00:06:44 Psychephylax!!! 00:18:32 paje (~paje@slxwy.dorms.usu.edu) has joined #openacs 00:24:00 oh. I guess we'll have to convict now 00:29:45 :) 00:29:54 paje!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 00:29:54 paje is, like, the medicine man and oracle in Amazonian tribes 00:30:05 paje!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 00:30:05 i heard i was a silly bot 00:30:07 paje!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 00:30:07 rumour has it i am a silly bot 00:30:32 markd2 (~Snak@h166-102-030-106.ip.alltel.net) has joined #Openacs 00:30:52 Hey psyche, denshi, markd2. What's up? 00:31:45 The road is hell is paved with unbought stuffed dogs. 00:32:06 s/^is/to/ ? 00:32:33 benadida (~benadida@66-108-98-245.nyc.rr.com) has joined #openacs 00:32:42 rbm: thx 00:32:55 yo ben 00:32:57 yo 00:33:03 hey ben 00:33:08 hey Roberto 00:33:11 nice of you to join us. 00:33:25 I'm trying to make more time for the chat room :) 00:34:03 sup moo man 00:34:17 benadida: Just hang around. You don't have to actively be looking at the channel. Just come back once in a while and see if we're discussing something interesting and join in. Or start your own discussions. 00:34:31 yo 00:35:27 rbm: will do 00:35:43 I've never been a big IRC user, so consider me a newbie 00:35:50 and if we start talking about goats, or Talli's lack of pants, you can take that as a sign to nod, smile, and back away slowly 00:36:03 :-) 00:36:12 are you kidding, I was just wondering this morning how many lines of code in OpenACS were written by hackers without any pants on 00:36:29 an important problem, I think 00:36:42 and possibly a PR disaster 00:36:42 *shudder* 00:36:53 heheh 00:37:02 paje is also | a Peson Assembled for Judo and Exploration 00:37:02 okay, Psychephylax. 00:37:07 paje? 00:37:07 Psychephylax? 00:37:11 paje! 00:37:16 paje, what are you? 00:37:17 i am probably the medicine man and oracle in Amazonian tribes 00:37:19 paje, what are you? 00:37:19 i am a silly bot 00:37:21 paje, what are you? 00:37:21 somebody said i was a silly bot 00:37:22 paje, what are you? 00:37:22 i heard i was the medicine man and oracle in Amazonian tribes 00:37:24 paje, what are you? 00:37:24 somebody said i was a Peson Assembled for Judo and Exploration 00:37:28 woohooo 00:37:28 paje, who are you? 00:37:28 paje is, like, the medicine man and oracle in Amazonian tribes 00:37:38 oops...spelling mistake 00:37:48 paje, when is the long dark teatime of the soul? 00:37:48 denshi: no idea 00:37:53 mark how do I make him forget only the mistaken part 00:39:11 paje, nslookup goatse.cx 00:39:15 what's a peson? 00:39:16 goatse.cx is 209.242.124.241 00:39:31 wow. paje is a tough bot. that always kills bender. 00:39:35 paje, nslookup oralse.cx 00:39:36 oralse.cx is 216.40.211.163 00:39:36 what is it with goatse.cx that docwolf asks paje to tell us its IP everyday? 00:40:16 paje, should I be scared? 00:40:16 i don't know, benadida 00:40:16 i just want to test paje's strength. it's like a rite of passage for bots today. 00:40:26 lol 00:40:30 bender still cannot handle it without segfaulting 00:40:54 analse.cx is amsuing, the same way goatse.cx is, but different 00:40:56 paje, how old is paula abdul? 00:40:56 i don't know, psychephylax 00:41:06 benadida: paje is our trusty bot. he's cool. 00:41:38 damn it...doesn't anyone know how old Paula Abdul is? 00:41:44 37? 00:41:49 42? 00:41:57 37 + 42? 00:41:57 79 00:42:01 paje: botsnack 00:42:01 thanks rbm :) 00:42:19 Damn it 00:42:22 You're not helping 00:42:28 rbm: yeah, I figured as much, it doesn't make this stuff any less scary :) 00:42:46 benadida: So what's up in the .lrn front? 00:42:55 2002 - 1963 00:42:55 39 00:42:59 wooo... 00:43:06 benadida: I'm writing a Paypal service contract and implementation for the e-commerce package. 00:43:07 paje, 39 - 22 00:43:07 17 00:43:10 hmmm 00:43:16 * rbm twacks Psychephylax 00:43:25 rbm: that's cool about paypal. 