00:04:19 benadida (~benadida@66-108-98-245.nyc.rr.com) has joined #openacs 00:04:39 bena! 00:04:49 Hey there :) 00:04:56 err, oops... too many as... 00:05:27 hey, got a question for ya... 00:05:36 do you think Berklee could make use of: 00:06:30 http://12.155.172.152:8000/key-sig-drill/ 00:06:31 A: http://12.155.172.152:8000/key-sig-drill/ from jim 00:06:41 chumpy :) 00:06:49 forgot about him yet again 00:07:13 Interesting. I think Berklee has a pretty tight schedule overall. 00:07:26 but certainly you could ask them directly. 00:08:37 I think Berklee is going to be an excellent dotLRN case study 00:08:38 I'm just now finishing up factoring out the question types; they can be used for drill questions of any subject where the answer can be randomly and algorithmically be determined 00:09:35 any chance www/doc files could find their way into the dotlrn packages soonish? :) 00:10:41 I mean... I went and printed the source of packages/dotlrn 00:10:49 7 -hundred- pages 00:11:08 (hold, phone, be back in a sec) 00:18:04 * jim pats his new laser printer :) 00:18:29 thats alot of code. 00:18:41 I am really getting to like emacs and dired mode. 00:18:49 I can navigate and get alot of stuff done. 00:19:43 we are working on docs for sure, but it is going to take a while longer 00:20:06 our first step is getting PG runnability. Our next step developer docs 00:20:26 how's the pg thing going? 00:20:42 lookin good for 7/1? :) 00:21:24 7/1 for initial runnability will be tight, but we're getting there. 00:21:31 7/15 will be far better tested 00:24:34 given classes would start in the fall, I think both schools will consider you/themselves ahead of schedule L:) 00:26:25 what will need to be done between 7/15 and start of fall semester? 00:28:25 each school is working on that on their own 00:28:28 lots of testing and data migration mostly 00:29:14 so you're saying that the project is basically complete? :) 00:29:48 well it will soon be complete for its first release at Sloan and Berklee, yes. 00:29:55 But I suspect many enhancements will come soon 00:32:24 rbm: are you around? 00:33:38 benadida: rbm and I are working on migrating openacs.org to openacs 4.5. I suspect there will be issues with broken links. Has anyone thought about that? 00:34:56 davb: hi 00:35:15 hi rbm. wondering if you will have some time to think about the new site. 00:35:22 now or later is fine. 00:35:32 I haven't thought about that (the links), but that's a great point. I have to jet out for now but I'll be back on later 00:35:35 benadida has left #openacs 00:35:39 ok bye 00:41:20 is there a command to clear the emacs minibuffer? its not on my cheat sheet. 00:43:32 do you mean like C-A C-K ? 00:43:51 thats it ! 00:43:55 thanks 00:43:59 np :-) 01:04:30 ok, now to test my new only search live revisions code version 2.0 01:04:47 argh 01:04:52 its broken. 01:04:53 :( 01:05:02 doh 01:05:28 it will always break when you announce that you're gonna test it :-) 01:05:35 oops 01:05:39 intarray is not installed. 01:05:44 i can not keep track of this stuff. 01:06:09 tell me bout it 01:06:18 actually lib_int.so is in /usr/local/pgsql 01:06:28 i stop using openacs for a month and i feel like a complete newbie again 01:07:25 aha 01:10:16 ok. my load.sql pointed to the wrong place. 01:10:29 thats what I get for installing from source and debian package 01:10:44 ok. 01:13:32 oops. 01:14:05 ah. broken case statement 01:15:44 uhoh, query returned more than one row. 01:15:45 oops. 01:19:05 darn, crashed aolserver. 01:20:17 actually, crashed postgresql 01:20:20 hmmm 01:20:26 wow, you're on a roll :-) 01:20:39 time to take a break. 