IRC log of openacs on 2002-06-12

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00:06:44 [rbm]
Psychephylax!!!
00:18:32 [paje]
paje (~paje@slxwy.dorms.usu.edu) has joined #openacs
00:24:00 [denshi]
oh. I guess we'll have to convict now
00:29:45 [Psychephylax]
:)
00:29:54 [Psychephylax]
paje!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
00:29:54 [paje]
paje is, like, the medicine man and oracle in Amazonian tribes
00:30:05 [Psychephylax]
paje!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
00:30:05 [paje]
i heard i was a silly bot
00:30:07 [Psychephylax]
paje!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
00:30:07 [paje]
rumour has it i am a silly bot
00:30:32 [markd2]
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00:30:52 [rbm]
Hey psyche, denshi, markd2. What's up?
00:31:45 [denshi]
The road is hell is paved with unbought stuffed dogs.
00:32:06 [rbm]
s/^is/to/ ?
00:32:33 [benadida]
benadida (~benadida@66-108-98-245.nyc.rr.com) has joined #openacs
00:32:42 [denshi]
rbm: thx
00:32:55 [denshi]
yo ben
00:32:57 [benadida]
yo
00:33:03 [rbm]
hey ben
00:33:08 [benadida]
hey Roberto
00:33:11 [rbm]
nice of you to join us.
00:33:25 [benadida]
I'm trying to make more time for the chat room :)
00:34:03 [Psychephylax]
sup moo man
00:34:17 [rbm]
benadida: Just hang around. You don't have to actively be looking at the channel. Just come back once in a while and see if we're discussing something interesting and join in. Or start your own discussions.
00:34:31 [markd2]
yo
00:35:27 [benadida]
rbm: will do
00:35:43 [benadida]
I've never been a big IRC user, so consider me a newbie
00:35:50 [markd2]
and if we start talking about goats, or Talli's lack of pants, you can take that as a sign to nod, smile, and back away slowly
00:36:03 [rbm]
:-)
00:36:12 [benadida]
are you kidding, I was just wondering this morning how many lines of code in OpenACS were written by hackers without any pants on
00:36:29 [benadida]
an important problem, I think
00:36:42 [markd2]
and possibly a PR disaster
00:36:42 [docwolf]
*shudder*
00:36:53 [rbm]
heheh
00:37:02 [Psychephylax]
paje is also | a Peson Assembled for Judo and Exploration
00:37:02 [paje]
okay, Psychephylax.
00:37:07 [Psychephylax]
paje?
00:37:07 [paje]
Psychephylax?
00:37:11 [Psychephylax]
paje!
00:37:16 [Psychephylax]
paje, what are you?
00:37:17 [paje]
i am probably the medicine man and oracle in Amazonian tribes
00:37:19 [Psychephylax]
paje, what are you?
00:37:19 [paje]
i am a silly bot
00:37:21 [Psychephylax]
paje, what are you?
00:37:21 [paje]
somebody said i was a silly bot
00:37:22 [Psychephylax]
paje, what are you?
00:37:22 [paje]
i heard i was the medicine man and oracle in Amazonian tribes
00:37:24 [Psychephylax]
paje, what are you?
00:37:24 [paje]
somebody said i was a Peson Assembled for Judo and Exploration
00:37:28 [Psychephylax]
woohooo
00:37:28 [denshi]
paje, who are you?
00:37:28 [paje]
paje is, like, the medicine man and oracle in Amazonian tribes
00:37:38 [Psychephylax]
oops...spelling mistake
00:37:48 [denshi]
paje, when is the long dark teatime of the soul?
00:37:48 [paje]
denshi: no idea
00:37:53 [Psychephylax]
mark how do I make him forget only the mistaken part
00:39:11 [docwolf]
paje, nslookup goatse.cx
00:39:15 [markd2]
what's a peson?
00:39:16 [paje]
goatse.cx is 209.242.124.241
00:39:31 [docwolf]
wow. paje is a tough bot. that always kills bender.
00:39:35 [markd2]
paje, nslookup oralse.cx
00:39:36 [paje]
oralse.cx is 216.40.211.163
00:39:36 [rbm]
what is it with goatse.cx that docwolf asks paje to tell us its IP everyday?
00:40:16 [benadida]
paje, should I be scared?
00:40:16 [paje]
i don't know, benadida
00:40:16 [docwolf]
i just want to test paje's strength. it's like a rite of passage for bots today.
00:40:26 [Psychephylax]
lol
00:40:30 [docwolf]
bender still cannot handle it without segfaulting
00:40:54 [markd2]
analse.cx is amsuing, the same way goatse.cx is, but different
00:40:56 [Psychephylax]
paje, how old is paula abdul?
00:40:56 [paje]
i don't know, psychephylax
00:41:06 [rbm]
benadida: paje is our trusty bot. he's cool.
00:41:38 [Psychephylax]
damn it...doesn't anyone know how old Paula Abdul is?
00:41:44 [docwolf]
37?
00:41:49 [docwolf]
42?
00:41:57 [rbm]
37 + 42?
00:41:57 [paje]
79
00:42:01 [rbm]
paje: botsnack
00:42:01 [paje]
thanks rbm :)
00:42:19 [Psychephylax]
Damn it
00:42:22 [Psychephylax]
You're not helping
00:42:28 [benadida]
rbm: yeah, I figured as much, it doesn't make this stuff any less scary :)
00:42:46 [rbm]
benadida: So what's up in the .lrn front?
