IRC log of openacs on 2002-06-16

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00:03:00 [mbr]
rbm your package is on it's way :) it left Melville NY at 8 pm today
00:09:10 [rbm]
COOL!
00:49:48 [mbr]
:)
00:50:34 [mbr]
now if you can find a 200 dollar filter for 10-30$ and send it to me that would be really cool
00:55:04 [rbm]
I'll try
01:23:29 [davb]
mbr, you need another one?
01:23:35 [mbr]
yeah
01:23:36 [mbr]
Well
01:23:53 [mbr]
If I can find RM90's for 10$ I can sell them :)
01:24:08 [mbr]
But right now I'm looking for a Hoya R72 and a Tiffen 87
01:24:30 [mbr]
Hoya is cheaper...and costs about 35$+S&H and cuts off at 720nm
01:24:56 [mbr]
the Tiffen 87 has a slightly higher cutoff at 800nm and runs 65-80$
01:25:12 [mbr]
The one I have cuts off a 900nm and costs 200+
01:25:34 [mbr]
I want a 720nm filter to see the difference
01:33:44 [davb]
davb has changed the topic to: OpenACS: Free web application toolkit, http://openacs.org
01:34:25 [davb]
weird.
01:34:42 [davb]
the <> in the topic screw up the index and archive pages, just not the "today" page.
01:34:44 [davb]
darn.
01:47:08 [mbr]
Wow
01:47:11 [mbr]
that's pretty nifty
01:47:54 [davb]
ohoh, i found it.
01:47:58 [mbr]
?
01:48:05 [davb]
hmmm. how to re xml encode a string in python...
01:48:18 [mbr]
oh
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02:01:27 [davb]
hmmm, is hazmat around?
02:03:48 [mbr]
would be cool if I could get someone to modify a camera for me
02:04:20 [mbr]
take out the ir filter that prevents most of IR from hitting the CCD and put in a filter that blocks visible light instead
02:06:24 [davb]
i think you probably need a different ccd or something.
02:06:34 [davb]
infrared is probably bad for that.
02:06:49 [mbr]
no no...
02:06:56 [mbr]
the CCD is actually sensitive to IR
02:07:17 [mbr]
and they put in an IR "filter" to remove the IR wavelengths
02:07:45 [mbr]
so your visible spectrum shots come out good
02:07:51 [mbr]
otherwise you would get too much IR noise
02:08:48 [davb]
so you want to put in the opposite kind of IR filter.
02:09:08 [mbr]
right
02:09:36 [mbr]
IR Filter they sell is actually a misnomer...it filters visible and lets in IR
02:09:52 [mbr]
What I got the Hoya RM90 is a visible spectrum filter
02:10:06 [mbr]
What they put between the lens and ccd is a real "filter"
02:10:34 [mbr]
So if that gets swapped for a properly sized Hoya filter it should be taking IR pictures instead of visible
02:12:00 [mbr]
I have to go back to the Wiz by me
02:12:07 [mbr]
They have a lot of open box demo cameras for sale
02:12:16 [mbr]
I'm gonna haggle with them and see if they sell it to me cheaper :)
02:12:17 [davb]
most stores do.
02:12:23 [davb]
they will, they hate them.
02:12:29 [mbr]
hehehe
02:12:35 [mbr]
Yep, there are some OOOOOLD cameras there
02:12:42 [davb]
also try to get open box laptops.
02:12:43 [mbr]
when was the last time you heard of a D-600 from Olympus
02:12:47 [davb]
they really hate them.
02:12:49 [mbr]
LOL
02:13:01 [mbr]
The cool thing is that I work for Cablevision and Cablevision owns the Wiz
02:13:09 [davb]
probably because they are obselte in like a week.
02:13:10 [davb]
neat.
02:13:13 [mbr]
So I can whip out my
02:13:25 [mbr]
"Corporate Engineering" badge and say..."It's your job on the line mate!"
02:13:27 [mbr]
hehehehehe
02:14:35 [davb]
hey i found a file called EntityEncoder.py
02:15:57 [mbr]
wow
02:16:03 [mbr]
There's so much neat stuff
02:16:12 [mbr]
I wish I could get a Meade Telescope :)
02:16:18 [davb]
they are cool.
02:16:18 [mbr]
Too bad it's 600$
02:16:27 [davb]
get the ETX90
02:16:39 [davb]
i had one, as soon as I bought it they added the computer to it.
02:16:42 [mbr]
yeah they are cool...You can attach a digicam to it too and take pics of the moon
02:16:47 [davb]
yep.
