00:03:20 * denshi reads badgerblog 00:03:35 perhaps Hello Kitty should team up with Domo-kun 00:07:41 domo-kun has mouth to spare 00:12:24 indeed 00:49:05 paje: seen mbr 00:49:05 mbr was last seen on #openacs 22 hours, 31 minutes and 7 seconds ago, saying: heads to bed [Thu Jun 20 21:17:56 2002] 00:49:11 paje: seen Wookiephylax 00:49:11 Wookiephylax was last seen on #openacs 7 days, 8 hours, 48 minutes and 11 seconds ago, saying: Do they have some sort of a graphical tool for this? [Fri Jun 14 11:00:57 2002] 00:54:33 i think BadgerTronics is in for a challenge 00:54:35 http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/a/2002/06/21/BA55331.DTL 00:54:35 A: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/a/2002/06/21/BA55331.DTL from talli 00:54:48 A: Voracious goats heroes in the hills 00:54:48 added comment A1 00:54:50 Herd clears tinder from Hetchy pipeline path 00:55:57 that sounds like a real challenge 00:56:03 http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object.cgi?object=/chronicle/pictures/2002/06/21/ba_goats1.jpg&paper=chronicle&file=BA55331.DTL&directory=/chronicle/a/2002/06/21&type=news 00:56:03 B: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object.cgi?object=/chronicle/pictures/2002/06/21/ba_goats1.jpg&paper=chronicle&file=BA55331.DTL&directory=/chronicle/a/2002/06/21&type=news from talli 00:56:16 B: BadgerTronic's nemesis 00:56:16 added comment B1 00:56:17 http://www.evula.com/rants/misc/rico1.html 00:56:17 C: http://www.evula.com/rants/misc/rico1.html from markd2 00:56:25 Talli's evil influence spreads 00:57:13 the man speaks The Word 00:57:48 B: notice the fellow in the upper left corner 00:57:48 added comment B2 00:58:54 who is that rico character? 01:02:00 that's a good dog-cat diary 01:02:14 i heard another explanation for the difference between cats and dogs 01:02:33 a dog says, "The human is feeding me. He must be God" 01:02:43 a cat says, "The human is feeding me. I must be God." 01:02:50 * denshi feeds talli 01:03:05 * talli must be God 01:07:16 therefore, denshi must be talli 01:07:22 * markd2 senses a conspiracy 01:07:45 uhm, markd2, shouldn't you be making sure that your badgers aren't being beaten by goats? 01:07:53 do you really have so much time to be playing on IRC? 01:08:00 my badgers can fend for themselves 01:08:05 I trust them to do What Is Righteous 01:08:07 i mean, how will BadgerTronics shareholders respond? 01:08:13 nevermind my alter-ego, he doesn't understand the badger-goat relationship 01:08:19 with Righteous wRaTh 01:09:08 denshi: do you think that Larry Wall is smaht? 01:09:19 as in, wicked smaht 01:10:06 i dunno. I'm not from Boston 01:11:08 seriously. is he a major intellect in the code world? 01:11:27 i understand he's a complete freak 01:11:34 depends on how you define the code world 01:11:58 and since i grew up in Los Altos, which is next to Mountain View, and I'm familiar with some of the people in his congregation, i know he's a banana 01:12:14 in terms of language research, no, he's not clearing any new ground 01:12:35 the stuff he's done has mostly been social hacks 01:12:42 that's not entirely true 01:12:55 he does neat things in inference 01:13:49 but to take Perl as an example, Perl isn't amazing technologically; but rather the complete package really raised the bar in terms of production languages 01:14:05 ah, ok 01:14:11 so he's an outstanding engineer 01:14:40 the complete package being a high-quality OSS implementation, huge libraries, active community, huge docs, etc, etc, etc 01:14:58 what brings this up? 01:15:21 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-82.