00:42:55 [Psychephylax]
2002 - 1963
00:42:55 [paje]
39
00:42:59 [Psychephylax]
wooo...
00:43:06 [rbm]
benadida: I'm writing a Paypal service contract and implementation for the e-commerce package.
00:43:07 [Psychephylax]
paje, 39 - 22
00:43:07 [paje]
17
00:43:10 [Psychephylax]
hmmm
00:43:16 [rbm]
* rbm twacks Psychephylax
00:43:25 [benadida]
rbm: that's cool about paypal.
00:43:27 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax bites rbm
00:43:40 [rbm]
Psychephylax: HA! I'm wearing my steel boots
00:43:47 [Psychephylax]
Psychephylax is now known as mbr
00:43:48 [benadida]
rbm: as for dotLRN, we're continuing to work on putting everything out there in the open, after all of you justifiably slapped us upside the head
00:43:49 [benadida]
:)
00:44:19 [benadida]
our next step is to write more docs in a form that we can put out there and get people to understand dotLRN and extend it to their liking
00:44:44 [benadida]
The Berklee folks are going to jump in and do some serious PG porting.
00:44:45 [mbr]
damn
00:44:50 [benadida]
and that's about the news for now :)
00:44:51 [mbr]
for 39 Paula Abdul looks stunning
00:44:57 [mbr]
paje, get me a date with her!
00:44:57 [paje]
mbr: what?
00:45:07 [rbm]
benadida: That's great!
00:45:12 [mbr]
paje, you're useless
00:45:12 [paje]
mbr: sorry...
00:45:14 [benadida]
Paul Abdul isn't bad but she was better back in her "cold-hearted snake" days
00:45:33 [benadida]
paje, I love you anyways
00:45:33 [paje]
benadida: huh?
00:45:33 [mbr]
Was it those days I wasn't born in yet?
00:45:34 [denshi]
PG porting to what?
00:45:35 [denshi]
win32?
00:45:44 [rbm]
denshi: porting .lrn to PG
00:45:51 [denshi]
paje, ignore mbr
00:45:51 [paje]
denshi: sorry...
00:46:16 [benadida]
right, the Berklee folks are going to be the first user of dotLRN on PG, they have a very accelerated schedule, so they've taken on the full time porting/adjustment of the core PG data model
00:46:34 [rbm]
benadida: Excellent!
00:46:38 [benadida]
we're helping out and we're going to make sure all the packages we recommend are also happy on PG, because, heck, *we* want to use it on PG
00:47:14 [docwolf]
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00:47:26 [rbm]
benadida: Yeah. I'm sure many people would rather use it on PG.
00:48:18 [lethedrinker]
the berklee folks are a consulting firm or the music college?
00:48:58 [rbm]
lethedrinker: the music college
00:49:35 [lethedrinker]
interesting.
00:51:27 [rbm]
they are doing some heavy OpenACS work.
00:52:16 [markd2]
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~news/releases/june02/rogers.shtml
00:52:16 [oacs-chump]
A: http://www.dartmouth.edu/~news/releases/june02/rogers.shtml from markd2
00:52:26 [markd2]
A:| Mister Rogers' Dartmouth comencement speech
00:52:26 [oacs-chump]
titled item A
00:52:28 [mbr]
paje, have you made arrangements for my date with Paula?
00:52:28 [paje]
no idea, mbr
00:52:35 [markd2]
A: Mister Rogers rules (tm)
00:52:35 [oacs-chump]
added comment A1
00:52:41 [rbm]
markd2: who's him?
00:52:57 [markd2]
Mister Rogers is a long-time children's show host
00:53:29 [denshi]
he's the leader of the crypto-sweater-industrial complex
00:53:35 [markd2]
heh
00:53:40 [markd2]
Won't you be my.. "neighbor" ?
00:54:16 [denshi]
http://www.jwz.org/gruntle/rogers.html
00:54:16 [oacs-chump]
B: http://www.jwz.org/gruntle/rogers.html from denshi
00:54:25 [denshi]
B: completely unverifiable.
00:54:25 [oacs-chump]
added comment B1
00:54:29 [denshi]
B: but funny
00:54:29 [oacs-chump]
added comment B2
00:55:51 [markd2]
I wouldn't be surprised about his son
00:56:03 [markd2]
Mister Rogers is a methodist minister, and PKs tend to be wild
00:57:13 [denshi]
in a certain sense, being Mister Rogers has to be hella cool
00:57:33 [denshi]
"who's mr. Rogers? that's right, baby, I am."
01:00:31 [mbr]
* mbr goes to bed
01:00:34 [mbr]
nite nite :)
01:00:47 [denshi]
I think mbr ordered that incorrectly
01:01:13 [mbr]
hmm?
01:02:02 [vinod]
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01:02:17 [markd2]
vinoooodle!
01:02:31 [vinod]
haha
01:02:31 [vinod]
hey markd2!
01:02:51 [rbm]
limphvinod!