02:17:02 [davb]
there is a book called: Using the Meade ETX
02:17:25 [davb]
oh. World of Science has a 20% of sale every August, everything in the store. they sell Meade ETX.
02:17:31 [mbr]
yeah you can also get birding scopes and attach digicams to that
02:17:58 [davb]
for astronomy, the ETX has the best optics in its price range. of course its $600
02:18:06 [mbr]
:-D
02:18:12 [mbr]
Maybe sometime when I hit the jackpot
02:18:19 [mbr]
Oh wow..it's 11
02:18:29 [davb]
actually, the ETX is good for terrestial stuff too.
02:18:39 [davb]
we sold ours to some guy in china off ebay.
02:19:04 [mbr]
D'oh
02:19:33 [mbr]
it's funny how eBay works
02:19:41 [davb]
sorry, it was before i met you.
02:19:49 [mbr]
nah don't worry about it
02:19:54 [davb]
:)
02:19:58 [mbr]
But it is funny how eBay works
02:20:28 [mbr]
Some guy is selling a Hoya R72 49mm which can be bought online in multiple places for about 36$ + S&H
02:20:35 [mbr]
Yet people are bidding up to 50$ on it
02:20:51 [davb]
yep. idiots shop there.
02:21:13 [mbr]
it's at 48$ right now
02:21:43 [mbr]
And a Tiffen 87 (which is has a higher cutoff) is only 26$
02:21:56 [mbr]
I'm going to bid 42.67$ on it
02:22:12 [mbr]
And I'm going to tell the guy to keep his CoolPix adapter
02:23:10 [mbr]
brb
02:29:22 [hazmat]
davb: whats up?
02:30:45 [davb]
oh. hi! thanks. i had an XML in python question. but I think i figured it out. I needed to encode some entities and I found EntityEncoder.py
02:30:51 [hazmat]
k
02:31:05 [hazmat]
whatcha ya working on?
02:31:41 [davb]
fixing the chump. when it creates the archives if there are <> in the topic, it screws up because it creates a new XML file without those chars encoded.
02:32:57 [hazmat]
ic
02:34:14 [davb]
python is pretty easy to read.
02:34:52 [davb]
yeah! it worked.
02:34:58 [davb]
cool, i can add python to my resume.
02:35:13 [davb]
denshi: all characters are now legal in the topic.
02:35:14 [davb]
:)
02:35:33 [davb]
i'll have to submit a patch to them later.
02:38:22 [davb]
good night
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02:59:20 [hazmat]
nite
05:40:33 [rbm]
I think I found out that I don't really like photo-albumn-lite
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12:05:30 [lilo]
[GlobalNotice] Hi all. We need to move a main rotation server. Please bear with us for this fairly large split and rejoin.
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12:09:39 [lilo]
[GlobalNotice] That should do it. Apologies for the inconvenience. Thanks for your patience, and thank you for using OPN!
12:18:11 [davb-sleep]
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12:18:14 [davb]
good morning
12:25:06 [mbr]
hey dave
12:25:08 [mbr]
check this out
12:25:29 [mbr]
look in the IR folder
12:27:04 [mbr]
Should be 2002-06-16, IR
12:28:29 [davb]
cool!
12:28:38 [davb]
very nice. a little grainy, IR usually is.
12:29:02 [mbr]
The difference is in the camera
12:29:11 [mbr]
First few were with my 2040Z
12:29:18 [mbr]
These were with the UZI
12:29:25 [davb]
I wonder if there is a way to apply "filters" the regular photograpic type for contrast, by using photoshop.
12:30:38 [mbr]
I think there is cuz I think I've done it
12:31:32 [davb]
You know, the orange and magenta plastic things you use when exposing prints?
12:32:31 [mbr]
The little tubs to mix chemcials in?
12:32:46 [davb]
no :)
12:33:15 [davb]
they are little sqaures. I have them here in my desk. my favorite tool. I need to get the rest of my negatives and rent a darkroom to play.
12:33:38 [davb]
That was the only college class I ever took where the students did not try to get out early. they were always trying to stay later.
12:33:50 [mbr]
lol
12:34:39 [davb]
b/c the darkroom time was limited. the interesting thing was, we really didn't have any "classes" after the first night or so. we just worked in the darkroom, and every once in a while, handed in a print.
12:35:05 [davb]
the grade was almost secondary, the important part was experimenting and trying stuff out.
12:35:28 [mbr]
Yeah that's why I like digi-photo
12:35:43 [mbr]
You can experiment for free and don't waste 4 hours developing film
12:35:46 [davb]
true.