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 01:15:40 paje, gnaw on davb! 01:15:40 denshi: huh? 01:15:45 hi denshi 01:15:47 knaw? 01:16:32 hey davb 01:16:36 denshi: just wondering 01:16:47 hi talli 01:16:49 i played with CPAN last night for the first time. it was very impressive 01:17:01 ah. wondering to do the same with APMs? 01:18:18 hey! 01:18:27 markd2 has quit ("bork") 01:18:28 arjun is working on something similar to my idae 01:18:30 idea 01:18:37 oh, I got something called table 01:18:58 that is pretty cool. 01:19:04 it's a cool little single-page thing that probably shouldn't be left on a site :) 01:19:27 denshi: yeah, i was thinking that apm's really should have dependency checking in them 01:19:34 by default it shows you acs_objects 01:19:44 talli: I thought they already did? 01:19:56 actually, yes, they do 01:20:10 but they should download and install those dependencies if they do not exist 01:20:34 hey. cool forums are ported. 01:20:45 i'll have to try it. 01:20:52 to pg? 01:20:56 except we will need the devel branch 01:20:59 jim: yes 01:27:30 there is some good info in the attachments package proposal. 01:27:55 it is a service, a singlton that is mounted at many URLs. 01:28:08 that is a neat concept that I never thought of. 01:36:04 cool: there is a debian package for celestia. 01:36:22 i am not sure its the same thing. it wants to install alot of stuf 01:40:36 davb: the celestia deb is the same thing 01:40:44 cool! 01:40:51 i installed it from source first :-) and then saw the package 01:45:13 hmm 01:45:19 this is pretty cool 01:45:25 ok back to work. 01:46:16 whatcha working on? 01:46:25 hmm. mostly etp 2.0 01:46:36 but I am thinking about a super related-items package 01:47:03 cool. i saw you talking about that earlier 01:47:19 it's still above my head. i need to read about service contracts some more 01:47:22 right now, various packages use mapping tables to relate certain types of objects to other certain types. 01:47:44 i have no idae how the service contract will work :) just that it will allow packages to talk to each other :) 01:48:08 ahhh - gotcha 01:48:18 if anyone sees k2pts grab him. I want to ask him about the search package. 01:48:23 :) 01:54:28 hmmm. 02:18:38 cool. 02:18:38 talli has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02:19:28 talli (~chatzilla@pool-162-83-235-174.ny5030.east.verizon.net) has joined #openacs 02:28:43 I am curious why people who put up a web site that they did not want people to link to. 02:29:00 that kinda defeats the whole "web" idea. 02:36:31 talli has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.7 [Mozilla rv:1.0.0/20020616]") 02:37:13 talli (~chatzilla@pool-162-83-235-174.ny5030.east.verizon.net) has joined #openacs 02:37:50 good night 02:38:25 davb is now known as davb-sleep 02:38:28 davb-sleep is now known as davb 03:32:01 talli has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.7 [Mozilla rv:1.0.0/20020616]") 03:34:10 talli (~chatzilla@162.83.235.174) has joined #openacs 04:03:22 vinod_ (~vinod@66-108-0-75.nyc.rr.com) has joined #openacs 04:19:45 vinod has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:36:13 vinod_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:20:57 jim has quit (Remote closed the connection) 11:00:35 vinod_ (~vinod@66-108-0-75.nyc.rr.com) has joined #openacs 11:34:20 wow! 11:34:21 good stuff 11:34:23 http://www.treedragon.com/ged/map/ti/newJun02.htm#21jun02-food-chain 11:34:24 D: http://www.treedragon.com/ged/map/ti/newJun02.htm#21jun02-food-chain from davb 11:35:04 D:|Food Chain 11:35:04 titled item D 11:35:21 D: McCusker respond to Levien on software food chains 11:35:21 added comment D1 11:36:00 very good stuff! 11:36:11 and long. I must return to read it 11:46:38 D: [http://www.advogato.org/person/raph/diary.html?start=219|the original] 11:46:38 added comment D2 11:49:39 D: don't miss the interesting langauge stuff at the end of the second link 11:49:40 added comment D3 12:11:30 talli: i emailed luke about the related items stuff. 12:11:53 i will try to write it up nicely for the bboards soon. 12:28:44 talli has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13:11:19 talli (~chatzilla@pool-162-83-238-204.ny5030.east.verizon.net) has joined #openacs 13:57:53 hey guys 14:05:53 markd2 (~markd2@h166-102-041-011.ip.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 14:29:18 moo 14:29:44 badgers moo? 14:29:53 that can't be right 14:30:18 depends on the accent 14:30:40 are you a quebecois badger? 