IRC log of openacs on 2002-06-21

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00:00:16 [rbm]
Want the stable?
00:00:17 [davb]
is bugtracker only in the development branch?
00:00:23 [rbm]
* rbm checks
00:00:54 [davb]
anyway this is just to keep track of our work on the other openacs 4 we will set up for the actual site right?
00:01:22 [rbm]
yes
00:01:31 [rbm]
I hope that whatever we setup will become openacs.org
00:01:38 [davb]
oh ok.
00:01:51 [rbm]
isn't that what you had in mind too?
00:02:15 [davb]
i thought it might be better to have the bugtracker in a seperate installation.
00:02:22 [davb]
but if it works like that its no problem.
00:02:29 [rbm]
Looks like bugtracker is just on the devel branch
00:02:33 [davb]
ok.
00:02:51 [rbm]
So two instances of OACS 4? One stable and one devel?
00:02:54 [davb]
i need a way to merge the code musea worked on with the new code.
00:03:35 [rbm]
Did musea change anything on th core?
00:03:45 [davb]
rbm: no, but their copy is really old.
00:03:57 [rbm]
Where's that URL you pasted the other day, about CVS?
00:04:00 [rbm]
Did chump get it?
00:04:02 [rbm]
paje: chump?
00:04:02 [paje]
chump is a bot that keeps track of URLS, the logs can be found at http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog/
00:04:15 [davb]
yes i think so. it was at www.pimds.com
00:09:43 [sash]
sash (~MIA@213-48-145-16.cro.cvx.blueyonder.co.uk) has joined #openacs
00:09:51 [davb]
rbm: yes
00:09:56 [rbm]
davb: k
00:10:22 [sash]
jim, davb: Doh, I'm really sorry. I made a mistake in the cmd for setting up interMedia
00:11:13 [rbm]
the openacs.org is already running 2 OpenACS instances... I wonder how well it'll handle 2 more
00:11:34 [sash]
It should be mkdir -p /ora8/$interMedia_partition_name/app/oracle/oradata/ora8/
00:11:42 [rbm]
We should be okay since we should be having little traffic
00:12:57 [davb]
if its a problem, we can put the bugtracker on musea's server :)
00:13:58 [jim]
I'm presently running 3: an oracle instance and two pg ones... all -very- idle
00:14:11 [jim]
hi sash
00:14:18 [jim]
thanks, too
00:14:44 [jim]
now... what's an intermedia partition?
00:14:45 [jim]
:)
00:14:50 [sash]
jim: Apologies *grovel* *grovel*
00:14:58 [rbm]
davb: Do you want me to put all packages in CVS? Or should we remove some?
00:15:04 [jim]
sash: it's -not- your fault
00:15:16 [davb]
rbm: good question.
00:15:17 [davb]
:)
00:15:26 [sash]
Well, it is, since I gave an incorrect answer.
00:15:56 [jim]
but I didn't ask (until after you answered, anyway)
00:16:25 [jim]
also, if I make this dir, will it happily come up?
00:16:50 [davb]
rbm: i think we can just install the packages we want to use.
00:17:21 [sash]
jim: You should see the question I was asked by a newbie: what is oracle used for?
00:17:36 [rbm]
davb: I'm putting everything on cvs
00:17:57 [jim]
sash: did you reply, "ask the oracle!"? :)
00:18:13 [sash]
jim: Yes. You won't get 01119 and 27040 creation errors.
00:18:23 [davb]
rbm: ok, that works.
00:18:55 [jim]
sash: during what part? creating the initial database? or loading the data model?
00:18:58 [sash]
jim: Drat, didn't think of that. I was flummoxed by the newbie's cluelessness.
00:19:15 [sash]
jim: Before creating the DB.
00:19:38 [jim]
oof...
00:20:29 [sash]
jim: With Oracle's record, dare I experiment w/ 9i?
00:20:54 [sash]
Not to mention 3 CDs worth of stuff to break.
00:21:27 [jim]
well, I understand there are serious hinderances to use of 9i by *ACSs...
00:22:14 [sash]
Like?
00:22:32 [jim]
I think acs would need major rewriting... can't use the names "new" or "delete"
00:22:37 [davb]
ybos i think made some changes.
00:22:39 [jim]
or something
00:22:40 [paje]
i think something is broken in static-pages :)
00:22:41 [davb]
to their version.
00:22:54 [davb]
rbm: add that to the list. change all delete's to del
00:23:02 [davb]
paje: botsnack
00:23:02 [paje]
thanks davb :)
00:23:17 [jim]
* jim gives paje a static charge!
00:26:00 [sash]
jim: W/ my non-LSE patched 2.4.18 kernel, Oracle eats up all my 2.25GB of memory in DB creation and does a little swapping too. With the patches, it was using ~1.6GB.