00:43:27 * Psychephylax bites rbm 00:43:40 Psychephylax: HA! I'm wearing my steel boots 00:43:47 Psychephylax is now known as mbr 00:43:48 rbm: as for dotLRN, we're continuing to work on putting everything out there in the open, after all of you justifiably slapped us upside the head 00:43:49 :) 00:44:19 our next step is to write more docs in a form that we can put out there and get people to understand dotLRN and extend it to their liking 00:44:44 The Berklee folks are going to jump in and do some serious PG porting. 00:44:45 damn 00:44:50 and that's about the news for now :) 00:44:51 for 39 Paula Abdul looks stunning 00:44:57 paje, get me a date with her! 00:44:57 mbr: what? 00:45:07 benadida: That's great! 00:45:12 paje, you're useless 00:45:12 mbr: sorry... 00:45:14 Paul Abdul isn't bad but she was better back in her "cold-hearted snake" days 00:45:33 paje, I love you anyways 00:45:33 benadida: huh? 00:45:33 Was it those days I wasn't born in yet? 00:45:34 PG porting to what? 00:45:35 win32? 00:45:44 denshi: porting .lrn to PG 00:45:51 paje, ignore mbr 00:45:51 denshi: sorry... 00:46:16 right, the Berklee folks are going to be the first user of dotLRN on PG, they have a very accelerated schedule, so they've taken on the full time porting/adjustment of the core PG data model 00:46:34 benadida: Excellent! 00:46:38 we're helping out and we're going to make sure all the packages we recommend are also happy on PG, because, heck, *we* want to use it on PG 00:47:14 docwolf has left #openacs 00:47:26 benadida: Yeah. I'm sure many people would rather use it on PG. 00:48:18 the berklee folks are a consulting firm or the music college? 00:48:58 lethedrinker: the music college 00:49:35 interesting. 00:51:27 they are doing some heavy OpenACS work. 00:52:16 http://www.dartmouth.edu/~news/releases/june02/rogers.shtml 00:52:16 A: http://www.dartmouth.edu/~news/releases/june02/rogers.shtml from markd2 00:52:26 A:| Mister Rogers' Dartmouth comencement speech 00:52:26 titled item A 00:52:28 paje, have you made arrangements for my date with Paula? 00:52:28 no idea, mbr 00:52:35 A: Mister Rogers rules (tm) 00:52:35 added comment A1 00:52:41 markd2: who's him? 00:52:57 Mister Rogers is a long-time children's show host 00:53:29 he's the leader of the crypto-sweater-industrial complex 00:53:35 heh 00:53:40 Won't you be my.. "neighbor" ? 00:54:16 http://www.jwz.org/gruntle/rogers.html 00:54:16 B: http://www.jwz.org/gruntle/rogers.html from denshi 00:54:25 B: completely unverifiable. 00:54:25 added comment B1 00:54:29 B: but funny 00:54:29 added comment B2 00:55:51 I wouldn't be surprised about his son 00:56:03 Mister Rogers is a methodist minister, and PKs tend to be wild 00:57:13 in a certain sense, being Mister Rogers has to be hella cool 00:57:33 "who's mr. Rogers? that's right, baby, I am." 01:00:31 * mbr goes to bed 01:00:34 nite nite :) 01:00:47 I think mbr ordered that incorrectly 01:01:13 hmm? 01:02:02 vinod (~vinod@208-59-181-165.s1181.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com) has joined #openacs 01:02:17 vinoooodle! 01:02:31 haha 01:02:31 hey markd2! 01:02:51 limphvinod! 01:03:07 oh no, he's lymphing again 01:03:17 you'd think he'd be able to go see a doctor or something 01:03:34 doctors shmoctors 01:04:07 i don't trust em 01:04:12 vinod is a cyborg 01:04:19 docwolf (~wolf@adsl-34-58-117.mia.bellsouth.net) has joined #openacs 01:04:20 doctors can't help him 01:04:33 speaking of non-trustworthy doctors 01:04:41 Hi, Everybody! 01:05:00 Remember, no matter what happens, let's not get the law involved! one hand washes the other.. oh, that reminds me.... 01:05:07 lol 01:05:29 * rbm goes to shower 01:05:41 one hand washes the other rbm? 01:05:42 * markd2 suddenly feels unclean 01:05:52 suddenly? 