00:30:22 heh 00:30:26 where's dave 00:30:27 dave is, like, back 00:30:37 no he's not 00:46:03 paje is also | a slut 00:46:03 okay, mbr. 00:46:06 paje? 00:46:06 mbr? 00:46:09 paje? 00:46:10 mbr? 00:46:15 what are you paje? 00:46:20 paje, what are you? 00:46:20 i am a cannibal 00:46:22 paje, what are you? 00:46:22 i am the medicine man and oracle in Amazonian tribes 00:46:25 paje, what are you? 00:46:25 i am a cannibal 00:46:27 paje, what are you? 00:46:27 i am a slut 00:46:31 hehehe 00:55:52 lethedrinker has quit ("Client Exiting") 01:02:15 mbr, leave paje alone 01:02:19 paje, botsnack 01:02:19 thanks denshi :) 01:45:32 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-82.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 01:46:39 davb 01:46:42 moo 01:46:48 hi 01:55:35 mbr: whats up? 02:09:11 [GlobalNotice] Good morning, everyone (OPN time). This is just a note that WOPN, the streaming radio project of the Open Projects Network is up and running at this time. We need more listeners to give us comments and help us load test, so if you have approximately 35kbps of bandwidth available and an ogg vorbis decoder, stop by #WOPN and help us out. More information is also available in #WOPN. Thank you for your time. 02:44:45 ok bye 02:44:50 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 08:45:02 anyone alive? 09:22:22 paje, seen donb? 09:22:22 donb was last seen on #openacs 26 days, 16 hours, 3 minutes and 5 seconds ago, saying: OK bye [Sun May 19 12:19:33 2002] 11:11:47 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-82.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 11:34:16 I wonder what sort of google seraches that topic till attract? 12:23:23 yo davb 12:52:17 * mbr yawns 12:52:27 Dave? 12:52:27 i think Dave is back 12:52:42 paje seen davb 12:52:42 davb was last seen on #openacs 1 hours, 18 minutes and 27 seconds ago, saying: I wonder what sort of google seraches that topic till attract? [Sat Jun 15 06:34:32 2002] 12:58:15 docwolf (~wolf@adsl-32-221-35.bct.bellsouth.net) has joined #openacs 13:00:59 yo 13:01:10 howdy 13:01:10 hi, docwolf 13:02:53 hi 13:02:53 salut, davb 13:04:12 hey 13:04:15 Question for you 13:04:24 You have a FlashPath adapter for SmartMedia? 13:11:04 mbr, yes. old one 13:11:43 oh 13:11:49 because? 13:11:55 I got one...and it can read SmartMedia up to 128mb 13:12:05 smart ass :) 13:12:15 So I thought you were saying something about not being able to read your 64mb cards.. 13:12:25 Maybe you wanted to try the drivers I used 13:12:27 yeah mine specifically says, sorry, can't read this media size or something like that. 13:12:33 windows? 13:12:33 windows is a wanna-be operating system. 13:12:39 yeah windows 13:12:49 I dl the latest ones when I tried it. 13:13:03 From which website? 13:13:10 I used the ones from SmartDisk 13:13:20 me too 13:13:31 Really? 13:13:41 yes. 13:13:56 The top ones? 13:14:01 For win2K/XP? 13:14:02 sounds right. 13:14:05 yes :) 13:14:15 odd 13:14:19 surprisingly, I have actually used a computer before... :) 13:14:38 * mbr thwaps davb 13:18:46 i can't find any info on the model number of my flashpath. what is yours? mine is MAFP-1 13:20:31 found the answer on olympus.jp 13:20:36 "*Please note that MAFP-1 can be allowed to use SmartMedia card up to 32MB." 13:20:42 you must have a MAFP-2 13:20:57 Drivers from olympus here: 13:20:57 http://www.olympus.co.jp/CS/digital/di/row/row_download.html 13:20:58 A: http://www.olympus.co.jp/CS/digital/di/row/row_download.html from davb 13:21:05 A:|Olympus drivers 13:21:05 titled item A 13:21:13 http://www.smartdisk.com/downloads.asp 13:21:13 B: http://www.smartdisk.com/downloads.asp from davb 13:21:22 B:|Smart Disk drivers including flashpath 13:21:22 titled item B 13:21:27 A: includes flashpath 13:21:27 added comment A1 13:21:36 in case I search for them later. 13:22:06 i still need to test if the card can be read at all. my USB reader doesn't work with it either... 