IRC log of openacs on 2002-06-15

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00:30:22 [mbr]
heh
00:30:26 [mbr]
where's dave
00:30:27 [paje]
dave is, like, back
00:30:37 [mbr]
no he's not
00:46:03 [mbr]
paje is also | a slut
00:46:03 [paje]
okay, mbr.
00:46:06 [mbr]
paje?
00:46:06 [paje]
mbr?
00:46:09 [mbr]
paje?
00:46:10 [paje]
mbr?
00:46:15 [mbr]
what are you paje?
00:46:20 [mbr]
paje, what are you?
00:46:20 [paje]
i am a cannibal
00:46:22 [mbr]
paje, what are you?
00:46:22 [paje]
i am the medicine man and oracle in Amazonian tribes
00:46:25 [mbr]
paje, what are you?
00:46:25 [paje]
i am a cannibal
00:46:27 [mbr]
paje, what are you?
00:46:27 [paje]
i am a slut
00:46:31 [mbr]
hehehe
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01:02:15 [denshi]
mbr, leave paje alone
01:02:19 [denshi]
paje, botsnack
01:02:19 [paje]
thanks denshi :)
01:45:32 [davb]
davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-82.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs
01:46:39 [denshi]
davb
01:46:42 [denshi]
moo
01:46:48 [davb]
hi
01:55:35 [davb]
mbr: whats up?
02:09:11 [MysticOne]
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02:44:45 [davb]
ok bye
02:44:50 [davb]
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08:45:02 [denshi]
anyone alive?
09:22:22 [denshi]
paje, seen donb?
09:22:22 [paje]
donb was last seen on #openacs 26 days, 16 hours, 3 minutes and 5 seconds ago, saying: OK bye [Sun May 19 12:19:33 2002]
11:11:47 [davb]
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11:34:16 [davb]
I wonder what sort of google seraches that topic till attract?
12:23:23 [denshi]
yo davb
12:52:17 [mbr]
* mbr yawns
12:52:27 [mbr]
Dave?
12:52:27 [paje]
i think Dave is back
12:52:42 [mbr]
paje seen davb
12:52:42 [paje]
davb was last seen on #openacs 1 hours, 18 minutes and 27 seconds ago, saying: I wonder what sort of google seraches that topic till attract? [Sat Jun 15 06:34:32 2002]
12:58:15 [docwolf]
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13:00:59 [denshi]
yo
13:01:10 [docwolf]
howdy
13:01:10 [paje]
hi, docwolf
13:02:53 [davb]
hi
13:02:53 [paje]
salut, davb
13:04:12 [mbr]
hey
13:04:15 [mbr]
Question for you
13:04:24 [mbr]
You have a FlashPath adapter for SmartMedia?
13:11:04 [davb]
mbr, yes. old one
13:11:43 [mbr]
oh
13:11:49 [davb]
because?
13:11:55 [mbr]
I got one...and it can read SmartMedia up to 128mb
13:12:05 [davb]
smart ass :)
13:12:15 [mbr]
So I thought you were saying something about not being able to read your 64mb cards..
13:12:25 [mbr]
Maybe you wanted to try the drivers I used
13:12:27 [davb]
yeah mine specifically says, sorry, can't read this media size or something like that.
13:12:33 [davb]
windows?
13:12:33 [paje]
windows is a wanna-be operating system.
13:12:39 [mbr]
yeah windows
13:12:49 [davb]
I dl the latest ones when I tried it.
13:13:03 [mbr]
From which website?
13:13:10 [mbr]
I used the ones from SmartDisk
13:13:20 [davb]
me too
13:13:31 [mbr]
Really?
13:13:41 [davb]
yes.
13:13:56 [mbr]
The top ones?
13:14:01 [mbr]
For win2K/XP?
13:14:02 [davb]
sounds right.
13:14:05 [davb]
yes :)
13:14:15 [mbr]
odd
13:14:19 [davb]
surprisingly, I have actually used a computer before... :)
13:14:38 [mbr]
* mbr thwaps davb
13:18:46 [davb]
i can't find any info on the model number of my flashpath. what is yours? mine is MAFP-1
13:20:31 [davb]
found the answer on olympus.jp
13:20:36 [davb]
"*Please note that MAFP-1 can be allowed to use SmartMedia card up to 32MB."