01:03:07 [markd2]
oh no, he's lymphing again
01:03:17 [markd2]
you'd think he'd be able to go see a doctor or something
01:03:34 [vinod]
doctors shmoctors
01:04:07 [vinod]
i don't trust em
01:04:12 [denshi]
vinod is a cyborg
01:04:19 [docwolf]
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01:04:20 [denshi]
doctors can't help him
01:04:33 [vinod]
speaking of non-trustworthy doctors
01:04:41 [docwolf]
Hi, Everybody!
01:05:00 [docwolf]
Remember, no matter what happens, let's not get the law involved! one hand washes the other.. oh, that reminds me....
01:05:07 [vinod]
lol
01:05:29 [rbm]
* rbm goes to shower
01:05:41 [denshi]
one hand washes the other rbm?
01:05:42 [markd2]
* markd2 suddenly feels unclean
01:05:52 [vinod]
suddenly?
01:05:57 [denshi]
* denshi takes his hands out of this group
01:06:36 [rbm]
denshi: the other hand and also the rest of the body
01:09:09 [vinod]
so markd2, how was the TA'ing? did the students treat you well?
01:09:49 [markd2]
actually yeah
01:09:52 [denshi]
well... he feels unclean now, so draw your own conclusions
01:09:55 [markd2]
even after I brought a bad stomach bug with me
01:10:02 [markd2]
I just don't feel "fresh"
01:10:06 [vinod]
ahh - it's all coming together now :-)
01:10:26 [vinod]
i didn't realize docwolf's energy drinks had made it that far north yet
01:10:32 [markd2]
We had fun. The material is a blast
01:10:40 [markd2]
well, rzolf was in the class
01:10:48 [markd2]
so the transitivity principle probably had something to do with it
01:10:53 [vinod]
haha
01:12:09 [vinod]
cool - i was just unpacking my books yesterday and came up with all my old mac-programming books and mags. things have changed a lot since then
01:18:12 [davb]
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01:18:29 [denshi]
speaking of docwolf energy drinks, when are they going to make it west to austin?
01:18:35 [davb]
hi
01:18:38 [denshi]
moo, davb
01:18:40 [davb]
* davb triumphantly returns
01:18:45 [docwolf]
i'm not sure if they are legal in texas.
01:18:55 [vinod]
* vinod hails the return of davb
01:18:57 [denshi]
they're legal?
01:19:03 [davb]
davb has changed the topic to: OpenACS: Free Web Toolkit: http://openacs.org
01:19:05 [denshi]
news to me...
01:19:09 [markd2]
legal, or lethal?
01:19:09 [davb]
hi vinod. in NYC?
01:19:10 [docwolf]
well, they're legal here because florida has no laws
01:19:18 [davb]
docwolf: everything is legal in texas
01:19:23 [denshi]
ah, so that's why you set up shop there
01:19:30 [denshi]
davb: except for being liberal
01:19:39 [docwolf]
florida is an extension of the third world.
01:19:49 [davb]
denshi: ah, good point
01:20:11 [davb]
did i miss anything today?
01:20:12 [vinod]
davb: no - drove back to boston this evenin, cuz months back, i was an idiot and bought a flight from bos-phoenix instead of nyc-phoenix :-)
01:20:20 [davb]
oops
01:20:45 [markd2]
d'oh
01:20:51 [denshi]
what's the printf letter for printing a char *?
01:20:52 [davb]
i was actually in brooklyn today. next time I am going to entend my trip.
01:20:58 [vinod]
cool!
01:20:59 [markd2]
%s
01:21:02 [denshi]
thx
01:21:16 [vinod]
definitely - i got a futon now, so you're all welcome in nyc :-)
01:21:23 [davb]
cool thanks.
01:22:14 [denshi]
this must be an enormous futon
01:22:28 [denshi]
I call the end with the jacuzzi
01:22:42 [vinod]
haha
01:22:44 [vinod]
one at a time
01:22:54 [vinod]
there'll be no hand-washing-hand in my apt!
01:23:01 [markd2]
and that'll be the last thing I think about as I go to sleep.
01:23:05 [markd2]
* markd2 awaits the nightmares
01:23:05 [denshi]
* denshi falls out of his chair
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01:26:51 [denshi]
http://christpuncher.jerkcity.com/jerkcity1122.html
01:26:51 [oacs-chump]
C: http://christpuncher.jerkcity.com/jerkcity1122.html from denshi
01:31:04 [denshi]
bbl
01:31:45 [benadida]
dinner time talk to you guys later!
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01:36:39 [talli]
hey guys
01:36:46 [vinod]
hey talli!
01:36:54 [talli]
is anyone aware of a hardware detecting tool like kudzu for debian?
01:36:55 [davb]
hi talli
01:37:16 [davb]
uh nope.
01:37:42 [vinod]
sorry, no
01:39:24 [vinod]
wait - http://packages.debian.org/kudzu
01:39:31 [talli]
holy
01:39:31 [talli]
nice
01:41:22 [davb]
heh
01:41:27 [davb]
that is cool.
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02:03:48 [davb]
g'nite
02:36:29 [rbm]
hmm, talli should look into detect on Debian
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07:26:14 [rbm]
YEAHHH!!!!1111!!!!
07:26:16 [rbm]
Argentina is going HOME!
07:31:32 [k2pts]
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07:31:40 [k2pts]
paje: seen rbm?
