00:13:26 <rbm> set PATH=\foo\bar
00:13:56 <davb> ok. i though so :)
00:14:04 <davb> thanks
00:14:30 <rbm> np
00:15:45 <mbr> paje where's my date with Paula Abdul?
00:15:46 <paje> no idea, mbr
00:15:51 <mbr> you're useless
00:16:23 <rbm> Description: Emacs emulation for Vim
00:16:23 <rbm>  Vimacs (_V_im-_i_mproved E_macs_) is a Vim plugin, which brings Emasc
00:16:23 <rbm>  extensive keybindings and modeless editing features to the the Vim
00:16:24 <rbm>  world, while completely retaining Vim's powerful moded editing style.
00:19:24 <davb> http://www.guitargames.com/
00:19:24 <oacs-chump> A: http://www.guitargames.com/ from davb
00:25:58 <markd2> that's where the register links, and the recent quickie/miniblog entries go?
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02:07:30 <davb> bye
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03:17:00 <lilo> [GlobalNotice] Hi all.  Lost one of the newer rotation servers.  Splits don't show the real server btw. Investigating.
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03:22:26 <rbm> anyone home?
03:23:56 <rbm> lethedrinker: you home?
04:54:09 <denshi> rbm?
04:54:09 <paje> rbm is probably a CS messiah who will crush all the EJB posers and their kindred and lead us all to a new era of coder enlightenment.
08:49:59 <auffers> hi everyone
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11:43:22 <davb> hi there
11:45:10 <Spork> Spork (~root@bosco.eng.cv.net) has joined #openacs
11:45:13 <Spork> morning
11:45:35 <davb> uh spork...
11:45:36 <paje> spork is the king of newegg and the oracle of digital photography and consumer electronics
11:45:47 <Spork> :)
11:45:57 <davb> nice host name
11:46:16 <Spork> spork is also | a fork/spoon clone from Taco Bell
11:46:16 <paje> okay, Spork.
11:46:20 <Spork> what hostname?
11:46:24 <Spork> wait
11:46:25 <Spork> brb...
11:46:26 <davb> bosco
11:46:28 <Spork> I shouldn't be root
11:46:33 <Spork> Spork has quit (Client Quit)
11:46:37 <davb> no, you should not.
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11:49:55 <Spork> backus!
11:50:01 <Spork> spork?
11:50:01 <paje> i guess spork is a fork/spoon clone from Taco Bell
11:50:08 <Spork> hehehehe
11:50:40 <davb> much better
11:50:49 <Spork> yep
11:50:53 <Spork> Root on IRC is bad
11:51:35 <Spork> Who's bosco anyway?
11:51:40 <Spork> or what...
11:51:52 <Spork> The hostname came with the IP :)
11:57:30 <davb> didn't you watch seinfeld?
12:01:05 <davb> more and more every day, we find out that the consultants we hired to build our access database had absolutely no clue what they were doing.
12:01:30 <davb> in fact, i learned more than they knew just by reading the help files.
12:05:06 <davb> http://googlebar.mozdev.org/index.html
12:05:06 <oacs-chump> B: http://googlebar.mozdev.org/index.html from davb
12:05:12 <davb> B:|Googlebar for Mozilla
12:05:13 <oacs-chump> titled item B
12:05:27 <davb> B: a mozdev project, not affiliated with Google.com
12:05:27 <oacs-chump> added comment B1
12:10:31 <Spork> hmmm
12:10:40 <Spork> Bosco does sound familiar now that you bring up seinfeld
12:10:45 <Spork> can't put my finger on it yet
12:11:43 <davb> it was george's pin number
12:11:51 <Spork> oh
12:11:53 <Spork> hehehe
12:12:26 <Spork> Anyhoo
12:12:39 <Spork> I'll be in and about stopping in to steal paje's botsmack
12:12:46 <Spork> * Spork goes to lab
12:21:52 <davb> wow!