01:05:57 * denshi takes his hands out of this group 01:06:36 denshi: the other hand and also the rest of the body 01:09:09 so markd2, how was the TA'ing? did the students treat you well? 01:09:49 actually yeah 01:09:52 well... he feels unclean now, so draw your own conclusions 01:09:55 even after I brought a bad stomach bug with me 01:10:02 I just don't feel "fresh" 01:10:06 ahh - it's all coming together now :-) 01:10:26 i didn't realize docwolf's energy drinks had made it that far north yet 01:10:32 We had fun. The material is a blast 01:10:40 well, rzolf was in the class 01:10:48 so the transitivity principle probably had something to do with it 01:10:53 haha 01:12:09 cool - i was just unpacking my books yesterday and came up with all my old mac-programming books and mags. things have changed a lot since then 01:18:12 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-82.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 01:18:29 speaking of docwolf energy drinks, when are they going to make it west to austin? 01:18:35 hi 01:18:38 moo, davb 01:18:40 * davb triumphantly returns 01:18:45 i'm not sure if they are legal in texas. 01:18:55 * vinod hails the return of davb 01:18:57 they're legal? 01:19:03 davb has changed the topic to: OpenACS: Free Web Toolkit: http://openacs.org 01:19:05 news to me... 01:19:09 legal, or lethal? 01:19:09 hi vinod. in NYC? 01:19:10 well, they're legal here because florida has no laws 01:19:18 docwolf: everything is legal in texas 01:19:23 ah, so that's why you set up shop there 01:19:30 davb: except for being liberal 01:19:39 florida is an extension of the third world. 01:19:49 denshi: ah, good point 01:20:11 did i miss anything today? 01:20:12 davb: no - drove back to boston this evenin, cuz months back, i was an idiot and bought a flight from bos-phoenix instead of nyc-phoenix :-) 01:20:20 oops 01:20:45 d'oh 01:20:51 what's the printf letter for printing a char *? 01:20:52 i was actually in brooklyn today. next time I am going to entend my trip. 01:20:58 cool! 01:20:59 %s 01:21:02 thx 01:21:16 definitely - i got a futon now, so you're all welcome in nyc :-) 01:21:23 cool thanks. 01:22:14 this must be an enormous futon 01:22:28 I call the end with the jacuzzi 01:22:42 haha 01:22:44 one at a time 01:22:54 there'll be no hand-washing-hand in my apt! 01:23:01 and that'll be the last thing I think about as I go to sleep. 01:23:05 * markd2 awaits the nightmares 01:23:05 * denshi falls out of his chair 01:23:08 markd2 has quit ("ZZZzzz.....") 01:26:51 http://christpuncher.jerkcity.com/jerkcity1122.html 01:26:51 C: http://christpuncher.jerkcity.com/jerkcity1122.html from denshi 01:31:04 bbl 01:31:45 dinner time talk to you guys later! 01:31:48 benadida has left #openacs 01:36:05 talli (~talli@pool-162-83-234-57.ny5030.east.verizon.net) has joined #openacs 01:36:11 talli has quit (Client Quit) 01:36:36 talli (~talli@pool-162-83-234-57.ny5030.east.verizon.net) has joined #openacs 01:36:39 hey guys 01:36:46 hey talli! 01:36:54 is anyone aware of a hardware detecting tool like kudzu for debian? 01:36:55 hi talli 01:37:16 uh nope. 01:37:42 sorry, no 01:39:24 wait - http://packages.debian.org/kudzu 01:39:31 holy 01:39:31 nice 01:41:22 heh 01:41:27 that is cool. 01:53:09 talli has quit ("Client Exiting") 02:03:48 g'nite 02:36:29 hmm, talli should look into detect on Debian 04:24:01 vinod has quit ("changing universes") 05:38:23 hazmat (~ender@adsl-66-123-57-58.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #openacs 05:56:31 docwolf has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:26:14 YEAHHH!!!!1111!!!! 07:26:16 Argentina is going HOME! 07:31:32 k2pts (~nkd@adsl-165-116.cytanet.com.cy) has joined #openacs 07:31:40 paje: seen rbm? 07:31:40 rbm was last seen on #openacs 5 minutes and 24 seconds ago, saying: Argentina is going HOME! [Wed Jun 12 02:26:42 2002] 07:31:47 hey rbm 07:36:12 k2pts has left #openacs 07:40:30 jim (~jim@adsl-64-171-52-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) has joined #openacs 07:41:13 just a quick line to let people know I'm around but lacking a connection... 