14:30:57 more of the european variety 14:31:01 those are the most sophisticated i hear 14:31:03 I guess I should have said "möö" 14:32:15 móò 14:32:19 mòó 14:32:45 that's a good one 14:57:37 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. I have a website up at http://lilo.sargasso.net/ explaining my current situation. I'm asking for help on a personal basis to keep working as OPN head of staff and to finish setting up the nonprofit corp. Please take a look, and thanks. 14:57:39 talli has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:57:52 moo 15:10:56 hi 15:20:02 moo, davb 15:20:42 talli: this is kinda interesting, vCal related: http://www.theshiftedlibrarian.com/2002/06/21.html#a2473 15:21:31 and this: http://dijest.com/aka/2002/06/17.html#a1402 15:21:58 denshi: i found this interesting, at least partially langauge related 15:22:02 D: 15:22:02 http://www.treedragon.com/ged/map/ti/newJun02.htm#21jun02-food-chain 15:22:03 Food Chain 15:22:04 (1:davb) McCusker respond to Levien on software food chains 15:22:05 (2:davb) [http://www.advogato.org/person/raph/diary.html?start=219|the original] 15:22:06 (3:davb) don't miss the interesting langauge stuff at the end of the second link 15:26:00 ooom 15:28:38 hiya rbm 15:28:52 wazzuuuuuup! 15:29:08 :) 15:51:25 * davb rewrites the triggers in search 15:54:08 * rbm works on the paypal service contract 15:54:17 * markd2 goofs off 15:56:17 hmmm. how ot test the triggers? 15:57:41 do something that will fire them 15:57:46 yeah :) 15:57:59 i did, and I got an error, so I know the trigger is firing :) 15:58:12 * rbm needs some music, but since his computer is now is his bedroom and his wife is asleep, he can't listen to any :( 15:58:17 and I was feeling like some Mozart 15:58:24 s/was/am/ 15:58:25 am i allowed to do this? 15:58:30 declare v_live_revision cr_items.live_revision%TYPE; 15:58:42 on your trigger? 15:58:49 well in a pl/pgsql function. 15:58:52 yeah 15:59:00 ok... 15:59:30 PG 7.2 lets you do that in the function header too. 15:59:42 that is cool. 15:59:49 i knew somewhere i was not allowed. 16:00:04 do i need an AS? 16:00:25 no i don't... 16:00:25 Where? 16:01:42 in the declare statement. 16:01:50 I got spam from romania from someone looking for a job 16:02:05 wow, mine are usually all from the US. 16:02:34 my code looks like this: 16:02:35 declare v_live_revision cr_items.live_revision%TYPE; 16:02:43 and the error message like this: 16:02:54 NOTICE: plpgsql: ERROR during compile of content_search__utrg near line 1 16:02:54 Label NOTICE not found. 16:02:54 ERROR: parse error at or near "v_live_revisioncr_items.live_revision%TYPE" 16:02:55 Label ERROR not found. 16:04:19 hmmm 16:04:21 hang on 16:05:19 Romania: we a happy country. We got the bomb, muthaf&*$#! We put the 'mania' back in 'Romania' 16:07:22 davb: maybe you need a new line after declare? 16:07:26 rbm: did you spam look like any of the above? 16:07:31 ah 16:07:50 davb: I've used the "foo table.column%TYPE;" construct many times. It's used in the acs-kernel a lot 16:07:55 right. 16:08:17 denshi: no. It's saying that he's a display engineer with lots of experience looking for a job 16:08:32 see if he can put the 'mania' back in anything 16:10:22 there is a shortage of mania in austin? 16:10:32 yes 16:13:19 jobs, too 16:13:54 jobs too? 16:14:04 jobs == mania 16:14:15 thus there is a job shortage 16:14:20 texas slang? 16:15:00 I don't believe so 16:15:45 FYI, bug-tracker is nice. 16:18:59 yes. it is very cool. 16:20:01 heh, now the error is on line 2 instead of line one. 16:23:16 Holy crap... Turkey is in the semifinals and will face Brazil, again 16:23:35 And Korea defeated Spain. WOW! 16:23:58 I watched about 20 mins of the Korea vs Spain game last night. Korea deserved to win IMHO 16:25:05 So on the semifinals we'll have Brazil vs Turkey and Germany vs Korea. 1 nation from the Americas, 2 from Europe and 1 from Asia. 16:34:36 can i do foo := SELECT bar from blargh in pl/pgsql? 16:36:15 ah. 16:36:17 no errors. 