13:28:53 lol 13:28:56 anyone know if OACS4 has packaged the register functionality into a mountable app? 13:29:23 dave where does it say what MAFP-x it is? 13:38:42 denshi, i don't think that is seperate. 13:38:55 mbr, MAFP-1 13:39:13 mine says right on front of it. 13:39:23 and on the back there is a sticker. 13:39:33 mayeb that is the olympus model number. 13:40:07 denshi, its part of acs-subsite 13:40:29 so if I create a subsite, I'd want to mount Main on it? 13:40:31 as is site-map and a few other things. 13:41:09 denshi: no, main is a magic package instance of acs-subsite. just put another subsite on any subdirectory. 13:42:13 I have a dream of fixing up acs-workflow like lars wants, and using that for all the admin and built in functions. 13:42:27 well, i have to go to the store. bbl 13:45:24 paje, after him! 13:45:24 denshi: i'm not following you... 13:45:59 paje, after him! is | chases after the interloper 13:45:59 OK, denshi. 13:46:04 paje, after him! 13:46:04 * paje chases after the interloper 13:52:26 any mac fans here? 13:52:48 nope 13:52:59 is the APM supposed to be broken today? 14:01:42 how much state is kept in the packages/*/*.info files? 14:02:12 I man, can I just blow packages/ away and "cvs up -d -R" it to get a clean package set? 14:02:17 s/man/mean/ 14:25:05 oom 14:25:31 mooozoooreview 14:28:17 denshi has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:32:46 roberto? 14:32:46 i heard roberto was splurging on a digicam :) 14:33:09 hey 15:25:57 denshi (~chatzilla@cs6625176-26.austin.rr.com) has joined #openacs 15:26:31 markd2 (~markd2@h166-102-041-043.ip.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 15:26:39 gitdown! 15:26:39 gitfunky 15:27:03 ni bork 15:45:40 omigod omigod omigod! 15:46:14 mifriend, what hast thou done? 15:51:36 fervent worship, apparently 15:54:15 why aren't bboards present in the list of mountable applications? 15:54:52 or calendar? 15:55:05 or like half the damn list? 16:20:01 I don't know, but they show up when you actually try to mount a package 16:20:55 I am sad to say, that is incorrect 16:22:15 really? It isn't for me. 16:23:07 meaning, they show up for me 16:23:12 Maybe they don't like you :) 16:26:11 apparently they don't 16:26:21 but then, the APM already broke a couple times today 16:26:27 is this the beta or the development tree? 16:26:38 the last tag 16:26:44 the rc1 16:27:34 hmmm 16:27:56 brb- lunch 17:17:32 brb 17:17:34 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 17:24:57 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-82.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 17:25:20 hail for davb! 17:25:25 woah. 17:31:32 what's up? 17:31:35 talli (~talli@pool-162-83-234-57.ny5030.east.verizon.net) has joined #openacs 17:31:49 hey rbm, where do you brazilians get these soccer players? 17:31:59 from the clone tanks 17:32:01 i've never seen something like that goal against costa rica 17:32:07 the bicycle kick goal 17:32:16 talli: That was amesome wasn't it? 17:32:19 anyone know of software for linux that can extract CDs to a nice digital format? is ogg vorbis any good? 17:32:20 s/amesome/awesome/ 17:32:21 it was amazing 17:32:39 talli: Our soccer players come from the streets of Brazil. 17:32:47 there's something in those streets 17:32:52 ronaldo's goals were great 17:33:05 but that one simply was impossible 17:33:34 he was running full speed in one direction, stopped, flipped upside down and blasted it past the goalie 17:33:44 yep 17:34:02 and none of these guys were ever close to pele's skill? 17:34:14 They are. 17:34:22 But Pele's just classic. 17:34:24 ah 17:34:27 he was the first 17:34:37 He invented the bicycle kick for that matter 17:34:37 who's the best brazilian now? still ronaldo? 17:35:07 Ronaldo is still the best, of the world. 