12:35:56 [davb]
it only takes 20 mins to develop film.
12:36:04 [davb]
it takes a while to dry...
12:36:07 [mbr]
yep
12:36:17 [mbr]
And it also takes a while to set up the stuff
12:36:29 [mbr]
mix chemicals, set up the tubs and stuff
12:36:29 [davb]
yeah, but there is something about working with the stuff that is different.
12:36:36 [davb]
oh, someone else did that :)
12:36:50 [mbr]
:)
12:36:53 [mbr]
yeah...exactly
12:37:08 [mbr]
Back when I was a little kid my dad developed his own film
12:37:19 [mbr]
It was almost a whole day affair
12:37:27 [davb]
I did some fun stuff, mixing negatives, using like 3 enlargers to print different parts of an image. of course it would take like 5 mins in photosop, but its no the same thing.
12:37:32 [mbr]
First you gotta mix the chemicals
12:38:26 [davb]
right. i just like making/building stuff. with a computer or without.
12:38:51 [davb]
i also took printmaking, which also can be reproduced in a computer more easily.
12:39:24 [davb]
I need to think up some good stuff to put on my self-promotion page.
12:39:39 [davb]
I have to make some stuff up because of my lack of experiecne :)
12:39:46 [mbr]
Ummm
12:39:53 [mbr]
If you're lacking experience where do I fit in
12:39:53 [mbr]
lol
12:39:53 [davb]
:)
12:40:05 [davb]
just talking...
12:41:10 [mbr]
heh
12:41:30 [mbr]
question for you
12:41:40 [mbr]
How much do you think I can haggle the Wiz people down to from 369$?
12:42:00 [mbr]
I'm planning on asking for 200$
12:42:09 [davb]
hmmm. digital camera?
12:42:21 [davb]
what was the original price?
12:42:45 [mbr]
For the camera?
12:42:55 [mbr]
Probably like 900$ or so maybe more
12:43:18 [davb]
really?
12:43:19 [mbr]
CompUSA has it for 500$, but with their sales you could get it for 400$
12:43:21 [davb]
how old is it?
12:43:41 [mbr]
probably a year and a half or two
12:43:57 [davb]
wow. say $200, but you probably can get it for around $300
12:46:43 [mbr]
yeah if I can get it for under 300 with tax and everything included I'm sold
12:47:05 [mbr]
It should come with 1 year's worth of olympus warranty so if it has any "problems" I can get them taken care of
12:47:23 [mbr]
:)
12:48:00 [mbr]
Anyways
12:48:10 [mbr]
I gotta go buy my mommy a birthday gift, a card and some flowers
12:48:21 [mbr]
And go get some stuff printed
12:49:10 [mbr]
You think I have a better chance haggling them in person or over the phone?
12:49:28 [davb]
definitely in person. with a stack of 20s
12:49:47 [davb]
dude, if you get that camera for $300, buy the service plan.
12:50:00 [mbr]
I will
12:50:03 [mbr]
well
12:50:04 [davb]
:)
12:50:04 [mbr]
actually
12:50:04 [paje]
rumour has it actually is there something to automate this a bit more
12:50:10 [mbr]
I probably won't
12:50:30 [mbr]
I have one of them with an extended warranty for 3 years
12:51:06 [davb]
ah, ok.
12:51:16 [mbr]
and one for about a year and a half (and it's getting refurbished for me as someone's "personal" camera so they will basically walk it from start to finish and return it as new"
12:51:41 [mbr]
So if I splurge for a 3rd one for 300$ I can afford not to get an extended warranty
12:51:49 [mbr]
am I crazy?
12:52:22 [davb]
yes.
12:52:26 [mbr]
just checking
12:52:29 [davb]
that is why you fit in here.
12:52:37 [mbr]
I know
12:53:27 [mbr]
so cool
12:53:30 [mbr]
But hey
12:53:36 [mbr]
I got a 240$ filter for 10$
12:53:43 [mbr]
Can't I just apply the money I never spent to this?
12:53:58 [mbr]
like the 220$ I would have never spent because I would have never bought that filter ?
12:54:41 [davb]
oh, good point.
12:54:59 [davb]
i have to go to win2k, brb
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13:05:35 [mbr]
welcome back
13:06:35 [davb]
hi
13:21:05 [mbr]
:)
13:30:24 [denshi]
ooom, paje
13:30:25 [paje]
denshi: what?
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13:38:38 [mbr]
paje, again!
