IRC log of openacs on 2002-05-24

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01:04:47 [rbm]
paje: see Psychephylax
01:04:52 [paje]
rbm: excuse me?
01:04:52 [rbm]
paje: seen Psychephylax
01:04:52 [paje]
Psychephylax was last seen on #openacs 1 days, 3 hours, 53 minutes and 42 seconds ago, saying: goes away [Wed May 22 15:12:06 2002]
01:04:53 [rbm]
wow
01:09:30 [lethedrinker]
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01:09:54 [davb]
rbm: you are working on and openacs project now?
01:13:03 [rbm]
davb: yes.
01:13:15 [rbm]
OACS 4 is really nice
01:13:18 [rbm]
* rbm goes to shower
01:17:31 [davb]
hmmm, i am crashing aolserver, with stacksize=500000
01:21:41 [rbm]
why so high?
01:22:00 [rbm]
do you have a lot of ram?
01:23:43 [davb]
well 512mb.
01:23:51 [davb]
that is the minimum for openacs 4
01:24:02 [davb]
its 500000 bytes
01:24:25 [davb]
wow, that is more than a whole computer used to have :)
01:26:12 [rbm]
davb: Not true. I run OACS 4 with stacksize= 131072
01:26:22 [rbm]
don't ask me where I got that number from.
01:26:33 [davb]
that is the default in vinods sample tcl file.
01:26:34 [davb]
:)
01:26:38 [rbm]
oh, right :)
01:26:43 [davb]
you may run into a problem.
01:26:47 [rbm]
* rbm goes out
01:26:52 [davb]
ETP can overflow that stack.
01:26:56 [davb]
also dotlrn will....
01:28:01 [rbm]
hmm
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01:46:29 [davb]
if microsoft code contains a flaw that could be exploited if the code is disclosed, isn't the code still vunerable?
01:46:41 [davb]
shouldn't they just fix it?
01:46:55 [davb]
ow, my brains hurts. this is worse than reading slashdot....
02:02:24 [davb]
rbm: zoran says he has ideas on how to fix aolserver. but he didn't share them...
02:16:12 [davb]
ok, well, i'll be back tomorrow...
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02:57:36 [Psychephylax]
doh
02:57:41 [Psychephylax]
roll call!
02:57:41 [paje]
I'm here!
02:57:59 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax pokes rbm and talli with paje
03:01:23 [beezo]
hey
03:01:54 [Psychephylax]
sup
03:44:20 [lethedrinker]
paje: seen god
03:44:20 [paje]
I haven't seen 'god', lethedrinker
03:44:34 [lethedrinker]
paje: seen rats
03:44:35 [paje]
I haven't seen 'rats', lethedrinker
03:44:46 [lethedrinker]
paje: dance
03:44:46 [paje]
lethedrinker: i'm not following you...
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04:50:20 [rbm]
paje: dance
04:50:20 [paje]
* paje shakes his booties
04:51:23 [beezo]
what's the celebration for?
04:53:12 [rbm]
nothing :)
04:53:29 [rbm]
just saw what lethedrinker said to paje
04:53:31 [beezo]
i think i like gentoo more than debian
04:53:47 [beezo]
gentoo takes a whole loooooooong time to install
04:53:52 [lethedrinker]
beezo: why?
04:53:54 [beezo]
but it works! with no trouble!
04:54:02 [beezo]
and it *screams*
04:54:15 [beezo]
portage is really very very nice
04:54:18 [lethedrinker]
i recently had a discussion with a debian guy, who went ape on me for talking about gentoo.
04:54:28 [lethedrinker]
of course portage is nice its written in python ;-)
04:54:32 [lethedrinker]
* lethedrinker ducks
04:54:33 [beezo]
haha
04:54:42 [beezo]
yeah, well debian was written in perl, right?
04:54:52 [beezo]
language of the day...
04:54:53 [lethedrinker]
apt is c and perl and afaik.
04:55:13 [rbm]
apt is C++
04:55:17 [rbm]
AFAIK, no perl
04:55:24 [beezo]
portage is basically the same since it's python and bash (which i imagine is C)
04:55:57 [beezo]
anyway, portage is really slick. checks for dependencies and installs those if need be
04:56:02 [rbm]
gotta got get a CD. bbi 20 mins
04:56:09 [beezo]
the nice thing, though, is that it builds everything from sources
04:56:16 [beezo]
so it takes a *long* time
04:56:33 [beezo]
like i started building KDE this morning and it was finally ready around 8 pm
04:56:40 [beezo]
but once it's done it just *works*
04:57:06 [beezo]
debian mostly works, but it seems i've had to fight it a bit
04:57:20 [beezo]
like, a lot of apt-get install -f
04:58:02 [beezo]
i've had three bugs with installing gentoo, two which were very very minor and had very very easy fixes and one that was totally my fault (compiled the wrong kernel)
04:58:15 [beezo]
otherwise, it's been a breeze building and installing stuff, although it takes a long time
04:59:13 [beezo]
it's optimized for fast computers, though
04:59:23 [beezo]
so it would be murder installing on something less than a 686
04:59:50 [beezo]
and don't try it with a slow net connection
05:00:18 [beezo]
i'm getting 90Kb/sec downloads, and still i plan on sleeping through a lot of installations
06:01:48 [denshi]
goodnight, nerds
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06:37:31 [rbm]
beezo: I've _never_ had to use "-f" with apt-get.
