IRC log of openacs on 2002-06-05

Timestamps are in UTC.

00:01:45 [rbm]

* rbm laughs

00:01:54 [Psyork]

* Psyork bites rbm

00:02:00 [rbm]

paje: get Psyork!

00:02:00 [paje]

rbm: i'm not following you...

00:02:28 [Psyork]

hahaha

00:02:32 [rbm]

Psyork: The clie's will do it. I think the Zaurus has a SmartMedia reader, but I may be wrong. I know for sure it has CF and SD slots.

00:02:35 [Psyork]

paje, pass me some botsmack

00:02:35 [paje]

Psyork: what?

00:02:42 [rbm]

maybe not CF, but SD for sure.

00:03:31 [rbm]

Psyork: I found someone trying to sell the mobo I want at that site you always post about: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3461378~root=forsale~mode=flat

00:05:16 [Psyork]

You want me to inquire regarding the price of the motherboard?

00:06:19 [rbm]

Psyork: Would you? I was trying to register, but it seems that they have some payfoo.

00:06:39 [rbm]

He seems to be trying to sell it all at once and he already has buyers for some of the other stuff.

00:06:45 [Psyork]

i think that's if you want a premium account

00:08:49 [Psyork]

btw...DSLR is really good...if you got 10 spare bones it's a good site to be a memeber of

00:10:59 [rbm]

did you post a reply?

00:11:01 [rbm]

Or should I?

00:11:26 [Psyork]

i did

00:11:33 [rbm]

Ask about the...

00:11:35 [rbm]

okay.

00:11:44 [rbm]

I was going to ask you to ask about the network card too :)

00:11:56 [Psyork]

Eh

00:12:02 [Psyork]

I have plenty of those

00:12:25 [rbm]

I will need a PCI netw card

00:13:05 [Psyork]

yeah all my nics are pci

00:13:36 [rbm]

I don't see your post

00:13:44 [rbm]

Oh, nevermind

00:14:33 [rbm]

what's with the stars?

00:14:48 [Psyork]

heh

00:15:03 [Psyork]

blue = you have monetarily contributed to the site (tool points)

00:15:23 [Psyork]

1 silver = you have attained a certain number of points...

00:15:27 [Psyork]

2 silver - next level

00:15:37 [Psyork]

3 silver = 3rd level

00:15:46 [Psyork]

gold = 4th

00:15:55 [Psyork]

gold + silver = 5th

00:15:59 [rbm]

eeeek, they use mod_perl with MySQL.

00:16:02 [Psyork]

gild + 2 silver = 6th

00:16:06 [rbm]

mod_perl would be okay, but MyCrapQL?

00:16:11 [Psyork]

green = final level

00:16:36 [Psyork]

So people with green + blue have been for there for a while

00:16:56 [Psyork]

btw, points are hidden so you don't know how many you have at any time nor how much do you need for the next level

00:17:15 [Psyork]

and you get points by: submitting news, posting and a few other things I don't know off the top of my head

00:17:29 [rbm]

Interesting

00:17:40 [Psyork]

tnen there are other trinkets...spinning globe, spinning dna...

00:17:51 [Psyork]

they show you're a member of the distributed teams

00:18:12 [Psyork]

globe is seti, dna is folding or helix

00:18:34 [Psyork]

I'm the RC5 (distributed.net) team founder :) and they still haven't given us a spinning cow

00:20:59 [Psyork]

btw...also, with the number of stars...certain "hidden" features become available

00:21:36 [rbm]

cool

00:21:44 [Psyork]

yeah I like it

00:21:49 [Psyork]

I've been a member for almost 2 years

00:22:28 [Psyork]

well, not almost

00:22:32 [Psyork]

year and a half

00:26:24 [Psyork]

i need to find me a new car

00:26:31 [rbm]

Hmmm, the 333 seems to be going for less then the 233

00:26:38 [rbm]

s/233s/266/

00:26:43 [Psyork]

?

00:26:47 [Psyork]

whatcha talkin' bout willis

00:26:48 [rbm]

MSI boards

00:27:02 [Psyork]

heh

00:27:19 [rbm]

I remember hearing something that the 333 had problems under Linux though

00:28:25 [Psyork]

maybe?

00:35:57 [Psyork]

* Psyork goes to bed

00:36:10 [Psyork]

but first a midnight snack

00:36:33 [rbm]

already?

00:36:44 [rbm]

Oh, I guess it's 9:39 in NY already

00:50:13 [Psyork]

lol

00:50:14 [Psyork]

yes it is

00:50:21 [Psyork]

* Psyork returns from his midnight snack

01:23:17 [davb]

davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-82.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs

01:24:35 [davb]

hiho

01:24:47 [Houser-Quaid]

hola

01:24:47 [paje]

bonjour, Houser-Quaid

01:25:11 [Houser-Quaid]

paje, get your ass to mars.

01:25:11 [paje]

Houser-Quaid: sorry...

01:25:13 [Psyork]

Anyone can recommend a good photoshop book?

01:25:17 [davb]

hey logger!!

01:25:17 [paje]

logger is dead. blame talli

01:25:25 [davb]

Psyork: Adobe Classroom in a book.

01:25:36 [davb]

paje forget logger

01:25:37 [paje]

davb: I forgot logger

01:25:42 [Psyork]

Is it good?

01:25:48 [davb]

Super Duper.

01:26:29 [davb]

Actually teaches how the software works, instead of a bunch of stupid effects. So you can create your own stupid effects instead of just copying someone elses.

01:26:45 [Psyork]

:)

01:26:56 [Psyork]

is it well written and easy to follow?

01:27:11 [davb]

yes, its a great tutorial

01:27:53 [Psyork]

I find that often they'll write a book and stuff in the first two chapters is obvious...then all of a sudden they'll be..."Ok, now we'll do this" and you wind up sitting there trying to figure out what the hell they did in the 3rd chapter and how to use stuff from the first 2 to achieve the same effects

01:27:55 [davb]

also:

01:28:04 [davb]

http://www.adobe.com/products/tips/photoshop.html

01:28:05 [oacs-chump]

A: http://www.adobe.com/products/tips/photoshop.html from davb

01:28:13 [davb]

A:|Free Photoshop 7 tutorials and tips

01:28:13 [oacs-chump]

titled item A

01:28:22 [davb]

Psyork: they are actually usefull.