13:38:38 [paje]
* paje spanks talli
13:38:41 [talli]
hey guys
13:38:45 [mbr]
hey talli
13:38:45 [talli]
thanks paje
13:39:12 [mbr]
check out: http://www.pbase.com/psychephylax/infrared
13:39:23 [davb]
hi talli
13:40:26 [talli]
i'm having some trouble installing oACS according to vinod's instructions
13:40:41 [davb]
ok.
13:41:11 [talli]
namely, i can't seem to get the postgres user to have his home directory at /usr/local/pgsql
13:41:20 [davb]
oops.
13:41:29 [davb]
is usermod available?
13:41:53 [talli]
hmmmm..... dunno
13:41:56 [talli]
lemme chec
13:42:04 [davb]
i think its usermod -d directory username or soemthing like that.
13:43:13 [davb]
this should have done it when you created the user: useradd -g web -d /usr/local/pgsql postgres
13:45:18 [talli]
yeah, that's the prob
13:45:24 [talli]
it doesn't recognize -d
13:46:32 [denshi]
just edit /etc/passwd
13:46:34 [talli]
i'll try ysermod
13:47:12 [denshi]
* denshi the sysadmin says, why don't you just reach into the nuclear pile and fix the problem directly?
13:47:27 [davb]
its not quite that tricky :)
13:48:32 [davb]
should i try to mow the law before it rains again?
13:49:18 [denshi]
no
13:49:24 [davb]
ok :)
13:49:32 [denshi]
vive la' lawns!
13:51:54 [davb]
so talli, are you having problems installing per vinod's instructions, or having problems following vinod's instructions?
13:51:59 [davb]
:)
13:52:19 [talli]
i'm having problems keeping myself from coming up to albany and kicking your ass
13:52:34 [talli]
i think gentoo is a bit different
13:53:56 [denshi]
don't worry davb, talli's bluffing. he couldn't find albany with a map
13:54:08 [davb]
heh
13:54:40 [davb]
ah, if its different, then vinod's doc's are not linux-generic enough.
13:54:51 [talli]
yeah, that could be
13:55:05 [talli]
has anyone using a non-debian distro had problems?
13:55:16 [talli]
i know that jon griffin is running gentoo on his boxews
13:55:30 [talli]
i wonder if he can be convinced to build gentoo ebuilds....
13:55:33 [talli]
that would be nice
14:00:36 [davb]
I wonder how many people have learned linux to install openacs.
14:13:37 [talli]
if i understand the instructions correctly, the home directory of postgres should be /usr/local/pgsql, not /home/postgres?
14:17:13 [talli]
also, when i perform the echo command nothing is presented for teh path
14:18:44 [talli]
rather, the items i added to the .bash_profile are not shown in the path
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14:19:46 [denshi]
bork!
14:21:27 [talli]
i don't seem to have a .bashrc in my home directory
14:21:34 [talli]
how do i create it?
14:21:38 [denshi]
.bashrc!
14:21:45 [denshi]
cat > .bashrc
14:21:52 [denshi]
blahblahblahblah
14:22:00 [denshi]
then hit ctrl-C
14:22:07 [denshi]
or just use an editor
14:22:23 [talli]
but what needs to go into it?
14:23:01 [talli]
do i need a .bashrc?
14:23:12 [markd2]
bork bork
14:23:23 [talli]
is that what goes into .bashrc?
14:23:25 [markd2]
* markd2 bashes talli's RC (cola)
14:23:25 [talli]
bork bork?
14:23:27 [talli]
wtf?
14:24:19 [talli]
THIS COMMUNITY IS NOT BEING HELPFUL!!!!!
14:24:49 [denshi]
oh
14:25:17 [markd2]
the .bashrc would have things like modifications to your path, settings for environemnt variables (MAN_PATH, LD_LIBRARY_PATH, PANTS_PATH)
14:25:23 [markd2]
any handy aliases you have set up
14:25:30 [talli]
yeah, i figured
14:25:42 [talli]
but alll that shows up already
14:25:46 [talli]
weird
14:28:00 [talli]
this is what is in my .bash_profile
14:28:04 [talli]
[ -f ~/.bashrc ] && . ~/.bashrc
14:28:06 [talli]
eval `dircolors -b /etc/DIR_COLORS`
14:28:07 [talli]
alias d="ls --color"
14:28:09 [talli]
alias ls="ls --color=auto"
14:28:10 [talli]
alias ll="ls --color -l"
14:28:12 [talli]
LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/user/local/pgsql/lib
14:28:13 [talli]
PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/pgsql/bin
14:28:15 [talli]
export PATH LD_LIBRARY_PATH
14:28:35 [talli]
this is according to vinod's instructions
14:29:29 [talli]
however, an echo $PATH does not result in seeing those paths
14:31:02 [talli]
is anyone around at all?
