00:03:00 rbm your package is on it's way :) it left Melville NY at 8 pm today 00:09:10 COOL! 00:49:48 :) 00:50:34 now if you can find a 200 dollar filter for 10-30$ and send it to me that would be really cool 00:55:04 I'll try 01:23:29 mbr, you need another one? 01:23:35 yeah 01:23:36 Well 01:23:53 If I can find RM90's for 10$ I can sell them :) 01:24:08 But right now I'm looking for a Hoya R72 and a Tiffen 87 01:24:30 Hoya is cheaper...and costs about 35$+S&H and cuts off at 720nm 01:24:56 the Tiffen 87 has a slightly higher cutoff at 800nm and runs 65-80$ 01:25:12 The one I have cuts off a 900nm and costs 200+ 01:25:34 I want a 720nm filter to see the difference 01:33:44 davb has changed the topic to: OpenACS: Free web application toolkit, http://openacs.org 01:34:25 weird. 01:34:42 the <> in the topic screw up the index and archive pages, just not the "today" page. 01:34:44 darn. 01:47:08 Wow 01:47:11 that's pretty nifty 01:47:54 ohoh, i found it. 01:47:58 ? 01:48:05 hmmm. how to re xml encode a string in python... 01:48:18 oh 01:51:39 denshi has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 01:51:39 hazmat has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 01:51:58 denshi (~chatzilla@cs6625176-26.austin.rr.com) has joined #openacs 01:51:58 hazmat (~ender@adsl-66-123-57-58.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #openacs 02:01:27 hmmm, is hazmat around? 02:03:48 would be cool if I could get someone to modify a camera for me 02:04:20 take out the ir filter that prevents most of IR from hitting the CCD and put in a filter that blocks visible light instead 02:06:24 i think you probably need a different ccd or something. 02:06:34 infrared is probably bad for that. 02:06:49 no no... 02:06:56 the CCD is actually sensitive to IR 02:07:17 and they put in an IR "filter" to remove the IR wavelengths 02:07:45 so your visible spectrum shots come out good 02:07:51 otherwise you would get too much IR noise 02:08:48 so you want to put in the opposite kind of IR filter. 02:09:08 right 02:09:36 IR Filter they sell is actually a misnomer...it filters visible and lets in IR 02:09:52 What I got the Hoya RM90 is a visible spectrum filter 02:10:06 What they put between the lens and ccd is a real "filter" 02:10:34 So if that gets swapped for a properly sized Hoya filter it should be taking IR pictures instead of visible 02:12:00 I have to go back to the Wiz by me 02:12:07 They have a lot of open box demo cameras for sale 02:12:16 I'm gonna haggle with them and see if they sell it to me cheaper :) 02:12:17 most stores do. 02:12:23 they will, they hate them. 02:12:29 hehehe 02:12:35 Yep, there are some OOOOOLD cameras there 02:12:42 also try to get open box laptops. 02:12:43 when was the last time you heard of a D-600 from Olympus 02:12:47 they really hate them. 02:12:49 LOL 02:13:01 The cool thing is that I work for Cablevision and Cablevision owns the Wiz 02:13:09 probably because they are obselte in like a week. 02:13:10 neat. 02:13:13 So I can whip out my 02:13:25 "Corporate Engineering" badge and say..."It's your job on the line mate!" 02:13:27 hehehehehe 02:14:35 hey i found a file called EntityEncoder.py 02:15:57 wow 02:16:03 There's so much neat stuff 02:16:12 I wish I could get a Meade Telescope :) 02:16:18 they are cool. 02:16:18 Too bad it's 600$ 02:16:27 get the ETX90 02:16:39 i had one, as soon as I bought it they added the computer to it. 02:16:42 yeah they are cool...You can attach a digicam to it too and take pics of the moon 02:16:47 yep. 02:17:02 there is a book called: Using the Meade ETX 02:17:25 oh. World of Science has a 20% of sale every August, everything in the store. they sell Meade ETX. 02:17:31 yeah you can also get birding scopes and attach digicams to that 02:17:58 for astronomy, the ETX has the best optics in