01:29:18 [davb]

also check you local mega bookstore. read the books before you buy.

01:29:45 [Psyork]

yeah good idea

01:29:49 [davb]

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0321115627/qid=1023244215/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/103-5044588-6363031

01:29:49 [oacs-chump]

B: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0321115627/qid=1023244215/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/103-5044588-6363031 from davb

01:29:49 [Psyork]

* Psyork sighs

01:29:52 [Psyork]

I need a mentor

01:29:59 [davb]

Psyork: its not out yet. Junr 27.

01:30:02 [Psyork]

I slack off too much in my spare time not learning new and useful things

01:30:02 [davb]

June that is.

01:30:15 [davb]

Psyork: you don't need a mentor, you need an electric cattle prod

01:30:20 [Psyork]

yah

01:30:27 [Psyork]

and a more inspiring license plates

01:30:35 [davb]

Maybe we should kick you out of IRC

01:30:41 [Psyork]

:(

01:30:44 [Psyork]

heh..get this

01:30:57 [Psyork]

I spent all of Thursday..and today trying to configure an RPD because my boss told me it was broken

01:31:04 [Psyork]

Of course at about 6 I got it to work

01:31:19 [Psyork]

Immediately afterwards I wanted to kill my boss

01:31:55 [Psyork]

I attempted to configure 2 different RPDs (Return Path Modulators - they take stuff off coax and make it into Ethernet)

01:32:13 [Psyork]

using 3 different computers...and a packet sniffer

01:32:47 [Psyork]

i won't hold you in suspence anymore

01:33:00 [Psyork]

Reason: Bad Cat5 cable

01:34:10 [davb]

aigh

01:34:14 [davb]

http://evolt.org/article/ala/17/21234/

01:34:14 [oacs-chump]

C: http://evolt.org/article/ala/17/21234/ from davb

01:34:26 [davb]

C:|Simple Character Entity Chart

01:34:27 [oacs-chump]

titled item C

01:34:43 [davb]

Psyork: it is always the simplest thing

01:34:46 [davb]

always.

01:34:50 [davb]

i mean it.

01:34:58 [Psyork]

lol

01:35:03 [Psyork]

Eh

01:35:12 [Psyork]

My boss said "Well, now you're an RDP configurin' pro"

01:35:36 [rbm]

:)

01:35:37 [Psyork]

his boss is happy with my work too

01:35:40 [Psyork]

Hey

01:35:45 [Psyork]

* Psyork bites Roberto

01:35:50 [rbm]

ouch!

01:35:50 [Psyork]

80$ for that motherboard

01:36:13 [Psyork]

how much does the new one go for?

01:36:19 [rbm]

$80!?? That's a bit much

01:36:31 [rbm]

Is that with shupping? newegg wants $89 for it (but new)

01:36:36 [rbm]

err, shipping

01:36:44 [Psyork]

nope that's without shupping or shipping of any sort

01:36:53 [Psyork]

What do you think is a more appropriate price?

01:39:09 [rbm]

I don't know... what you do think? I'd buy it for 70

01:40:20 [Psyork]

I'd buy it for 60

01:41:15 [rbm]

So, 60 it is :)

01:41:29 [Psyork]

damn

01:41:46 [Psyork]

For me to get a Subaru Impreza WRX with every option is 35,000$

01:41:52 [Psyork]

For that much I can buy a Lexus IS300

01:41:56 [davb]

get one slightly used.

01:42:33 [Psyork]

Nah, I want a new car

01:42:43 [Psyork]

Unless it's like a 5 or 7 series BMW ;)

01:42:53 [davb]

ok

01:44:54 [Psyork]

all the _nice_ cars are about 35,000+

01:45:49 [Psyork]

6 Cylinder Passat is 33,000$

01:46:55 [Psyork]

* Psyork 's jaw drops

01:47:30 [Psyork]

362 horsepower, v12, 116,000$

01:48:17 [rbm]

That's cheap for a Passat

01:48:29 [rbm]

VW makes excellent cars. Their mechanics is really good.

01:48:39 [Psyork]

heh

01:48:52 [Psyork]

Well, they have 24,000$ passat cars but I want something zippy

01:51:11 [davb]

Psyork: that is why you get a 1 year old car.

01:51:23 [rbm]

* rbm nods

01:51:33 [Psyork]

yeah but even 5 year old cars are a lot

01:51:47 [Psyork]

I don't get how people pay like 400$ for nice cars

01:52:13 [davb]

A $35,000 car one yaer old should be around $25000 or so.

01:52:23 [Psyork]

I've been guessinancing on these sites and payments come out to anywhere between 700-1200$ for a 36 month finance

01:52:41 [davb]

You need a BIG down payment.

01:52:54 [davb]

also they pay for 6 years

01:53:00 [Houser-Quaid]

zippy?

01:53:06 [Houser-Quaid]

how zippy are you looking for?

01:53:12 [Houser-Quaid]

Houser-Quaid is now known as docwolf

01:53:33 [Psyork]

here: 1997 BMW 528 @ 27000$ financed for 36 months at 7.9% comes out to a 720$ monthly payment

01:53:50 [Psyork]

that's with a down payment of 2500 and a trade in of 1000

01:53:58 [Psyork]

is it me or does that come out to like twice the price?

01:54:19 [Psyork]

paje, 2500 + 1000 + (720 * 36)

01:54:19 [paje]

29420

01:54:48 [Psyork]

hmmm

01:54:55 [Psyork]

if i put down 10,000 it would be 400

01:55:01 [davb]

Psyork: that is probably correct.

01:55:24 [docwolf]

that's the tragedy of interest.