12:21:54 <davb> this is cool
12:21:57 <davb> http://www.romanvenable.net/index/2002/06/2002/06/12
12:21:57 <oacs-chump> C: http://www.romanvenable.net/index/2002/06/2002/06/12 from davb
12:22:19 <davb> C:|Content Management Just Got a Whole Lot Simpler
12:22:19 <oacs-chump> titled item C
12:22:29 <davb> C: using Radio Userland, and Conversant
12:22:29 <oacs-chump> added comment C1
12:23:02 <davb> I think I said this before, conversant is a tool to watch for ideas to implement in OpenACS systems.
12:55:16 <Spork> heh
12:55:19 <Spork> that was easy
12:56:56 <davb> cool
12:57:49 <Spork> The bank gave me 1000$ more credit line by me clicking 2 buttons
13:00:46 <davb> that can be good, or bad
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13:01:49 <bduell> hello all.
13:03:47 <davb> hi
13:05:17 <Spork> It can be bad if someone steals my credit card
13:05:32 <Spork> but my biggest statement was like 700$
13:05:44 <Spork> And I check my charges religiously
13:09:15 <Spork> paje, how are the arrangements for my date with Paula Abdul coming along?
13:09:15 <paje> spork: i haven't a clue
13:19:52 <denshi> 'morning
13:19:58 <denshi> moo, paje
13:19:58 <paje> moo denshi, glad to see you back!
13:20:04 <rbm> moo
13:20:14 <rbm> moo pake
13:20:15 <rbm> moo paje
13:20:18 <rbm> paje: moo
13:20:18 <paje> moo rbm, glad to see you back!
13:20:23 <rbm> thanks paje
13:20:45 <mbr> mew?
13:22:43 <rbm> hey mbr
13:23:01 <Spork> Spork is now known as bmr
13:23:05 <bmr> hey rbm 
13:27:48 <davb> hi, denshi, rbm
13:28:41 <bmr> * bmr bites davb 
13:29:01 <bmr> dave..you should be rmb
13:29:39 <rbm> Cool. It looks like PG 7.3 will have both replication and point-in-time recovery
13:32:48 <denshi> how about nested transactions?
13:32:56 <bmr> Nasty transactions?
13:33:02 <bmr> As in like...sex with a hooker for money?
13:34:39 <denshi> I think that was deprecated in SQL88
13:35:07 <bmr> Oh
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13:38:05 <rbm> denshi: I don't know.
13:38:10 <bmr> paje, again!
13:38:10 <paje> * paje spanks talli
13:38:19 <talli> hey
13:38:22 <denshi> yo
13:38:22 <davb> hey talli
13:38:30 <bmr> oh crap...he's here
13:38:36 <bmr> paje, run!run for your dear life!
13:38:36 <paje> bmr: what?
13:39:02 <rbm> We may also get error codes instead of just messages and the location of syntax errors will be show in queries
13:39:03 <bmr> paje, run!
13:39:03 <paje> * paje runs for his dear life
13:39:19 <davb> woohoo!!
13:39:52 <davb> rbm where are you getting this information?
13:40:40 <rbm> http://developer.postgresql.org/todo.php
13:40:41 <oacs-chump> D: http://developer.postgresql.org/todo.php from rbm
13:40:48 <rbm> D:|PostgreSQL TODO
13:40:49 <oacs-chump> titled item D
13:43:08 <rbm> hehehe. Look at this: "* SQL*Net listener that makes PostgreSQL appear as an Oracle database to clients
13:44:01 <rbm> Uh oh. "*  Experiment with multi-threaded backend"
13:46:07 <rbm> Looks like somebody already made PostgreSQL multithreaded, so the PG sources must be in pretty good shape.
13:47:34 <rbm> 20 clients, 900 inserts per client, 1 insert per transaction, 4 different
13:47:34 <rbm> tables.
13:47:34 <rbm> 7.0.2    About    10:52 average completion
13:47:34 <rbm> multi-threaded    2:42 average completion
13:47:34 <rbm> 7.1beta3          1:13 average completion
13:47:58 <rbm> Wow, 7.1 is _a lot_ faster than 7.0 for inserts.
13:47:58 <bmr> it's a sad sad moment in Digicam history
13:50:03 <rbm> bmr: why?