01:20:49 well the procs to insert into the index seem to work. 01:25:45 hmmm. i had this before. 01:25:47 oh yeah. 01:26:05 relkov that comes with postgresql will crash with openfts. use the one that openfts compiles. 01:28:18 actually i couldnt find relkov installed at all. 01:28:45 darn still crashes. 01:28:47 hmmm 01:29:28 what statement is crashing it? 01:29:50 select txt.tid as object_id, 01:29:50 relor( 1.0, 0.1, '0', txt.tid, '{0,2,-1938594527}' ) as pos 01:29:50 from txt 01:29:50 where 01:29:50 01:29:51 ( txt.fts_index @ '{7562529}' ) 01:29:53 01:29:55 order by pos desc 01:29:57 limit 10 01:29:59 offset 0; 01:30:01 its the relor 01:30:03 i had the exact some problem with pg 7.2 01:30:27 oops :) 01:30:29 it is 7.2 01:30:35 i need to recompile :) 01:32:41 I had to pratically rewrite the .configure script for it to work with a debian 7.2 01:32:57 yeah, i remember doing that as well. 01:33:16 i actally fixed it. I added for ifs for the debian settings 01:33:29 probably should submit a patch or something :) 01:33:56 you said it, not me 01:34:02 heh 01:34:04 * vinod hands davb his todo list 01:34:16 it it works on the second install I will consider it. 01:36:47 I think the openacs-4 devel tree is broken 01:36:53 I can't finish installation 01:37:02 oh, that seems unfun. 01:37:13 [24/Jun/2002:20:35:23][21672.4101][-conn0-] Error: Error sourcing /var/www/openacs-4/packages/acs-bootstrap-installer/installer/packages-install.tcl: 01:37:13 psql:acs-install.sql:247: ERROR: apm_packages_package_key_fk referential integrity violation - key referenced from apm_packages not found in apm_package_types 01:37:13 psql:acs-install.sql:254: ERROR: ExecAppend: Fail to add null value in not null attribute object_id 01:37:37 weird. 01:38:27 I was trying to get my personal site on the devel tree 01:38:27 how can i tell which aolserver I am running? 01:38:33 oh tricky. 01:38:36 nsd -v 01:38:38 that's weird. i did an install yesterday from cvs and it worked 01:38:39 cool. 01:39:11 rbm: i read today that is is best to stick to a tagged branch. possibly easier to work with. 01:39:20 are you doing the whole CVS thing with your site? 01:39:52 davb: I am eventually. 01:39:58 ah. good idea. 01:40:02 it works very well. 01:40:13 One of these days I will update to some newer code. 01:40:17 What I never understood is how to sinc my site with the updates that have been done to the OACS tree 01:40:25 s/sinc/sync/ 01:40:32 read lars advice and the link i posted today. 01:40:39 D: 01:40:39 Label D not found. 01:40:51 oops, chump must have rolled. 01:40:53 you mean sync changes back into the oacs tree or from oacs to your site? 01:40:59 vinod: the latter 01:40:59 well, the latter is an advanced adjunct to a primer 01:41:06 paje: thanks 01:41:06 de rien rbm 01:41:37 rbm: you do a vendor checkin. and try to merge. if it breaks CVS gives you advice on how to merge sucessfully. 01:41:42 lars's advice works for that - http://www.pinds.com/acs-tips/openacs-setup 01:41:44 verdot import. 01:41:51 anyway, you get the idea :) 01:42:09 http://www.piskorski.com/acs/ is good too. 01:42:21 a little longer 01:43:35 woohoo!! 01:43:44 i got the openfts configure to run on the first try! 01:44:05 nice! you mean with your changes right? 01:44:20 Yon has been commiting quite a bit of stuff for the forums port, request processor cleanup, tree stuff, etc. 01:44:21 yes. 01:44:27 heh, make still doesn't work though :) 01:45:07 ../include/fts.h:16: tcl.h: No such file or directory 01:45:07 make[1]: *** [Parser.o] Error 1 01:45:14 i remember that one 01:45:27 i had to edit Makefile.global i think 01:45:28 I've never setup openfts yet. I need to. 01:45:42 I am working on making it easier for debian 01:46:11 this post, i think: http://openacs.