00:08:57 djweis (~djweis@dsl.75.131.networkiowa.com) has joined #openacs 00:10:42 ooom 00:11:29 mbr: I got everything. Now I'm trying to figure out how to mount this huge heatsink on the processor :) 00:11:56 arc weld it 00:12:17 djweis, the guy from the jukebox site? 00:12:36 denshi: :) 00:13:05 rbm: actually a TiG welder would be a better fit in these circumstances 00:16:44 I don't know what that in 00:16:46 s/in/is/ 00:18:43 sorry, i looked way rob. that is me. 00:19:27 djweis: hey there. Nice to see you around. Remember me from the posts on your bboard? 00:21:51 brb 00:30:10 moo? 00:30:10 moo mbr, glad to see you back! 00:30:17 HUGE? 00:30:30 Damn, you would have been really puzzled had I sent you the other one 00:30:54 what's up djweis? 00:31:06 roberto, make sure you put thermal goo between the CPU and the heatsink 00:31:09 poke in to see about the release? 00:31:13 And make sure you do it right 00:32:06 djweis has left #openacs 00:58:25 mbr: I put the goo, but there wasn't much left of it. 00:58:33 mbr: err, what's the right way to do it? 00:58:55 mbr: You have to remember that I'm used to the heatsink in my K6-2 300 00:59:23 geez 00:59:26 how much did you put? 00:59:45 everything that was in that tube, but like I said, there was little left 00:59:47 You only need to cover the little square die with thickness of about a sheet of paper 01:00:11 please tell me you only did the die.... 01:00:20 The "athlon" square? Yeah, that got covered 01:00:23 define "the die" 01:01:07 * rbm reads 01:01:20 next to last image on the page 01:01:26 And the one above it 01:03:09 btw, if I don't respond back...I'm attempting to code something in ASP on the other computer 01:03:55 okay 01:04:15 so what if some goo touched other parts of the processor (outside the die)? 01:04:53 Well....if you filled in the L1 bridges and they short out...the processor might not start 01:05:20 Then you'll have to clean it 01:08:44 ok. 01:08:54 how do you clean it? 01:09:01 If you fry it...I'm only sending you a Duron :P 01:09:15 S) 01:09:24 s/S/:/ 01:09:48 wow 01:09:49 That sucks 01:10:05 a plane in CA crashed killing 3 while putting out wildfires 01:10:11 It's wings just broke off 01:22:55 paje has quit ("regrouping; bbiab") 01:24:18 problem 01:24:25 "* To install the kernel datamodel in PostgreSQL 7.1 database user named in your AOLserver database pools must have the CREATEUSER privilege. You must drop your database and user and recreate the user, answering "yes" when asked if the new user should be able to create other users." 01:24:30 what's all this then? 01:24:35 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-82.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 01:24:46 Roberto, how's the computer building coming along? What are you missing? 01:24:52 paje, attack dave! 01:24:52 davb! 01:24:52 hi 01:25:38 anyone know why oacs4.5 demands the CREATEUSER privilege? 01:25:40 i printed an 8x10 pic 01:25:42 It didn't come out too bad 01:26:05 denshi, only to install the datamodel. you can take it away. its a creative recursive function definition 01:26:30 unfortunately, I'm trying to install it on hub.org, where I don't have that privelege 01:26:37 so how do I hack around it? 01:26:39 hey! someone from central ny is on the bboard 01:26:43 oh. 01:26:44 hmmmm 01:26:56 oh. what postgresql version? 01:27:12 i think you could rewrite it for 7.2 01:27:14 mbr: I'm building it now. I'll use my old video card, and use everything built-in. 01:27:32 but I don't *have* 7.2 on hub.org 01:27:34 The motherboard I got didn't come with an ethernet card, so I'll scavenge a pci one 01:27:44 oh :( 01:29:26 heh 01:29:31 What board did you get? 01:30:03 Hmmm 01:30:05 rbm: any ideas for solving denshi's problem? 01:30:23 mbr is now known as Infraphylax 01:30:30 hehe...You can't see me! 01:30:31 Woooo 01:31:29 davb: hmmm, not off the top of my head. 01:31:54 I could look into it, but not right now 01:32:35 rbm: how much do you charge on an hourly basis? 