13:50:43 <bmr> Olympus C-2100 Ultra Zoom is no more
13:51:13 <denshi> wtf?  when did threaded postmaster show up?
13:51:52 <rbm> http://candle.pha.pa.us/cgi-bin/pgtodo?thread
13:51:52 <oacs-chump> E: http://candle.pha.pa.us/cgi-bin/pgtodo?thread from rbm
13:52:01 <rbm> E:|Threaded PostgreSQL
13:52:01 <oacs-chump> titled item E
13:52:38 <rbm> denshi: I think what they're going to do is instead of making the postmaster threaded, give postmaster a connection-pooling mechanism.
13:53:34 <denshi> actually, Momjian was talking up a threaded postmaster written on the APR to improve win32 performance
13:54:05 <rbm> That'd be nice for windows users.
13:54:21 <rbm> The japanese guys will probably do it.
13:54:26 <denshi> oh man, that guy is writing it with Corba
13:54:43 <rbm> denshi: I think that was just an experiment.
13:55:00 <rbm> the pgsql-hackers list is so nice. I wish I had time to read it.
13:55:27 <denshi> I wish I had the vocab to read it
13:55:41 <rbm> :-) no kidding
13:56:04 <denshi> I read the ll1 mailing list for language design
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14:01:17 <rbm> paje: attack!
14:01:17 <paje> * paje bites Mark's ankle
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14:10:45 <markd2> my poor ankles
14:11:48 <bmr> paje, it's happening again!
14:11:48 <paje> bmr: sorry...
14:11:55 <bmr> paje, it is happening again!
14:11:56 <paje> ...but it is <reply>...
14:12:04 <bmr> * bmr thwaps paje 
14:13:16 <markd2> heh
14:16:12 <bmr> paje forget it's happening again
14:16:12 <paje> bmr, I didn't have anything matching it's happening again
14:16:17 <bmr> paje forget it is happening again
14:16:17 <paje> bmr: I forgot it is happening again
14:16:46 <bmr> paje it is happening again is <reply> starts weeping
14:16:46 <paje> ...but it is <reply>...
14:16:53 <bmr> * bmr kills paje
14:21:21 <markd2> so what's the story behind "bmr"?
14:22:30 <bmr> well, I used mbr already
14:22:54 <bmr> I chose a random permutation that was available
14:24:46 <markd2> got tired of *phylax?
14:24:56 <bmr> nope
14:25:04 <bmr> bmr is now known as markd2phylax
14:25:16 <markd2phylax> hehehe
14:25:18 <markd2phylax> mark keeper
14:25:20 <markd2phylax> :)
14:25:31 <markd2> heh
14:26:53 <davb> argh
14:27:02 <markd2phylax> ?
14:27:04 <markd2phylax> Dave
14:27:09 <markd2phylax> no more 2100UZ :(
14:27:31 <markd2> * markd2 hands markd2phylax some MD20/20
14:27:44 <davb> oh well.
14:27:59 <davb> they have a new model that has 7x zoom.
14:28:07 <markd2phylax> 8x
14:28:28 <markd2phylax> the 720...but no Image stabilization or AF Assist light or internal/external microphone
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14:47:46 <davb> wow cool. wvware displays word documents as text.
14:48:30 <markd2phylax> :-D
14:49:08 <davb> some guy with way more experience than me spammed me with his resume.
14:52:05 <markd2> sounds like a candidate for the automatic spam remover
14:54:22 <davb> I just think its funny
15:21:08 <davb> what is the trick to get rid of DOS line endings?
15:21:19 <rbm> dos2unix foo.txt
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16:19:31 <davb> http://www.iproject.com/index.html?mgiToken=CDA00E163A1DC105A1
16:19:31 <oacs-chump> F: http://www.iproject.com/index.html?mgiToken=CDA00E163A1DC105A1 from davb
16:19:37 <davb> F:|Iproject Online
16:19:37 <oacs-chump> titled item F
16:19:53 <davb> F: neat toys including puzzles of MC Escher's lizards
16:19:53 <oacs-chump> added comment F1
16:25:20 <denshi> ooom
16:26:42 <markd2> wonder if they have that 10,000 piece Hironymous Bosch puzzle....