07:31:40 [paje]
rbm was last seen on #openacs 5 minutes and 24 seconds ago, saying: Argentina is going HOME! [Wed Jun 12 02:26:42 2002]
07:31:47 [k2pts]
hey rbm
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07:41:13 [jim]
just a quick line to let people know I'm around but lacking a connection...
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10:10:55 [davb]
http://interactiveu.berkeley.edu:8000/PatD/stories/storyReader$248
10:10:56 [oacs-chump]
D: http://interactiveu.berkeley.edu:8000/PatD/stories/storyReader$248 from davb
10:11:08 [davb]
D:|Find It, Read It, Write It
10:11:09 [oacs-chump]
titled item D
10:11:35 [davb]
D: an interesting project involving, librarians, teachers, students, the internet, and weblogs
10:11:36 [oacs-chump]
added comment D1
10:12:42 [davb]
D: where is OpenACS?? :) we need to get moving on projects like this. With OpenFTS and the database behind the whole thing, there is alot of power to search, and aggregate the data in these kind of projects
10:12:42 [oacs-chump]
added comment D2
10:52:37 [davb]
bbl
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12:08:11 [davb]
hi there
13:31:35 [denshi]
ooom
13:58:59 [cro]
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13:59:05 [cro]
good morning
14:08:30 [denshi]
what's new, cro?
14:09:40 [cro]
not much, gotta take a couple days off.
14:20:38 [bduell]
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14:22:40 [pascal]
hiya
14:22:58 [davb]
hi pascal and bduell
14:23:09 [bduell]
Howdy!
14:23:18 [bduell]
Can anyone tell me why a package we developed would give the following while being executed....
14:23:27 [bduell]
Notice: RP (419.073 ms): error in rp_handler: serving POST /group-data/
14:23:34 [bduell]
errmsg is can't read "rest": no such variable
14:24:36 [davb]
i need a little more context. where is the variable $rest referred to?
14:24:57 [pascal]
probably because 'rest' is only set in a if {} {} branch that does not always get executed.
14:25:17 [bduell]
I believe rest is a variable being used by the rp_handler loading procedures for packages.
14:25:24 [davb]
ah.
14:25:59 [bduell]
All procedures show in the api-doc, the package shows correctly in the site-map, and the package shows that it is installed and enabled.
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14:44:42 [davb]
what is happeniing when you get this error message?
14:47:45 [bduell]
I just get a request error in the browser and the above messages in the server.log
14:50:32 [davb]
ok. what are you doing when this happens? submitting a form or some sort? what did you expect to happen instead?
14:52:24 [bduell]
there's a form in the index page that loads correctly, but it initially just pulls the group names and associated id's. when the form is posted, however, is when the page makes a call to a procedure loaded with the group-data package, which is supposed to make some checks against the group selected. I'm thinking that the procedure is somehow not being loaded correctly by the bootstrapper, but it shows correctly in the api-doc.
14:53:47 [davb]
I think if it shows correctly in api-doc it is loaded.
14:53:55 [davb]
is group-data a core package?
14:54:01 [bduell]
no it isn't.
14:54:09 [davb]
ok.
14:55:13 [davb]
look back a little farther in the error log, in both directions. it should show the exact tcl command that caused the error. it should give the line number of the statement. it might be a line number in a tcl page, or a line number of a proc the error occured in.
15:04:20 [rbm]
ooom
15:05:55 [davb]
hi rbm
15:08:41 [rbm]
hi davb
15:08:50 [rbm]
crap, I missed neophytos for 5 minutes last night
15:09:08 [rbm]
rather, this morning (the Argentina game ended at 2 AM MST)
15:14:19 [denshi]
so where does that place them?
15:15:39 [davb]
cool, someone is patching ns_xml already.
15:16:38 [rbm]
denshi: Sweden or Argentina?
15:16:49 [denshi]
rbm: assume I know nothing
15:18:08 [rbm]
Sweden and Argentina were playing for a place in the eigth-finals. Sweden had th advantage and was playing for a tie. Argentina had to win.
15:19:18 [rbm]
Argentina was on the offense the entire game, many many times (Sweden's best player was its goalkeeper). However they were pretty dumb because they kept throwing high balls in the goal area and the Swedish are way taller than the Argentineans, so they never could score.
15:19:46 [rbm]
At the end of the first half, Sweden scored a goal in a great goal from far from the goal, after a foul.
15:20:12 [rbm]
Argentina was able to score in the midst of the second half, in a penalty
15:20:41 [rbm]
Sweden hung in there for the last 25 minutes of the game, which were very very intense.
15:21:27 [rbm]
So Sweden and England are the two teams from that group going to the eigth finals. Argentina and Nigeria are going home.
15:21:52 [rbm]
The game was awesome though.
15:22:24 [markd2]
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15:22:27 [rbm]
Rivalries apart, Argentina deserved to win, if only they had been a little smarter.
15:22:37 [rbm]
Argentina lost _lots_ of goal opportunities.
15:22:41 [denshi]
paje, attack!
15:22:41 [paje]
* paje bites Mark's ankle
15:22:52 [denshi]
sounds intense
15:23:01 [davb]
hi markd2
15:23:04 [markd2]
ack!
15:23:12 [markd2]
paje really hates my ankles
15:23:12 [paje]
markd2: sorry...