01:33:00 denshi: this seems to be a serious problem for anyone who doesn't control their postgreql install. 01:33:12 but it is solved by postgresql 7.2 01:33:22 what chunk of schema do I need to look at? 01:33:32 in fact, the code automatically does it the easy way with 7.2 01:33:47 acs-kernel/sql/postgresql/postgresql.sql i think. 01:34:58 starting at line 543 01:35:32 markd2 has quit ("Bork") 01:36:46 I think I just twisted my mind 01:36:50 back in a sec 01:37:32 sorry. 01:42:11 denshi: depends on the job. 01:42:33 * rbm uninstalls a boatload of debian packages 01:43:43 installing debian packages underwater $150/hour 01:47:47 rbm, so you're only missing a NIC now? 01:50:12 immediatelly, yes 01:50:37 So you got it booted and stuff? 01:51:32 not yet. I have to turn this computer off, because I'll use the hard drive. But I'm moving stuff off to the other HD first 01:52:24 I also will take the video card from this computer 01:52:38 Ah 01:52:55 So did you put ASII all over the processor or just on the little square in the center? 01:53:15 a little went on the processor, and I cleaned as best as I could 01:53:21 hopefully it'll be okay 01:53:28 If not, I'll commit arakiri tonight 01:53:33 lol 01:54:06 and rm -rf is eating all my cpu time 01:54:18 :-/ 01:54:25 I think it didn't like that I am rm'ing quake3, SimCity 3000 and Myth2 01:54:48 Most likely it's ext3 going nuts updating the journal 01:54:59 ext3 doesn't handle this very gracefully. 01:57:51 can you guys help me 01:58:00 I need to clean out bad pictures from my galleries on pBase 02:06:08 Holy cow, the processor booted 02:13:33 rbm: let's look at the stuff some more tomorrow if possible. 02:16:34 davb is now known as davb-sleep 02:23:02 davb-sleep: sure 02:44:19 anyone awake? 02:44:23 me 02:44:44 psql -V says I'm running 7.2 02:44:48 but aolserver disagrees 02:44:58 what do you think? 02:49:19 your driver is probably compiled against libpq 7.1 02:49:30 cool 03:07:23 paje, again! 03:09:55 paje is sleeping right now 03:15:11 I want to send chunks of perl for paje to eval 03:16:30 I don't think he does that 03:17:10 I will programmatically make him my slave 03:18:01 this may take some time, tho 03:22:21 (: 03:26:49 damn. the driver recompile didn't work 03:27:45 what's wrong? 03:27:52 i mean, it compiled, it just didn't change the percieved version 03:28:12 AOLserver thinks it's 7.1? 03:28:21 yes 03:28:47 could AOLserver be right? I mean, could the pgsql client be 7.2, and the server be 7.1? 03:29:00 denshi: Most likely not. 03:29:15 denshi: you could ask the postmaster version 03:29:26 the postmaster is on another machine 03:29:53 hmmm 03:30:02 in that case, AOLserver might well be right 03:31:41 I'm looking at the postgres header files, trying to find a version number 03:33:49 do you have shell access to the PG machine? 03:34:22 nope 03:36:39 I just don't see any code that needs CREATEUSER 03:37:22 Check if it's attempting to create languages anywhere 03:41:35 aren't those distinct permissions? 03:45:38 oh. because you need to be able to update pg_proc 03:51:44 yes 03:51:58 you need to be a PG super user to be able to create languages 04:05:20 perhaps I could just shoot myself and the pgsql team 04:06:52 or perhaps the other way around 04:12:29 so, are there any attempts to create languages in the oacs code? 04:17:20 unknown 04:17:28 update pg_proc is the showstopper 04:26:13 hub.org is just giving me reason after reason to leave them 04:40:48 what now 04:42:40 I have a fix 04:42:47 co-routines 04:42:52 recursing on each other 04:43:00 where should I send the code? 04:43:37 then I need to find where the install script tests for 7.2 and null that out 04:43:52 denshi: post it as a patch on the SDM 04:43:55 openacs.org/sdm 04:49:53 how is rbm v.2 coming along? 