16:26:51 <denshi> ???
16:27:01 <denshi> sounds like an HP Lovecraft puzzle
16:27:09 <markd2> pretty much
16:27:14 <markd2> I saw it in a store in Boston
16:27:25 <markd2> positively huge.  But I like Bosh, so I almost got it
16:27:29 <markd2> at leat til I saw the $150 price tag
16:27:37 <davb> wow
16:28:34 <markd2> http://www.mystery-games.com/hierbosgarof.html
16:28:34 <oacs-chump> G: http://www.mystery-games.com/hierbosgarof.html from markd2
16:29:10 <denshi> paje, find rbm
16:29:10 <paje> denshi: huh?
16:29:15 <denshi> rbm?
16:29:15 <paje> it has been said that rbm is a CS messiah who will crush all the EJB posers and their kindred and lead us all to a new era of coder enlightenment.
16:29:22 <markd2> G:| 10,000 piece jigsaw puzzle
16:29:22 <oacs-chump> titled item G
16:29:34 <markd2> * markd2 bows down and worships
16:34:50 <rbm> denshi: hi
16:34:50 <paje> hey, rbm
16:35:15 <denshi> rbm, have you taken over authorship on "ACS 4.0 Permissions Tediously Explained"?
16:35:43 <rbm> denshi: Hmm, no. I'm simply "porting" it to Docbook. I'm halfway through
16:35:56 <denshi> * denshi mocks Docbook
16:36:08 <rbm> denshi: why?
16:36:21 <denshi> * denshi mocks giant well-structured wastes of time
16:37:47 <denshi> * denshi mocks weak coffee
16:38:13 <denshi> * denshi is obliterated in a fit of auto-mocking
16:40:01 <davb> argh
16:40:24 <davb> cvs is saying a file is missing, and it quits my update. is there a way to tell it to ignore that file, and check out everything else?
16:40:39 <davb> or does it do that anyway?
16:42:18 <rbm> * rbm shakes denshi in an attempt to get him out of the transe
16:42:45 <rbm> davb: what update command are you running?
16:43:05 <davb> update
16:43:08 <davb> :)
16:43:14 <davb> nothing special
16:43:30 <davb> it looks like everything else is there.
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16:45:42 <markd2> alltel?
16:45:42 <paje> alltel are a bunch of wankers
16:50:38 <markd2phylax> cablevision?
16:50:39 <paje> cablevision is almost a bunch of wankers but they managed their ISP pretty well
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16:52:04 <markd2> they're my ISP
16:52:09 <markd2> er, I"S"P
16:55:13 <markd2phylax> w
16:55:25 <markd2phylax> alltell?
16:56:25 <rbm> davb: is this the 4.5 or devel branch?
16:56:42 <davb> its not openacs at all.
16:56:43 <davb> :)
16:56:46 <rbm> davb: I usually do cvs update -PAd
16:56:49 <davb> just a general cvs qustion.
16:56:52 <davb> ok.
16:56:59 <rbm> That adds missing files/dir and purges deleted ones
16:57:25 <rbm> but if it's tagged in some way, be careful.
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17:07:15 <davb> ok, thanks
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17:44:47 <markd2> heh
17:45:39 <rbm> France arrived at the world cup mockering Brazil and everybody else. 
17:45:52 <rbm> They left not scoring _one_ single goal in their three games.
17:47:03 <markd2> heh
17:49:00 <davb> hey there is a #worldcup, noone in it though
17:49:56 <denshi> http://suck.com/daily/99/12/13/
17:49:56 <oacs-chump> H: http://suck.com/daily/99/12/13/ from denshi
17:52:30 <denshi> oops
17:52:40 <denshi> davb, how do I nuke a link from chump?
17:52:54 <davb> i think it is not possible.
17:53:00 <davb> but i can :)
17:53:53 <davb> there,
17:54:03 <davb> its not in the xml file, but I think it stays in the memory until tomorrow.