14:32:21 [talli]
criminy
14:33:51 [denshi]
hmmm
14:34:03 [markd2]
I don't use bash . So I'm not much help
14:34:13 [markd2]
not that I ever am
14:35:13 [davb]
talli:
14:35:18 [davb]
that looks ok. should work.
14:35:21 [talli]
i don't seem to have a .bashrc in my home directory, so perhaps .bash_profile is not being sourced?
14:35:39 [davb]
was .bash_profile there or did you create it?
14:36:07 [talli]
i created it
14:36:44 [davb]
ok. where? /usr/local/pgsql ?
14:37:28 [davb]
I am not sure what process your linux goes through when you login.
14:37:32 [talli]
no, in /home/postgres
14:37:48 [davb]
and that is the home directory for the postgres user?
14:37:55 [talli]
yes
14:38:11 [davb]
brb
14:38:20 [talli]
ok
14:41:29 [talli]
this is my /etc/profile file
14:41:33 [talli]
if [ -e "/etc/profile.env" ]
14:41:34 [talli]
then
14:41:36 [talli]
source /etc/profile.env
14:41:37 [talli]
fi
14:41:41 [talli]
umask 022
14:41:42 [talli]
if [ `/usr/bin/whoami` = 'root' ]
14:41:44 [talli]
then
14:41:45 [talli]
if [ "$SHELL" = '/bin/bash' ] || [ "$SHELL" = '/bin/sh' ]
14:41:47 [talli]
then
14:41:48 [talli]
export PS1='\[\033[01;31m\]\h \[\033[01;34m\]\W \$ \[\033[00m\]'
14:41:50 [talli]
fi
14:41:51 [talli]
export PATH="/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:${ROOTPATH}"
14:41:53 [talli]
else
14:41:54 [talli]
if [ "$SHELL" = '/bin/bash' ] || [ "$SHELL" = '/bin/sh' ]
14:41:56 [talli]
then
14:41:57 [talli]
export PS1='\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h \[\033[01;34m\]\W \$ \[\033[00m\]'
14:41:59 [talli]
fi
14:42:00 [talli]
export PATH="/bin:/usr/bin:${PATH}"
14:42:02 [talli]
fi
14:42:03 [talli]
unset ROOTPATH
14:42:05 [talli]
export EDITOR="/usr/bin/nano"
14:42:07 [talli]
if [ -z "$INPUTRC" -a ! -f "$HOME/.inputrc" ]; then
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export INPUTRC="/etc/inputrc"
14:42:11 [talli]
fi
14:44:12 [denshi]
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/16/national/16DENV.html?todaysheadlines
14:44:12 [oacs-chump]
A: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/16/national/16DENV.html?todaysheadlines from denshi
14:44:37 [denshi]
A: "we cannot allow the perception to continue that the whole state is on fire," -Mayor Wellington E. Webb of Denver
14:44:37 [oacs-chump]
added comment A1
14:56:37 [markd2]
paje: brew coffee!!
14:56:37 [paje]
markd2: what?
14:59:27 [davb]
mine is even simpler than that.
14:59:57 [davb]
brb
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15:12:22 [denshi]
paje, after him!
15:12:22 [paje]
* paje chases after the interloper
15:17:37 [denshi]
talli, you still here?
15:36:22 [davb]
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15:43:19 [denshi]
davb, do you remember pgsql backup syntax?
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16:22:55 [lilo]
[GlobalNotice] Hi all. If you haven't had a chance, please take a look at http://somegeek.org/status.html (June 14). The site may be overloaded at first but please give it a try. Thanks.
16:35:19 [talli]
hey denshi
16:36:41 [denshi]
so summoned, I appear
16:37:00 [denshi]
oh wait, I guess I was doing the summoning
16:37:40 [denshi]
webDAV on aolserver
16:37:41 [talli]
yeah, what's up?
16:37:44 [denshi]
gone anywhere with that?
16:37:49 [talli]
PLEASE!!!
16:38:07 [talli]
i know that zoran was working on something
16:38:15 [talli]
he's supposed to be a tip top aolserver hacker
16:38:21 [denshi]
I read the mod_dav source pretty throughly when coding up mod_scheme
16:38:23 [talli]
i haven't pinged him in a while about it
16:38:34 [denshi]
and I didn't think it was so amazingly complex
16:38:38 [talli]
nice!