01:55:32 [davb]

new car financing is usally cheaper though. I wonder what the tipping point is.

01:56:52 [Psyork]

I want something like the 330i

01:57:02 [docwolf]

that little car is seriously fast.

01:57:17 [Psyork]

I know

01:58:01 [davb]

goodnight

01:58:04 [Psyork]

damn

01:58:07 [docwolf]

night

01:58:08 [Psyork]

882$

01:58:10 [Psyork]

bye dave

01:58:16 [docwolf]

why don't you buy a fun old junker on ebay.

01:58:33 [docwolf]

i've almost caved in on two occasions

01:58:36 [docwolf]

and bought a delorean

01:58:48 [Psyork]

nah, i want a new car

01:59:11 [Psyork]

and those mustangs and camaros are so cliche for a mid 20's person I want something with style

01:59:15 [Psyork]

and speed of course

01:59:18 [docwolf]

subaru WRX

01:59:30 [docwolf]

you'll pay a whole lot less

01:59:33 [docwolf]

and that car hauls ass

01:59:34 [Psyork]

It's an option..but at 35,000$ I might as well get the 330i

01:59:40 [docwolf]

holy crap

01:59:42 [docwolf]

$35k

01:59:44 [Psyork]

yep

01:59:45 [docwolf]

damn...

01:59:48 [docwolf]

what is subaru doing

01:59:53 [docwolf]

that car should be $28

01:59:53 [Psyork]

Raising prices

01:59:59 [Psyork]

Well, I did choose every possible option

02:00:02 [docwolf]

heh

02:00:04 [docwolf]

the thing is

02:00:07 [docwolf]

it's an impreza

02:00:10 [Psyork]

I did see a WRX stick for 23,000 at the subaru dealer

02:00:11 [docwolf]

so it's a total tin can

02:00:18 [Psyork]

Hey, I drive an Impreza :)

02:00:19 [docwolf]

but it is uber fast

02:00:20 [docwolf]

and stable

02:00:23 [docwolf]

hehe.. i drive a legacy

02:00:30 [Psyork]

My dad has a Legacy wagon

02:00:38 [Psyork]

That'll probably be my next car

02:00:46 [docwolf]

i love it.. it's totally indestructable

02:00:47 [rbm]

* rbm hacks into docwolf's machine and inserts a patch in his client that prevents him from sending messages until he has completed his phrase.

02:01:00 [docwolf]

haha. rbm doesn't like my

02:01:01 [docwolf]

nervous

02:01:01 [Psyork]

* Psyork bites rbm

02:01:02 [docwolf]

tick

02:01:05 [rbm]

it

02:01:06 [rbm]

is

02:01:07 [rbm]

kind

02:01:07 [rbm]

of

02:01:08 [Psyork]

I do the

02:01:09 [Psyork]

same

02:01:10 [Psyork]

thing

02:01:10 [rbm]

annoying

02:01:11 [rbm]

after

02:01:12 [rbm]

a

02:01:12 [Psyork]

so stop

02:01:13 [rbm]

while

02:01:14 [Psyork]

flooding

02:01:15 [Psyork]

the

02:01:16 [Psyork]

channel!

02:01:16 [paje]

rumour has it channel is usually more active during eastern time, since a lot of OACS users are over there

02:01:25 [Psyork]

paje, it's happening again!

02:01:26 [paje]

i heard it's happening again was <acton> strokes talli's head and whispers "that's ok. you'll get over it soon"

02:01:26 [rbm]

:-)

02:01:38 [rbm]

acton?

02:01:46 [Psyork]

paje, forget it's happening again

02:01:46 [paje]

Psyork: I forgot it's happening again

02:02:29 [rbm]

* rbm taps docwolf on the back

02:02:46 [Psyork]

paje, it's happening again is <action> whispers..."Oh no, oh no...I'm gonna die, quick, someone call the police...and the fire department! Oh god, someone tell me what the phone number for 911 is?"

02:02:46 [paje]

wish i knew, psyork

02:04:00 [Psyork]

paje It is happening again is <action> whispers..."Oh no, oh no...I'm gonna die, quick, someone call the police...and the fire department! Oh god, someone tell me what the phone number for 911 is?"

02:04:00 [paje]

bugger all, i dunno, psyork

02:04:05 [Psyork]

what the hell

02:04:13 [Psyork]

paje It is happening again is <action> whispers..."Oh no, oh no...I'm gonna die, quick, someone call the police...and the fire department!

02:04:14 [paje]

...but it is <reply>...

02:04:19 [rbm]

:)

02:04:23 [Psyork]

paje die

02:04:23 [paje]

Psyork: sorry...

02:04:32 [rbm]

paje: forget it

02:04:32 [paje]

rbm: I forgot it

02:04:37 [Psyork]

paje It is happening again is <action> whispers..."Oh no, oh no...I'm gonna die, quick, someone call the police...and the fire department!

02:04:38 [paje]

OK, Psyork.

02:04:49 [Psyork]

paje it is happening again

02:04:50 [paje]

...but it is happening again is <action> whispers..."Oh no, oh no...I'm gonna die, quick, someone call the police...and the fire department!...

02:04:52 [rbm]

you have to backwhack the first "is"

02:04:54 [rbm]

paje: forget it

02:04:55 [paje]

rbm: I forgot it

02:05:07 [rbm]

paje It \is happening again is <action> whispers..."Oh no, oh no...I'm gonna die, quick, someone call the police...and the fire department!

02:05:07 [paje]

OK, rbm.

02:05:18 [Psyork]

paje \It's happening again is <action> whispers..."Oh no, oh no...I'm gonna die, quick, someone call the police...and the fire department!

02:05:19 [paje]

OK, Psyork.

02:05:26 [Psyork]

paje it's happening again!

02:05:26 [paje]

* paje whispers..."Oh no, oh no...I'm gonna die, quick, someone call the police...and the fire department!