17:35:36 someone told me they think ronaldo was drugged before the championship match in brazil. do you believe that? 17:35:43 Romario, Edmilson, Roberto Carlos, Cafu, Rivaldo, Caca are all very good. 17:35:58 talli: Are you referring to the France world cup 4 years ago? 17:36:01 yeah 17:36:07 sorry, i meant in france 17:36:32 I think he was either poisoned or paid a lot of money to fake it. 17:36:39 really? wow 17:36:43 he was that bad? 17:37:11 i wouldn't be surprised if he was drugged. 17:37:20 he was playing in france against the french. 17:37:24 I really think he was given some drug, unknowingly. But that's just part of a Nike conspiracy. 17:37:39 oh yeah? haha. is nike passing that rumor around? 17:37:55 or did nike want france to win? 17:38:17 Nike sponsors both Brazil and France. France had never won a championship and that was their real first chance. If France won, there'd be an explosion of Nike purchases in France, a market not that strong for Nike. 17:38:27 ah... 17:39:00 but france has been good since then. they've been the best in the world since, haven't they? 17:39:13 If Brazil won, not many more people would buy Brazil Nike stuff because they either already have it or they can't afford it. 17:39:19 abbaJ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:39:20 ah, i see 17:39:21 talli: Who? France? 17:39:23 yeah 17:39:54 talli: They didn't score _one_ single goal in this year's world cup and were shamefully sent back home before the first 3 games (being disqualified after the first 2) 17:40:01 abbaJ (~jabba@adsl-65-65-96-231.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) has joined #openacs 17:40:01 yeah, that was beautiful 17:40:34 They lost to Senegal in their first game. 17:40:36 but i thought they had won the european championships and so on 17:40:44 that was even better, when they lost to senegal 17:40:54 talli: Maybe they did. I don't follow european soccer that closely. 17:40:56 but they didn't have their best player 17:41:17 talli: Yes, but that shouldn't mean that their whole team sucked. 17:41:21 true 17:41:43 maybe it's karmic poisoning 17:41:43 in 94, when the cup was in the states, i went to all brazil's games at Stanford 17:41:47 big wheel keeps on turnin' 17:41:56 it was so obvious how much better they were then everyone else 17:42:09 also, the brazilian fans were so much mroe fun than anyone else 17:42:24 talli: That's another thing on 1998's final. According to the testimony of at least two players (who played at the bench), Nike made pressure and asked the Brazilian players to lose. 17:42:36 whoa. really? intense 17:42:56 talli: Ohhh, I wish I could've gone to the 94 cup. It was the closest cup that I could've gone to. 17:43:11 i also got to go to the championship final 17:43:13 in pasadena 17:43:15 Cool! 17:43:22 the game kinda sucked, but the overtimes were awesome 17:43:28 :) 17:43:34 and while shootouts are kinda lame, they are very dramatic 17:43:50 they really should let the guys play until someone scores or they all die 17:44:11 it really sucks that italy lost on baggio's missed penalty 17:44:12 talli: You should've seen our family room in Brazil while we were watching the game. It's very dramatic. 17:44:21 i imagine 17:44:27 talli: They actually missed 2 penalties. Schilatti lost one too. 17:44:42 ah, right. but baggio missed the final one 17:44:45 yes 17:45:00 I felt bad for him. It must've been terrible. 17:45:02 who was the skinny brazilian that wore #7? 17:45:07 Bebeto 17:45:11 ah, rigth 17:45:19 was he really that good? he looked so geeky. 17:45:20 (which is a nickname for Roberto) 17:45:23 ah, i see 17:45:25 He's good. 17:45:39 and the other striker, the little crazy dude 17:46:29 the US really misses out in not playing sports that the rest of the world does 17:46:31 Romario 17:46:43 we play basketball, but it's such a joke that we send our pros to the olympics 17:46:44 Romario is awesome. 17:47:00 they pulled romario for ronaldo, right? 17:47:11 like, romario was on the last team, but played behind ronaldo 17:47:30 i do remember that ronaldo was on the 94 team, when he was like 16 or 17. which is scary 17:47:47 talli: They could've kept Romario and Ronaldo, but Felipe Scolari (Brazil's coach) thinks Romario is too old (despite he having stelar performances in last year's Brazilian championship.) 