16:38:41 [mbr]
fascinating
16:38:50 [denshi]
did mayoff give you a detailed estimate; time breakdown & so forth?
16:39:36 [talli]
he didn't
16:39:47 [talli]
he said for a basic webdav, it would be 3 or 4 weeks
16:39:53 [talli]
that would be just o get it working
16:40:12 [talli]
for a webdav that is more extensible, with apis and so forth, it would take 4-6 weeks
16:40:25 [talli]
perhaps the first stage was 2-3 weeks
16:40:37 [talli]
but this was more or less off the cuff
16:40:46 [talli]
a back of the envelope projections
16:40:49 [talli]
projection
16:41:51 [denshi]
I think it might be half that
16:42:21 [talli]
very cool!
16:43:45 [denshi]
anyone here use pg_dump with the "-o" or "--oid" switches?
16:44:05 [talli]
denshi: can you help me with my bash issue real quick?
16:44:12 [denshi]
shoot
16:44:23 [talli]
i can't seem to figure out how to add things to my path
16:44:35 [talli]
i've things to my .bash_profile
16:44:40 [talli]
but those do not show up
16:44:51 [talli]
and i do not have a .bashrc in my hoem directories
16:45:09 [talli]
when i create a user, i do this command
16:45:23 [talli]
useradd -s /bin/bash -m -k /home/talli talli
16:45:31 [talli]
which makes the default shell bash
16:45:55 [talli]
but it seems that the /etc/profile script only defines /bin and /usr/bin as paths for bash
16:46:06 [talli]
so i can't seem to figure out how to get this stuff to work
16:46:48 [talli]
this appears to be the relevant stuff for the /etc/profile
16:46:49 [talli]
if [ "$SHELL" = '/bin/bash' ] || [ "$SHELL" = '/bin/sh' ]
16:46:51 [talli]
then
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export PS1='\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h \[\033[01;34m\]\W \$ \[\033[00m\]'
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fi
16:46:56 [talli]
export PATH="/bin:/usr/bin:${PATH}"
16:47:39 [talli]
i can also show the /etc/profile.env if you'd like to see it
16:48:31 [denshi]
do you have a /etc/bash.bashrc?
16:48:53 [talli]
no
16:49:08 [denshi]
gentoo?
16:49:08 [paje]
gentoo is a serious pita for a desktop if you don't have an ultra-ultra fast processor
16:49:19 [denshi]
paje, botsnack
16:49:19 [paje]
:)
16:49:42 [talli]
yes
16:49:47 [talli]
i can ask the guys in gentoo-user
16:49:53 [denshi]
you know, I'm running debian, and I don't think /etc/profile is getting sourced
16:50:19 [denshi]
this is all a bunch of distro-specific crap, you know
16:50:30 [denshi]
I wish the LSP would fix this first
16:51:51 [talli]
tell me about it
16:52:09 [denshi]
is gentoo very similar to debian?
16:52:29 [talli]
uhm... in what way?
16:53:25 [denshi]
meaning the boot process, the /etc layout, packing, etc
16:53:39 [denshi]
I don't think I should use /etc and etc. in the same sentence
16:57:29 [denshi]
brb- need to pick up lunch
17:36:55 [abbaJ]
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19:24:27 [denshi]
how does one template a subsite?
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20:08:31 [davb]
denshi:
20:08:33 [davb]
hmm
20:08:39 [davb]
don't use -o to pg_dump
20:09:09 [denshi]
davb: are you familiar with subsite?
20:10:22 [denshi]
anyone at all?
20:10:25 [denshi]
bueller?
20:13:38 [hazmat]
ferris?
20:13:53 [hazmat]
ferral ferris frolicks
20:15:27 [denshi]
hazmat? subsites?
20:18:29 [davb]
not really familiar with subsite.
20:18:40 [davb]
i think you need to look at the skins package.
20:18:58 [hazmat]
what about them?
20:19:21 [hazmat]
i'm rusty to the point of being archival.
20:19:50 [hazmat]
you create a subsite which creates a node and some ui and group contexts...
20:21:39 [davb]
i'll be back in a bit.. cooking
20:22:11 [denshi]
has anyone, ever, in their wildest fantasies EVER DOCUMENTED ITS USE?
20:22:45 [denshi]
it's the worst package in the entire OACS!!
20:27:03 [denshi]
and the crowd is totally silent
20:27:30 [denshi]
how do you specify a subsite-master template?