00:26:02 [rbm]
davb: You're keeying this list or should I?
00:28:17 [davb]
rbm: i started one.
00:28:36 [rbm]
Argh. the openacs.org only has vi, no vim. How sick is that?
00:28:36 [davb]
maybe we can setup an etp on there too. so everything is in one place.
00:28:43 [davb]
or put that stuff in the bugtracker.
00:28:46 [rbm]
davb: We can start anything :)
00:30:28 [sash]
jim: I used 00_block-highmem-all-18b-3.patch, /bkl_rollup-2.4.18-1.patch (carrier4) & fast_walkA2-2.4.18.patch (not the carrier4 version)
00:32:07 [sash]
jim: If you manage to get the siorl-v2.2417.patch working w/ those, I'd be grateful to you. You can also get a 10_rawio-vary-io-2.patch, which I don't use as I don't have dedicated RAW disks.
00:34:11 [jim]
wow, I'm not much for getting kernel code to work that doesn't already...
00:34:26 [sash]
My C is non-existent.
00:34:59 [sash]
Otherwise you could look around the .rej files and get it to work TM.
00:35:42 [jim]
well, I have some C experience... and some patch/diff exp... but no kernel-level stuff
00:36:56 [sash]
I came across the main patches in reading I/O Performance HOWTO: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IO-Perf-HOWTO/
00:37:12 [rbm]
davb: do you want openssl?
00:37:43 [davb]
rbm: me? do we need it for the openacs site? ie do you want to use it for admin pages?
00:38:28 [sash]
jim: siorl will apply cleanly but you'll get an early exit due to errors in make bzImage.
00:38:40 [rbm]
davb: Guess not eh?
00:38:47 [rbm]
let me bring this up then we think about that
00:38:59 [davb]
sure, we can add it later.
00:39:10 [jim]
hmmm... I don't understand the build env well enough... it doesn't make good use of make
00:41:04 [rbm]
WTH is supervise?
00:41:15 [rbm]
is this another one of djb's utils?
00:41:24 [davb]
rbm: supervise is the coolest way to control aolserver
00:41:26 [davb]
and yes.
00:41:31 [davb]
paje supervise?
00:41:31 [paje]
somebody said supervise was the coolest way to control aolserver
00:41:37 [davb]
paje: botsnack
00:41:37 [paje]
thanks davb :)
00:41:52 [rbm]
Boy, it sure looks like Ben is totally sold out on djb. Everything on this machine uses djb tools
00:41:59 [davb]
rbm: it works!
00:42:38 [rbm]
He puts his tools on the most awkward of paths.
00:42:41 [rbm]
It's totally weird.
00:42:52 [davb]
rbm: i will agree with that one.
00:43:32 [davb]
you will need a run script for the aolservers. and we probably need permission to supervise those.
00:44:00 [rbm]
permission from whom?
00:44:22 [rbm]
Lars says to "cd /service". We don't have that directory
00:44:37 [davb]
oh.
00:44:54 [rbm]
Where is the default for supervise's /service directory?
00:44:54 [davb]
is openacs.org using that to control aolserver, or lars?
00:45:03 [rbm]
openacs.org seems to be using it too
00:45:05 [davb]
its in /service
00:45:13 [davb]
but you could put it anywhere.
00:45:14 [rbm]
root 14105 0.0 0.0 1336 52 ? S Jan31 0:00 supervise nrpep
00:45:27 [davb]
it should be svscan i think.
00:45:39 [rbm]
we have supervise, tcpserver, qmail, the whole shpill
00:45:49 [rbm]
root 14103 0.0 0.0 1372 92 ? S Jan31 0:00 svscan /var/netsaint/service
00:46:02 [davb]
ah, you found it.
00:46:37 [rbm]
Why? What's the big deal?
00:46:46 [davb]
no idea :)
00:47:08 [davb]
i see. svscan runs a supervise for every process it is controlling.
00:47:09 [rbm]
I guess I'm revealing a little more than I should about the machine
00:47:14 [sash]
s/shpill/spiel?
00:47:20 [rbm]
sash: probably :)
00:48:22 [rbm]
davb: You have to tell me what to do with this about this djb weirdness
00:48:28 [davb]
no problem.
00:48:49 [davb]
first you need to find out where they stash the run scripts. ls -l the service directory.
00:49:47 [rbm]
didn't you say it was in the directory I pointed out above?
00:49:57 [rbm]
(BTW, this is why I *hate* logged channels)
00:50:05 [davb]
oacs-logger: off
00:50:08 [rbm]
Why do we log this anyway? We should get rid of the logging bot
00:50:11 [davb]
oacs-logger: stop
00:50:38 [davb]
rbm: i like the log because i just type stuff into the channel that I might want to retrieve later.
