00:00:14 mbr: have you done SICP in any form? 00:04:06 what's SICP? 00:04:36 Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs... 00:04:39 it's the new thing on the streets 00:04:47 if no, would you want to? 00:04:52 kids are going to parties and recursing 00:05:00 hmmm 00:08:01 talli (~chatzilla@pool-162-83-238-204.ny5030.east.verizon.net) has joined #openacs 00:10:00 paje, again! 00:10:00 * paje spanks talli 00:10:42 * talli would like to thank all the users and bots in the #openacs channel for warm welcomes like that one 00:11:03 bad welcome? 00:11:11 s/welcome/weekend/ 00:11:37 markd2 (~Snak@h166-102-041-153.ip.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 00:12:17 gitdown! 00:12:17 gitfunky 00:12:18 no, just warm love 00:12:19 paje, gitdown! 00:12:19 gitfunky 00:12:52 gitdown! 00:12:52 gitfunky 00:13:00 * mbr steals paje's botsmack 00:13:09 * denshi suspects talli is running short on hot love 00:14:58 * denshi is a love camel 00:16:12 are love camels sage? 00:17:02 talli and bot love? 00:17:37 the correct answer to my question is, "only in the ways of humping" 00:18:38 love camels are capable of storing up love through long journeys through love deserts 00:19:00 * denshi is about a quarter-hump low 00:36:28 docwolf (~wolf@adsl-34-224-116.bct.bellsouth.net) has joined #openacs 00:45:19 i'm the cleaner. 01:01:13 hmmm 01:01:23 denshi, you still have your archos? 01:08:57 vinod (~vinod@66-108-0-75.nyc.rr.com) has joined #openacs 01:10:02 vinoodle 01:11:03 hey markd2 01:11:21 i need to install cygwin 01:11:57 markd2 has quit ("wheeeee") 01:12:05 why - linux is no good? :-) 01:13:36 hey everyone 01:13:36 everyone is shooting to take down the exchange+outlook combo by building a complete solutoin 01:13:42 :) its not quite there for graphics tools 01:13:50 dave, did you see my fishie? 01:13:56 nope 01:14:04 ahh 01:14:04 hey mbr 01:14:33 hey v 01:14:55 davb: you should get a mac :-) 01:15:06 vinod: yes, i should. 01:15:08 its on my list. 01:15:17 ROFL 01:15:22 or actually its not. I made a list using the todoo mode of emacs. 01:15:33 there's a todo mode? 01:15:39 mbr: nice fish! 01:15:53 thanks 01:16:07 yes. there is there is more than one actually. this one is called todoo 01:16:20 mbr that is pretty good. what kind is it? 01:16:26 weakfish 01:16:36 a bit of a misnomer however 01:16:38 where did you catch it? 01:16:50 they should call it "Strong fish with soft mouth" 01:17:07 Fire Island Inlet by "Sore Thumb" 01:17:19 I thought I caught someone's anchor 01:29:03 good night 01:29:08 davb has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.7 [Mozilla rv:1.0.0/20020530]") 01:34:51 vinod! 01:35:20 mbr, what's an archos? 01:36:16 denshi! 02:01:56 vinod: when do we meet to duel? 02:02:23 hmmm... i haven't bought my dueling sword yet 02:02:28 can i borrow yours? 02:02:36 oh... sure 02:02:44 ok, then anytime this week 02:03:14 how are the infirmed of NYC treating you? 02:03:32 pretty well so far, but that's cuz i don't start work until july 1st 02:03:51 the ones that i've met on the street have been very nice :-) 02:03:57 ah, that is a good treatment 06:30:26 vinod has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09:50:13 pascal__ (~pascal@facb-167-233.pc.fgg.eur.nl) has joined #openacs 09:50:19 hiya 09:50:26 pascal__ is now known as PascalS 09:54:52 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-82.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 09:55:04 hi 10:12:17 hmmm 10:12:30 hmm? 10:12:40 reading threads on the bboard, leads me to believe my first idea for restricting search was better. 10:13:15 that is, instead of modifying the cr triggers to only index live_revisions, we should make a mechanism for the packages to say, "don't index this item" 10:13:29 perhaps some sort of service-contract response. 10:13:34 hi PascalS :) 10:13:42 i didn't know anyone was listening. 10:13:49 * PascalS really needs to brush up on OACS4.5 10:14:20 You use the IRC as a personal log :) ? 10:14:28 sometimes. 