20:27:43 [denshi]
where is the url for subsite control?
20:27:54 [denshi]
and why isn't it /acs-subsite/admin?
20:35:08 [davb]
hehe
20:35:15 [davb]
join the club.
20:35:38 [denshi]
goddammit, I don't want to join the club
20:35:44 [davb]
ok :)
20:35:59 [davb]
really, i haven't used subsite. i think dotlrn uses it extensively though.
20:36:10 [denshi]
I want to find out the answers that everyone else assumes is trivial, considering there is no documentation on it at all
20:36:15 [davb]
that is why I want people to start writing how they built real web sites with this. its crazy.
20:36:36 [davb]
because people are building real web sites, and solving these problems, but not sharing.
20:36:43 [denshi]
I am getting seriously pissed off here
20:37:10 [denshi]
the docs and bboards are rampant with sentences like "and then mount a subsite here"
20:37:30 [denshi]
except, WhereTF are the admin screens?
20:37:48 [denshi]
paje, get me a gun with 6 poisoned bullets in it
20:37:48 [paje]
denshi: sorry...
20:38:00 [davb]
denshi: skin is the way to define templates per subsite.
20:38:23 [denshi]
well, hey, that sounds great, if I knew how to create a subsite
20:38:28 [davb]
oh.
20:38:38 [davb]
new application - > acs subsite
20:39:03 [davb]
whenever anyone says mount, assume they are lying and mean new application.
20:39:18 [denshi]
sweet holy baby seal nuking atomic jesus
20:39:27 [denshi]
5 fucking words
20:39:46 [davb]
the terminology in the default admin UI is really, really bad and 150% ambiguous. yes.
20:39:56 [davb]
thing is, if you ignore all that it actually works.
20:40:01 [denshi]
someone tell me why I use OACS
20:40:11 [davb]
data model.
20:40:30 [davb]
we inherited this. it HAS to be fixed before we go adding new stuff.
20:40:52 [davb]
I am right now embarking on a crusade to make OACS understandable to normal human hackers.
20:42:01 [denshi]
I have a new theory on inheritance
20:45:39 [denshi]
thank you, davb, now I won't have to destroy the world by tomorrow
20:47:16 [denshi]
by thursday, maybe
20:56:29 [denshi]
what's the cvs login for openacs.org?
21:37:01 [davb]
to checkout what?
21:45:08 [davb]
To check out the 4.5 branch: cvs -dyouraccount@openacs.org:/cvsroot checkout -r oacs-4-5 -d openacs-4-5 -P openacs-4
21:45:08 [davb]
To check out the development branch: cvs -dyouraccount@openacs.org:/cvsroot checkout -d openacs-4-devel openacs-4
22:21:16 [denshi]
well, "youraccount" doesn't answer the question, which was "what's the cvs login"
22:21:37 [denshi]
but the answer is 'anonymous', and the reason that wasn't working is lost to time
22:30:10 [rbm]
oom
22:42:32 [rbm]
Did I miss the announcement of the 4.5 release?
22:43:07 [rbm]
davb: you around?
22:43:10 [rbm]
paje: seen davb
22:43:10 [paje]
davb was last seen on #openacs 58 minutes and 1 seconds ago, saying: To check out the development branch: cvs -dyouraccount@openacs.org:/cvsroot checkout -d openacs-4-devel openacs-4 [Sun Jun 16 16:45:21 2002]
22:43:45 [rbm]
paje: How about you and me go through the entire admin interface in OpenACS and revamp it, documenting thing that need to be fixed along the way? denshi could join us too.
22:43:45 [paje]
rbm: wish i knew
22:43:52 [rbm]
s/paje/davb/
22:44:08 [rbm]
That's a serious proposal, btw
22:49:29 [talli]
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22:49:37 [talli]
paje, seen shagster
22:49:37 [paje]
shagster was last seen on #openacs 2 days, 5 hours, 15 minutes and 42 seconds ago, saying: And the list time I did, I used TCLPro :-> [Fri Jun 14 12:34:07 2002]
22:49:49 [rbm]
hey talli
22:49:55 [talli]
hey rbm
22:50:10 [talli]
i'm installing oacs
22:50:17 [talli]
shagster's connection is pretty slow
22:50:33 [talli]
at least, relatively
22:50:43 [rbm]
talli: cool
22:50:49 [talli]
that aolserver distro really ought to be sitting on the oacs server as well
22:50:59 [talli]
where there's plenty of space, bandwidth and cpu time, i imagine
22:51:08 [rbm]
I was just proposing to davb (who seems to be afk) to get together and revamp the admin interface, documenting things along the way
22:51:42 [rbm]
talli: 3.3ad13? Where's it at? It's been so long since I've had it that I forgot.