13:20:42 [davb]
you must have a MAFP-2
13:20:57 [davb]
Drivers from olympus here:
13:20:57 [davb]
http://www.olympus.co.jp/CS/digital/di/row/row_download.html
13:20:58 [oacs-chump]
A: http://www.olympus.co.jp/CS/digital/di/row/row_download.html from davb
13:21:05 [davb]
A:|Olympus drivers
13:21:05 [oacs-chump]
titled item A
13:21:13 [davb]
http://www.smartdisk.com/downloads.asp
13:21:13 [oacs-chump]
B: http://www.smartdisk.com/downloads.asp from davb
13:21:22 [davb]
B:|Smart Disk drivers including flashpath
13:21:22 [oacs-chump]
titled item B
13:21:27 [davb]
A: includes flashpath
13:21:27 [oacs-chump]
added comment A1
13:21:36 [davb]
in case I search for them later.
13:22:06 [davb]
i still need to test if the card can be read at all. my USB reader doesn't work with it either...
13:28:53 [mbr]
lol
13:28:56 [denshi]
anyone know if OACS4 has packaged the register functionality into a mountable app?
13:29:23 [mbr]
dave where does it say what MAFP-x it is?
13:38:42 [davb]
denshi, i don't think that is seperate.
13:38:55 [davb]
mbr, MAFP-1
13:39:13 [davb]
mine says right on front of it.
13:39:23 [davb]
and on the back there is a sticker.
13:39:33 [davb]
mayeb that is the olympus model number.
13:40:07 [davb]
denshi, its part of acs-subsite
13:40:29 [denshi]
so if I create a subsite, I'd want to mount Main on it?
13:40:31 [davb]
as is site-map and a few other things.
13:41:09 [davb]
denshi: no, main is a magic package instance of acs-subsite. just put another subsite on any subdirectory.
13:42:13 [davb]
I have a dream of fixing up acs-workflow like lars wants, and using that for all the admin and built in functions.
13:42:27 [davb]
well, i have to go to the store. bbl
13:45:24 [denshi]
paje, after him!
13:45:24 [paje]
denshi: i'm not following you...
13:45:59 [denshi]
paje, after him! is | <action> chases after the interloper
13:45:59 [paje]
OK, denshi.
13:46:04 [denshi]
paje, after him!
13:46:04 [paje]
* paje chases after the interloper
13:52:26 [docwolf]
any mac fans here?
13:52:48 [denshi]
nope
13:52:59 [denshi]
is the APM supposed to be broken today?
14:01:42 [denshi]
how much state is kept in the packages/*/*.info files?
14:02:12 [denshi]
I man, can I just blow packages/ away and "cvs up -d -R" it to get a clean package set?
14:02:17 [denshi]
s/man/mean/
14:25:05 [rbm]
oom
14:25:31 [docwolf]
mooozoooreview
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14:32:46 [mbr]
roberto?
14:32:46 [paje]
i heard roberto was splurging on a digicam :)
14:33:09 [rbm]
hey
15:25:57 [denshi]
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15:26:31 [markd2]
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15:26:39 [denshi]
gitdown!
15:26:39 [paje]
gitfunky
15:27:03 [markd2]
ni bork
15:45:40 [mbr]
omigod omigod omigod!
15:46:14 [rbm]
mifriend, what hast thou done?
15:51:36 [denshi]
fervent worship, apparently
15:54:15 [denshi]
why aren't bboards present in the list of mountable applications?
15:54:52 [denshi]
or calendar?
15:55:05 [denshi]
or like half the damn list?
16:20:01 [rbm]
I don't know, but they show up when you actually try to mount a package
16:20:55 [denshi]
I am sad to say, that is incorrect
16:22:15 [rbm]
really? It isn't for me.
16:23:07 [rbm]
meaning, they show up for me
16:23:12 [rbm]
Maybe they don't like you :)
16:26:11 [denshi]
apparently they don't
16:26:21 [denshi]
but then, the APM already broke a couple times today
16:26:27 [rbm]
is this the beta or the development tree?