02:05:36 [Psyork]

paje forget it's happening again

02:05:36 [paje]

Psyork: I forgot it's happening again

02:06:25 [Psyork]

paje \It's happening again is <action> whispers..."Oh no, oh no...I'm gonna die, quick, someone call the police...and the fire department! Oh god, someone tell me what the phone number for 911 is?"

02:06:26 [paje]

i haven't a clue, psyork

02:06:33 [Psyork]

grrrr

02:06:51 [Psyork]

paje \It's happening again is <action> whispers..."Oh no, oh no...I'm gonna die, quick, someone call the police...and the fire department! Oh god, someone tell me what the phone number for 911 is\?"

02:06:51 [paje]

wish i knew, psyork

02:06:57 [Psyork]

* Psyork bites paje

02:07:01 [Psyork]

paje, go to your corner

02:07:02 [paje]

Psyork: huh?

02:07:05 [Psyork]

botsmack!

02:07:06 [paje]

* paje slumps into a purple haze

02:08:11 [rbm]

paje: forget \It's happenning again

02:08:11 [paje]

rbm, I didn't have anything matching \it's happenning again

02:08:35 [rbm]

paje: it's happenning again is <action> whispers..."Oh no, oh no...I'm gonna die, quick, someone call the police...and the fire department! Oh god, someone tell me what the phone number for 911 is\?"

02:08:35 [paje]

rbm: wish i knew

02:08:38 [rbm]

hmmm

02:08:47 [rbm]

paje: it\'s happenning again is <action> whispers..."Oh no, oh no...I'm gonna die, quick, someone call the police...and the fire department! Oh god, someone tell me what the phone number for 911 is\?"

02:08:48 [paje]

rbm: wish i knew

02:08:54 [rbm]

ah

02:09:07 [rbm]

paje: it's happenning again is <action> whispers..."Oh no, oh no...I'm gonna die, quick, someone call the police...and the fire department! Oh god, someone tell me what the phone number for 911 \is\?"

02:09:07 [paje]

rbm: i haven't a clue

02:09:10 [rbm]

CRAP!

02:09:29 [rbm]

paje: it's happenning again is <action> whispers..."Oh no, oh no...I'm gonna die, quick, someone call the police...and the fire department! Oh god, someone tell me what the phone number for 911 \is"

02:09:30 [paje]

i haven't a clue, rbm

02:09:41 [rbm]

It thinks I'm asking a question

02:11:10 [Psyork]

oh well, we'll be getting a new board for you...he can't go any lower than 80 shipped

02:11:31 [rbm]

:(

02:13:16 [Psyork]

i wanna know how the hell do people buy 115,000$ cars

02:14:17 [rbm]

with money

02:14:21 [Psyork]

well duh

02:14:23 [Psyork]

but dude...

02:14:44 [Psyork]

if a 34000$ comes out to like 800 on a 3 year finance

02:14:59 [Psyork]

I don't dare look how much it would be for a 115,000$ car

02:15:03 [Psyork]

oh..let's find out

02:15:20 [docwolf]

dude.. if you have to finance a $100k car, you shouldn't be thinking about it :-)

02:15:38 [rbm]

that's what I was going to say

02:15:49 [Psyork]

lol

02:15:50 [docwolf]

yet, people _do_ actually do it

02:15:54 [docwolf]

down here in boca raton

02:16:01 [docwolf]

there are lots of "high-end" used car lots

02:16:07 [docwolf]

with like ferarris with 2k miles

02:16:19 [docwolf]

clearly, these people spent beyond their means.

02:17:45 [Psyork]

ROFL!

02:17:51 [docwolf]

heh

02:17:56 [Psyork]

I can't believe this is actually an option

02:18:18 [Psyork]

Under Electronics: Motorolla V60 phone with voice control 2,045$

02:18:27 [docwolf]

!

02:18:31 [docwolf]

what car is that??

02:19:06 [Psyork]

Mercedes S600

02:19:12 [docwolf]

whoa

02:19:16 [docwolf]

scary.

02:19:25 [docwolf]

that new 7 series BMW is scary ugly

02:19:56 [docwolf]

i hope they aren't planning to make the 3 & 5 series look like that

02:20:21 [Psyork]

oh

02:20:23 [Psyork]

lol

02:20:26 [Psyork]

damn

02:20:39 [Psyork]

4,336$ montly payment for 3 years

02:20:44 [docwolf]

holy _crap_

02:21:03 [Psyork]

yeah no kidding

02:21:09 [docwolf]

that's to buy it?

02:21:12 [Psyork]

but leasing it is only 2500$ a month

02:21:22 [Psyork]

yeah that's to buy and 2500 to lease for 36 months

02:21:48 [Psyork]

Eh

02:21:57 [Psyork]

while I'm at it I might as well find out how much it is to lease a Porsche

02:22:10 [docwolf]

that is totally obnoxious pricing

02:22:13 [docwolf]

and the thing is...

02:22:17 [Psyork]

people pay

02:22:19 [docwolf]

you know this thing will blow up after 3 years

02:22:23 [docwolf]

it's too complicated

02:22:27 [Psyork]

lol

02:23:40 [Psyork]

shit

02:23:55 [Psyork]

I can probably take a trip to mexico and get a car for like 1/3 of what i would pay in US

02:24:57 [Psyork]

damn Porsche must be so damn expensive they don't even bother spending the money on the finance calculator

02:27:35 [docwolf]

haha

02:27:50 [docwolf]

porsches are odd ducks

02:28:06 [Psyork]

damn

02:28:09 [docwolf]

i drove one for many years, and it was infuriating

02:28:20 [Psyork]

It's so much more cost efficient to buy a Mustang GT it's rediculous

02:28:29 [docwolf]

yup

02:28:39 [Psyork]

I can buy a GT right now and not go broke

02:29:15 [docwolf]

the thing is

02:29:20 [docwolf]

people have preconceived notions

02:29:22 [Psyork]

hell, I can get a really nice convertible with all the options for a base price of the cheapest Benz

02:29:22 [docwolf]

of mustang drivers

02:29:23 [docwolf]

:-)

02:29:27 [Psyork]

Which is?