00:50:45 [davb]
oacs-logger: cut it out
00:50:48 [davb]
darm
00:50:54 [rbm]
oacs-logger: silence
00:50:58 [davb]
i can't even spell damn
00:51:06 [rbm]
davb: Keep your own darn logs then.
00:51:08 [davb]
oacs-logger, off
12:07:49 [davb]
oacs-logger on
12:07:49 [davb]
oacs-logger: on
12:07:49 [davb]
argh
12:07:49 [davb]
oacs-logger go ahead
12:07:49 [davb]
oacs-logger: on
12:07:49 [davb]
argh
12:07:49 [davb]
oh well.
12:08:11 [davb]
wow, he takes forever to respond.
12:08:32 [davb]
I am going to post some more general openacs toolkit improvement ideas here in a few minutes.
12:08:40 [davb]
i am just letting my brain warm up
12:20:48 [talli]
is rbm around?
12:29:42 [PascalS]
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12:31:09 [PascalS]
Hiya
12:31:32 [talli]
hey PascalS!
12:31:37 [PascalS]
Hi Talli
12:31:38 [davb]
hi PascalS
12:31:41 [davb]
hu talli
12:31:46 [talli]
yo davb
12:31:46 [PascalS]
hu?
12:31:50 [PascalS]
:)
12:32:05 [talli]
PascalS: where are you in the world?
12:32:09 [PascalS]
Do any of you have experience with wikis?
12:32:15 [PascalS]
.nl
12:32:19 [davb]
don't say wiki to talli!
12:32:20 [PascalS]
zeist.utrecht.nl
12:32:24 [PascalS]
* PascalS ducks
12:32:45 [talli]
the netherlands aren't too bad
12:32:51 [talli]
if you said germany i would be pissed
12:33:00 [talli]
davb: i don't mind wikis
12:33:10 [davb]
i know :)
12:33:33 [PascalS]
Why, they beat you in the footbal (guessing here, I would not know)
12:33:35 [davb]
i have some cool ideas for openacs that i can't believe someone hasn't already done.
12:33:48 [PascalS]
davb: in the wiki context?
12:34:03 [davb]
PascalS: not necessarily, but it would be useful for that too.
12:34:17 [davb]
basically it involves using acs-rels to links stuff together.
12:34:34 [davb]
ie. if you want to link an image to a content page, use an attached-image relationship
12:34:37 [talli]
PascalS: yeah, game just ended 1-0
12:34:42 [talli]
although i slept through it
12:34:46 [davb]
if you want to have a related link section, use the same thing.
12:34:48 [talli]
i caught the last 5 minutes and it was exciting
12:35:15 [davb]
it would be hany for knowledge managemetn kind of stuff, plus most sites have a "related items" section.
12:35:19 [PascalS]
talli: sorry, apart from the dutch not playing, I could not care less about footbal
12:35:29 [talli]
haha
12:35:37 [talli]
what happened? how did you guys not make it?
12:36:00 [davb]
i was thinking of some sort of acs-service-contract to hook things into an interface to make these relationships.
12:36:06 [PascalS]
talli: honestly, I haven't the foggiest, like I said: I truly don't care.
12:36:35 [PascalS]
davb: sounds useful,
12:36:48 [davb]
i am thinking of a service contract that givin an item_id or revision_id, a package will give back a URL, teitle, and description of an item.
12:37:10 [davb]
based on which pcakge owns the item depends on which service contract is run.
12:37:21 [davb]
this seems kinds obvious :)
12:37:26 [talli]
davb: you should check out the CMS that luke built for urbanparks.org
12:37:29 [davb]
so I am surprised noone has done it yet.
12:37:47 [davb]
talli: ok. i will look. is it on the same server as the other stuff?
12:37:59 [PascalS]
probably because it's a fair amount of work without the right infrastructure available.
12:38:29 [talli]
lemme give you access to teh staging server
12:38:36 [davb]
talli: the idea is witht he service contract, you could build any cms you want, and take advantage of this. you would not need to know what type of other packages they were as long as they implement the service contract.
12:38:47 [talli]
yes, that sounds great
12:38:57 [PascalS]
I love the basic openness of wikis, but they're all a wee bit too simple or only run on filesystem/mysql
12:39:09 [talli]
the thing iwth this CMS is that you may want to see how he implemented the "topics" functionality
12:39:27 [talli]
so that one article is shared across various content sections
12:39:28 [davb]
I am thinkng of a user interface where you click "Create Relationship" for a page, and then browse to the second item, and click the relationship button again. it remembers the first item_id, and gets the second one, and makes the relationship.
12:39:35 [davb]
talli: that sounds cool.