its price range. of course its $600 02:18:06 :-D 02:18:12 Maybe sometime when I hit the jackpot 02:18:19 Oh wow..it's 11 02:18:29 actually, the ETX is good for terrestial stuff too. 02:18:39 we sold ours to some guy in china off ebay. 02:19:04 D'oh 02:19:33 it's funny how eBay works 02:19:41 sorry, it was before i met you. 02:19:49 nah don't worry about it 02:19:54 :) 02:19:58 But it is funny how eBay works 02:20:28 Some guy is selling a Hoya R72 49mm which can be bought online in multiple places for about 36$ + S&H 02:20:35 Yet people are bidding up to 50$ on it 02:20:51 yep. idiots shop there. 02:21:13 it's at 48$ right now 02:21:43 And a Tiffen 87 (which is has a higher cutoff) is only 26$ 02:21:56 I'm going to bid 42.67$ on it 02:22:12 And I'm going to tell the guy to keep his CoolPix adapter 02:23:10 brb 02:29:22 davb: whats up? 02:30:45 oh. hi! thanks. i had an XML in python question. but I think i figured it out. I needed to encode some entities and I found EntityEncoder.py 02:30:51 k 02:31:05 whatcha ya working on? 02:31:41 fixing the chump. when it creates the archives if there are <> in the topic, it screws up because it creates a new XML file without those chars encoded. 02:32:57 ic 02:34:14 python is pretty easy to read. 02:34:52 yeah! it worked. 02:34:58 cool, i can add python to my resume. 02:35:13 denshi: all characters are now legal in the topic. 02:35:14 :) 02:35:33 i'll have to submit a patch to them later. 02:38:22 good night 02:38:26 davb is now known as davb-sleep 02:59:20 nite 05:40:33 I think I found out that I don't really like photo-albumn-lite 07:50:15 abbaJ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:25:14 radam (~radam@ipdial-163-52.tri-isys.com) has joined #openacs 11:26:39 radam has quit (Client Quit) 12:05:30 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. We need to move a main rotation server. 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Thanks for your patience, and thank you for using OPN! 12:18:11 davb-sleep is now known as davb 12:18:14 good morning 12:25:06 hey dave 12:25:08 check this out 12:25:29 look in the IR folder 12:27:04 Should be 2002-06-16, IR 12:28:29 cool! 12:28:38 very nice. a little grainy, IR usually is. 12:29:02 The difference is in the camera 12:29:11 First few were with my 2040Z 12:29:18 These were with the UZI 12:29:25 I wonder if there is a way to apply "filters" the regular photograpic type for contrast, by using photoshop. 12:30:38 I think there is cuz I think I've done it 12:31:32 You know, the orange and magenta plastic things you use when exposing prints? 12:32:31 The little tubs to mix chemcials in? 12:32:46 no :) 12:33:15 they are little sqaures. I have them here in my desk. my favorite tool. I need to get the rest of my negatives and rent a darkroom to play. 12:33:38 That was the only college class I ever took where the students did not try to get out early. they were always trying to stay later. 12:33:50 lol 12:34:39 b/c the darkroom time was limited. the interesting thing was, we really didn't have any "classes" after the first night or so. we just worked in the darkroom, and every once in a while, handed in a print. 12:35:05 the grade was almost secondary, the important part was experimenting and trying stuff out. 12:35:28 Yeah that's why I like digi-photo 12:35:43 You can experiment for free and don't waste 4 hours developing film 12:35:46 true. 12:35:56 it only takes 20 mins to develop film. 12:36:04 it takes a while to dry... 12:36:07 yep 12:36:17 And it also takes a while to set up the stuff 12:36:29 mix chemicals, set up the tubs and stuff 12:36:29 yeah, but there is something about working with the stuff that is different. 