17:47:55 ah 17:48:00 Ronaldo was 17 back then. 17:48:04 yeah, romario is a tough little bastard 17:48:09 yeah, 17 is scary 17:48:13 to be on the best team in the world 17:48:23 i remember everyone was waiting to see him get in 17:49:32 so are street games in rio like street basketball in NYC? the games are basically as good as pro basketball? 17:49:35 He also has pretty good tast for women. I think 3 or 4 of his former girlfriends have capitalized on the media surrounding their relationship with him to pose for Playboy 17:49:58 talli: Yes. 17:50:01 whoa 17:50:34 how young do kids in brazil start playing soccer? 17:50:45 0 years old 17:50:49 haha 17:51:07 The first present a boy gets is usually a soccer ball 17:51:26 wow 17:52:05 I actually like basketball. I don't like that baseball and football games now take so freaking long because the networks and leagues want more advertising time. 17:52:14 4 hours is way too long. 17:52:34 i love football 17:52:39 but even i get bored sometimes 17:53:25 My brother really likes it. He taught me the rules when he visited me here and we attended 2 USU games (which we horribly lost, of course, because our team sucks) 17:53:59 But now that he's gone, I can't get myself to commit 4.5 to 5 hours of a day to go watch a game. 17:54:40 I can get myself to watch a 2 hours game easily though. 17:55:57 football is an interesting game, but television makes it less so 17:56:13 i played football, so it's a lot of fun watching routes and schemes and so on 17:56:23 but it's also the prototypical american game 17:56:24 Yeah, football has a lot of strategy 17:56:39 you have mostly black men beating each other up, working to take land from one another 17:56:50 in a game that is strategized like war 17:57:02 naked women jumping up and down around the field 17:57:11 and huge crowds screaming for blood 17:57:48 is there a handy page that maps urls to files/packages? 17:58:07 it's called a playbook 17:58:09 nope 17:58:09 oh, sorry 17:58:18 just site-map 17:58:39 that is a little shortcoming, it is kinda tricky to ask a package what it's URL is. 17:59:09 ad_conn does it. 17:59:52 ad_conn guesses the package based on the URL i think, not the other way around. 17:59:52 Well, England is out of the cup 18:00:01 davb: The other way around too. 18:00:05 but there should be a way to get that information from that database. 18:00:06 cool. 18:00:11 anything I can just browse around? 18:00:23 denshi: site-map 18:00:33 b/c I think /admin/site-map/mount is fuxx0rd 18:00:46 oh, that sounds bad. 18:01:27 denshi, what are you trying to do? 18:01:31 site-map doesn't show content-pages or anything else; just dirs and packages 18:01:40 davb: fix the damn thing so I can mount app 18:01:43 that is all you get. 18:01:46 s/app$/apps/ 18:01:51 mount, or great a new instance of one? 18:01:57 s/great/create 18:02:10 mount 18:02:27 you already did "new application"? 18:02:37 Mexico vs U.S. should be a good game. 18:02:39 mount is to assign a URL to an already installed application. 18:02:44 But Brazil vs Belgium will be better :) 18:02:52 is belgium any good? 18:03:01 talli: Not really, I'm hoping :) 18:03:08 davb: example 1: I'm trying to mount bboard 18:03:08 btw, rbm, any progress on the oacs debian package? 18:03:16 it's installed. it's enabled 18:03:24 just asking 18:03:25 but mount doesn't show it to exist 18:03:29 no pressure 18:03:34 talli: Some, but I'm working on e-commerce now, so that slowed me down. When I'm done I'll get back to the package. 18:03:38 * denshi pressures rbm 18:03:44 understood, cool 18:03:45 * rbm feels the pressure 18:04:02 i might look at trying to write an oacs ebuild for gentoo 18:04:10 from what i've looked at, it's pretty easy 18:04:11 denshi: click new application, it should be in the menu. 18:04:29 but setting up all the directories and so could be a pita 18:04:37 mount assigns a URL to a package instance. new application creates a package instance. 