12:40:08 [davb]
neophytos has some good ideas about categories, that could use acs-rels so that each package can have its own category tree mapped to a big site-wide tree.
12:40:24 [davb]
anyway, i have to do some work, i'll be back around lunch time
12:41:04 [talli]
davb: real quick, login to http://upo.museatech.net
12:41:07 [davb]
the cool part is instead of creating a special interface on photo-album or something to add photos, you just use the relationships and just program the template to grab the related photos and display them with the contente page
12:41:17 [davb]
ok
12:41:19 [talli]
so i can give you admin priviliges and you can look at the system
12:41:27 [PascalS]
davb: that all sounds like something I want.
12:41:34 [talli]
just for ideas
12:41:40 [davb]
cool.
12:41:50 [talli]
also, davb, have you written up any of these ideas?
12:41:52 [PascalS]
It would make managing a personal webspace a whole lot simpler.
12:41:57 [talli]
i'm sure luke would be interested in speaking with you
12:41:59 [talli]
about them
12:42:03 [davb]
talli: i just did :)
12:42:12 [talli]
cut and paste, cut and paste...
12:42:54 [davb]
right, that is why i turned on the logger. i will write more later, i just wanted to capture the thought before i forgot.
12:43:02 [davb]
i need a recorder or something in the car
12:43:12 [PascalS]
do I see correctly that 4.5.0 is out?
12:43:15 [davb]
ok i signed up, the usual email adress.
12:43:21 [davb]
pascals, yes, i guess.
12:43:27 [talli]
how do i change the time of my linux box?
12:43:33 [talli]
it's two hours+ off
12:43:33 [davb]
talli: is it offical we are waiting for the web site for the announcement?
12:43:40 [davb]
ok, bbiab
12:43:41 [PascalS]
hwclock
12:43:48 [talli]
davb: ?
12:43:53 [PascalS]
talli: just a sec.
12:43:58 [davb]
talli: what?
12:44:12 [talli]
davb: i didn't understand the question
12:44:23 [PascalS]
talli: /usr/bin/rdate -s ntp.xs4all.nl &>/dev/null &
12:44:39 [davb]
talli: i was wondering if you knew why noone announces that 4.5 is released more or less.
12:44:53 [PascalS]
from a startup script, for example from your network connect script.
12:44:54 [davb]
because we had discusssed before waiting for the web site.
12:45:49 [talli]
oh, i think it's just because don's been overwhelmed by GP
12:45:54 [talli]
they are launching this week
12:46:04 [talli]
and they are probably pulling 20 hr days in order to have it ready
12:46:20 [davb]
ah, that too :)
12:47:51 [davb]
ok, really going back to work now.
12:53:58 [PascalS]
bye
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13:03:35 [davb]
I also like don's idea to expand the default permissions to publish and edit
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14:05:39 [talilee]
hey donb!
14:05:43 [lilo]
[GlobalNotice] Hi all. We're in the middle of fundraising. You'll probably see a couple of global notices per day. Current status: we need about $11,877 more to reach our goal. http://lilo.sargasso.net .... there's more detail on WALLOPS if you want to see things happening, just +w your client. Thanks.
14:05:47 [talilee]
how's amsterdam coming along?
14:05:53 [talilee]
you haven't drank and smoked it away, have you?
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14:07:04 [donb]
We're doing OK, trying to figure out how to support 10 hits-per-second on a lousy little two-process Sun E250 box
14:07:15 [donb]
We'll cache content and be OK
14:07:18 [talilee]
uh, is that lousy?
14:07:41 [talilee]
two-processor is lousy?
14:07:48 [donb]
Sun E250s are old boxes, a lot slower than (say) a dual-Athlon with DDR, say about twice as slow
14:07:57 [talilee]
whoa
14:08:10 [talilee]
is that what they have or is that what the colo joint is giving them?
14:08:22 [donb]
but that's what the datacenter has contracted for with the German Greenpeace folks, who are in charge of server facilities
14:08:31 [talilee]
ugh
14:08:44 [donb]
colo joint it makes some sense since Oracle supports Sun much better than Linux
14:08:54 [talilee]
for now at least
14:09:22 [talilee]
larry's made it priority number one to get oracle top notch on linux
14:09:28 [donb]
I think they've slumped off, to be honest. now that the dot bombed there's not nearly the market for low-end Oracle servers that they imagined they'd tap into
14:09:36 [talilee]
of course, priority 0 is fleecing the public utilities of the world
14:09:46 [donb]
Yeah, larry sez doesn't mean oracle duz
14:11:55 [donb]
you are missing a nice social, you twit. Malte Sussedorf, Tilmann Singer, Ben Koot, some italians and other germans ... Lars ... all the cool people
14:12:06 [talilee]
tell me abotu it
14:12:10 [talilee]
i'm not happy that i can't make it
14:12:26 [talilee]
but it's 2K for a ticket now, unless there's a way to get cheaper tickets somewhere
14:12:26 [donb]
that's a double-negative
14:12:37 [donb]
Try priceline or the like!