16:26:38 [denshi]
the last tag
16:26:44 [denshi]
the rc1
16:27:34 [rbm]
hmmm
16:27:56 [denshi]
brb- lunch
17:17:32 [davb]
brb
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17:25:20 [rbm]
hail for davb!
17:25:25 [davb]
woah.
17:31:32 [davb]
what's up?
17:31:35 [talli]
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17:31:49 [talli]
hey rbm, where do you brazilians get these soccer players?
17:31:59 [markd2]
from the clone tanks
17:32:01 [talli]
i've never seen something like that goal against costa rica
17:32:07 [talli]
the bicycle kick goal
17:32:16 [rbm]
talli: That was amesome wasn't it?
17:32:19 [davb]
anyone know of software for linux that can extract CDs to a nice digital format? is ogg vorbis any good?
17:32:20 [rbm]
s/amesome/awesome/
17:32:21 [talli]
it was amazing
17:32:39 [rbm]
talli: Our soccer players come from the streets of Brazil.
17:32:47 [talli]
there's something in those streets
17:32:52 [talli]
ronaldo's goals were great
17:33:05 [talli]
but that one simply was impossible
17:33:34 [talli]
he was running full speed in one direction, stopped, flipped upside down and blasted it past the goalie
17:33:44 [rbm]
yep
17:34:02 [talli]
and none of these guys were ever close to pele's skill?
17:34:14 [rbm]
They are.
17:34:22 [rbm]
But Pele's just classic.
17:34:24 [talli]
ah
17:34:27 [talli]
he was the first
17:34:37 [rbm]
He invented the bicycle kick for that matter
17:34:37 [talli]
who's the best brazilian now? still ronaldo?
17:35:07 [rbm]
Ronaldo is still the best, of the world.
17:35:36 [talli]
someone told me they think ronaldo was drugged before the championship match in brazil. do you believe that?
17:35:43 [rbm]
Romario, Edmilson, Roberto Carlos, Cafu, Rivaldo, Caca are all very good.
17:35:58 [rbm]
talli: Are you referring to the France world cup 4 years ago?
17:36:01 [talli]
yeah
17:36:07 [talli]
sorry, i meant in france
17:36:32 [rbm]
I think he was either poisoned or paid a lot of money to fake it.
17:36:39 [talli]
really? wow
17:36:43 [talli]
he was that bad?
17:37:11 [talli]
i wouldn't be surprised if he was drugged.
17:37:20 [talli]
he was playing in france against the french.
17:37:24 [rbm]
I really think he was given some drug, unknowingly. But that's just part of a Nike conspiracy.
17:37:39 [talli]
oh yeah? haha. is nike passing that rumor around?
17:37:55 [talli]
or did nike want france to win?
17:38:17 [rbm]
Nike sponsors both Brazil and France. France had never won a championship and that was their real first chance. If France won, there'd be an explosion of Nike purchases in France, a market not that strong for Nike.
17:38:27 [talli]
ah...
17:39:00 [talli]
but france has been good since then. they've been the best in the world since, haven't they?
17:39:13 [rbm]
If Brazil won, not many more people would buy Brazil Nike stuff because they either already have it or they can't afford it.
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17:39:20 [talli]
ah, i see
17:39:21 [rbm]
talli: Who? France?
17:39:23 [talli]
yeah
17:39:54 [rbm]
talli: They didn't score _one_ single goal in this year's world cup and were shamefully sent back home before the first 3 games (being disqualified after the first 2)
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17:40:01 [talli]
yeah, that was beautiful
17:40:34 [rbm]
They lost to Senegal in their first game.
17:40:36 [talli]
but i thought they had won the european championships and so on
17:40:44 [talli]
that was even better, when they lost to senegal
17:40:54 [rbm]
talli: Maybe they did. I don't follow european soccer that closely.
17:40:56 [talli]
but they didn't have their best player
17:41:17 [rbm]
talli: Yes, but that shouldn't mean that their whole team sucked.