15:23:23 [denshi]
paje, botsnack
15:23:23 [paje]
thanks denshi :)
15:23:27 [rbm]
This world cup is the cup of the upsets. Everybody that is actually good is getting sent home in a strike of bad luck. Everybody who's bad is staying.
15:23:29 [davb]
http://billstclair.com/blogmax/
15:23:29 [oacs-chump]
E: http://billstclair.com/blogmax/ from davb
15:23:37 [davb]
E:|BloxMax: Blogging in Emacs
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titled item E
15:23:50 [rbm]
Heck, Brazil is classified for the eigth finals before its third game. What more upset than that?
15:23:59 [denshi]
I looked at cnn.com's ranking page but didn't quite have the terminology to decipher it
15:24:07 [denshi]
but it looks like Ireland is advancing
15:25:41 [rbm]
Yeah, I think Ireland and Germany are the two ones of that group.
15:26:09 [denshi]
do they group them in any traditional fashion, or are the groups randomized?
15:26:37 [davb]
http://www.eecs.tulane.edu/www/Beuscher/emacs/elisp.html
15:26:37 [oacs-chump]
F: http://www.eecs.tulane.edu/www/Beuscher/emacs/elisp.html from davb
15:26:48 [rbm]
There are 8 groups this year. The members of each group were chosen randomly.
15:26:55 [rbm]
Each group has 4 teams
15:26:56 [davb]
F:|todo-mode.el
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titled item F
15:28:30 [davb]
ftp://ls6-ftp.cs.uni-dortmund.de/pub/src/emacs/todo-mode.el
15:28:33 [davb]
oops.
15:28:37 [davb]
chump doesn'
15:28:40 [davb]
do ftp
15:28:48 [davb]
F: more: ftp://ls6-ftp.cs.uni-dortmund.de/pub/src/emacs/todo-mode.el
15:28:48 [oacs-chump]
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15:29:04 [davb]
F: and more http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ToDo
15:29:04 [oacs-chump]
added comment F2
15:36:26 [rbm]
davb: Who's working on ns_xml?
15:37:07 [davb]
Jeremy Vinding - according to sourceforge messages on the aolserver list
15:43:35 [bduell]
davb: seems that someone move the .tcl procedure from the package/tcl directory directly into the server tcl directory (not good). all works ok now.
15:46:36 [auffers]
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15:50:24 [mbr]
afropuff
15:56:32 [davb]
cool
15:56:36 [davb]
hi auffers
15:56:39 [mbr]
sup davasaurus
15:56:46 [davb]
hi mbr.
15:57:12 [auffers]
hi davb - hi all
15:57:28 [rbm]
hi auffers
15:57:37 [mbr]
mew!
15:57:39 [auffers]
sorry for entering quietly/rudely - head stuck in code-land...
15:58:05 [davb]
no problem. we don't have too many rules here.
15:58:33 [markd2]
rules? here?
15:58:37 [auffers]
off the top of their head - anyone know if there is a site-wide way to point oacs to a different sendmail server..?
15:58:54 [rbm]
auffers: your aolserver config file.
15:59:36 [davb]
exactly
16:00:12 [auffers]
ah - of course. now to go dig up the correct directive...
16:00:16 [davb]
new junkyard wars episode tonight.
16:00:18 [davb]
Mailhost
16:00:30 [mbr]
* mbr eats the rules
16:00:43 [mbr]
What rules?
16:01:11 [markd2]
well, just the rule to give *phylax a bunch of money
16:01:14 [markd2]
but since there are no more rules, we'r esafe now
16:01:26 [mbr]
paje attack!
16:01:26 [paje]
* paje bites Mark's ankle
16:01:30 [davb]
ns_param Mailhost smtp.nycap.rr.com
16:02:46 [mbr]
paje you're also a | cannibal
16:02:46 [paje]
mbr: huh?
16:03:10 [markd2]
paje is also | a cannibal
16:03:10 [paje]
okay, markd2.
16:03:12 [davb]
hmmm
16:03:13 [mbr]
paje is also a | cannibal
16:03:13 [paje]
okay, mbr.
16:03:20 [mbr]
paje?
16:03:20 [paje]
mbr?
16:03:23 [davb]
IE 6 is un gzipping files I download.
16:03:24 [mbr]
what are you paje
16:03:33 [davb]
but it doesn't do tar.
16:03:50 [mbr]
dave, you're too far?
16:03:55 [mbr]
Why not move in closer :-D
16:11:09 [mbr]
paje, are you a silly bot?
16:11:09 [paje]
i haven't a clue, mbr
16:15:35 [mbr]
well
16:15:40 [mbr]
back to the DA's office
16:18:19 [rbm]
still on jury duty?
16:34:57 [auffers]
tks for the mailhost tip all - now to drop and reload my schnarfed users table...
16:35:03 [auffers]
so is anyone else working here?!
16:35:10 [denshi]
define working
16:35:19 [rbm]
I'm working
16:35:44 [denshi]
(setf working (crawling-chaos #'global_env))
16:35:55 [auffers]
is anyone else here stupid enough to be working in a timezone that makes it 3:30am?
16:36:26 [denshi]
not stupid with that timezone, but last night, at 3:30 am I was debugging an apache module
16:38:50 [auffers]
mmm - debugging apache.... i spent half last week learning the joy of apache rewrite rules...