14:12:43 [talilee]
good idea
14:12:45 [talilee]
i'll give it a shot
14:13:15 [donb]
You could also try someplace like Brussels which is just a two-three hour train ride away and might be a lot cheaper since A'dam's such a tourist destination
14:13:20 [donb]
Of course the train costs money too
14:13:27 [talilee]
i'll check it out
14:13:39 [talilee]
but i would prefer it to be a one day, one hangover kind of trip
14:13:39 [donb]
Anyway ... didn't really explore furfly hosting it because it makes sense to host it in Europe given the Eurocentric nature of GP
14:13:46 [talilee]
ah, ok
14:14:05 [donb]
So what's up with this NGO/Open Source conference that might happen in September?
14:15:27 [talilee]
uhm...
14:15:31 [talilee]
kinda dropped the ball on that
14:15:39 [talilee]
i will need to pick it up again with the RH guys
14:15:52 [donb]
yeah you need to do this
14:16:00 [talilee]
been busy with other shit and spending massive amounts of work on something that's not immediately bringing money in is a toughie
14:17:22 [talilee]
when would you like to announce the linux world stuff
14:17:23 [talilee]
?
14:18:08 [donb]
Anytime you want
14:18:11 [talilee]
ok
14:18:29 [talilee]
perhaps you should announce it and say i will follow up?
14:19:01 [talilee]
should we establish rules for participation beforehand or ask the community for input?
14:21:07 [talilee]
actually, i can announce it
14:21:34 [talilee]
and i'll suggest a framework for rules, and then ask for community input
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14:26:42 [donb]
You announce it etc ... I've gotta run, here, be back later ...
14:26:59 [talilee]
ok, talk to you alter
14:36:02 [talilee]
btw, don, when you get back...
14:36:38 [talilee]
it would be really nice if we could use the event manager for the linux world event since davb and rbm will be getting the new site ready
14:36:52 [talilee]
does there happen to be an ETA on that tool?
14:39:07 [donb]
I don't think the Sloan event package will be of much use for such things it is very specialized
14:39:20 [talilee]
hmm... bummer
14:39:21 [talilee]
ok
14:39:41 [talilee]
ybos said they were building one
14:39:57 [talilee]
but i don't know what state it would be in the oacs, e.g. porting it to PG
14:45:38 [donb]
Well, ybox schmeebos, you know that ...
14:45:44 [donb]
ybos that is
14:46:09 [donb]
http://213.61.48.246/homepage/ is the sneak preview IP for GP Planet
14:46:09 [oacs-chump]
B: http://213.61.48.246/homepage/ from donb
14:47:06 [donb]
check it out
14:47:33 [donb]
also http://213.61.48.246/nederlands
14:48:12 [donb]
nederland not nederlands
14:53:12 [talilee]
i get an oasc installatin error on the first ip
14:53:34 [talilee]
and on the other i get a "no doc" error
14:54:02 [talilee]
"* OpenACS could not allocate a handle from database pool "subquery"."
14:55:13 [talilee]
now it works
14:55:14 [talilee]
very nice!
14:58:29 [donb]
database server crashed very bad
14:59:28 [donb]
there are linux client <-> solaris server Oracle bugs (not our AOLServer driver)
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14:59:42 [donb]
Oracle support gave us a workaround for the one, looks like we just hit another
14:59:59 [donb]
fortunately the datacenter has decent escalatable Oracle support
15:00:15 [talilee]
that's good
15:00:28 [talilee]
some other oracle support freak/genius just showed up
15:01:07 [markd2]
I know I'm a freak. who's the genius?
15:01:19 [markd2]
* markd2 freaks out
15:01:28 [rbm]
oom
15:02:33 [davb]
hi rbm and markd2
15:04:01 [rbm]
hi all
15:04:14 [donb]
hey guys
15:04:45 [donb]
Oracle client linux x86 <-> Oracle server Solaris Sparc blows or sucks depending on your POV
15:04:49 [davb]
hi donb.
15:04:54 [donb]
Hey dave!
15:04:57 [davb]
i'll keep that in mind.
15:05:15 [donb]
I had to rewrite all your code! (not really, I just util_memoized the keyword query :)
15:05:29 [donb]
cache cache cache oh fun!
15:05:55 [donb]
cache a bit here cache a bit there cache a bit cache a bit everywhere ...
15:05:59 [davb]
i though that might be necessary.