17:41:21 [talli]
true
17:41:43 [markd2]
maybe it's karmic poisoning
17:41:43 [talli]
in 94, when the cup was in the states, i went to all brazil's games at Stanford
17:41:47 [markd2]
big wheel keeps on turnin'
17:41:56 [talli]
it was so obvious how much better they were then everyone else
17:42:09 [talli]
also, the brazilian fans were so much mroe fun than anyone else
17:42:24 [rbm]
talli: That's another thing on 1998's final. According to the testimony of at least two players (who played at the bench), Nike made pressure and asked the Brazilian players to lose.
17:42:36 [talli]
whoa. really? intense
17:42:56 [rbm]
talli: Ohhh, I wish I could've gone to the 94 cup. It was the closest cup that I could've gone to.
17:43:11 [talli]
i also got to go to the championship final
17:43:13 [talli]
in pasadena
17:43:15 [rbm]
Cool!
17:43:22 [talli]
the game kinda sucked, but the overtimes were awesome
17:43:28 [rbm]
:)
17:43:34 [talli]
and while shootouts are kinda lame, they are very dramatic
17:43:50 [talli]
they really should let the guys play until someone scores or they all die
17:44:11 [talli]
it really sucks that italy lost on baggio's missed penalty
17:44:12 [rbm]
talli: You should've seen our family room in Brazil while we were watching the game. It's very dramatic.
17:44:21 [talli]
i imagine
17:44:27 [rbm]
talli: They actually missed 2 penalties. Schilatti lost one too.
17:44:42 [talli]
ah, right. but baggio missed the final one
17:44:45 [rbm]
yes
17:45:00 [rbm]
I felt bad for him. It must've been terrible.
17:45:02 [talli]
who was the skinny brazilian that wore #7?
17:45:07 [rbm]
Bebeto
17:45:11 [talli]
ah, rigth
17:45:19 [talli]
was he really that good? he looked so geeky.
17:45:20 [rbm]
(which is a nickname for Roberto)
17:45:23 [talli]
ah, i see
17:45:25 [rbm]
He's good.
17:45:39 [talli]
and the other striker, the little crazy dude
17:46:29 [talli]
the US really misses out in not playing sports that the rest of the world does
17:46:31 [rbm]
Romario
17:46:43 [talli]
we play basketball, but it's such a joke that we send our pros to the olympics
17:46:44 [rbm]
Romario is awesome.
17:47:00 [talli]
they pulled romario for ronaldo, right?
17:47:11 [talli]
like, romario was on the last team, but played behind ronaldo
17:47:30 [talli]
i do remember that ronaldo was on the 94 team, when he was like 16 or 17. which is scary
17:47:47 [rbm]
talli: They could've kept Romario and Ronaldo, but Felipe Scolari (Brazil's coach) thinks Romario is too old (despite he having stelar performances in last year's Brazilian championship.)
17:47:55 [talli]
ah
17:48:00 [rbm]
Ronaldo was 17 back then.
17:48:04 [talli]
yeah, romario is a tough little bastard
17:48:09 [talli]
yeah, 17 is scary
17:48:13 [talli]
to be on the best team in the world
17:48:23 [talli]
i remember everyone was waiting to see him get in
17:49:32 [talli]
so are street games in rio like street basketball in NYC? the games are basically as good as pro basketball?
17:49:35 [rbm]
He also has pretty good tast for women. I think 3 or 4 of his former girlfriends have capitalized on the media surrounding their relationship with him to pose for Playboy
17:49:58 [rbm]
talli: Yes.
17:50:01 [talli]
whoa
17:50:34 [talli]
how young do kids in brazil start playing soccer?
17:50:45 [rbm]
0 years old
17:50:49 [talli]
haha
17:51:07 [rbm]
The first present a boy gets is usually a soccer ball
17:51:26 [talli]
wow
17:52:05 [rbm]
I actually like basketball. I don't like that baseball and football games now take so freaking long because the networks and leagues want more advertising time.
17:52:14 [rbm]
4 hours is way too long.
17:52:34 [talli]
i love football
17:52:39 [talli]
but even i get bored sometimes
17:53:25 [rbm]
My brother really likes it. He taught me the rules when he visited me here and we attended 2 USU games (which we horribly lost, of course, because our team sucks)
17:53:59 [rbm]
But now that he's gone, I can't get myself to commit 4.5 to 5 hours of a day to go watch a game.