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=00049C&topic_id=OpenACS&topic=11 01:46:13 davb: odds are tcl.h is found in a crazy include subdit 01:46:20 s/subdit/subdir/ 01:46:24 is this on debian? 01:46:47 its in /usr/include 01:47:25 oh, hey ola already did the patch to the configure script. 01:47:27 duh 01:47:28 davb: fts.h is in /usr/include? 01:47:36 huh. mine's in /usr/include/tcl8.3/tcl.h 01:47:42 tcl.h 01:48:04 not mine. 01:48:26 mine is in /usr/include/tcl8.3 also 01:48:29 distro? 01:48:41 debian sid 01:48:57 vinod: i thought it was already compiled, so I didn't read that part of your install. silly me. 01:49:20 hey 01:49:26 np :-) i don't read anything i write either 01:49:40 hey it didn't work, because i don;t have /usr/include/tcl8.3 01:49:41 weird. 01:49:48 mine is debian sid too 01:50:09 ah 01:50:14 i don't have tcl8.3-dev installed 01:50:16 silly me 01:50:25 i wonder where that tcl.h came from. 01:50:38 that fixed it. 01:52:43 darn still crashes 01:52:45 argh 01:52:46 :) 01:54:30 ah. i need to drop all that stuff in my db. 01:54:35 time to reload the datamodel 01:55:04 oops 01:55:05 darn 01:55:12 too many windows open 02:02:04 oacs-chump has quit (Remote closed the connection) 02:03:25 jabba_ (~jabba@adsl-65-65-96-45.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) has joined #openacs 02:03:28 abbaJ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02:03:34 oacs-chump (~oacs-chum@alb-24-58-160-28.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 02:03:41 cool. 02:04:34 argh. 02:04:44 weird, my install is now not completing. 02:05:14 ok WTF 02:05:22 MY openacs install if getting that error rbm! 02:05:34 you didn't update my code too did you :)? 02:05:40 i thought this was beta. 02:06:48 did you just do an update? 02:06:57 nope. 02:07:03 weird 02:07:09 i just dropdb/createdbed. it was working 10 mins ago. 02:07:18 the gremlins are out in force tonight 02:07:36 must be. 02:08:24 paje: we need you to sacrifice a lizzard to the internet g0ds 02:08:25 rbm: sorry... 02:08:29 All is lost! 02:09:42 ok i'm gonna tempt fate and try to install from the cvs head 02:09:56 [24/Jun/2002:21:09:29][23411.4101][-conn0-] Error: Error sourcing /var/www/lbn-dev/packages/acs-bootstrap-installer/installer/packages-install.tcl: 02:09:56 psql:acs-install.sql:247: ERROR: apm_packages_package_key_fk referential integrity violation - key referenced from apm_packages not found in apm_package_types 02:09:56 psql:acs-install.sql:254: ERROR: ExecAppend: Fail to add null value in not null attribute object_id 02:10:03 Acs-content-repository not installed. 02:10:05 woah 02:10:09 Same error with a freshly checked out copy 02:10:16 davb: Same error I get here. 02:10:22 Seems like HEAD is foobar'd 02:10:28 yeah, but I didn't check out today. 02:10:37 this is from last week, and it worked a few mins ago. 02:10:54 davb: Are you sure you didn't update? I know Yon has been messing with the bootstrap installer 02:10:56 oh wait. 02:11:03 i fooled around with the CR :) 02:11:12 probably my fault. 02:11:23 I got a lot of *ABORT STATE* 02:11:23 *ABORT STATE* 02:11:32 during the CR installation 02:11:34 i am looking into it. 02:11:51 not one abort in my log... 02:13:22 davb: I get it in the /packages-install? page 02:13:28 me too. 02:16:05 argh, 02:16:07 hmmmm 02:16:16 i just need my copies of search and etp20 02:22:11 yeah, i made it past acs-cr 02:22:31 weird. maybe I did update the code, but I didn't think so. 02:22:31 gkrellm is nice 02:23:02 I'm installing the stable branch. I need to get this rolling soon. 02:23:23 rbm: i like gkrellm a lot 02:23:34 vinod: did you see my screenshot? 