16:38:58 [auffers]
damn half baked api :(
16:39:35 [denshi]
oh, it's fully baked
16:39:43 [denshi]
at least the coders are
16:39:51 [auffers]
:)
16:41:53 [rbm]
I wish neophytos would shouw up
16:42:00 [rbm]
s/shouw/show/
16:53:38 [davb]
me too.
16:53:39 [davb]
:)
16:54:10 [davb]
oops, bll
17:01:13 [rbm]
"be lagged later"?
17:02:20 [markd2]
paje, bll?
17:02:20 [paje]
no idea, markd2
17:02:22 [davb]
should be, "learn how to type later"
17:02:36 [markd2]
paje, bll is learn how to type later
17:02:36 [paje]
OK, markd2.
17:14:12 [rbm]
http://www.brasileiro.net/roberto/humor/argentina1.jpg
17:14:12 [oacs-chump]
G: http://www.brasileiro.net/roberto/humor/argentina1.jpg from rbm
17:14:24 [rbm]
G:| Nice Argentinean soccer team pic
17:14:24 [oacs-chump]
titled item G
17:17:29 [markd2]
heh
17:18:30 [talli]
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17:18:35 [denshi]
talli!
17:18:38 [cro]
hey talli
17:18:43 [talli]
perhaps this is not the most immature channel on irc
17:18:44 [talli]
http://www.geekissues.org/quotes/?top
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H: http://www.geekissues.org/quotes/?top from talli
17:18:55 [talli]
hazmat: Top 25 Quotes from IRC
17:19:07 [talli]
whoops
17:19:13 [talli]
will someone quote that for me?
17:19:17 [talli]
hey denshi, cro
17:20:41 [markd2]
H: Top 25 Quotes from IRC
17:20:41 [oacs-chump]
added comment H1
17:20:56 [denshi]
H: the best is #4278
17:20:56 [oacs-chump]
added comment H2
17:21:24 [markd2]
heh
17:23:12 [talli]
it's truly a snapshot of the most depraved parts of internet culture
17:23:18 [talli]
particularly #2666
17:24:11 [markd2]
kinda makes your lack of pants seem even more perverted
17:24:12 [talli]
thank god we don't have too many script kiddies here
17:24:13 [markd2]
or something like that
17:24:31 [talli]
although whoever taught that bot to dance deserves a nice prize
17:25:39 [talli]
markd2, if i start wearing hot pants, will that help?
17:27:55 [markd2]
mmm... hot pants...
17:28:23 [rbm]
hey ssh forwarding gurus...
17:28:27 [rbm]
Can I map port 80 on my eth1 to port 80 on a remote server?
17:28:53 [talli]
yeah, that one is a very good one
17:29:50 [cro]
yes
17:29:54 [rbm]
anyone?
17:29:55 [cro]
rbm: i mean yes
17:30:10 [rbm]
cro: great. can you give me an example of how, please?
17:30:20 [cro]
I think (been a little while)
17:30:57 [cro]
ssh -L 80:ip_of_remote_server:80 ip_of_eth1
17:31:00 [cro]
I *think*
17:31:16 [cro]
hm
17:31:21 [cro]
that doesn't sound right
17:31:22 [cro]
just a sec
17:33:31 [rbm]
cro: looks like ssh -b ip.address.of.eth1 -L 80:localhost:80 remote.server.com
17:33:56 [cro]
right
17:34:23 [cro]
I forgot the -b, and also that remote.server.com doesn't matter, the forwarding is done by the client not the server.
17:35:35 [denshi]
anyone well versed in the clone() system call?
17:36:37 [markd2]
not really, outside of it's a linux call that can be used to create threads or other processes
17:41:12 [denshi]
nsd3 uses it to create new Tcl_Interps from a pre-configured interp
17:41:43 [denshi]
I'm trying to figure out why they use that
17:42:01 [markd2]
which file?
17:49:39 [markd2]
* markd2 isn't finding the clone() system call in the 3.3ad13 nsd
17:50:02 [denshi]
tcl8.3.2/generic/regcomp.c and regc_nfa.c match a grep -r
17:50:21 [denshi]
I'm taking this info from Davidson's lecture on Digital City implementation
17:50:41 [denshi]
he describes the 3 ways they have generated and initialized interpreters in the past
17:51:13 [markd2]
I see 'cloneouts', but not 'clone'
17:51:31 [markd2]
looks like state machine stuff
17:53:24 [davb]
me too.
17:53:28 [davb]
no clones.
17:53:36 [markd2]
*whew*. no attacking now
17:55:40 [denshi]
darth bork, I have a task for you
17:58:34 [markd2]
the force is strong with this one
18:01:41 [denshi]
I feel... suffering... anger... debugging..
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18:36:35 [davb]
neat stuff in ruby.
18:37:20 [davb]
"The REST wiki suggests that the REST architectural style is most closely related to that of TupleSpaces. One important difference is that in TupleSpaces the sender does not identify the recipient. Data is addressed and routed based on content. Is there a place for such a model in "Alternative Web Services Architectures"?"