17:54:40 [rbm]
I can get myself to watch a 2 hours game easily though.
17:55:57 [talli]
football is an interesting game, but television makes it less so
17:56:13 [talli]
i played football, so it's a lot of fun watching routes and schemes and so on
17:56:23 [talli]
but it's also the prototypical american game
17:56:24 [rbm]
Yeah, football has a lot of strategy
17:56:39 [talli]
you have mostly black men beating each other up, working to take land from one another
17:56:50 [talli]
in a game that is strategized like war
17:57:02 [talli]
naked women jumping up and down around the field
17:57:11 [talli]
and huge crowds screaming for blood
17:57:48 [denshi]
is there a handy page that maps urls to files/packages?
17:58:07 [talli]
it's called a playbook
17:58:09 [davb]
nope
17:58:09 [talli]
oh, sorry
17:58:18 [davb]
just site-map
17:58:39 [davb]
that is a little shortcoming, it is kinda tricky to ask a package what it's URL is.
17:59:09 [rbm]
ad_conn does it.
17:59:52 [davb]
ad_conn guesses the package based on the URL i think, not the other way around.
17:59:52 [rbm]
Well, England is out of the cup
18:00:01 [rbm]
davb: The other way around too.
18:00:05 [davb]
but there should be a way to get that information from that database.
18:00:06 [davb]
cool.
18:00:11 [denshi]
anything I can just browse around?
18:00:23 [rbm]
denshi: site-map
18:00:33 [denshi]
b/c I think /admin/site-map/mount is fuxx0rd
18:00:46 [davb]
oh, that sounds bad.
18:01:27 [davb]
denshi, what are you trying to do?
18:01:31 [denshi]
site-map doesn't show content-pages or anything else; just dirs and packages
18:01:40 [denshi]
davb: fix the damn thing so I can mount app
18:01:43 [davb]
that is all you get.
18:01:46 [denshi]
s/app$/apps/
18:01:51 [davb]
mount, or great a new instance of one?
18:01:57 [davb]
s/great/create
18:02:10 [denshi]
mount
18:02:27 [davb]
you already did "new application"?
18:02:37 [rbm]
Mexico vs U.S. should be a good game.
18:02:39 [davb]
mount is to assign a URL to an already installed application.
18:02:44 [rbm]
But Brazil vs Belgium will be better :)
18:02:52 [talli]
is belgium any good?
18:03:01 [rbm]
talli: Not really, I'm hoping :)
18:03:08 [denshi]
davb: example 1: I'm trying to mount bboard
18:03:08 [talli]
btw, rbm, any progress on the oacs debian package?
18:03:16 [denshi]
it's installed. it's enabled
18:03:24 [talli]
just asking
18:03:25 [denshi]
but mount doesn't show it to exist
18:03:29 [talli]
no pressure
18:03:34 [rbm]
talli: Some, but I'm working on e-commerce now, so that slowed me down. When I'm done I'll get back to the package.
18:03:38 [denshi]
* denshi pressures rbm
18:03:44 [talli]
understood, cool
18:03:45 [rbm]
* rbm feels the pressure
18:04:02 [talli]
i might look at trying to write an oacs ebuild for gentoo
18:04:10 [talli]
from what i've looked at, it's pretty easy
18:04:11 [davb]
denshi: click new application, it should be in the menu.
18:04:29 [talli]
but setting up all the directories and so could be a pita
18:04:37 [davb]
mount assigns a URL to a package instance. new application creates a package instance.
18:04:47 [davb]
yes, it is annoying and makes no sense.
18:04:55 [talli]
i've decided that i happen to like ports more than apt, so i switched back to gentoo. for no reason other than personal preference
18:05:10 [talli]
debian is awesome, though
18:05:27 [denshi]
davb: I'm presented with a name field and the missing apps
18:05:45 [denshi]
davb: so I can install bboard with a funny hat? what's the point of the name?
18:06:01 [davb]
so you can tell the difference between the different bboards.
18:06:09 [davb]
IE openacs general, openacs design, etc...
18:06:53 [davb]
actually that is wrong
18:06:55 [denshi]
isn't that obvious via subsites?