18:12:27 <lilo> [GlobalNotice] Hi all.  If you haven't had a chance, please take a look at http://somegeek.org/status.html (11 June).  The site will be pretty overloaded but do take a look.  Thanks.
18:22:34 <davb> denshi: that paper was very interesting. now I want to learn even more stuff!
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18:23:41 <denshi> davb: which paper?
18:23:59 <davb> the one about studying programming lanaguages\
18:24:06 <denshi> Friedman's talk you posted yesterday?
18:24:13 <davb> yes.
18:24:14 <davb> that one.
18:24:28 <davb> hey, according to the SICP web site, a local college is using it for a course.
18:24:57 <rbm> there you go
18:25:02 <denshi> cool
18:25:19 <denshi> email the prof and see if you can audit it or something
18:25:36 <davb> hey, i never thought of that.
18:26:46 <davb> argh, they are so behind. no real course web sites.
18:27:04 <davb> professors don't have web pages either.
18:27:51 <davb> big meeting, bbiab
18:28:54 <davb> i can't figure out which course uses it. darn.
18:28:57 <davb> ok, really leaving
18:55:15 <davb> I'm guessing its this one:
18:55:22 <davb> A Csi 201N Introduction to Computer Science (4)
18:55:29 <davb> Computer algorithms and their representation. The principle of information hiding and its relation to program block structure. File structure and access methods. The efficient use of computational resources. Program development and style.
19:01:08 <davb> nope, that is C++. i don't think they really use SICP
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19:27:20 <davb> bye
19:27:22 <davb> blbl
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20:23:08 <mbr> woo
20:23:11 <mbr> I got Wine working
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20:36:29 <denshi> anyone remember a 'Matthew Burke' in ACS land?
20:37:03 <talli> sounds familiar
20:37:11 <talli> denshi: you know how cdrecord works?
20:37:20 <denshi> used to to.  shoot.
20:37:22 <talli> is it notoriously slow, or does it simply have to be configured?
20:37:39 <denshi> someone help me out here
20:37:50 <denshi> I don't remember it being notoriously slow
20:37:59 <talli> i have a 50x reader and 12x burner
20:38:04 <talli> it's taking a while to copy a cd
20:38:06 <talli> really it shouldn't
20:38:29 <talli> perhaps the issue is that i'm copying the cd from one to the other
20:38:39 <talli> can cdrecord do that well? is that a slow process no matter the oS?
20:39:07 <denshi> I haven't tried that with cdrecord, and no, it shouldn't be a slow process no matter what
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20:41:58 <talli> and if i can add to that question, anyone ever have cdbakeoven or xcdroast crash their box?
20:45:45 <denshi> nope
20:46:10 <denshi> I found who Burke is; he was on ACSJ
20:49:26 <davb> talli: nope.
20:49:33 <davb> i always make an image with cdrecord. 
20:49:42 <davb> how are you copying from cd to cd with that?
20:49:44 <talli> must be debian's fault ;)
20:49:57 <davb> did you specify the write speed to cdrecord?
20:50:46 <talli> perhaps that was teh prob
20:50:51 <talli> i set it again
20:51:07 <davb> speed=x i believe is the directive
20:51:18 <talli> well, i'm using cdbakeoven
20:51:25 <talli> not the command line
20:51:30 <talli> cdbakeoven is a GUI frontend
20:51:51 <talli> but the current issue seems to be with the reading of the cds
20:51:57 <talli> of the source cd, that is
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22:26:19 <talli> paje, seen rbm ?
22:26:20 <paje> rbm was last seen on #openacs 4 hours, 1 minutes and 22 seconds ago, saying: there you go [Thu Jun 13 13:25:18 2002]
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23:17:01 <lilo> [GlobalNotice] Hi all.  Apologies for the hubbing problems.  It appears we still need new main hubbing.  Requirements for a main hub:  T3 or better, multihomed, 40K bits per second average traffic, extremely stable routing.  If you think you can provide a server, please take a look at http://openprojects.net/sponsoring_servers.shtml and email lilo@openprojects.net.  Thanks.
23:19:01 <lilo> [GlobalNotice] (Note:  Hub IPs on OPN are not public.)