18:44:54 [davb]
Interesting (to me anyway) stuff on Patrick Logan's Weblog: http://radio.weblogs.com/0100812/2002/06/08.html
18:47:13 [denshi]
what
18:47:23 [denshi]
what's REST? I've been hearing the word lately
18:47:45 [markd2]
* markd2 needs to get some rest
18:51:56 [davb]
Representational State Transfer or something like that,
18:51:58 [denshi]
what's markd2? I've been hearing about that guy lately
18:52:14 [davb]
It means using the HTTP protocol correctly instead of abusing it, ie SOAP and XMLRPC
18:53:44 [markd2]
markd2?
18:53:44 [paje]
you are a dork
18:53:48 [markd2]
that's about right
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18:55:21 [lilo]
[GlobalNotice] Hi all. If you haven't had a chance, please take a look at http://somegeek.org/status.html (last updated 11 June). The site will be pretty overloaded. Thanks.
18:56:03 [denshi]
bbl
18:58:47 [davb]
http://internet.conveyor.com/RESTwiki/moin.cgi/
18:58:48 [oacs-chump]
I: http://internet.conveyor.com/RESTwiki/moin.cgi/ from davb
18:58:53 [davb]
I:|REST Wiki
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titled item I
18:59:15 [davb]
http://www.ics.uci.edu/~fielding/pubs/dissertation/top.htm
18:59:15 [oacs-chump]
J: http://www.ics.uci.edu/~fielding/pubs/dissertation/top.htm from davb
18:59:31 [davb]
I: Roy Fielding's dissertation describing REST
18:59:31 [oacs-chump]
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19:02:14 [davb]
hey
19:21:09 [mbr]
?
19:29:23 [davb]
bbl
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20:24:20 [davb]
argh
20:24:35 [davb]
there are 30 patches submitted for aolserver, and 25 open, most from last year.
20:36:15 [mbr]
:)
20:36:24 [mbr]
Have a beer
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20:49:52 [davb]
thanks
20:57:16 [davb]
http://www.cs.indiana.edu/hyplan/dfried/mex.ps
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K: http://www.cs.indiana.edu/hyplan/dfried/mex.ps from davb
20:57:51 [davb]
K:|The Role of Study of Programming Langauges in the Education of a Programmer
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titled item K
21:01:10 [markd2]
K: PDF version: http://www.cs.indiana.edu/hyplan/dfried/dfried/mex.pdf
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added comment K1
21:01:19 [davb]
cool.
21:01:44 [davb]
so far it is very interesting.
21:01:51 [davb]
denshi, have you seen this before?
21:02:42 [denshi]
whothewhereinthewhatnow?
21:02:51 [davb]
K:
21:02:51 [oacs-chump]
http://www.cs.indiana.edu/hyplan/dfried/mex.ps
21:02:52 [oacs-chump]
The Role of Study of Programming Langauges in the Education of a Programmer
21:02:53 [oacs-chump]
(1:markd2) PDF version: http://www.cs.indiana.edu/hyplan/dfried/dfried/mex.pdf
21:03:03 [denshi]
http://www.international-lisp-conference.org/
21:03:03 [oacs-chump]
L: http://www.international-lisp-conference.org/ from denshi
21:03:14 [denshi]
L: End of October in SF
21:03:14 [oacs-chump]
added comment L1
21:04:45 [davb]
neat
21:05:42 [denshi]
whoa. what a cool lecture
21:08:45 [mbr]
yikes 32 pages
21:09:07 [davb]
yeah.
21:09:19 [davb]
I am interested int he web applications stuff they will have at that conference
21:11:23 [denshi]
ooh
21:11:50 [denshi]
I just realized that the lisp conference will end on the Castro Street Halloween Party
21:11:56 [denshi]
heh heh heh he
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21:35:11 [denshi]
davb: sw33t! by the time that conference rolls around, I'll be able to get in on the student ticket
21:45:39 [davb]
excellent
21:45:57 [davb]
that will be uh, interesting (the halloween party)
21:46:09 [davb]
I need to get back in school.
21:46:11 [davb]
argh
21:48:45 [davb]
good thing I didn't read the top 25 questions thing at work.
21:55:33 [davb]
darn, it wasn't that funny.
21:57:50 [davb]
Microsost: Where would you like your unchecked buffer today?
21:59:24 [denshi]
ohh, I know, I know! Microsoft can take their unchecked buffer and.. oh wait, there are children present
21:59:59 [davb]
emacs
22:00:01 [davb]
oops
22:02:20 [davb]
if I have an emacs .el file, where should I save it so I can load it?
22:05:38 [davb]
aha
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/usr/share/emacs/...
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22:07:29 [davb]
cool. todoo more works well
22:07:44 [davb]
brb, going to the dark side
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22:29:35 [davb]
aigh, that pdf looks like crap
22:30:09 [davb]
maybe i need some fonts or something
22:35:21 [mbr]
* mbr bites davb
22:36:16 [denshi]
* denshi bites davb
22:39:09 [mbr]
:)
22:39:27 [rbm]
* rbm chugs along on PDF stuff
22:39:56 [denshi]
* denshi , in a froth of botsmack frenzy, bites rbm
22:43:30 [rbm]
Yow!!
22:43:30 [paje]
Yow! I want my nose in lights!
22:43:49 [mbr]
* mbr steals some botsmack from paje
22:48:00 [markd2]
whatever paje is smoking, he's not sharing
22:48:02 [markd2]
yow!
22:48:03 [paje]
I am deeply CONCERNED and I want something GOOD for BREAKFAST!