18:04:47 yes, it is annoying and makes no sense. 18:04:55 i've decided that i happen to like ports more than apt, so i switched back to gentoo. for no reason other than personal preference 18:05:10 debian is awesome, though 18:05:27 davb: I'm presented with a name field and the missing apps 18:05:45 davb: so I can install bboard with a funny hat? what's the point of the name? 18:06:01 so you can tell the difference between the different bboards. 18:06:09 IE openacs general, openacs design, etc... 18:06:53 actually that is wrong 18:06:55 isn't that obvious via subsites? 18:07:09 but anyway you could have more than one isntance of bboard installed. 18:07:19 and have rbm admin one of them and let mbr admin the other. 18:07:47 mount is so you can have a instance of bboard mounted in more than one location, say two different subsites. 18:08:08 I have done it so many times, it almost makes sense now. 18:08:49 "To copy an application instance to another URL, simply create a new folder as above, then select mount. Select the application to be copied from the list of available packages." 18:09:20 the instructions at the bottom of site-map actually do explain it. 18:13:28 ok. we need these steps in a tutorial on how to mount and setup some popular applications. and probably one of customizing the home page. 18:14:44 we do 18:15:33 * rbm goes to eat 18:30:08 Maybe we should setup a list of these types of docs we want, and ask for volunteers. 18:30:16 who will volunteer to make the list? 18:31:06 wow, someone is working on package openFTS for debian, and building a Common LISP interface for it. 18:36:20 what is openFTS? 18:37:05 Open Full Text Search. its a FTS engine for postgresql. there is a tcl version for openacs. 18:37:14 but the standard version is in perl. 18:40:37 has anyone configured their pg system with a java interface? 18:40:51 namely in /etc/env.d/java or something? 18:44:24 not me 18:44:41 never mind. gentoo specific. found the answer. sorry bout that 18:44:56 np 18:46:54 markd2 has quit ("Bork") 19:02:54 http://www.goingware.com/tips/fundamentals.html 19:02:54 C: http://www.goingware.com/tips/fundamentals.html from davb 19:03:05 C:|Study Fundamentals Not API's, Tools or OSes 19:03:05 titled item C 19:05:52 That's right. Study the technology, not a especific implementation 19:06:02 I Haven't read the article yet. 19:06:42 :) 19:07:25 Wow 19:07:27 I fucken roc 19:07:28 k 19:07:32 * mbr kicks paje 19:08:51 hey, leave the poor bot alone 19:09:02 you need some anger management or something. 19:09:51 bbl 19:10:23 wait 19:11:19 ok 19:11:35 The guy sold me a 230$ filter for 10$! 19:12:32 Sell it on ebay for $300 19:12:38 I'm sure people would buy it. 19:12:50 wow 19:13:17 lol 19:13:20 No way 19:13:21 I want it! 19:15:55 anyone want to buy an archos mp3 jukebox? 19:16:02 (speaking of junk) 19:16:26 i have no use for it. 19:17:16 How much? 19:17:24 Is it the 20 gig version? 19:17:32 no, it's the smaller one 19:17:38 6 i think?? it was used once 19:17:39 10 gig? 19:17:44 oh 19:17:57 it's been sitting here taking up space 19:18:04 How much do you want for it (probably out of my price range since I just gave a lot of stuff to Mooman 19:18:10 ) 19:18:45 i'm not sure.. let's see what ebay says.. i'm willing to sell it for less, just because i don't want to deal with the Great Unwashed ;-) 19:19:25 :) 19:21:11 looks like they are going for around $100 19:21:18 holy depreciation, batman. 19:21:20 :) 19:21:24 ROFL 19:22:50 So it's 6 gigs? 19:23:00 yeah, the 6 gig unit 19:23:25 i got it as a gift for a family member, but then realized that the software was too complex for them to handle 19:23:36 (they aren't computer-savvy) 19:23:51 so.. i got them a different, easier model 19:23:55 but then found i couldn't return the archos 19:24:01 bummer 19:24:19