16:36:27 davb: AFAIK no you can't. 16:36:47 You'd have to do SELECT INTO foo bar FROM blargh; 16:39:25 ok. 16:42:11 markd2 has quit ("Bork") 16:48:03 talli (~chatzilla@pool-162-83-238-204.ny5030.east.verizon.net) has joined #openacs 16:55:37 vinod_ has quit ("changing universes") 16:59:25 [GlobalNotice] Hi everybody. I've started sending two messages a day for fund raising, asking people to help so I can keep at this. I'm skipping the second message today and replacing it with something that I hope will be helpful. 17:00:07 [GlobalNotice] If you have an opinion on the network, and my role in it, now is definitely the time to participate. 17:00:58 [GlobalNotice] If you want the opportunity to tell me directly what you think about me, please come to #question. I can't listen to everybody on channel or on message, but I definitely need to hear from you. 17:01:19 [GlobalNotice] So I'll tell you how you can talk to me about it, and I hope it won't be too hard or take too much time. 17:01:51 [GlobalNotice] If you use the network, this is *definitely* a time to make your presence known. It will mean a lot. Please come to #question. Thanks. 17:02:34 hmmm. 17:03:31 [GlobalNotice] Again, I hate to stress this, but I am *really* going to need your opinion, good, bad or indifferent. Please come to #question. Thanks. 17:04:45 hey davb 17:06:14 hi talli 17:09:23 [GlobalNotice] Okay, one last time, and then I'll get started. When people express the opinion that "everybody says that x", the only way I will know if it's true is if *you* are part of the everybody who makes your voice heard. Please come to #question. Thanks. 17:13:06 talli: bug-tracker is really nice 17:17:47 cool. my trigger does NOT insert revisions if they are not live. 17:17:58 now to see if it does insert them when they are :) 17:25:18 do i use if new.live_revision IS NOT NULL to check the not nulless? 17:28:50 yeah. 17:28:59 yeah 17:31:55 cool thanks 17:38:19 * rbm sends $10 to lilo 17:40:52 rbm: thanks 17:41:12 of you have any bugs or suggestions, there's a bugtracker for bugtracker at clients.museatech.net 17:41:28 it should move to the oacs site ASAP, though, but that can't be for a while, i guess 17:41:55 what's the IP for the new openacs instance you set up on openacs.org? 17:42:03 paje: openacs.org-dev? 17:42:03 i heard openacs.org-dev was 208.184.248.90 17:42:06 * talli remembers to announce linuxworld 17:42:11 thanks 17:42:19 talli: Reserve a seat for me at that booth! 17:42:30 good 17:42:37 you'll have to help staff it :) 17:42:54 * rbm goes to eat lunch 17:43:14 when is linuxworld? 17:43:26 rbm: before you go... 17:43:31 can i get admin privs on the new site? 17:43:46 denshi: linuxworld is Aug 13-15 in SF 17:43:51 talli: i can 17:43:57 do it 17:43:57 davb: thanks 17:44:48 talli: sure, let me do that 17:45:36 too late :) 17:45:41 i added don also. 17:46:06 talli: looks like you... yeah, what davb said :) 17:46:15 ok, i am almost done editing the search so that i will only grab live revisions. I wish I could remember what neophtytos said about that... 17:46:34 are we goign to use the new forums in the dev brancj? 17:46:36 branch 17:46:57 btw, bugtracker works great on the stable code. 17:47:08 talli: Ben said they're working on the PG port 17:47:16 I haven't checked if it's usable on PG yes 17:47:24 s/yes/yet/ 17:59:19 i thought that Yon posted that forums have been ported and are in CVS? 17:59:30 lars does great work 18:00:59 Luke says my related item idea is already implemented as part of the CR. 18:01:02 i'm looking forward to Linux World 18:01:07 davb: very cool! 18:01:16 so it just needs a UI? 18:01:20 yes. 18:01:24 the cr has all kinds of neat stuff. 18:01:34 but really crappy docs. it never says how to _use_ it. 18:01:41 yeah 18:01:51 it helps to have someone like Luke who knows what's in there 18:02:13 well yeah, but its trapped in his brain. 18:02:17 :) 18:02:34 that's true 18:02:47 did he say how hard it would be to implement the UI or the functioanlity? 