12:36:36 oh, someone else did that :) 12:36:50 :) 12:36:53 yeah...exactly 12:37:08 Back when I was a little kid my dad developed his own film 12:37:19 It was almost a whole day affair 12:37:27 I did some fun stuff, mixing negatives, using like 3 enlargers to print different parts of an image. of course it would take like 5 mins in photosop, but its no the same thing. 12:37:32 First you gotta mix the chemicals 12:38:26 right. i just like making/building stuff. with a computer or without. 12:38:51 i also took printmaking, which also can be reproduced in a computer more easily. 12:39:24 I need to think up some good stuff to put on my self-promotion page. 12:39:39 I have to make some stuff up because of my lack of experiecne :) 12:39:46 Ummm 12:39:53 If you're lacking experience where do I fit in 12:39:53 lol 12:39:53 :) 12:40:05 just talking... 12:41:10 heh 12:41:30 question for you 12:41:40 How much do you think I can haggle the Wiz people down to from 369$? 12:42:00 I'm planning on asking for 200$ 12:42:09 hmmm. digital camera? 12:42:21 what was the original price? 12:42:45 For the camera? 12:42:55 Probably like 900$ or so maybe more 12:43:18 really? 12:43:19 CompUSA has it for 500$, but with their sales you could get it for 400$ 12:43:21 how old is it? 12:43:41 probably a year and a half or two 12:43:57 wow. say $200, but you probably can get it for around $300 12:46:43 yeah if I can get it for under 300 with tax and everything included I'm sold 12:47:05 It should come with 1 year's worth of olympus warranty so if it has any "problems" I can get them taken care of 12:47:23 :) 12:48:00 Anyways 12:48:10 I gotta go buy my mommy a birthday gift, a card and some flowers 12:48:21 And go get some stuff printed 12:49:10 You think I have a better chance haggling them in person or over the phone? 12:49:28 definitely in person. with a stack of 20s 12:49:47 dude, if you get that camera for $300, buy the service plan. 12:50:00 I will 12:50:03 well 12:50:04 :) 12:50:04 actually 12:50:04 rumour has it actually is there something to automate this a bit more 12:50:10 I probably won't 12:50:30 I have one of them with an extended warranty for 3 years 12:51:06 ah, ok. 12:51:16 and one for about a year and a half (and it's getting refurbished for me as someone's "personal" camera so they will basically walk it from start to finish and return it as new" 12:51:41 So if I splurge for a 3rd one for 300$ I can afford not to get an extended warranty 12:51:49 am I crazy? 12:52:22 yes. 12:52:26 just checking 12:52:29 that is why you fit in here. 12:52:37 I know 12:53:27 so cool 12:53:30 But hey 12:53:36 I got a 240$ filter for 10$ 12:53:43 Can't I just apply the money I never spent to this? 12:53:58 like the 220$ I would have never spent because I would have never bought that filter ? 12:54:41 oh, good point. 12:54:59 i have to go to win2k, brb 12:55:02 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 13:05:25 davb (~chatzilla@alb-24-58-162-222.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 13:05:35 welcome back 13:06:35 hi 13:21:05 :) 13:30:24 ooom, paje 13:30:25 denshi: what? 13:38:31 talli (~chatzilla@pool-162-83-234-57.ny5030.east.verizon.net) has joined #openacs 13:38:38 paje, again! 13:38:38 * paje spanks talli 13:38:41 hey guys 13:38:45 hey talli 13:38:45 thanks paje 13:39:12 check out: http://www.pbase.com/psychephylax/infrared 13:39:23 hi talli 13:40:26 i'm having some trouble installing oACS according to vinod's instructions 13:40:41 ok. 13:41:11 namely, i can't seem to get the postgres user to have his home directory at /usr/local/pgsql 13:41:20 oops. 13:41:29 is usermod available? 13:41:53 hmmmm..... dunno 13:41:56 lemme chec 13:42:04 i think its usermod -d directory username or soemthing like that. 13:43:13 this should have done it when you created the user: useradd -g web -d /usr/local/pgsql postgres 13:45:18 yeah, that's the prob 13:45:24 it doesn't recognize -d 13:46:32 just edit /etc/passwd 13:46:34 i'll try ysermod 13:47:12 * denshi the sysadmin says, why don't you just reach into the nuclear pile and fix the problem directly? 