15:06:04 [davb]
especially fo rthe home page.
15:06:06 [donb]
Yeah, it's not just there, no worries
15:06:31 [davb]
the site looks great.
15:06:54 [markd2]
* markd2 sets the cache and carry-bit
15:08:04 [donb]
Y'all are going to miss a fine social next wednesday
15:08:35 [donb]
malte, lars, tilmann singer, bruno, me ... da nederlands is at risk of running out of bier
15:08:48 [donb]
(well ... not due to that lightweight lars)
15:09:03 [talilee]
ok, i'm definitely going to try and make it out
15:09:33 [davb]
brb
15:12:12 [donb]
Talli, if you come out we can probably drain Germany of bier, too :)
15:12:36 [talilee]
i'll bring my other hollow leg, then
15:18:47 [rbm]
donb: have you visited the oacs 4.5 instance we put on the openacs.org box?
15:19:32 [donb]
no, I haven't, but I'm excited about the fact that folks are starting to work on it
15:20:19 [rbm]
Yeah.
15:21:01 [donb]
where is it at?
15:21:01 [paje]
or their money
15:21:41 [rbm]
donb: http://208.184.248.90/
15:21:57 [rbm]
donb: I think that's currently ny04.openforce.net
15:22:53 [donb]
It's empty ... good work! :)
15:23:05 [donb]
Will you be rolling over Musea's earlier templating etc?
15:23:26 [rbm]
donb: Yes. We'll be moving whatever musea has done on the old site
15:23:33 [donb]
Cool ...
15:35:50 [davb]
talli: that is exactly what I am talking about (the UPO site topics etc.) but totally generalized so any acs_object can be linked to another. the key is the API and service contracts that let packages make the links without knowing about the other packages.
15:36:21 [davb]
brb, have to reinstall office...
15:40:08 [talilee]
davb: very cool
15:40:13 [talilee]
you should definitely chat with luke then
15:46:52 [davb]
yes, I will. i think this will not happen until after the site is built :)
16:16:54 [talilee]
rbm: i hope you've stopped bellyaching abotu how bad brazil is
16:17:42 [rbm]
talilee: :) They played okay yesterday.
16:17:53 [rbm]
England didn't play well.
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16:19:11 [talilee]
whoa
16:19:18 [talilee]
it sounds like you're unhappy they won?
16:21:56 [donb]
Headlines here are "brazil beats limp english" ... now they're attacking their manhood!
16:22:43 [talilee]
they english haven't had manhood since they lost their empire and the crown jewel of the orient
16:23:05 [talilee]
since then, they've not had the family jewels of the crotch
16:23:28 [rbm]
talilee: No, I'm happy.
16:24:08 [rbm]
the English were playing dirty yesterday, faking fouls and penalties all the time.
16:24:16 [rbm]
s/yesterday/today/
16:26:39 [talilee]
was ronaldinho screwed?
16:27:53 [rbm]
He was. He didn't foul that English guy, he totally faked it.
16:28:03 [rbm]
And the referree bought it.
16:28:20 [rbm]
Do you know Ronaldinho's nickname?
16:29:02 [talilee]
no
16:29:16 [rbm]
Chupa cabra :-)
16:29:47 [rbm]
That's the mythical "goatsucker" that terrorizes latin america
16:30:11 [talilee]
is he a goatsucker?
16:30:14 [rbm]
The funniest episode of Dexter's Laboratory is the Chupa Cabra one.
16:30:36 [rbm]
talilee: No, but he looks like alledged drawings of one, with those big teeth.
16:31:05 [talilee]
:)
16:31:15 [talilee]
him and ronaldo
16:31:33 [rbm]
Yeah.
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16:36:23 [talilee]
hey k2pts!
16:36:25 [rbm]
hey k2pts
16:36:38 [k2pts]
hey talilee, rbm
16:36:43 [k2pts]
rbm: congrats
16:36:55 [k2pts]
remember what I was telling you the other day about brazzil
16:36:58 [k2pts]
?
16:37:26 [k2pts]
the whole complex heard me celebrating brazil's win today :)
16:38:35 [k2pts]
is donb here or just logged in in absentia?
16:41:15 [rbm]
k2pts: :)
16:41:24 [rbm]
k2pts: he's here
16:41:26 [rbm]
paje: seen donb
16:41:27 [paje]
donb was last seen on #openacs 19 minutes and 31 seconds ago, saying: Headlines here are "brazil beats limp english" ... now they're attacking their manhood! [Fri Jun 21 11:21:54 2002]
16:42:13 [rbm]
vinod: btw, hi :)
16:42:33 [k2pts]
hey vinod. how's it going?
16:44:15 [talilee]
paje, seen davb?