18:03:03 no, just it shouldn't be too hard. 18:03:18 s/just/but 18:03:34 did you guys mount a bugtracker on openacs.org-dev yet? 18:04:13 yes 18:04:39 http://208.184.248.90/bugtracker/openacs.org/ 18:04:39 E: http://208.184.248.90/bugtracker/openacs.org/ from davb 18:06:01 ah, ok 18:06:09 it doesn't show up on the home page 18:06:18 i know, its in a folder. 18:06:54 you should give it a name 18:07:21 right, i'll have to rename the package instance 18:09:53 darn, i can't run psql on the server. 18:10:06 someone wrote an interface for that. 18:16:34 ok i patched and I will commit the changes 18:20:33 weird. 18:20:39 this patch is to CMS 18:20:43 who uses that? 18:20:57 actually the patch is going to the wrong place. 18:21:28 nm i am dumb 18:26:04 uhoh 18:26:06 cvs server: failed to create lock directory for `/cvsroot/openacs-4-5.org/packages/bug-tracker' (/cvsroot/openacs-4-5.org/packages/bug-tracker/#cvs.lock): Permission denied 18:26:06 cvs server: failed to obtain dir lock in repository `/cvsroot/openacs-4-5.org/packages/bug-tracker' 18:26:06 cvs [server aborted]: read lock failed - giving up 18:27:05 yep. 18:41:39 denshi has quit (Remote closed the connection) 18:44:20 talli: i will fix the bugtracker name later. 18:45:27 ah, never mind. 18:45:42 i _can_ rename it from the bugtracker interface. duh 18:49:08 markd2 (~markd2@h166-102-041-051.ip.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 18:50:18 hmmm, can i have a nested if in pl/pgsql? 18:51:37 an if inside of another if? 18:51:52 (well, if inside of the block controlled by an if) 18:52:05 yes. 18:52:28 like this: 18:52:30 if old.live_revision <> new.live_revision then 18:52:30 if new.live_revision is Not Null then 18:53:14 yeah, I'd imagine that would work 18:53:30 the elses might be ambiguous if the blocks don't have begin/end around 18:56:20 davb: my issue is that the application isn't named on the site map 18:56:40 is that why it's not available on the home page? 18:59:02 is it on the site map :) 18:59:16 click the little plus next to the bugtracker 19:01:49 denshi (~chatzilla@cs6625161-163.austin.rr.com) has joined #openacs 19:02:09 bork! 19:02:22 mmmmmbork! 19:02:54 the code that grabs the installed packages for the default home page must not look in the folders. 19:23:28 davb: oops 19:27:51 davb: try now 19:27:54 paje: seen davb 19:27:54 davb was last seen on #openacs 25 minutes and 0 seconds ago, saying: the code that grabs the installed packages for the default home page must not look in the folders. [Sat Jun 22 14:02:49 2002] 19:31:05 paje: seen the light? 19:31:05 I haven't seen 'the', denshi 19:34:00 ok 19:34:58 hhm, still have read lock problem for bugtracker. 19:36:03 you do? for cvs? 19:36:07 yes. 19:36:10 maybe its me :) 19:36:21 failed to create lock directory for `/cvsroot/openacs-4-5.org/packages/bug-tracker' (/cvsroot/openacs-4-5.org/packages/bug-tracker/#cvs.lock): Permission denied 19:36:25 are you on the cvs group? 19:36:31 OH! Crap, hang on. 19:37:34 one more try 19:37:52 nevermind 19:38:20 Now you can try. 19:38:31 I think I covered everything now 19:38:52 much better. 19:39:43 I still need more karma to commit. 19:40:40 davb++ 19:40:41 davb++ 19:40:42 davb++ 19:40:43 karma davb? 19:40:43 davb has karma of 4 19:40:46 does that help? 19:41:58 davb: Hmmm, I gave you full privs for that repository 19:42:38 davb: GO ahead. I had made a typo on the avail file 19:43:27 davb: sorry about this. 19:43:38 yeah! 19:43:42 no problem. 19:43:45 paje: you should take only one karma per user 19:43:45 rbm: huh? 19:44:14 rbm: do you know about nested ifs in pl/pgsql? 19:48:27 what about it 19:48:36 Just END IF properly 19:48:38 should it work? 19:48:43 yeah, no problem 19:49:11 i have if then if then else end if end if 19:49:36 just paste the block here 19:49:57 ok. 19:50:04 begin 19:50:04 if old.live_revision <> new.live_revision then 19:50:04 if new.live_revision is Not Null then 19:50:04 insert into search_observer_queue ( 19:50:04 object_id, 19:50:05 event 19:50:07 ) values ( 19:50:09 new.live_revision, 19:50:11 ''UPDATE'' 19:50:13 ); 19:50:15 else 19:50:19 perform search_observer__enqueue(old.revision_id,''DELETE''); 19:50:21