22:48:26 [davb]
what
22:48:30 [davb]
what's up?
22:49:26 [davb]
markd2, did you read the pdf version of that?
22:51:19 [markd2]
not yet
22:51:26 [markd2]
brain is too tired
22:51:54 [davb]
ok. just wondering because the font was really bad on my computer :)
22:53:24 [markd2]
it was pretty bad here too :-)
22:53:30 [markd2]
kinda like a bad photocopy
22:53:33 [davb]
ok, so its not me.
22:53:38 [davb]
the PS was much nicer.
23:19:23 [davb]
cool, win2k supporta type 1 fonts
23:20:03 [denshi]
yow!
23:20:03 [paje]
If elected, Zippy pledges to each and every American a 55-year-old houseboy ...
23:21:28 [davb]
i need some font manager software though...
23:23:08 [denshi]
yow!
23:23:08 [paje]
My EARS are GONE!!
23:23:42 [markd2]
poor paje
23:23:42 [paje]
* paje weeps
23:24:46 [denshi]
we should feel ashamed of ourselves, treating a bot in such a manner
23:25:12 [markd2]
damn straight
23:25:16 [markd2]
paje, again!
23:25:17 [paje]
* paje spanks talli
23:29:17 [davb]
paje: excuse
23:29:17 [paje]
davb: _Rosin_ core solder? But...
23:29:24 [davb]
paje: excuse
23:29:24 [paje]
davb: The kernel license has expired
23:29:34 [denshi]
paje: bow
23:29:34 [paje]
denshi: huh?
23:30:17 [denshi]
markd2, can you thumbnail the nsd startup process?
23:30:37 [markd2]
I only really know it for 2.3.3 land, which is different than 3.x land
23:31:44 [denshi]
shoot
23:31:53 [denshi]
as in, go ahead
23:32:30 [markd2]
in 2.3.3 land, the server starts up as a root user, binds to port 80, then forks a second server as 'nsadmin', which handles the requests
23:33:03 [markd2]
on startup it sources all the tcl files in the shared tcl dir unless shadowed by the particular virtual server's tcl dir, to make a shared tcl interpreter
23:33:13 [markd2]
in 3.x land, I know theyv'e gone to multiple interpreters
23:34:46 [denshi]
do you know when and how it inits the db pools?
23:36:28 [markd2]
it should set up the infastructure, but not actually create the connection to db until the first handle is gotten
23:43:51 [davb]
cool.
23:44:01 [davb]
Suitcase is a really nice font manager.
23:45:41 [markd2]
* markd2 remembers when Suitcase first came out
23:45:51 [markd2]
so named since the Mac fonts were packaged into little suitcases
23:46:10 [davb]
ah, i remember that from school.
23:46:21 [auffers]
ooh - who remebers the font-da mover??
23:46:30 [davb]
that was fun. photoshop on an old powermax with a whopping 48mb ram.
23:46:37 [davb]
s/powermax/powermac
23:47:25 [davb]
i should go back there and demand some free classes. right after I was done, the got all new macs. also when i finished photography, they build a new building just for the darkrooms and stuff instead of havig it in an old basement.
23:47:39 [auffers]
photoshop 2 on a Mac LC with 8mb ram anyone? Not even an MMU to run virtual memopry or ramdoubler...
23:47:56 [markd2]
macpaint on a Mac 128K :-)
23:48:05 [markd2]
now that was magical software
23:48:10 [auffers]
s/(mo)p(ry)/$1$2/
23:48:19 [davb]
oh I had fun. all the mac people used to say "aigh! virtual memory is bad."
23:48:50 [auffers]
mmm - Macpaint - remember how thje screen size was hardcoded, so if yiou ran it on a bigger screen it still looked like you were using a fat mac?
23:48:55 [davb]
davb has changed the topic to: OpenACS: Free Web Toolkit - Software Nostalgia Hour
23:49:13 [markd2]
yep. took me a couple of years to discover it though
23:49:16 [markd2]
heh
23:50:04 [davb]
I need to turn off the "you are stupid and would be overwhelmed with choices, so we will hide your menus so it isn't too hard option" on win2k
23:50:24 [davb]
I also really like the, oh, we rearranged the order of the commands on the menu again feature.
23:50:56 [markd2]
uncheck the "random permutation" option in the UI prefs pane
23:51:31 [davb]
hmmm. i wonder if I can enable webdav on my web server to interface with dreamweaver.
23:51:56 [markd2]
webdavb
23:52:22 [markd2]
looks like webdavb.com isn't taken
23:52:47 [davb]
hey!
23:52:49 [davb]
cool.
23:53:48 [davb]
wow cleanfun.com is available (for a fee anyway). surprised someone did't grab that.
23:55:38 [markd2]
ugh
23:55:44 [markd2]
the page that comes up with cleanfun is pretty annoying
23:55:49 [davb]
too much work
23:56:03 [markd2]
both a status bar scroller and a flash scroller
23:56:05 [davb]
oh sorry, i just saw it with a little scrolling bar that shows "for sale" domain names.
23:56:22 [davb]
scp is easier.
23:56:23 [markd2]
that's good enough to be 'annoying' in my book :-)
23:56:32 [davb]
gotta get webdav in aolserver!
23:58:29 [davb]
argh
23:58:35 [davb]
i wonder how to set the path in win2k