16:44:15 [paje]
davb was last seen on #openacs 57 minutes and 22 seconds ago, saying: yes, I will. i think this will not happen until after the site is built :) [Fri Jun 21 10:46:51 2002]
16:46:25 [vinod]
hey guys!
16:46:29 [talilee]
hey vinod
16:47:03 [vinod]
and talli!
16:47:24 [talilee]
vinod: which is your favorite finger on my hand?
16:47:33 [vinod]
:-)
16:48:25 [vinod]
how bout we get a beer and you show me that finger in person?
16:48:55 [talilee]
is that a threat or a pick up line?
16:49:01 [vinod]
haha
16:49:31 [vinod]
threats, pick-up lines - what's the difference?
16:49:43 [talilee]
touche
16:50:14 [vinod]
* vinod is installing carpet today
16:51:19 [k2pts]
paje: who is mbr?
16:51:19 [paje]
i guess mbr is Master Boot Record or one of the many Psychephylax's alter egos
16:51:26 [k2pts]
heh
16:53:15 [k2pts]
have to head out, l8r guys
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17:10:55 [rbm]
anyone knows where are the i2c options on the kernel?
17:14:02 [denshi]
haven't heard that in a while
17:14:26 [denshi]
i2c, the defunct hardware interchange format pushed by Intel 3 years ago?
17:15:51 [rbm]
don't know if it's defunct.
17:15:59 [rbm]
AFAIK it was made by Philips
17:16:06 [rbm]
found it. It's under character devices
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Hello!
17:20:49 [Dunkelelf]
Anybody got a clue about postgresql? I'd need some help with tuning the server...
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17:24:45 [rbm]
that guy is not very patient
17:29:08 [markd2]
send him to a hostpital
17:29:12 [markd2]
or a hospital
17:29:20 [markd2]
hostpital, for all of your server diagnosis needs.
17:36:11 [denshi]
bork!
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17:38:24 [denshi]
rbm, what are you working on?
17:38:32 [denshi]
w/ the kernel mods and all
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denshi: getting temperature monitoring working
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18:05:24 [jim]
I'm having problems getting a query to work... it worked fine when it was inline, now trying to move it to a .xql resulted in it not working (and this is just copying the query verbatim, not trying the other database yet)
18:05:48 [jim]
I keep getting "statement is not a query returning rows"
18:06:09 [jim]
from db_0or1row within db_string
18:07:53 [jim]
all specifics available... what do you need first? :)
18:08:49 [jim]
(also: I added the .xql files to the package, and restarted the server many times... no go yet)
18:12:57 [rbm]
jim: you could just have reloaded the package, and told the apm to watch the file
18:13:47 [jim]
yes... but not even a restart is helping, so I can't tell if that would help
18:13:59 [rbm]
have you tried running the query from sncp?
18:14:01 [rbm]
err, nscp
18:14:11 [jim]
nscp?
18:15:11 [jim]
I dunno what that is, but the query worked before I moved it over to the .xql file
18:15:34 [jim]
maybe I need detailed docs on the query dispatcher
18:15:51 [rbm]
it's the control port. YOu telnet into it and then you can run AOLserver commands interactively
18:16:16 [jim]
ahh, like an interactive shell
18:16:30 [cro]
jim: did you take ac lose look at the server log when you restarted the server? There might be a syntax error in the XML code and it might show up when the server tries to parse the .xql file.
18:16:59 [jim]
good idea. Checking...
18:20:42 [lilo]
[GlobalNotice] Hi all. I'm currently asking for help from the users. The information is on http://lilo.sargasso.net/ . Please take a look. Thanks.
18:26:08 [jim]
[21/Jun/2002:12:23:46][18128.1024][-main-] Error: QD_LOGGER = Error parsing queryfile /web/musical-stage/packages/key-sig-drill/tcl/key-sig-drill-procs-postgresql.xql:
18:26:08 [jim]
invalid node ID
18:38:15 [rbm]
probably bad XML then
18:45:07 [davb]
jim: definitely bad xml
18:45:21 [jim]
forgot <querytext>
18:46:07 [davb]
ah.
18:46:32 [jim]
checking...
18:46:52 [jim]
-still- doesn't work
18:47:00 [rbm]
what's the error now?
18:47:08 [rbm]
are you watching that file?
18:47:30 [jim]
no, just hammered server...
18:47:41 [jim]
seems like same error
18:50:32 [rbm]
are you sure your xml is right this time?
18:50:37 [jim]
this time, parse looked fine
18:51:27 [davb]
jim watch really works :)
18:51:28 [jim]
this is the first time I tried to port a query, after I wrote said query...
18:51:43 [davb]
hmmm.
18:51:49 [davb]
what is the query name?