02:29:33 [docwolf]

c'mon.. you know

02:29:47 [docwolf]

if it's the 6 cyl, then you're probably a woman.

02:29:56 [docwolf]

if it's the 8 cyl, you are a sociopathic young man

02:30:11 [Psyork]

yep that sounds about right

02:30:32 [Psyork]

which is why I'd rather buy a 330i or a C series

02:30:38 [Psyork]

or a Lexus IS300

02:30:40 [docwolf]

yeah

02:30:52 [docwolf]

i have discovered happiness though

02:30:56 [Psyork]

But it's a lot more cost efficient to get a Mustang

02:31:04 [docwolf]

for south florida, the ultimate car

02:31:04 [Psyork]

Nearly the same speed

02:31:06 [docwolf]

is the miata

02:31:31 [Psyork]

yeah except even my Subaru is like an expedition to that car

02:31:34 [docwolf]

haha

02:31:37 [docwolf]

that's true

02:31:39 [docwolf]

but.. it's odd

02:31:44 [docwolf]

i've got a '93 miata..

02:31:50 [Psyork]

they're fast alright

02:31:51 [docwolf]

it's worth about $2k.. a total rattletrap

02:32:01 [docwolf]

but when the top is down, it's the nicest car to be in.

02:32:02 [rbm]

$2k?

02:32:09 [rbm]

That's it?

02:32:11 [docwolf]

yeah, this car has seen everything

02:32:17 [docwolf]

it's got like a bazillion miles on it

02:32:22 [Psyork]

Sounds like my hunk 'o junk

02:32:31 [rbm]

Mine has 180,000 miles

02:32:32 [Psyork]

Mine has 113,000

02:32:41 [docwolf]

i don't know how many the miata has

02:32:44 [docwolf]

b/c the odo doesn't really work

02:32:47 [Psyork]

It's been in 4 car accidents that I recall from the top of my head

02:32:55 [rbm]

Psyork: yikes

02:33:00 [Psyork]

yep

02:33:10 [Psyork]

let's see

02:33:22 [Psyork]

actually...make that 5

02:33:36 [Psyork]

two by me, two by my dad, and one by my mom

02:34:16 [Psyork]

first one, my dad backed out and some dumb woman was trying to steal a parking spot right behind him so he backed into her mirror and put a little dent on the trunk

02:34:56 [Psyork]

second one, my dad was going down the hill to take me to my SAT test...And some old geezer was tailgating us and bumped us in the back because he couldn't stop

02:35:21 [Psyork]

third, my mom made a little too wide of a turn and messed up the driver side front fender

02:35:55 [Psyork]

fourth, I was standing at a stop sign and I could have sworn the guy in front of me went into the big gap between cars when merging...he did not so I tapped him in the rear

02:36:28 [Psyork]

fifth...I was going through the parking lot in school and some dumb old witch woman backed out into the side of my car messing up both doors and the center I beam...2,000$ worth of damage

02:36:44 [hazmat]

paje: seen talli

02:36:45 [paje]

talli was last seen on #openacs 3 hours, 22 minutes and 30 seconds ago, saying: now move that shit! [Tue Jun 4 18:16:44 2002]

02:36:50 [Psyork]

I have pics of the last one

02:37:15 [Psyork]

my car looked like old man's glasses...had a huge dent on the driver side

02:41:05 [docwolf]

if you want to be the mac daddy

02:41:09 [docwolf]

forget the new car

02:41:10 [docwolf]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1832870770

02:41:11 [oacs-chump]

D: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1832870770 from docwolf

02:41:18 [docwolf]

this is another one that i almost bought

02:41:22 [docwolf]

but then realized

02:41:28 [docwolf]

that my mechanical skills weren't up to it.

02:42:21 [docwolf]

the espada was the only 4-seat lambo

02:42:36 [Psyork]

:)

02:42:38 [Psyork]

I can't fix it

02:42:44 [docwolf]

hehe

02:42:47 [docwolf]

sigh

02:42:49 [rbm]

Psyork: That athlon is in Jamaica now.

02:42:59 [Psyork]

oh

02:43:00 [Psyork]

lol

02:43:07 [rbm]

Jamaica, NY :-)

02:43:11 [Psyork]

For a second there I was like..."Jamaica?" what the hell

02:43:27 [Psyork]

yeah, they sent it letter so it would be here tomorrow

02:44:08 [Psyork]

btw, reason I haven't sent the stuff yet...is because I figured I'd rather make one shipment of 15$ than 2 shipments of 10$ each

02:45:23 [docwolf]

oh my god

02:45:25 [docwolf]

that is some case

02:45:56 [Psyork]

:)

02:46:16 [docwolf]

that must have taken forever to build

02:46:19 [Psyork]

that's not all of it

02:46:28 [Psyork]

not really

02:46:41 [Psyork]

I would say about 4-5 manhour days

02:46:45 [Psyork]

errr

02:46:52 [Psyork]

about 60 man hours

02:47:11 [docwolf]

nice

02:47:12 [Psyork]

not including my drive time to NJ of course

02:47:12 [docwolf]

wow

02:47:39 [Psyork]

it took us about 5 hours to cut the windows and mount the Lexan and Acrylic

02:48:02 [Psyork]

then the wiring for the fans and lights

02:48:07 [Psyork]

and lastly the vinyl

02:48:20 [docwolf]

amazing

02:48:32 [Psyork]

at some point I might get it airbrushed but that might be expensive

02:48:48 [docwolf]

yeah

02:49:00 [Psyork]

heh, I just finished the El wiring last night ... i wired it wrong the first time around

02:49:05 [Psyork]

to +5 and -5

02:49:10 [Psyork]

not +12 and -12

02:49:49 [Psyork]

There are 3 cold cathode lights...1 12" red and 1 12" blue...and a mini 4" one...operated by the 3 toggle switches on top

02:50:01 [Psyork]

the EL wiring on the front is mounted to the 4th switch

02:50:38 [Psyork]

i have one spare switch just in case....now..onto the insides :)

02:50:52 [Psyork]