18:07:09 [davb]
but anyway you could have more than one isntance of bboard installed.
18:07:19 [davb]
and have rbm admin one of them and let mbr admin the other.
18:07:47 [davb]
mount is so you can have a instance of bboard mounted in more than one location, say two different subsites.
18:08:08 [davb]
I have done it so many times, it almost makes sense now.
18:08:49 [davb]
"To copy an application instance to another URL, simply create a new folder as above, then select mount. Select the application to be copied from the list of available packages."
18:09:20 [davb]
the instructions at the bottom of site-map actually do explain it.
18:13:28 [davb]
ok. we need these steps in a tutorial on how to mount and setup some popular applications. and probably one of customizing the home page.
18:14:44 [rbm]
we do
18:15:33 [rbm]
* rbm goes to eat
18:30:08 [davb]
Maybe we should setup a list of these types of docs we want, and ask for volunteers.
18:30:16 [davb]
who will volunteer to make the list?
18:31:06 [davb]
wow, someone is working on package openFTS for debian, and building a Common LISP interface for it.
18:36:20 [denshi]
what is openFTS?
18:37:05 [davb]
Open Full Text Search. its a FTS engine for postgresql. there is a tcl version for openacs.
18:37:14 [davb]
but the standard version is in perl.
18:40:37 [talli]
has anyone configured their pg system with a java interface?
18:40:51 [talli]
namely in /etc/env.d/java or something?
18:44:24 [davb]
not me
18:44:41 [talli]
never mind. gentoo specific. found the answer. sorry bout that
18:44:56 [davb]
np
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19:02:54 [davb]
http://www.goingware.com/tips/fundamentals.html
19:02:54 [oacs-chump]
C: http://www.goingware.com/tips/fundamentals.html from davb
19:03:05 [davb]
C:|Study Fundamentals Not API's, Tools or OSes
19:03:05 [oacs-chump]
titled item C
19:05:52 [rbm]
That's right. Study the technology, not a especific implementation
19:06:02 [rbm]
I Haven't read the article yet.
19:06:42 [davb]
:)
19:07:25 [mbr]
Wow
19:07:27 [mbr]
I fucken roc
19:07:28 [mbr]
k
19:07:32 [mbr]
* mbr kicks paje
19:08:51 [davb]
hey, leave the poor bot alone
19:09:02 [davb]
you need some anger management or something.
19:09:51 [davb]
bbl
19:10:23 [mbr]
wait
19:11:19 [davb]
ok
19:11:35 [mbr]
The guy sold me a 230$ filter for 10$!
19:12:32 [rbm]
Sell it on ebay for $300
19:12:38 [rbm]
I'm sure people would buy it.
19:12:50 [davb]
wow
19:13:17 [mbr]
lol
19:13:20 [mbr]
No way
19:13:21 [mbr]
I want it!
19:15:55 [docwolf]
anyone want to buy an archos mp3 jukebox?
19:16:02 [docwolf]
(speaking of junk)
19:16:26 [docwolf]
i have no use for it.
19:17:16 [mbr]
How much?
19:17:24 [mbr]
Is it the 20 gig version?
19:17:32 [docwolf]
no, it's the smaller one
19:17:38 [docwolf]
6 i think?? it was used once
19:17:39 [mbr]
10 gig?
19:17:44 [mbr]
oh
19:17:57 [docwolf]
it's been sitting here taking up space
19:18:04 [mbr]
How much do you want for it (probably out of my price range since I just gave a lot of stuff to Mooman
19:18:10 [mbr]
)
19:18:45 [docwolf]
i'm not sure.. let's see what ebay says.. i'm willing to sell it for less, just because i don't want to deal with the Great Unwashed ;-)
19:19:25 [mbr]
:)
19:21:11 [docwolf]
looks like they are going for around $100
19:21:18 [docwolf]
holy depreciation, batman.
19:21:20 [mbr]
:)
19:21:24 [mbr]
ROFL
19:22:50 [mbr]
So it's 6 gigs?