09:20:48 denshi has quit (Remote closed the connection) 10:54:51 davb-sleep has quit ("Client Exiting") 11:00:39 donb (~chatzilla@ifwv.greenpeace.org) has joined #openacs 11:01:06 Are all you slackers still asleep? C'mon, it's in the afternoon over here! 11:24:27 hey donb 11:24:34 how's the weather out there? 11:24:39 Hot and muggy 11:24:48 bummer 11:24:54 how's the project coming along? 11:24:57 Damned miserable, really, 11:25:06 It's coming along well 11:25:09 ok 11:25:15 considering we punted on making it really great 11:25:27 i assume the damned miserable was the weather ;) 11:25:37 yes, the damned miserable is the weather 11:25:44 So you're not coming to the social, eh? 11:25:48 there's plenty of time to make it great 11:25:59 when it's ported to PG, that will be an opportunity 11:26:03 no, can't make the social 11:26:12 i need to write dani and tell her 11:26:27 tell everyone sorry bout that 11:26:29 Well, it won't be ported to PG in anything like its current state, we've needed to keep most of Coddo's overall design 11:26:50 ugh 11:26:55 We figured you wouldn't come, it would be too embarrassing to be drunk under the table by a woman 11:27:03 oh man 11:27:11 Two women 11:27:33 there's no shame in being destroyed by an australian when in drinking contests 11:27:56 they're ancestors where the nobility of the british empire - the criminal class 11:28:20 Not Danielle's, she's Irish/Scots but of course the Irish have experience drinking, too 11:28:51 Add to that a couple of generations in Oz and look out! 11:29:03 Just in case she reads the log - I did mention she's really nice, right? 11:29:11 haha 11:29:21 back me up on this, Talli! 11:29:39 is bruno even able to get out of bed since the argentines got kicked out of the cup? 11:29:57 He's gotten over it, and over his 30th b'day party 11:30:08 no, i want dani to make you pay 11:30:12 whoa 11:30:19 those are some pretty heavy events. 11:30:42 btw, if you want to block the log, you stick a # in front of your sentence 11:30:43 Argentina lost to England on his 30th bday 11:30:48 oh man 11:30:51 serious pain 11:32:31 I haven't asked 11:32:51 Like that? 11:32:55 yes 11:33:01 well applied 11:33:21 or .... 11:33:41 Well, I gotta get back to work ... rob a bank for me, will you? The damned efficient Dutch bank network rarely talks to the US 11:33:53 I'm out of Euros again 11:34:09 Did I? Who was that? 11:34:26 it was a joke 11:34:27 Must've been one of those "work 'til 1:30 AM drink 'til 3 AM" mornings after 11:34:33 lay off on the dope. 11:34:41 it's affecting your sense of humor 11:34:43 OK, I'll quit teasing you 11:34:55 No, it didn't! 11:34:57 have a good one 11:35:21 I will, I'll check in later, I need Euros so I can buy beer and cool down after work 11:35:40 Damned dutch banks 11:35:58 Bruno had the same problem from the US 11:36:05 davb (~chatzilla@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-204.biz.rr.com) has joined #openacs 11:36:10 hello 11:36:18 hi donb 11:36:45 brb 11:36:54 Danielle sez "Luv ya wurk" she's teaching me to spell 11:37:06 Should be "wuuuurk" 11:37:19 A more accurate phonetic translation of what I listen to every day 11:37:50 Here comes Danielle ... 11:37:57 hi 11:38:00 its danielle 11:38:01 :) 11:38:10 thanks for all the work so far 11:38:17 thank you. 11:38:19 ... I can't shoot any more your way for now 11:38:22 I am happy to help. 11:38:24 np 11:38:38 we're gunning for launch and we're going to focus on that 11:38:50 maybe you could draft up an invoice and send it through... 11:38:55 sure. it is looking great. 11:38:58 I will do that. 11:39:20 we'll begin processing it on monday... providing we don't call you urgently with a 'please fix!! please please please' request of course.... 11:39:25 let me know where to send it (or is email ok?) 11:39:41 email is fine. :) send it to me 11:39:46 danielle 11:39:51 great. (right) 11:40:50 ok, I'll hand you back to Don - and THANKYOU for everything so far... 11:40:57 we're looking good i think :) 11:41:09 denshi (~chatzilla@cs6625176-26.austin.rr.com) has joined #openacs 11:41:19 moo 11:41:54 anyone around? 