It's powered by a 400W Antec Power Supply btw

02:52:31 [Psyork]

specs: Athlon 1800XP overclocked to 2000XP (FSB @ 144), 256MB PC2700 Samsung, Soyo Ultra Dragon Kt333 board, 60GB Maxtor Fluid Bearing Quiet Drive, 40/12/48x CD-RW, 16x DVD, GeForc2 MX 200, NewQ Digital Equalizer, SB Live! 5.1 value..some generic NIC

02:53:32 [Psyork]

I think I might try getting that stuff they use for window tinting...that will keep the window looking silverish until the lights on the inside are turned on

02:54:32 [rbm]

wow

02:55:29 [Psyork]

I would like to get 2 more hard drives and a 4th Cold Cathode light but I'm afraid that might be a bit too much juice for the 400W P/S to handle

03:01:33 [Psyork]

geez

03:01:45 [Psyork]

Is this like my luck or am I shopping wrong...

03:02:02 [Psyork]

Even a piece of crap Hyundai Tiburon is 20,000$

03:04:51 [Psyork]

heh

03:05:00 [Psyork]

cool....Honda has a "reverse finance" calculator

03:05:16 [Psyork]

you tell it how much you wanna pay and for how long and it tells you what you can buy or lease

03:06:14 [Psyork]

but I'll be damned if I drive a Honda Civic

03:07:19 [Psyork]

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* mbr heads to bed

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06:11:52 [ChanServ]

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06:31:52 [denshi]

http://www.theonion.com/onion3821/science_hard.html

06:31:52 [oacs-chump]

E: http://www.theonion.com/onion3821/science_hard.html from denshi

06:32:14 [denshi]

E: National Science Foundation: Science Hard"

06:32:14 [oacs-chump]

added comment E1

06:35:46 [lilo]

[GlobalNotice] Hi all. We just experienced a split in a main rotation server and reconnection difficulties which we're currently analyzing. Apologies for the inconvenience.

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11:48:12 [davb]

hi there

12:06:53 [mbr]

:)

12:07:21 [mbr]

* mbr pretends to be his father

12:12:32 [davb]

This is scary "Now, if I could just solve my problem of getting Dreamweaver MX to search an Oracle database using ColdFusion MX.... (If you've done this successfully, please contact me!!!!!)"

12:12:52 [davb]

Oracle gurus using real programming langauges can't do this.

12:13:06 [mbr]

is that you or some hobo?

12:13:36 [davb]

?

12:13:43 [davb]

is that your father talking?

12:13:48 [davb]

no it is someone's weblog.

12:13:56 [mbr]

oh lol

12:13:59 [davb]

who is seriously in over their head.

12:18:06 [mbr]

lol

12:18:09 [mbr]

fools

12:18:15 [mbr]

at nys

12:18:24 [davb]

really, now what?

12:19:08 [mbr]

nothing

12:19:10 [mbr]

just changed my plates

12:19:11 [mbr]

lol

12:19:13 [mbr]

foooooools

12:19:18 [mbr]

brb...need a shower

12:19:31 [mbr]

can't go to condemn people to hell being smelly

12:19:38 [mbr]

:-D

12:19:46 [davb]

uh.... ok

12:23:28 [davb]

argh

12:23:32 [davb]

stupid static-pages

12:30:56 [mbr]

yeah damn them! daaaamn them :)

12:31:40 [mbr]

you think this is worthy of being displayed on someone's Picture of the Day site in the scenic category? http://www.pbase.com/image/2233855/medium

12:32:22 [davb]

i forgot postgresql 7.2 has create or replace, yay!

12:32:44 [mbr]

:)

12:32:48 [davb]

go to photo.net

12:32:52 [davb]

you have much to learn

12:32:58 [mbr]

lol

12:32:58 [davb]

but you are pretty good already.

12:33:07 [davb]

those pictures of the day will blow you away.

12:33:16 [davb]

check out photographica.org

12:33:28 [davb]

I am a member, but I haven't posted in a long time.

12:33:44 [davb]

BTW, i found a dual compact flash/smartmedia reader for $25

12:34:03 [mbr]

nice

12:34:18 [mbr]

i'm not ready for the big boys at photo.net

12:34:56 [mbr]

I stick to the Olympus forum on dpreview and bestfoto.net

12:34:58 [davb]

well some of those guys ahev $5000 cameras etc.

12:35:09 [mbr]

exactly

12:35:13 [davb]

some of those guys have $2000 tripods

12:35:20 [mbr]

heh

12:36:06 [mbr]

btw...I don't think I'm good :)

12:36:18 [mbr]

Probably comes from the fact it's hard to judge your own work

12:36:21 [davb]

you have a good eye.

12:36:29 [mbr]

I'm also half blind :-D

12:36:33 [davb]

plus you are willing to take alot of photos

12:36:35 [mbr]

Without my glasses

12:37:06 [mbr]

heh...it's digital...I don't incur any extra costs taking 400 shots...vs say 24 shots

12:37:27 [mbr]

just time

12:37:35 [mbr]

Time I don't do anything useful with anyway

12:38:40 [davb]

hmmmm.

12:38:55 [davb]

openfts or int.so is crashing my postgresql

12:38:57 [davb]

weird.

12:39:03 [davb]

i must have screwed something up.

12:39:37 [mbr]

i gotta go

12:39:40 [mbr]

damn jury duty

12:39:45 [davb]

ok, have fun

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13:21:43 [davb]

argh

13:21:45 [davb]

argh

13:21:46 [davb]

argh

13:21:48 [davb]

argh

13:21:50 [davb]

arhg

13:21:51 [davb]

arhg

13:21:52 [davb]

arhg

13:22:41 [shagster]

* shagster flicks davb's ear. "Wake up, you dreaming of Bill Gates again"

13:23:15 [davb]

heh

13:23:29 [davb]

no, postgresql 7.2 and openfts don't seemt o want to play together.