10:14:36 also neophytos might read it. 10:14:54 ah 10:15:18 or someone else. when I have openacs ideas, i usually type them here to get an initial response before posting to the bboards. 10:16:21 do you have experience with tcl and sybase on windows? 10:16:28 or tcl and odbc on windows? 10:17:01 sorry, no. tcl seems to run well on windows, but I haven't really used it. 10:17:21 my windows experience is all Ms access. 10:17:38 Yeah, it works perfectly - you just need new drivers for _everything_ 10:18:10 ah. 10:18:22 it's painful. 10:18:47 There isn't a standard Tcl database interface :( 10:19:12 How about that version of the aolserver api in tcl? 10:19:39 you would need an aolserver driver. i think there is one for sybase. 10:19:57 Yes, but not on Win32, AFAICT. 10:20:10 ah. that is too bad. 10:20:43 Indeed - and there isn't anything remotely like the OpenACS database calls in standard Tcl. 10:21:08 weird. perl and python have db libraries. 10:21:32 There are Tcl database interfaces, just nothing standar. 10:21:38 d. 10:21:44 ah 10:22:02 Which is a pain for a project that _HAS_ to run on linux and win32. 10:22:19 hmm. i wonder if the aolserver one could be made the standard, someone would have to port to win32. 10:22:43 I much prefer to port the OpenACS database API to Tcl. 10:23:13 It'd need some extra connect/disconnect calls, but it's almost perfect for every job I have. 10:23:51 ohright. so use the ns_tcl or whatever its called, and build the openacs api on top. 10:24:00 it would supass ever other db api I have seen. 10:25:06 Oh, I don't know if that needs to be done. The aolserver database drivers are pretty straightforward, shouldn't be too much work to convert to plain Tcl. 10:25:44 could be. 11:53:24 morning 11:53:27 paje, seen davb 11:53:27 davb was last seen on #openacs 1 hours, 27 minutes and 42 seconds ago, saying: could be. [Mon Jun 24 05:25:35 2002] 11:53:32 paje, seen rbm 11:53:32 rbm was last seen on #openacs 1 days, 10 hours, 57 minutes and 19 seconds ago, saying: reboots into win2k to play some DS [Sat Jun 22 19:56:03 2002] 12:09:57 hi mbr 12:24:34 ok, i have another idea. 12:24:57 CMS hooks together most of the parts of the system, but its a huge pile of code and noone needs the whole thing. 12:25:20 so lets break it up into reusable parts, based on service contracts, so I can put together the pieces I need. 12:27:37 mbr has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:49:50 hmm? 12:50:01 It pays to work for an ISP 12:50:04 how many of you are there? 12:50:10 I just lost connectivity to my house 12:50:19 well not 'just' but whenever mbr left 12:50:23 ah. 12:50:38 So I called up the server complex right to the 'bridge' and asked them what the deal is 12:50:59 power outage and the DHCP server is getting hammered with DHCP requests 12:51:13 ah 12:51:23 this is much much easier than going through the "Hello, can you please reboot your modem" process 12:51:35 that is true. 12:51:47 i tell them, i already did that before i called you. 12:52:10 "i'm sorry, do it again. we have no clue we are just reading this off a script" "independent thought is not allowed" 12:52:27 yeah 12:53:27 I need a power supply :( 12:54:41 sorry, i don't have a spare 12:55:11 woo 12:55:14 it's back up 12:55:44 but without an IP 12:58:53 mbr (proxy@ool-18baa8de.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #openacs 12:59:06 mbr is now known as Beatnik 13:01:27 hmmm. the tricky part is figuring out which pieces of CMS we want. 13:04:44 Dave, have you figured out your smartmedia dilemma? 13:04:50 nope. 13:05:04 i tried it in another reader, same problem. the camera can read it, but nothing else. 13:05:22 another reader being a ___? 13:05:35 ah. it was a fuji one. 13:05:36 cro (~cro@defiant.nca.asu.edu) has joined #openacs 13:05:44 i am not sure of the model # 13:06:00 Was it a regular USB reader or another FlashPath adapter? 13:06:00 but it did the same thing. showed all the files, but says the files are unreadable. 