that page crashed mozilla. Rats!
19:18:40 [rbm]
Oh, no it didn't
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19:28:03 [davb]
bbl
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19:36:32 [talli]
rbm or denshi: you guys around?
19:37:00 [denshi]
I bid thee 'ooom'
19:37:59 [talli]
so why couldn't the oacs be a POS?
19:38:19 [denshi]
why do you need all the community stuff for a POS?
19:38:25 [denshi]
it might very well get in the way
19:38:46 [rbm]
* rbm is back
19:38:56 [talli]
forget teh community stuff. the permissioning stuff is good, though
19:38:57 [denshi]
most POS systems like to make their own GUIs, too, for local control better than Javascript
19:39:23 [denshi]
it's entirely possible that you could do that
19:39:24 [talli]
yeah, but one could build a GUI frontend in XUL and integrate with the system via XML-RPC
19:39:45 [rbm]
talli: I've thought about a POS/OpenACS several times.
19:40:00 [denshi]
and if you were running OACS for a website and wanted to run physical POS out of the same system, then that would be really cool
19:40:08 [talli]
denshi: that's the idea
19:40:24 [rbm]
I thougth of making a templating system backend that would spill out Tk calls instead of HTML
19:40:33 [talli]
so if you have a store that you want to have an ecommerce system for both your online and real world transactions...
19:40:50 [rbm]
talli: but why XUL?
19:40:55 [denshi]
the permissioning thing would be cool b/c you could group & audit sales from the POS and the website differently
19:40:58 [talli]
just one of many options
19:41:02 [rbm]
right
19:41:21 [talli]
but XUL is XP and has a lot of the XML-RPC stuff built in
19:41:32 [talli]
but there are also things like PyCard, Qt, etc
19:41:32 [rbm]
XP?
19:41:33 [paje]
well, XP is user friendly enough to make it impossible to get inside if you need to.
19:41:36 [talli]
doesn't really mater
19:41:49 [rbm]
I haven't heard of PyCard
19:41:53 [talli]
paje also XP == cross-platform
19:41:53 [paje]
talli: excuse me?
19:42:08 [rbm]
What do you mean by XP?
19:42:11 [talli]
paje XP also XP == Cross Platform
19:42:12 [paje]
talli: huh?
19:42:30 [talli]
rbm: XP is another term for cross platform
19:42:31 [rbm]
paje: XP is also == Cross Platform
19:42:32 [paje]
okay, rbm.
19:42:36 [rbm]
oh, okay.
19:42:44 [talli]
it's why Mozilla has XPCOM, XPInstaller, etc
19:43:15 [talli]
PyCard is an open source port of HyperCard to python
19:43:53 [talli]
http://pythoncard.sourceforge.net/
19:43:54 [oacs-chump]
H: http://pythoncard.sourceforge.net/ from talli
19:44:17 [talli]
H: PythonCard: GUI construction kit for building cross-platform desktop applications on Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux, using the Python language.
19:44:17 [oacs-chump]
added comment H1
19:44:54 [mcleverl]
Question: Did anything for supporting multiple databases using the database api ever make it into OpenACS, like the one discussed in this thread? http://openacs.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0003ed
19:45:12 [denshi]
in a word, yes
19:45:38 [denshi]
that's the whole oracle/postgres multiple database solution
19:45:53 [mcleverl]
Uh... maybe I didn't explain what I meant to very well.
19:45:57 [talli]
http://wiki.wxpython.org/index.cgi/UsingPythonCardWithXmlRpc
19:45:58 [oacs-chump]
I: http://wiki.wxpython.org/index.cgi/UsingPythonCardWithXmlRpc from talli
19:46:10 [talli]
I: Building an XML-RPC CMS with PythonCard
19:46:11 [oacs-chump]
added comment I1
19:47:09 [mcleverl]
Not, does OpenACS work on multiple databass (Oracle & Postgres), but can the database api be configured to talk to different databases (and still be able to use the database api, and not the lower level AOLserver ns_db routines). For example, OACS running on PG that can also query a Sybase/Solid/Oracle db, using the database api?
19:50:03 [denshi]
ah
19:50:12 [denshi]
I do not know at this time
19:51:08 [mcleverl]
I've found threads that talk about adding it, but nothing that I can see indicating that it was ever included. I'm preparing the next release of nstcl and wanted to be compatible in this regard, if OACS had implemented anything.
20:24:15 [rbm]
paje: seen Inquizitophylax
20:24:16 [paje]
Inquizitophylax was last seen on #openacs 16 hours, 6 minutes and 54 seconds ago, saying: good night [Tue Jun 25 23:17:05 2002]
20:24:19 [rbm]
argh
20:27:44 [rbm]
paje: seen Wookiephylax
20:27:44 [paje]
Wookiephylax was last seen on #openacs 2 days, 1 hours, 22 minutes and 56 seconds ago, saying: no I was in NYC [Mon Jun 24 14:04:31 2002]
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21:42:07 [davb]
http://advogato.com/article/215.html
21:42:08 [oacs-chump]
J: http://advogato.com/article/215.html from davb
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23:00:18 [davb]
wow, etp2.0 is pretty flexible, but reqires coding.
23:03:05 [davb]
aha. i was correct.
23:03:34 [davb]
bboard, for example has no www/admin directory. because we might want a bboard admin to help out, but not be a site-wide admin.
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vinod!
23:16:55 [vinod]
denshi!
23:17:46 [denshi]
* denshi needs to automate his vinod-greeter
23:18:11 [vinod]
wait - denshi's not a bot?
23:18:21 [denshi]
busted...
23:54:21 [Inquizitophylax]
blech
23:54:30 [Inquizitophylax]
paje, seen docwolf
23:54:39 [Inquizitophylax]
paje, you dirty slut
23:54:41 [Inquizitophylax]
where are you
23:59:03 [Inquizitophylax]
roberto?
23:59:05 [Inquizitophylax]
rbm
23:59:07 [Inquizitophylax]
hmm
23:59:13 [Inquizitophylax]
anyone alive?