19:23:00 [docwolf]
yeah, the 6 gig unit
19:23:25 [docwolf]
i got it as a gift for a family member, but then realized that the software was too complex for them to handle
19:23:36 [docwolf]
(they aren't computer-savvy)
19:23:51 [docwolf]
so.. i got them a different, easier model
19:23:55 [docwolf]
but then found i couldn't return the archos
19:24:01 [docwolf]
bummer
19:24:19 [mbr]
yeah bummer indeed
19:24:46 [mbr]
Well, I'd love to buy it but I need some time to gather money
19:24:53 [mbr]
That 85$ parking ticket did not help
19:24:59 [docwolf]
yikes
19:26:34 [mbr]
how much would you sell it for?
19:26:58 [docwolf]
i guess about $80 would be right
19:27:01 [docwolf]
(?)
19:27:15 [mbr]
And how long are you willing to wait for the money?
19:27:16 [rbm]
If I declare two columns to be on a UNIQUE constraint, they will be indexed right?
19:27:33 [docwolf]
mbr: you'll send it pony express?
19:27:42 [mbr]
What's Pony Express?
19:27:56 [davb]
in postgresql?
19:28:01 [rbm]
mbr: Horse Courier from the 1800's
19:28:01 [talli]
mbr: you have to go back to school
19:28:04 [docwolf]
mbr: hehe. what country are you from again?
19:28:08 [mbr]
Russia
19:28:23 [rbm]
davb: yes my man!
19:28:37 [docwolf]
ok. "Pony Express" is a term from late 19th/early 20th century america.
19:28:47 [docwolf]
it was when they used horses to deliver the mail "quickly" across the west.
19:28:51 [davb]
i think it will create an index, it should say when you try it :)
19:29:20 [talli]
can anyone connect to postgresql.org?
19:29:40 [talli]
i can't seem to ping it either
19:29:57 [talli]
can anyone recommend a mirror to download PG from?
19:30:33 [rbm]
* rbm hugs the PostgreSQL Cookbook
19:30:43 [rbm]
talli: check iodynamics.com
19:30:53 [rbm]
through ftp
19:30:55 [talli]
thanks
19:31:08 [rbm]
talli: Also, try www.us.postgresql.org
19:31:20 [rbm]
or us?.postgresql.org
19:31:24 [talli]
perfect, thanks
19:31:40 [rbm]
talli: No problem. That'll be $50.
19:31:45 [talli]
for oacs, should i use 7.1.3 or 7.2.1?
19:31:49 [rbm]
* rbm is getting the hang of capitalism
19:31:59 [rbm]
talli: 7.2.1!!
19:32:04 [davb]
works fine.
19:32:06 [talli]
ok
19:32:14 [rbm]
talli: there are a few issues on e-commerce, but I'm correcting them.
19:32:18 [docwolf]
rbm: don't take the money. you'll be legally liable when talli gets a virus.
19:32:46 [rbm]
docwolf: talli is paying RBM & Son, L.L.C :-)
19:32:55 [docwolf]
there ya go!
19:34:07 [rbm]
I should get a masters in economics/MBA, go back to Brazil, become Ministry of Finances, fix the economy (which would include lobbying for the free software law)
19:34:42 [rbm]
Then become Ministry of Education, revamp the educational system
19:34:59 [rbm]
* rbm wakes up from the dream
19:36:32 [talli]
after altering /etc/group, must i run something in order for the alteration to be recognized?
19:36:52 [rbm]
if it's the user you're currently logged in as, logout and log back in
19:37:07 [talli]
no, it's another user
19:37:17 [talli]
i am currently logged in as root (another machine)
19:37:21 [rbm]
Then reboot.
19:37:35 [talli]
reboot the whole box? ok, will need to do that in a sec. thanks
19:38:03 [rbm]
of course!
19:38:09 [rbm]
talli: I'm KIDDING!
19:38:17 [rbm]
:-)
19:38:39 [talli]
whoops
19:38:42 [talli]
so what do i have to do?
19:38:47 [rbm]
nothing. It's done.
19:38:54 [talli]
when i logged out as root and logged back in, it wasn't recognized
19:38:59 [talli]
perhaps i didn't save it before...
19:39:21 [rbm]
`groups` doesn't show it?
19:40:13 [talli]
groups shows the groups
19:40:25 [talli]
how do i view who is in the wheel group?