13:06:03 USB 13:06:07 weird 13:06:21 oh 13:06:26 unless the camera is saving them in some weird format. the extension is still jpg though 13:06:27 you know what the problem might be 13:06:36 no :) 13:06:37 the CIS on the card might be wrong 13:06:45 whats a CIS? 13:06:53 hang on 13:11:03 too scary. 13:11:08 i am trying to find the receipt :) 13:16:05 for what 13:17:14 the memory 13:18:20 how much did you pay 13:18:30 $25? 13:18:40 more probably, i don't recall. 13:18:41 Is that with S&H or without? 13:18:50 bought it at the store. 13:19:27 A 64mb SmartMedia card (retail) is 23$+4$ S&H 13:19:30 at newegg.com 13:19:42 A 32mb smartmedia is 12$ 13:22:52 How much do 32mb cards cost at the store? 13:23:12 not sure, i'll check. i'll either get a refund or trade in for 2 32s 13:23:51 ah 13:24:05 yeah that's what I was proposing if they don't let you exchange it 13:24:38 I'll give you enough for 2x32 since I don't have a problem with 64mb ones 13:24:45 btw, the CIS hacks work great 13:24:58 all my cards are "Olympus" now 13:25:07 you have the olympus reader? 13:26:07 no 13:26:15 I have a Zio! but the concept is the same 13:26:38 ah. 13:26:40 i see. 13:26:49 you hack an smprep.exe to corrupt the CIS, then you have a 2nd SMPREP.exe that has an olympus CIS to "repair" it 13:27:27 After you fix the CIS with Olympus CIS it works just like an Olympus card in the camera (with Panorama enabled) 13:27:32 smprep.exe will work on your reader? i thought it was specific to the chips used in the reader. 13:29:16 k2pts (~nkd@213.149.166.167) has joined #openacs 13:29:26 paje: seen davb? 13:29:26 davb was last seen on #openacs 1 minutes and 54 seconds ago, saying: smprep.exe will work on your reader? i thought it was specific to the chips used in the reader. [Mon Jun 24 08:27:22 2002] 13:29:47 hi k2pts :) 13:30:00 hey davb 13:30:10 i've read your email, that's why I'm here 13:30:16 thanks 13:30:43 there are two ways to proceed: 13:31:26 a. you either modify the trigger to index only the items you want, i.e. update the search_observer_queue accordingly 13:31:40 Dave, smprep is chip specific but my Zio! uses the same chip 13:31:56 Beatnik: aha. i'll have to check mine. 13:32:32 oacs-chump has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:32:36 or b. (preferable) have a searchable_p flag in the service contract -- I have proposed that already (i'm not sure if it was here or in the forums) 13:33:37 I was going to implement such a functionality earlier this year when I worked a bit on the search package but due to lack of time, and due to the release of tsearch I drop it 13:33:39 ok. 13:34:33 wow, something was killing my web server. now it stopped. 13:35:06 oacs-chump (~oacs-chum@alb-24-58-160-28.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 13:37:10 wow. my first breaking-and-entering case 13:37:42 breaker or breakee? 13:37:56 k2pts: i think #2 is better. let the package decide what is or is not indexable. 13:38:03 hmm? 13:38:08 Denshi, you awake? 13:38:11 I'm not sure of the conjugations. but it's my place 13:38:16 i did rewrite the CR triggers, but not everyone actually sets live_revision I think 13:38:37 You mean someone broke into your house? 13:38:52 right as I was coming back from breakfast 13:38:59 but they got away 13:39:04 Did you catch the guy in action? 13:39:06 I'm on the phone with the cops right now 13:39:09 beat him with a big oracle book? 13:39:31 davb: agree (re: #2) 13:39:54 ok good. I'll take a look at the code. i will defer holding etp 2.0 for the fixing of the search package. 