11:47:23 This is Don again, Danielle's gone back to her Yahoo Chat client with the frou-frou screensaver backgrounds 12:05:00 hey don 12:05:27 I've managed to get past my myriad 4.5 install problems and am trying to write code in it 12:07:05 are you still in denmark? 12:12:54 gurlge! 12:13:34 stop that, *phylax, you'll scare him off! 12:14:24 * Infraphylax hangs his head and wanders behind a bush 12:14:33 can anyone clarify?: do I absolutely have to create a package containing any new files to get them served? 12:14:46 what type of files? 12:14:53 tcl/adp? 12:15:16 i think you have to if you want them in a subdirectory. 12:20:10 ah, good morning davb 12:21:06 I managed to hack around my 7.1 problem 12:21:28 excellent! 12:21:42 very impressive. 12:21:47 brb 12:22:13 You should create a package, it makes things like working with the Query Dispatcher easier, and the APM has nice features like the "watch library file" feature that tracks lib changes and reloads them 12:22:43 We're taking a snack break, I'm starved, since the Euro machine is broken and can't talk to the US today 12:23:06 I know I *should* create a package, but I wonder if I can just map a dir in the QD for rapid prototyping 12:23:39 davb: the fix was to replace the self-recursive tree_ancestor_keys with 2 co-routines that alternately recursed on each other 12:23:55 talli has quit (Remote closed the connection) 12:31:49 denshi, it is very easy to create a package. i created one that contains all the custom tcl i imported from my openacs 3 site. 12:32:10 paje, seen rbm 12:32:38 donb: if you have been following along, denshi removed the createuser requirement for postgresql 7.1 12:33:01 talli (~chatzilla@pool-162-83-234-57.ny5030.east.verizon.net) has joined #openacs 12:35:42 hey denshi, how is the apache2 project coming along? 12:36:25 i've still got a couple hundred openacs4 tshirts that say "Apache!" on them 12:49:34 monkeybone! 12:56:13 mmm... life-giving latte... 12:56:31 What did he grant instead of create user? 12:57:01 donb: nothing 12:57:06 check the sdm/patches 12:57:59 since postgres will happily recurse on anything, all it's doing is checking for symbol definition 12:58:14 so it's trivial to create 2 coroutines that mutally recurse on each other 12:59:15 then you don't have the problem of trying to define a symbol that recurses on a symbol that you're trying to define that recurses... etc 12:59:44 talli: I released a stable mod_scheme (for Apache2) to the adoring masses 12:59:50 Hmmm....I wanted that structure because PG 7.2 semi-supports straight recursion and PG 7.3 will fully support recursion 13:00:16 donb: in terms of stack usage, it's the same thing 13:00:33 Sure but straight recursion is simpler and more straightforward for the reader 13:00:37 eh 13:00:52 The PG 7.1 code will go away in 4.6 when we will only support 7.2+ 13:01:14 having your project crippled by not having root access to the DB is straightforward, but remarkably non-pleasant 13:01:41 You can remove it afterwards of course 13:01:58 It is only needed for install 13:02:30 And given PG's weak access controls (getting better) typically you create a new db for each user so they can only hose themselves 13:02:32 no, no, you don't see. I'm hosting at hub.org. I don't own the DB machine. The DB machine is shared. And I can't *get* root access 13:02:46 Sure, but didn't Marc install for you? 13:02:59 Marc installed oacs3 back in the day 13:03:39 anyway, I need to get back to work 13:03:59 Well, whatever, we're dropping PG 7.1 shortly anyway 13:04:08 but I don't think my code is any less straightforward than manually adjusting pg_proc 13:04:36 whatever. 