02:23:37 esp on my laptop since it shows battery charge etc 02:23:41 no 02:23:41 vinod: Yeah 02:24:18 * davb apt-gets gkrellm 02:24:56 I have it showing CPU usage, Processes, CPU and System temperature, Fans speeds, HD usage, eth0 Usage, memory, swap, uptime 02:25:09 Oh, and calendar info :) 02:25:10 neat 02:25:24 WTF is up with "4 users" hmmm 02:25:27 should I be worried? 02:25:35 rbm: cool :-) 02:25:52 or might some of them be processed running as a particular user? 02:26:01 vinod: http://www.brasileiro.net/roberto/shots/gkrellm.png 02:26:07 w 02:26:08 ack 02:26:10 boo? 02:26:10 oooh! ya skared me! 02:26:17 boo? 02:26:17 oooh! ya skared me! 02:26:18 haha 02:26:20 paje! 02:26:24 cool, it can check your mail 02:26:29 hey Beatnick 02:26:31 paje, check my mail 02:26:32 Beatnik: sorry... 02:26:34 Have you seen mbr? 02:26:36 Hey Roberto 02:26:44 rbm: nice! 02:26:47 yes yes I have 02:26:51 Beatnik: BTW, my CPU stays at around 27 C. 02:26:51 what's up? 02:26:56 That's excellent 02:27:11 You must have a very good computer case with excellent airflow 02:27:22 If I don't have my air conditioning on, it usually stays at 30. 02:27:46 It's a nice case, and I tried to keep air flow flowing nicely. 02:27:53 <-- loves screwless cases 02:28:07 :) 02:28:36 rbm: which case is it? 02:29:17 davb: hmmmph... I don't remember. 02:29:27 ok :) 02:30:38 Ok 02:30:40 I have questions 02:30:47 Beatnik is now known as Inquizitophylax 02:31:04 Say I have a computer with 2 hard drives 02:31:09 a 15 gig and a 20 gig 02:31:26 my install worked. cvs update'd today 02:31:57 the 20 gig hard drive has windows on it (which I like and don't want nuked) 02:32:06 The 15 gig hard drive has Mandrake Linux (blech) 02:32:15 i want to get rid of Mandrake and put gentoo on 02:32:42 Inquizitophylax: what boot loader does gentoo use? 02:33:08 I also do not want to remove my har 02:33:11 err 02:33:27 I also don't want to keep taking my computer case in and out 02:33:31 Gentoo uses Grub 02:33:34 vinod: weird. Which PG? 02:33:36 cool 02:33:41 grub==good 02:33:50 daveb is on 7.2 02:33:53 .? 02:34:04 So basically, is there a way to disable the windows hard drive and only play with my Linux drive 02:34:09 7.1.3 02:34:21 Inquizitophylax: oh. i usually unplug it. its the safest way. 02:34:23 Also, my Linux drive is hdc 02:34:30 you can disable it in the BIOS. 02:34:37 That's what I was thinking 02:34:39 say primary master NONE primary slave NONE etc... 02:34:53 but somehow my computer can still boot from the windows drive sometimes 02:35:16 set the boot drive in the BIOS also. 02:35:23 Right 02:35:27 the safest way is to unplug it. 02:35:33 How badly can I trash that? 02:35:57 as long as you don't repartition it, you should be ok. 02:36:09 if its NTFS linux can't write NTFS anyway :) 02:36:26 it is NTFS 02:36:40 ok brb then 02:36:43 but it can overwrite the mbr or something 02:37:07 Is Lar's ratings stuff available anywhere? 02:37:51 just a quick question 02:37:57 Wookiephylax has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:37:57 a sector is 512K? 02:38:22 so 2 sectors is a megabyte? 02:38:50 rbm: yup - http://www.pinds.com/lars/whats-this-site-running 02:39:19 ok cool 02:39:20 brb 02:39:51 i suspect a sector is 512 bytes, bit it might depend on the drive. i haven't been a hardware nerd in a long time. 02:40:03 vinod: Yeah, just found it. 02:40:58 someone is working on general-ratings also 02:41:28 rbm: we need to strategize on installing openfts on the openacs.org box. 02:46:08 arg 02:46:49 units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 02:46:52 what the hell is a unit? 02:47:39 Anyone? 