07:41:21 jim has quit (Client Quit) 10:10:55 http://interactiveu.berkeley.edu:8000/PatD/stories/storyReader$248 10:10:56 D: http://interactiveu.berkeley.edu:8000/PatD/stories/storyReader$248 from davb 10:11:08 D:|Find It, Read It, Write It 10:11:09 titled item D 10:11:35 D: an interesting project involving, librarians, teachers, students, the internet, and weblogs 10:11:36 added comment D1 10:12:42 D: where is OpenACS?? :) we need to get moving on projects like this. With OpenFTS and the database behind the whole thing, there is alot of power to search, and aggregate the data in these kind of projects 10:12:42 added comment D2 10:52:37 bbl 10:52:39 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 12:08:05 davb (~chatzilla@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-204.biz.rr.com) has joined #openacs 12:08:11 hi there 13:31:35 ooom 13:58:59 cro (~cro@defiant.nca.asu.edu) has joined #openacs 13:59:05 good morning 14:08:30 what's new, cro? 14:09:40 not much, gotta take a couple days off. 14:20:38 bduell (~bduell@gowron.nca.asu.edu) has joined #openacs 14:22:35 pascal (~pascal@facb-167-233.pc.fgg.eur.nl) has joined #openacs 14:22:40 hiya 14:22:58 hi pascal and bduell 14:23:09 Howdy! 14:23:18 Can anyone tell me why a package we developed would give the following while being executed.... 14:23:27 Notice: RP (419.073 ms): error in rp_handler: serving POST /group-data/ 14:23:34 errmsg is can't read "rest": no such variable 14:24:36 i need a little more context. where is the variable $rest referred to? 14:24:57 probably because 'rest' is only set in a if {} {} branch that does not always get executed. 14:25:17 I believe rest is a variable being used by the rp_handler loading procedures for packages. 14:25:24 ah. 14:25:59 All procedures show in the api-doc, the package shows correctly in the site-map, and the package shows that it is installed and enabled. 14:42:50 pascal has quit ("Client Exiting") 14:44:42 what is happeniing when you get this error message? 14:47:45 I just get a request error in the browser and the above messages in the server.log 14:50:32 ok. what are you doing when this happens? submitting a form or some sort? what did you expect to happen instead? 14:52:24 there's a form in the index page that loads correctly, but it initially just pulls the group names and associated id's. when the form is posted, however, is when the page makes a call to a procedure loaded with the group-data package, which is supposed to make some checks against the group selected. I'm thinking that the procedure is somehow not being loaded correctly by the bootstrapper, but it shows correctly in the api-doc. 14:53:47 I think if it shows correctly in api-doc it is loaded. 14:53:55 is group-data a core package? 14:54:01 no it isn't. 14:54:09 ok. 14:55:13 look back a little farther in the error log, in both directions. it should show the exact tcl command that caused the error. it should give the line number of the statement. it might be a line number in a tcl page, or a line number of a proc the error occured in. 15:04:20 ooom 15:05:55 hi rbm 15:08:41 hi davb 15:08:50 crap, I missed neophytos for 5 minutes last night 15:09:08 rather, this morning (the Argentina game ended at 2 AM MST) 15:14:19 so where does that place them? 15:15:39 cool, someone is patching ns_xml already. 15:16:38 denshi: Sweden or Argentina? 15:16:49 rbm: assume I know nothing 15:18:08 Sweden and Argentina were playing for a place in the eigth-finals. Sweden had th advantage and was playing for a tie. Argentina had to win. 15:19:18 Argentina was on the offense the entire game, many many times (Sweden's best player was its goalkeeper). However they were pretty dumb because they kept throwing high balls in the goal area and the Swedish are way taller than the Argentineans, so they never could score. 15:19:46 At the end of the first half, Sweden scored a goal in a great goal from far from the goal, after a foul. 15:20:12 Argentina was able to score in the midst of the second half, in a penalty 15:20:41 Sweden hung in there for the last 25 minutes of the game, which were very very intense. 