18:52:38 [jim]
db_string get_helper_url {} -default ""
18:53:40 [davb]
ok is it insidea tcl proc? or in a page
18:53:49 [jim]
tcl proc
18:54:05 [jim]
[21/Jun/2002:12:48:30][21196.1024][-main-] Debug: QD_LOGGER = relative path, replaced name with dbqd.key-sig-drill.tcl.key-sig-drill-procs.get_helper_url
18:54:20 [davb]
what did you set the name="" attribute in the xml? it should be tcl_proc_name.query_name
18:54:52 [jim]
ok, I got rid of the proc name awhile back... putting it back...
18:54:57 [davb]
heh
18:56:05 [jim]
-finally-.
18:56:07 [jim]
it works now
18:56:18 [rbm]
heh
18:56:24 [rbm]
cool
18:56:38 [davb]
excellent
18:57:03 [jim]
this is good tho: now I can port queries :) (well, seems so, since I doed it)
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19:31:18 [jim]
ok, my dotlrn and my old key-signature-drill site is up
19:37:40 [davb]
bbl
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20:15:41 [denshi]
vinod!
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21:04:15 [vinod]
denshi!
21:04:20 [denshi]
lag!
21:04:41 [denshi]
http://www.shatters.net/celestia/
21:04:42 [oacs-chump]
C: http://www.shatters.net/celestia/ from denshi
21:05:07 [denshi]
C: ultra-cool 3D space sim
21:05:08 [oacs-chump]
added comment C1
21:05:22 [denshi]
vinod: your move is complete, yes?
21:05:30 [vinod]
wow - that is cool!
21:05:35 [vinod]
denshi: yup
21:06:21 [vinod]
just installed some carpet on my stairs today - that's a lot harder than it looks :-)
21:10:33 [rbm]
Yon is doing some cool work in OpenACS
21:10:42 [denshi]
does it involve carpet?
21:10:52 [rbm]
Log Message:
21:10:52 [rbm]
moved portal::mapping api and data model from new-portal into the core, i.e.
21:10:52 [rbm]
into acs-tcl and acs-kernel. renamed it from portal::mapping to
21:10:53 [rbm]
site_node_object_map, since that is what it is. enjoy.
21:11:35 [rbm]
denshi: no, not really :)
21:11:52 [denshi]
how's the admin UI change coming?
21:11:58 [rbm]
vinod: did you see that we now have an oacs 4.5 instance running on the openacs.org box?
21:12:23 [rbm]
paje: openacs.org-dev is 208.184.248.90
21:12:23 [paje]
OK, rbm.
21:12:37 [rbm]
* rbm goes home
21:16:49 [denshi]
vinod: when do you start work?
21:27:22 [vinod]
rbm: cool!
21:27:27 [cro]
Who's working on etp2?
21:27:44 [vinod]
denshi: hopefully july 1st - i'm still waiting for the credentialling process to finalize
21:27:59 [denshi]
cro: IIRC, davb
21:28:01 [vinod]
cro: i know davb is. maybe jun and luke too
21:28:18 [cro]
ok, thx. Just wondering how it was coming.
21:28:58 [vinod]
check out http://www.thedesignexperience.org - davb is thinking aloud there about etp2
21:29:06 [cro]
ah, thx
21:29:41 [vinod]
np
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23:22:24 [jim]
Hi agn...
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23:45:08 [denshi]
paje, again!
23:45:09 [paje]
* paje spanks talli
23:45:16 [talli]
hey denshi
23:45:25 [talli]
had a good meeting today about momentum
23:45:38 [denshi]
what was discovered?
23:45:43 [talli]
i need to take a nap cuz my weeks been sleepless, but things will start picking up soon
23:46:07 [talli]
just got the VP of engineering at OEOne, the guys who built and released the Mozilla Calendar, on board
23:46:19 [talli]
he really wants to help and push the project
23:46:59 [talli]
so now we have the leader of OpenOffice groupware, a guy from high up in the Mozilla Calendar project, the libical guys and us OACS'ers behind getting this thing done
23:47:24 [talli]
he;s going to try and get OEOne internal resources behind getting a design and requirements doc together
23:47:39 [talli]
also, plenty 'o people will coming along as things pick up
23:47:53 [talli]
like all the slashdot dudes who post they want a calendar server!
23:48:11 [denshi]
i haven't seen any of those slashdot dudes yet
23:48:18 [talli]
the conversation is logged at http://www.notabug.com/momentum/chatlogs/
23:48:33 [talli]
when we announce the project to slashdot, maybe they will show up
23:49:53 [talli]
anyway, be back soon
23:49:56 [talli]
must nap
23:50:24 [denshi]
l8r
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23:54:08 [denshi]
bork!
23:54:22 [markd2]
danshi!