22:51:49 [rbm]
talli: I'll put it in the server right away.
22:51:56 [talli]
uptime.openacs.org
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http://uptime.openacs.org/aolserver-openacs/aolserver3.3ad13-oacs1-beta-src.tar.gz
22:52:07 [oacs-chump]
B: http://uptime.openacs.org/aolserver-openacs/aolserver3.3ad13-oacs1-beta-src.tar.gz from talli
22:52:17 [talli]
B: OACS AOLserver distro
22:52:17 [oacs-chump]
added comment B1
22:52:28 [talli]
might want to mark the docs as well
22:52:46 [rbm]
So that's a tarball with just AOLserver?
22:52:51 [talli]
i was getting aout 25K/s download
22:52:57 [talli]
but i usually get 90K/s
22:53:24 [talli]
it's the AOLserver with all the aD patches
22:53:36 [rbm]
he says he took some of the patches off
22:53:47 [talli]
oh yeah?
22:53:50 [rbm]
Basically I grapped ArsDigita's AOLserver 3.3.1ad13 removed some of their stuff, modified things a bit for my use. This is very specific to the 'way I do things'. I'm open to changes. Just let me know. I have the following patches applied:
22:53:58 [rbm]
is what he says on the site.
22:54:40 [talli]
might wantt yeah
22:54:41 [talli]
ok
22:54:49 [talli]
might want to mention that in the docs then
22:54:59 [talli]
it leads the user to believe everything will be done for them
22:55:07 [rbm]
The OpenACS docs?
22:56:36 [talli]
yeah
22:56:45 [talli]
http://openacs.org/doc/openacs-4/aolserver.html
22:56:45 [oacs-chump]
C: http://openacs.org/doc/openacs-4/aolserver.html from talli
22:56:54 [talli]
C: OpenACS AOLserver install docs
22:56:55 [oacs-chump]
added comment C1
22:57:03 [rbm]
crap
22:57:04 [talli]
C: OpenACS4 AOLserver docs
22:57:04 [oacs-chump]
added comment C2
22:58:04 [rbm]
crap crap crap crap crap
22:58:34 [rbm]
Did Don announce the release anywhere?
22:59:33 [talli]
not that i saw
22:59:52 [talli]
good thing i'm giving this a run, huh? ;)
23:00:18 [rbm]
I know that he has tagged it, and the SDM says there's a new 4.5 release
23:00:24 [rbm]
(at least I got the e-mail)
23:00:49 [rbm]
Well, I'm going to put a copy of Mat's AOLserver distro on openacs.org/software.adp
23:06:03 [rbm]
talli: are you compiling from source?
23:06:11 [talli]
i am
23:06:34 [rbm]
Okay, I'm going to put the source distribution on OpenACS.org and get a 3.3ad13 Debian package done tonight.
23:06:38 [rbm]
(with everything)
23:06:48 [talli]
very cool!
23:06:59 [talli]
should i use libxml or libxml2?
23:07:07 [rbm]
I think you need libxml2
23:07:12 [talli]
cool, thanks
23:08:15 [talli]
from havig the debian package for aolserver, what are the steps to apt-get install openacs?
23:18:03 [rbm]
talli: None yet. I haven't package oacs4
23:20:18 [talli]
i am going to ping jon griffin and ask him if he would be interseted in working on a gentoo ebuild for oacs
23:20:29 [talli]
vinod's docs are great
23:20:36 [talli]
but building from source is sort of a pita
23:20:59 [talli]
apt and portage are perfect for solving this issue
23:21:51 [talli]
an ebuild may be even easier to do than an apt package as it's simply a script to describe what sources need to be fetched and how to configure them
23:23:27 [rbm]
talli: okay, it's on openacs.org/software.adp
23:23:35 [talli]
cool
23:23:49 [talli]
is it the same thing as what is available from shagster's site?
23:25:25 [rbm]
Yes, I just downloaded it.
23:27:08 [rbm]
hey talli, wanna play frozen-bubble via the network?
23:45:40 [davb]
hi rbm
23:50:17 [davb]
argh, no fair, i never get email from the sdm. its discrimination i tell ya!
23:51:39 [talli]
rbm: what's frozen bubble?
23:51:41 [talli]
are you coming on to me
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?
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