13:24:04 [shagster]

I haven't tried that yet....I just finally got around to install a cvs check of openacs-4.5 :)

13:25:03 [davb]

well, i screwed up probably because I tried to update a 7.1 database to 7.2 that already had openfts installed.

13:25:38 [shagster]

Hmmm...I really dont' think that is going to work

13:26:53 [davb]

yeah, so it looks like my database is kinda hosed. at least as far as search is concerenced.

13:27:02 [davb]

it is looking for a non-existent library.

13:27:08 [shagster]

Well, restore from backup

13:27:25 [davb]

sure, but the icky stuff was already in there afaict

13:27:32 [davb]

very confusing.

13:27:40 [davb]

brb, access calls

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13:42:48 [davb]

hi denshi

13:42:57 [denshi]

agent davb, hello

13:43:52 [davb]

ok, i am reloading my database again

13:44:19 [davb]

perhaps one of these days I can get search working.

13:44:26 [davb]

then I can upgrade to openacs 4.5

13:46:11 [davb]

darn, i fixed something yesteryday, and now i forgot what it was.

13:47:01 [davb]

ok, break time

14:15:20 [davb]

hmmm

14:15:30 [davb]

i recompiled the openfts driver for postgresql 7.2

14:17:27 [davb]

might i have to recompile my postgres.so?

14:18:47 [davb]

didn't help

14:18:50 [davb]

darn

14:19:06 [davb]

something is crashing my postgresql

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14:33:05 [davb]

ok it seems I have followed the instructions

14:33:08 [davb]

but it still crashes

14:34:58 [denshi]

attach gdb and get a backtrace

14:36:18 [davb]

I will have to.

14:36:23 [davb]

oh the joy of debugging

14:37:03 [davb]

hmmm. can I attach it to postgresql so it will track all the backends?

14:40:29 [denshi]

hmm. try running postgresql with one backend, and attach to that

14:41:25 [davb]

ok sounds good.

14:41:37 [davb]

I think I need to crash it from psql instead of aolserver.

14:41:47 [davb]

wait, I can do that.

14:41:50 [davb]

:)

14:45:36 [davb]

hmmm, i can't seem to see a way to run just one postmaster

14:45:38 [davb]

darn

14:47:07 [davb]

Attaching to process 24348

14:47:14 [davb]

ptrace: Operation not permitted.

14:47:17 [davb]

darn

14:50:11 [davb]

ah, needed to be root

14:52:16 [davb]

that doesn't seem to work either.

15:15:33 [denshi]

my referer logs are beginning to creep me out

15:16:16 [davb]

you have a web site?

15:17:54 [denshi]

there's not much up since I tore out a couple apps I demoed there

15:19:00 [denshi]

but recently my logs have been talking smack about all kinds of people from my past checking it out. it's like "shoo! you can see it when you get the beta note!"

15:20:09 [davb]

ah

15:20:27 [davb]

90% of my hits are from robots.

15:20:42 [davb]

almost noone actually reads it, but google loves it because chump has a new page every day.

15:21:19 [davb]

ok. I am narrowing down wich part of the query is crashing postgresql.

15:21:51 [denshi]

hub.org blocks some of the more annoying robots, I think

15:22:16 [davb]

i would too, but otherwise i'd get like 2 visitors a day.

15:23:03 [denshi]

and that would be me and... your mom?

15:23:13 [davb]

no me

15:23:15 [davb]

:)

15:23:27 [davb]

actually I never told my mom I have a web site.

15:23:42 [davb]

even when the server was in her garage.

15:23:53 [davb]

anyway, i fixed it.

15:24:15 [davb]

apparently the relkov.so that comes precompiled with 7.2 doesn't work, i switched it with the openfts compiled one, ad it seems to not crash

15:26:47 [davb]

yeah! a different error!

15:28:35 [davb]

weird, it didn't read my query file.

15:33:22 [davb]

aha, it works, but my weblog service contract implementation is broken

15:34:09 [davb]

darn, still broken

15:52:11 [davb]

weird

15:52:35 [denshi]

ever seen this error?: "dereferencing pointer to incomplete type"

15:52:52 [davb]

in C. is it an error or warning?

15:53:14 [denshi]

error, sadly

15:53:37 [davb]

sounds familiar, but I wouldn't know what it means or how to fix it :(

15:56:57 [davb]

shit

15:57:14 [davb]

i'll have to fix search, or someone will.

15:57:23 [davb]

it grabs non-live cr_revisions and index them.

15:59:57 [davb]

ah.

16:05:43 [davb]

i see.

16:05:53 [davb]

stuff in the "trash" magic folder is no deindexed

16:06:44 [davb]

ah

16:06:45 [davb]

fixed it.

16:06:58 [davb]

I'll have to write a trigger for that, or finish up etp 2.0

16:09:32 [davb]

oops.

16:12:06 [davb]

ok, i think i got rid of all the bogus entries in the index.

16:12:25 [davb]

search on thedesignexperience.org is officially open

16:13:19 [davb]

time for lunch

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16:39:04 [denshi]

I think gcc is just flat-out lying to me

16:39:48 [mbr]

* mbr eats food

16:39:49 [davb]

heh

16:39:57 [davb]

gcc --no-lying

16:39:58 [mbr]

* mbr accidentally bites dave

16:41:47 [mbr]

anything good on tv at this ungodly hour when people usually work?

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16:46:01 [mbr]

sweeeet!

16:46:07 [mbr]

The best of bars

16:46:10 [mbr]

just the show for me

16:51:36 [mbr]

paje seen rbm

16:51:36 [paje]

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16:59:02 [mbr]

paje, seen davb

16:59:02 [paje]

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17:00:58 [davb]

http://www.megapixel.net/html/articles/adobeps7.html

17:00:58 [oacs-chump]

F: http://www.megapixel.net/html/articles/adobeps7.html from davb

17:01:13 [davb]

F:| Photoshop 7 at megapixel.net

17:01:13 [oacs-chump]

titled item F

17:01:47 [mbr]

Dave

17:01:57 [mbr]

I forgot...lol

17:03:30 [mbr]

oh...right

17:03:51 [mbr]

Is it odd/wrong for me to call up the Department of Health and see how my local chinese restaurant is in terms of violations?