13:47:27 its not quite that tricky :) 13:48:32 should i try to mow the law before it rains again? 13:49:18 no 13:49:24 ok :) 13:49:32 vive la' lawns! 13:51:54 so talli, are you having problems installing per vinod's instructions, or having problems following vinod's instructions? 13:51:59 :) 13:52:19 i'm having problems keeping myself from coming up to albany and kicking your ass 13:52:34 i think gentoo is a bit different 13:53:56 don't worry davb, talli's bluffing. he couldn't find albany with a map 13:54:08 heh 13:54:40 ah, if its different, then vinod's doc's are not linux-generic enough. 13:54:51 yeah, that could be 13:55:05 has anyone using a non-debian distro had problems? 13:55:16 i know that jon griffin is running gentoo on his boxews 13:55:30 i wonder if he can be convinced to build gentoo ebuilds.... 13:55:33 that would be nice 14:00:36 I wonder how many people have learned linux to install openacs. 14:13:37 if i understand the instructions correctly, the home directory of postgres should be /usr/local/pgsql, not /home/postgres? 14:17:13 also, when i perform the echo command nothing is presented for teh path 14:18:44 rather, the items i added to the .bash_profile are not shown in the path 14:19:06 markd2 (~Snak@h166-102-041-074.ip.alltel.net) has joined #Openacs 14:19:46 bork! 14:21:27 i don't seem to have a .bashrc in my home directory 14:21:34 how do i create it? 14:21:38 .bashrc! 14:21:45 cat > .bashrc 14:21:52 blahblahblahblah 14:22:00 then hit ctrl-C 14:22:07 or just use an editor 14:22:23 but what needs to go into it? 14:23:01 do i need a .bashrc? 14:23:12 bork bork 14:23:23 is that what goes into .bashrc? 14:23:25 * markd2 bashes talli's RC (cola) 14:23:25 bork bork? 14:23:27 wtf? 14:24:19 THIS COMMUNITY IS NOT BEING HELPFUL!!!!! 14:24:49 oh 14:25:17 the .bashrc would have things like modifications to your path, settings for environemnt variables (MAN_PATH, LD_LIBRARY_PATH, PANTS_PATH) 14:25:23 any handy aliases you have set up 14:25:30 yeah, i figured 14:25:42 but alll that shows up already 14:25:46 weird 14:28:00 this is what is in my .bash_profile 14:28:04 [ -f ~/.bashrc ] && . ~/.bashrc 14:28:06 eval `dircolors -b /etc/DIR_COLORS` 14:28:07 alias d="ls --color" 14:28:09 alias ls="ls --color=auto" 14:28:10 alias ll="ls --color -l" 14:28:12 LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/user/local/pgsql/lib 14:28:13 PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/pgsql/bin 14:28:15 export PATH LD_LIBRARY_PATH 14:28:35 this is according to vinod's instructions 14:29:29 however, an echo $PATH does not result in seeing those paths 14:31:02 is anyone around at all? 14:32:21 criminy 14:33:51 hmmm 14:34:03 I don't use bash . So I'm not much help 14:34:13 not that I ever am 14:35:13 talli: 14:35:18 that looks ok. should work. 14:35:21 i don't seem to have a .bashrc in my home directory, so perhaps .bash_profile is not being sourced? 14:35:39 was .bash_profile there or did you create it? 14:36:07 i created it 14:36:44 ok. where? /usr/local/pgsql ? 14:37:28 I am not sure what process your linux goes through when you login. 