13:40:14 Denshi, he didn't take the archos mp3 player did he? 13:40:28 Beatnik: that was docwolf silly 13:41:06 k2pts: have you ever looked at CMS? 13:41:27 yeap 13:41:32 oh 13:41:39 I have a bad memory 13:41:42 paje, seen docwolf 13:41:42 docwolf was last seen on #openacs 12 hours, 56 minutes and 21 seconds ago, saying: i'm the cleaner. [Sun Jun 23 19:45:11 2002] 13:41:49 hmmm 13:42:07 I had to "rewrite" it to conform with the 4.3 version of workflow when I made openacs workflow 4.3 aware 13:42:08 I wonder if paje's testimony is good enough to convict Docwolf of being a professional assassin 13:42:11 I was thinking there are some good ideas in there. But its too big. I wanted to break out parts of it into seperate service packages that can be combined to make a CMS. 13:43:07 I have also offered some ideas in that respect... two packages... I don't remember if it was a private conversation with talli or here in the channel let me search the chatlogs... bbiam 13:45:38 http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cache:2Hp1T-e1eisC:blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/2002-03-01.txt+openacs+chatlogs+k2pts+etp+content-section&hl=el&ie=UTF-8 13:45:39 A: http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cache:2Hp1T-e1eisC:blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/2002-03-01.txt+openacs+chatlogs+k2pts+etp+content-section&hl=el&ie=UTF-8 from k2pts 13:46:06 18:25:53 an instance of etp is a content section but you still need a separate package to manage those content sections 13:47:11 oh that was also something I was thinking about. 13:47:23 abbaJ has quit (Remote closed the connection) 13:48:09 check the link I've submitted... (around 18:25 is the chat w.r.t the cms, etp) 13:49:12 i see, yes now i remember. 13:49:34 beatnik: what is this archos mp3 player you keep harping on? 13:50:05 It's an mp3 player but instead of using removable media it uses a laptop hard drive 13:50:10 6gigs, 10gigs, 20gigs 13:50:19 Fits a lot more songs 13:50:41 so you're suggesting I'm under attack by mp3 'pirates'? 13:51:28 you? 13:51:42 I'm so confused 13:52:04 denshi: Beatnik can't distinguish between IRCers whose nick starts with 'd' 13:52:27 davb: that sounds like a crippling hadicap 13:52:34 D'oh? 13:52:35 s/hadi/handi/ 13:54:25 davb: do you know what software was used for paje? 13:55:08 infobot 13:55:12 paje infobot? 13:55:12 hmmm... infobot is at http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~infobot 13:55:44 thx davb, paje 13:55:44 k2pts: excuse me? 13:56:08 paje, what is your opinion of asian women? 13:56:08 i heard my opinion of asian women was that they are hot and I want an asian bot friend for myself 13:56:26 paje, what is your opinion of markd? 13:56:26 i haven't a clue, beatnik 13:56:34 paje, you're useless 13:56:34 Beatnik: sorry... 14:04:25 k2pts has left #openacs 14:18:04 damn, missed neophytos 14:23:21 hi talli 14:25:36 hey davb 14:25:42 that momentum logo looks awesome! 14:25:53 really? wow, you have low standards :) 14:26:02 :) 14:26:07 or you're too humble! 14:26:21 I will fiddle with it tonight and maybe try a couple more fonts, and clean it up a little. 14:26:47 I am always afraid I subconsciously copied something from somewhere else. 14:27:06 lemme send you a jpeg i foudn that has a nice look, a little more cartoonish and irreverent 14:27:10 it's just a different look 14:27:52 ok. 14:27:57 thats cool. 14:32:41 markd2 (~Snak@h166-102-041-114.ip.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 14:33:57 davb: just sent it 14:34:41 just do it 14:35:21 bbiab 14:35:23 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 14:38:21 * denshi loves cops 14:38:33 * talli loves indians 14:38:36 they're so damn helpful 14:38:39 markd2 loves cowboys 14:38:52 rbm loves construction workers 14:39:13 who's the last Village Person? 14:39:22 navy 14:39:30 ah, right 14:41:32 i have a fun one, talli 14:41:36 talli has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:42:23 or not 14:42:37 maybe he's off to join the navy 14:47:50 maybe we can teach paje to sing "in the navy" 14:49:13 well, the cop only found a couple of prints 14:49:38 but he demonstrated a number of creative ways to get into my place 14:51:17 whoa. you got broken into? 14:51:32 talli (~chatzilla@pool-162-83-238-204.ny5030.east.verizon.net) has joined #openacs 14:53:10 yes 14:53:23 between leaving for breakfast and getting back from the bank 14:53:27 that's about 50 minutes 14:53:40 which means they were watching the place for me & the roomie to leave 14:54:38 spooky 14:54:49 maybe they really wanted your ns_scheme implementation 14:55:19 ah what a kidder 14:55:32 I'm being borked to death over here 14:56:26 bork to the head! 14:56:44 markd2: the previous tenant claims to have left a bunch of jewels (read: drug stash) in our house, in a plastic trash can. being fools, david just threw out the trash when we moved in 14:57:16 fun! 15:00:11 someone stole ns_scheme!!!!???? 