15:21:27 So Sweden and England are the two teams from that group going to the eigth finals. Argentina and Nigeria are going home. 15:21:52 The game was awesome though. 15:22:24 markd2 (~markd2@h166-102-041-070.ip.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 15:22:27 Rivalries apart, Argentina deserved to win, if only they had been a little smarter. 15:22:37 Argentina lost _lots_ of goal opportunities. 15:22:41 paje, attack! 15:22:41 * paje bites Mark's ankle 15:22:52 sounds intense 15:23:01 hi markd2 15:23:04 ack! 15:23:12 paje really hates my ankles 15:23:12 markd2: sorry... 15:23:23 paje, botsnack 15:23:23 thanks denshi :) 15:23:27 This world cup is the cup of the upsets. Everybody that is actually good is getting sent home in a strike of bad luck. Everybody who's bad is staying. 15:23:29 http://billstclair.com/blogmax/ 15:23:29 E: http://billstclair.com/blogmax/ from davb 15:23:37 E:|BloxMax: Blogging in Emacs 15:23:37 titled item E 15:23:50 Heck, Brazil is classified for the eigth finals before its third game. What more upset than that? 15:23:59 I looked at cnn.com's ranking page but didn't quite have the terminology to decipher it 15:24:07 but it looks like Ireland is advancing 15:25:41 Yeah, I think Ireland and Germany are the two ones of that group. 15:26:09 do they group them in any traditional fashion, or are the groups randomized? 15:26:37 http://www.eecs.tulane.edu/www/Beuscher/emacs/elisp.html 15:26:37 F: http://www.eecs.tulane.edu/www/Beuscher/emacs/elisp.html from davb 15:26:48 There are 8 groups this year. The members of each group were chosen randomly. 15:26:55 Each group has 4 teams 15:26:56 F:|todo-mode.el 15:26:56 titled item F 15:28:30 ftp://ls6-ftp.cs.uni-dortmund.de/pub/src/emacs/todo-mode.el 15:28:33 oops. 15:28:37 chump doesn' 15:28:40 do ftp 15:28:48 F: more: ftp://ls6-ftp.cs.uni-dortmund.de/pub/src/emacs/todo-mode.el 15:28:48 added comment F1 15:29:04 F: and more http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ToDo 15:29:04 added comment F2 15:36:26 davb: Who's working on ns_xml? 15:37:07 Jeremy Vinding - according to sourceforge messages on the aolserver list 15:43:35 davb: seems that someone move the .tcl procedure from the package/tcl directory directly into the server tcl directory (not good). all works ok now. 15:46:36 auffers (~chatzilla@CPE-144-136-78-177.nsw.bigpond.net.au) has joined #openacs 15:50:24 afropuff 15:56:32 cool 15:56:36 hi auffers 15:56:39 sup davasaurus 15:56:46 hi mbr. 15:57:12 hi davb - hi all 15:57:28 hi auffers 15:57:37 mew! 15:57:39 sorry for entering quietly/rudely - head stuck in code-land... 15:58:05 no problem. we don't have too many rules here. 15:58:33 rules? here? 15:58:37 off the top of their head - anyone know if there is a site-wide way to point oacs to a different sendmail server..? 15:58:54 auffers: your aolserver config file. 15:59:36 exactly 16:00:12 ah - of course. now to go dig up the correct directive... 16:00:16 new junkyard wars episode tonight. 16:00:18 Mailhost 16:00:30 * mbr eats the rules 16:00:43 What rules? 16:01:11 well, just the rule to give *phylax a bunch of money 16:01:14 but since there are no more rules, we'r esafe now 16:01:26 paje attack! 16:01:26 * paje bites Mark's ankle 16:01:30 ns_param Mailhost smtp.nycap.rr.com 16:02:46 paje you're also a | cannibal 16:02:46 mbr: huh? 16:03:10 paje is also | a cannibal 16:03:10 okay, markd2. 16:03:12 hmmm 16:03:13 paje is also a | cannibal 16:03:13 okay, mbr. 16:03:20 paje? 16:03:20 mbr? 16:03:23 IE 6 is un gzipping files I download. 16:03:24 what are you paje 16:03:33 but it doesn't do tar. 16:03:50 dave, you're too far? 16:03:55 Why not move in closer :-D 16:11:09 paje, are you a silly bot? 16:11:09 i haven't a clue, mbr 16:15:35 well 16:15:40 back to the DA's office 16:18:19 still on jury duty? 16:34:57 tks for the mailhost tip all - now to drop and reload my schnarfed users table... 16:35:03 so is anyone else working here?! 16:35:10