17:03:58 [mbr]

Or is it one of those things that you just "don't want to know"

17:04:02 [davb]

i would think not.

17:04:06 [davb]

oh, maybe B

17:04:11 [rbm]

ooom

17:04:27 [mbr]

hey rbm

17:04:36 [mbr]

Guess what game via FedEx today

17:04:36 [rbm]

hey mbr

17:04:53 [rbm]

Delivered RONKONKOMA NY 06/05/2002 13:49

17:05:00 [mbr]

:)

17:05:04 [rbm]

(:

17:06:00 [mbr]

yup

17:06:09 [mbr]

It came in a spiffy little black box with an AMD logo

17:06:14 [mbr]

I think I'm gonna keep it :)

17:06:24 [mbr]

You getting a nice clear plastic one with foam

17:06:38 [mbr]

it being the box

17:08:32 [rbm]

mbr: a clear plastic what?

17:08:35 [denshi]

turns out gcc wasn't lying, it was just incompetent

17:09:02 [mbr]

plastic box

17:09:22 [davb]

how can i find out what columns are in a table in oracle?

17:09:31 [davb]

* davb misses d

17:09:50 [rbm]

davb: describe table

17:10:24 [davb]

neat, thanks

17:10:54 [rbm]

desc table works too

17:11:49 [davb]

cool

17:12:36 [mbr]

heh

17:12:43 [mbr]

I like the local chinese place

17:12:50 [mbr]

they actually make your soup from scratch

17:12:59 [mbr]

At least Hot & Sour soup

17:27:12 [denshi]

hook me up, mbr

17:27:47 [davb]

mozilla 1.0 has been served

17:28:13 [mbr]

sorry dude I ate it all

17:30:53 [mbr]

lol...guy just made a jackass out of himself

17:31:43 [mbr]

"Name something someone would wear on a hot day that would..." guy buzzes in and says Tanktop...(Louie finishes the question)..."make you say...are you nuts?"

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17:36:18 [denshi]

mbr, you need to stop watching TV and get back to work buying me hardware

17:37:39 [davb]

http://www.illogicz.com/flashmx/texteditor/

17:37:39 [oacs-chump]

G: http://www.illogicz.com/flashmx/texteditor/ from davb

17:37:48 [davb]

G:|Rich Text Editor in Flash MX

17:37:48 [oacs-chump]

titled item G

17:37:50 [davb]

G: wow!

17:37:50 [oacs-chump]

added comment G1

17:38:02 [denshi]

yes!

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It works!

17:38:40 [denshi]

paje, who rules is | <reply> denshi *rules* Necropolis

17:38:40 [paje]

denshi: bugger all, i dunno

17:38:45 [denshi]

crap

17:46:06 [cro]

davb: Is that RT editor downloadable? There is no download link? And does it output stuff in HTML so we could use it for things like ETP and BBoard?

17:46:21 [davb]

not sure.

17:46:27 [davb]

i didn't check, but it looks cool :)

17:47:01 [cro]

It does indeed

17:47:54 [rbm]

I think I'll end up with a K7T266

17:48:04 [cro]

rbm: I think that's what I have.

17:49:30 [davb]

i think you could save the swf file. not sure what you could do with it after that.

17:49:48 [cro]

rbm: nevermind, it's an

17:49:53 [cro]

A7V266-E

17:52:23 [cro]

But I like the Asus product a lot --it's been very stable for me.

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18:10:51 [davb]

http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6107&mode=&order=0

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H: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6107&mode=&order=0 from davb

18:10:53 [davb]

hi talli

18:11:03 [davb]

H:|Getting to know your fonts [for Linux]

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titled item H

18:13:59 [rbm]

brb

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19:41:38 [denshi]

man, these hub.org guys are just out of their element

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ex: /dev/amrd1s1a 66972328 64055936 -1101947 102% /v1

20:11:51 [shagster]

hah

20:12:07 [denshi]

it's getting worse:

20:12:14 [denshi]

> df .

20:12:15 [denshi]

Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on

20:12:16 [denshi]

/dev/amrd1s1a 66972328 64147038 -1193049 102% /v1

20:12:49 [denshi]

from this I infer that a process in root is writing into the spare space on disc

20:13:10 [shagster]

One hopes..

20:15:58 [denshi]

or a giant canadian robot is filling the server with porn

20:16:39 [shagster]

WooHoo!

20:17:38 [denshi]

the best part is that I can't even submit a trouble ticket because the ticket server can't get space on disc

20:17:50 [shagster]

catch 22

20:20:37 [denshi]

so my best hope might be to hack the newfoundland power grid, forcing a reboot, thus getting the hub guys to look at the boot logs and noticing the discs are full

20:21:23 [shagster]

Sure. Just in case though, I'll be your alibi :->

20:21:58 [denshi]

okay, just to coordinate- we were locked in steamy passion in a st. louis hotel

20:22:27 [shagster]

No, we are getting drunk with stippers at a Cleveland Strip joint

20:24:52 [denshi]

we could be piloting the attack sub of the Kentucky Navy

20:25:30 [shagster]

Or our plans to overtake Canada

20:27:44 [denshi]

yeah, the Kentucky thing is really training

20:28:09 [shagster]

Of course...

20:28:28 [denshi]

"and after the spanking..."

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20:29:35 [denshi]

* denshi snickers

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20:30:29 [shagster]

*grr*

20:31:05 [denshi]

* denshi snickers

20:31:49 [shagster]

the spanking think got me

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23:23:32 [mbr]

paje, how do I spell recipie

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23:53:56 [davb]

hi

23:56:29 [davb]

mbr: dictionary.com

23:56:31 [davb]

or google

23:56:44 [davb]

so what is a master boot record doing in IRC anyway?

23:58:41 [davb]

wow.

23:58:41 [davb]

good thing i have the UPS working

23:58:41 [davb]

big storm