13:23:28 cro (~cro@defiant.nca.asu.edu) has joined #openacs 13:36:53 oom 13:41:18 hi rbm 13:41:21 and cro 13:41:28 greets al 13:41:29 all 13:41:36 yo rbm 13:42:01 thx for your help last night 13:42:58 hi all 13:43:09 denshi: Np. Did I help at all? 13:43:18 I see that you fixed the problem 13:43:19 sure. it's working now 13:43:46 how much should I leave for Windows on this 40 Gb disk? 13:44:14 it uses 1 Gb just for the OS, so 5 Gb should be okay 13:45:29 your games fit inside 4Gb? 13:45:43 Dungeon siege will take 1 Gb alnoe 13:48:18 ok. 6 Gb then 13:49:56 mods? 13:50:25 ? 13:51:01 sorry, drive space for DS mods? 13:51:20 5 Gb just for games have to be enough. I'm not that much of a gamer. 13:52:05 I just stuck windows on a seperate drive. I don't trust it around LILO anymore. 13:52:21 i wish I had a separate drive 13:52:36 I use grub 13:53:13 grub/lilo; it's not the util, it's win2k's occasionally ravenous desire for the mbr. 13:53:44 brb 13:53:54 :) TRUE 13:54:30 oops, sorry for the caps 13:56:27 hey guys 13:56:40 hey 13:58:19 for the past few weeks i've been using a unix desktop exclusively 13:58:24 i don't think i can go back to anything else now 13:58:30 :) 13:58:46 i might even experiment with letting my mom use it too 13:58:54 which desktop? 13:58:58 set her up with mozilla and evolution and see how she does 13:59:02 i use xfce 13:59:12 what do you use? 13:59:16 i've only used kde and xfce 13:59:26 i haven't like gnome when i've used it 13:59:35 and even kde has been a bit too much bloat 13:59:37 talli: I have several friends who have their moms using Linux boxen setup "for dummies" for everything they normally do on win/macs (e-mail, web, etc.) 13:59:47 any problems? 13:59:51 it's probably better that way 13:59:52 no 13:59:59 if there's ever an issue you can ssh into their boxes 14:00:05 exactly 14:00:17 that's cool 14:00:37 I can't believe windows is this dumbp 14:00:55 try XP 14:01:03 you will find 2K to be a work of art 14:01:06 compared to XP 14:01:09 I booted off the CD. It loaded setup, took me through partitioning, now it's time to "load the windows files" from the CD. It says it can't find the CD. 14:02:15 it found it on the third try 14:02:46 what are the chances that aol releases a native linux client? to run on a lindows box from walmart? 14:02:54 Some people have told me that XP boots a lot faster than 2K and that you can turn off the fluff 14:02:56 ohh. cool. 14:03:12 talli: I think they have a native Linux client already 14:03:13 XP may boot faster 14:03:24 oh yeah? they just haven't released it yet? 14:03:26 XP is not bad. i have mine stripped down to the base 2k style, but it still loads MSN messenger etc. 14:03:27 yeah 14:03:33 i wonder if they will build their next system in XUL 14:03:41 totally XP 14:03:50 cross-platform, that is 14:03:52 that would be neat. they could do the whole client with mozilla. 14:03:57 XP *is* bad 14:04:04 so you _have_ to load MSN Messenger? 14:04:20 in my install, every time i boot XP i have to perform a ritual in order for it to connect to the DHCP server 14:04:22 this ritual is 14:04:26 yes. there is a way to get rid of it, but then outlook express will not work. 14:04:27 talli: I doubt it. XUL is slow. 14:04:32 open the client 14:04:33 talli: weird. 14:04:41 open the nic properties 14:04:47 davb: That's great then! 14:04:49 change them to a static ip with dummy numbers 14:04:53 close the properties 14:04:57 load the nic client 14:05:01 open the client again 14:05:07 open the properties 14:05:10 change it to DHCP 14:05:14 load the properties 14:05:15 rbm: I wonder if I have the link. it is very tricky. 14:05:35 that is not a good OS. *and* it's not like i just need to know sysadmining a win system better 14:05:46 The other day I had to install MSN Messenger to be able to use Netmeeting 14:05:46 rbm: XUL isn't that slow 14:06:00 bbl 14:06:14 the mozilla developer in my office complains about cocoa being slow compared to XUL 14:06:19 so it can't be that bad 14:06:32 although it's probably not as fast as native win widgets 14:06:34 talli: oh, okay. Komodo is done using it, so it's probably okay 14:06:51