15:00:20 this is HORRIBLE! 15:00:42 did someone alert homeland security? 15:00:44 it only took him 3 hours 15:01:25 it only took 3 hours to steal ns_scheme??? 15:01:31 homeland security!! defending the GPL!! 15:01:36 they must be evil geniuses! 15:01:58 no, they just have really slow connections 15:02:02 how did they get through the dogs? 15:02:19 the dogs were in the shop 15:02:34 how were they able to negotiate the fox holes and sniper nests? 15:02:42 I'm getting them upgraded to "dogs with bees in their mouths and when they bark they shoot bees at you" 15:02:57 talli: this isn't brooklyn 15:03:02 keep your sniper nests 15:09:36 davb (~chatzilla@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-204.biz.rr.com) has joined #openacs 15:12:15 speaking of snipers.... 15:12:33 hi denshi 15:12:40 * denshi ducks 15:13:03 ooom 15:13:05 updateing winxp must reboot, resume talking about me 15:13:09 davb has quit (Client Quit) 15:13:57 brb 15:13:59 lol 15:14:00 hey 15:14:02 rbm :) 15:16:12 talli has quit (Remote closed the connection) 15:17:17 Anyone with superior Linux skills here? 15:18:24 superior how? 15:19:43 well 15:19:50 Superior as in helping me get a usb smartmedia reader working 15:19:56 can't help you there 15:19:58 It should just mount as a hard drive 15:20:20 never done usb before... but the key things are 15:20:45 talli (~chatzilla@pool-162-83-238-204.ny5030.east.verizon.net) has joined #openacs 15:21:09 - make sure your kernel does USB, and check for the appropriate device driver 15:21:35 - watch your logs when you connect/disconnect to see what it tries/fails/succeeds to do 15:22:19 PascalS has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:22:26 well 15:22:31 I don't know if my kernel supports usb 15:22:45 but I just ran dmesg and get this 15:22:59 2.2.x kernels had very rudamentary usb support... 2.4 has been getting much better 15:23:06 hub.c: USB new device connect on bus2/2, assigned device number 2 15:23:20 yep, your kernel has usb support 15:23:33 and it looks like a 2.4 15:23:36 usb.c: USB device 2 (vend/prod 0x4e6/0x3) is not claimed by any active driver 15:24:41 maybe recompiling is in your future... is this a debian? 15:24:49 no it's Gentoo 15:25:02 There's another thing I've been meaning to learn 15:25:15 how to compile a Linux kernel...I can do BSD pretty well, just not Linux :) 15:25:21 hmm... dunno about gentoo, but it might have the kernel config file around somewhere 15:25:26 Wookiephylax: does your box recognize the USB interfaces upon booting? 15:25:36 it might 15:25:39 talli: looks that way 15:25:40 how do I know? 15:25:45 also, gentoo has good docs for kernel compile 15:26:02 Wookiephylax: it saw the hub, for one thing 15:26:08 yeah I haven't had to do any of that stuff yet 15:26:24 This is one of my work machines running Gentoo 15:26:42 The one at home blew a Power Supply fan so I need a new P/S before I can really get into Gentoo 15:26:43 I'll need coffee... bbs 15:27:50 brb 15:30:11 Wookiephylax: Do you have the kernel sources in your hard drive? 15:31:15 I'm not sure 15:31:44 yes 15:31:57 I have stuff in /usr/src/linux-2.4.19-r1 15:32:12 Wookiephylax: 15:32:27 to compile the kernel, you need to go to /usr/src/linux 15:32:32 then do make clean 15:32:36 make menuconfig 15:33:10 if you got the install docs there is a aprt about compiling a kernel that is prett complete 15:33:21 ok 15:33:31 can't read it now though..must do work :) 15:33:37 work = money 15:33:49 no work = no job = no money = very bad 15:34:01 me tarzan, you jane 15:39:36 damn 15:39:36 so confused 15:39:36 too much network wire 15:42:01 Anyone awake? 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