14:37:32 no, in /home/postgres 14:37:48 and that is the home directory for the postgres user? 14:37:55 yes 14:38:11 brb 14:38:20 ok 14:41:29 this is my /etc/profile file 14:41:33 if [ -e "/etc/profile.env" ] 14:41:34 then 14:41:36 source /etc/profile.env 14:41:37 fi 14:41:41 umask 022 14:41:42 if [ `/usr/bin/whoami` = 'root' ] 14:41:44 then 14:41:45 if [ "$SHELL" = '/bin/bash' ] || [ "$SHELL" = '/bin/sh' ] 14:41:47 then 14:41:48 export PS1='\[\033[01;31m\]\h \[\033[01;34m\]\W \$ \[\033[00m\]' 14:41:50 fi 14:41:51 export PATH="/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:${ROOTPATH}" 14:41:53 else 14:41:54 if [ "$SHELL" = '/bin/bash' ] || [ "$SHELL" = '/bin/sh' ] 14:41:56 then 14:41:57 export PS1='\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h \[\033[01;34m\]\W \$ \[\033[00m\]' 14:41:59 fi 14:42:00 export PATH="/bin:/usr/bin:${PATH}" 14:42:02 fi 14:42:03 unset ROOTPATH 14:42:05 export EDITOR="/usr/bin/nano" 14:42:07 if [ -z "$INPUTRC" -a ! -f "$HOME/.inputrc" ]; then 14:42:09 export INPUTRC="/etc/inputrc" 14:42:11 fi 14:44:12 http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/16/national/16DENV.html?todaysheadlines 14:44:12 A: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/16/national/16DENV.html?todaysheadlines from denshi 14:44:37 A: "we cannot allow the perception to continue that the whole state is on fire," -Mayor Wellington E. Webb of Denver 14:44:37 added comment A1 14:56:37 paje: brew coffee!! 14:56:37 markd2: what? 14:59:27 mine is even simpler than that. 14:59:57 brb 14:59:58 davb has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.7 [Mozilla rv:1.0.0/20020530]") 15:12:22 paje, after him! 15:12:22 * paje chases after the interloper 15:17:37 talli, you still here? 15:36:22 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-82.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 15:43:19 davb, do you remember pgsql backup syntax? 16:07:42 markd2 has quit ("bork") 16:22:55 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. If you haven't had a chance, please take a look at http://somegeek.org/status.html (June 14). The site may be overloaded at first but please give it a try. Thanks. 16:35:19 hey denshi 16:36:41 so summoned, I appear 16:37:00 oh wait, I guess I was doing the summoning 16:37:40 webDAV on aolserver 16:37:41 yeah, what's up? 16:37:44 gone anywhere with that? 16:37:49 PLEASE!!! 16:38:07 i know that zoran was working on something 16:38:15 he's supposed to be a tip top aolserver hacker 16:38:21 I read the mod_dav source pretty throughly when coding up mod_scheme 16:38:23 i haven't pinged him in a while about it 16:38:34 and I didn't think it was so amazingly complex 16:38:38 nice! 16:38:41 fascinating 16:38:50 did mayoff give you a detailed estimate; time breakdown & so forth? 16:39:36 he didn't 16:39:47 he said for a basic webdav, it would be 3 or 4 weeks 16:39:53 that would be just o get it working 16:40:12 for a webdav that is more extensible, with apis and so forth, it would take 4-6 weeks 16:40:25 perhaps the first stage was 2-3 weeks 16:40:37 but this was more or less off the cuff 16:40:46 a back of the envelope projections 16:40:49 projection 16:41:51 I think it might be half that 16:42:21 very cool! 16:43:45 anyone here use pg_dump with the "-o" or "--oid" switches? 16:44:05 denshi: can you help me with my bash issue real quick? 16:44:12 shoot 16:44:23 i can't seem to figure out how to add things to my path 16:44:35 i've things to my .bash_profile 16:44:40 but those do not show up 16:44:51 and i do not have a .bashrc in my hoem directories 16:45:09 when i create a user, i do this command 16:45:23 useradd -s /bin/bash -m -k /home/talli talli 16:45:31 which makes the default shell bash 16:45:55 but it seems that the /etc/profile script only defines /bin and /usr/bin as paths for bash 16:46:06 so i can't seem to figure out how to get this stuff to work 16:46:48 this appears to be the relevant stuff for the /etc/profile 16:46:49 if [ "$SHELL" = '/bin/bash' ] || [ "$SHELL" = '/bin/sh' ] 16:46:51 then 16:46:53 export PS1='\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h \[\033[01;34m\]\W \$ \[\033[00m\]' 16:46:54 fi 16:46:56 export PATH="/bin:/usr/bin:${PATH}" 16:47:39 i can also show the /etc/profile.env if you'd like to see it 16:48:31 do you have a /etc/bash.bashrc? 16:48:53 no 16:49:08 gentoo? 16:49:08