02:48:04 sorry - no clue 02:48:49 I'm trying to figure out partitions using fdisk 02:48:54 It doesn't have megabytes :( 02:49:12 davb: indeed 02:49:23 Inquizitophylax: do you have cfdisk? 02:49:30 no 02:49:52 Just fdisk 02:50:00 once I figure out what the hell a unit is I'm good 02:50:17 I haven't used fdisk in a very long time 02:51:12 yeah no kidding 02:51:18 I have no idea what the units are 02:51:30 that is wacky. 02:52:36 wait 02:52:46 can't I just use my existing partitions from Mandrake? 02:52:53 sure. 02:53:46 hmm 02:57:45 ahhh crud 02:57:59 I messed up sizes 02:59:49 weird. my etp is now broken. 03:00:37 nm :) 03:01:09 argh 03:01:12 another reload! 03:18:54 paje, seen davb ? 03:18:54 davb was last seen on #openacs 17 minutes and 43 seconds ago, saying: another reload! [Mon Jun 24 22:01:00 2002] 03:26:51 hi talli 03:27:07 hey davb 04:20:07 good night 04:20:09 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 04:36:41 vinod has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 07:10:38 Inquizitophylax has quit (Ping timeout: 14400 seconds) 09:59:41 docwolf has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:43:32 davb (~chatzilla@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-204.biz.rr.com) has joined #openacs 11:44:46 hi there 12:34:01 ooom 12:44:47 hi denshi 12:46:38 morning davb 12:47:25 hmmm. my case statement is not returning anything when the test is false. 13:16:17 brb 13:16:19 davb has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.7 [Mozilla rv:1.0.0/20020530]") 13:32:55 donb (~chatzilla@ifwv.greenpeace.org) has joined #openacs 13:36:29 hey donb 13:36:29 donb has quit (Client Quit) 13:38:23 davb (~chatzilla@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-204.biz.rr.com) has joined #openacs 13:45:13 Wookiephylax (~nblyumbe@bosco.eng.cv.net) has joined #openacs 13:52:30 donb (~chatzilla@ifwv.greenpeace.org) has joined #openacs 13:56:09 k2pts (~nkd@adsl-172-39.cytanet.com.cy) has joined #openacs 13:57:11 hi donb and k2pts 13:57:15 hey davb 13:57:28 * davb thouroughly hates MS today 13:57:28 hey donb 13:57:40 heh, what happened? 13:58:34 I am trying to install an update for MS access (don't ask :), the only way is thriough windows update, except it is not an option when windows update scans. I magically got it to work on one computer, but I have no idea what secret incantation made it work. 13:59:29 don't ask me, I've left gates-world long time ago 13:59:39 k2pts: i am programming into search (my copy) support for "searchable_p". if the searchacle_p parameter is not included in the datasource, it assumes 'T' 13:59:54 yes 14:00:10 btw, for a boolean fields in acs-sc, should I check for all the popular values of tue? ie T t TRUE true 1 etc...? 14:00:15 you'll also need to modify some tables 14:00:43 for example, cr_revisions (or cr_items) to support a searchable_p field 14:01:11 that way you can provide this kind of information to the service contract implementation 14:01:23 anything tcl supports (re: boolean) 14:01:39 ah. ok. I was just so far programming the only search live_revisions part. 14:01:44 ok re boolean. 14:02:09 you can do the live_revisions part by having a searchable_p field 14:02:15 dob: congratulations on greenpeace.org. Tell everyone. it looks great! 14:02:28 k2pts: true. 14:02:39 s/dob/donb 14:03:05 congrats donb (is he around, I noticed you saying hi but ...) 14:03:10 Thanks ... I'm busy fixing a couple of problems due to a misunderstanding of when Oracle assigns "rownum" (before "order by", sigh) 14:03:12 hey donb 14:03:13 hey k2pts 14:03:17 hey talli 14:03:22 hi talli 14:03:27 hey davb 14:03:30