19:40:49 [docwolf]
why is the 'wheel' group called 'wheel' ?
19:41:14 [talli]
ignore docwolf. he's just trying to start a tangent
19:41:25 [mbr]
tangent or tangerine?
19:41:32 [docwolf]
mmm.. tangerine...
19:41:35 [talli]
for you, mbr, middle finger
19:41:39 [mbr]
I could go for some tangerines
19:41:54 [mbr]
paje, agaim!
19:41:54 [paje]
mbr: what?
19:41:54 [docwolf]
"a marriage is like an orange..."
19:41:59 [mbr]
paje, again!
19:41:59 [paje]
* paje spanks talli
19:42:02 [mbr]
stupid fingers
19:44:37 [rbm]
talli: You can use the 'groups' command to see which groups you're in
19:45:21 [rbm]
* rbm wonders if by just RAISE EXCEPTION a trigger will cancel the insert/update
19:45:27 [talli]
got it, thanks
19:45:58 [docwolf]
anyone here have a Tivo?
19:46:53 [rbm]
docwolf: No, but I wish I had one
19:58:57 [talli]
does it matter if i compile and install pg before i make the user?
19:59:04 [talli]
make the postgres user, that is
19:59:24 [talli]
i'm following vinod's instructions and it seems that i've skipped a step
20:01:50 [rbm]
talli: Well, no, you'll just have to chown the PG directories to the PG user.
20:02:28 [talli]
how can i uninstall PG tehn?
20:02:36 [talli]
i would like to follow the directions to make things easier
20:03:17 [talli]
got it
20:03:22 [talli]
make uninstall? ;)
20:08:20 [rbm]
to uninstall? Just rm -rf /usr/lib/pgsql
20:08:32 [rbm]
I mean /usr/local/pgsql
20:09:03 [talli]
make uninstall worked nicely as well, thanks
20:09:16 [talli]
i'm having trouble adding the postgres user, though
20:09:25 [talli]
i've managed to do it, though
20:09:34 [talli]
a bit different than vinod's instructions
20:09:38 [talli]
i will comment the items
20:10:43 [talli]
when trying to specify a users shell, is bash an ok specification? is there another term that is to be used?
20:11:39 [talli]
ah
20:11:47 [talli]
i wills top asking dumb questions now
20:11:48 [talli]
sorry
20:18:11 [rbm]
No such thing as a stupid question
20:18:16 [rbm]
paje: am I right?
20:18:16 [paje]
no idea, rbm
20:18:20 [rbm]
paje: good boy
20:18:20 [paje]
:)
20:18:31 [talli]
ok, so how do i set the default path of bash?
20:18:47 [talli]
i'm having issues getting PG's path to recognize usr/local/pgsql/lib
20:18:51 [talli]
at least when echo'd
20:19:40 [rbm]
talli: You can do it on his ~/.bashrc
20:19:45 [talli]
ah, cool
20:19:59 [talli]
so not in .bash_profile?
20:20:00 [rbm]
or ~/.bash_profile (bash_profile should be sourcing bashrc)
20:20:34 [talli]
ah, ok
20:20:37 [talli]
i'm havin' issues
20:21:54 [talli]
i'll bbs
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20:42:03 [rbm]
I think I foobar'd my oacs install
21:07:49 [lilo]
[GlobalNotice] If you haven't had a chance, please take a look at http://somegeek.org/status.html (June 14). The site may be overloaded at first but please give it a try. Thanks.
23:00:58 [rbm]
man, oacs takes a long time to start on my machine
23:05:57 [mbr]
Don't worry
23:06:03 [mbr]
Soon...it will work
23:06:07 [mbr]
much much faster
23:13:20 [rbm]
(:
23:16:51 [mbr]
Roberto, are there any camera stores by you?
23:17:20 [rbm]
specialized ones? Just one or two.
23:17:30 [mbr]
Can you do me a favor sometime?
23:17:34 [rbm]
sure
23:18:40 [mbr]
Go into them and see if they sell used camera filters
23:19:05 [mbr]
and if they do...see if they have any infrared filters
23:21:35 [mbr]
there's a little chart of them
23:26:39 [rbm]
ok
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