06:37:48 [rbm]
beezo: maybe you're too used to using "--force" to overcome rpm crap
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12:15:41 [Psychephylax]
hmmmm
12:15:43 [Psychephylax]
mornings are evil
12:57:29 [davb]
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12:57:34 [davb]
hi there
13:02:50 [Psychephylax]
hey dave
13:04:17 [Psychephylax]
Man, I wish someone bought me the FL-40
13:07:16 [davb]
what's that?
13:07:16 [paje]
that is not true
13:08:05 [Psychephylax]
It's an Olympus Flash
13:08:09 [Psychephylax]
but it's like 300$
13:13:35 [davb]
wow
13:40:44 [davb]
argh
13:44:17 [Psychephylax]
yup
13:44:29 [Psychephylax]
but it interfaces with the camera a lot more than a regular flash
13:48:21 [davb]
right. the built in one is not adequate for the zoom?
13:50:30 [davb]
argh
13:50:57 [davb]
there is no way to perform a query in VBA for Access that does not return any rows. I want to see if something exists, if not insert it.
13:51:36 [davb]
nm, i figured out a way.
13:51:43 [davb]
not my favorite way, but it will work :)
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14:18:08 [davb]
yeah! it works
14:26:06 [davb]
http://www.outreach.washington.edu/openuw/asp/transform.asp?course=Jazz&xml=jazz_intro1
14:26:07 [oacs-chump]
A: http://www.outreach.washington.edu/openuw/asp/transform.asp?course=Jazz&xml=jazz_intro1 from davb
15:01:26 [Psychephylax]
heh
15:01:32 [Psychephylax]
jury duty was fast today
15:03:20 [davb]
i bet
15:05:23 [Psychephylax]
:)
15:12:26 [rbm]
ooom
15:13:11 [Psychephylax]
ooom!
15:20:39 [Psychephylax]
Roberto
15:20:51 [Psychephylax]
Do you want me to send you the stuff now, or wait until I get more stuff
15:31:05 [rbm]
Psychephylax: send now I guess.
15:31:10 [Psychephylax]
ok
15:31:23 [Psychephylax]
once i get money for FedEx ;-)
15:32:04 [rbm]
FedEx? Why FedEx? USPS works just fine.
15:32:32 [Psychephylax]
I dislike UPS and USPS
15:32:46 [Psychephylax]
Inefficient lying fools
15:36:20 [rbm]
lying?
15:38:33 [Psychephylax]
Eh
15:38:42 [Psychephylax]
They always lie when things break
15:44:03 [rbm]
hmm. Well, can you send it for me to pay here?
15:46:07 [Psychephylax]
What do you mean
15:53:05 [rbm]
the fedex cost
15:53:18 [Psychephylax]
oh, don't worry I'll pay for s&h
15:53:29 [Psychephylax]
I have a fedex account so it will just get charged to my credit card
15:56:51 [markd2]
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15:56:58 [Psychephylax]
hey mark
15:57:05 [markd2]
paje, seen davb?
15:57:05 [paje]
davb was last seen on #openacs 53 minutes and 44 seconds ago, saying: i bet [Fri May 24 09:04:18 2002]
15:57:06 [markd2]
y
15:57:10 [markd2]
yo
15:57:12 [Psychephylax]
oy
15:57:13 [Psychephylax]
y
15:57:18 [markd2]
o!
15:57:39 [Psychephylax]
¿º
15:59:04 [denshi]
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15:59:08 [markd2]
¥ö
15:59:26 [denshi]
morning
16:13:41 [davb]
hey, who's looking for me?
16:17:32 [markd2]
* markd2 waves his hand
16:18:19 [davb]
hi mark
16:19:57 [beezo]
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16:20:15 [beezo]
boogle chach
16:20:48 [rbm]
beezo: let me repeat something I said last night that I don't think you picked up
16:20:53 [beezo]
i saw it
16:21:02 [rbm]
Oh, okay then.
16:21:02 [beezo]
i think the prob is that i didn't know my hardware
16:21:14 [rbm]
shouldn't matter for apt
16:21:24 [beezo]
but i've had major problems upgrading
16:21:40 [beezo]
doing apt-get upgrade dist-upgrade always results in some packages being held back
16:21:41 [rbm]
Hmmm, trying to install Dungeon Siege on this P2 233 is not going well.
16:21:48 [rbm]
beezo: So?
16:21:48 [paje]
well, So is going to the play a bit like try before you buy ?
16:22:17 [beezo]
so the result is that i need to do apt-get install -f or apt-get upgrade -f
16:22:34 [rbm]
beezo: No, the result is that you're not trusting the tools.
16:22:58 [beezo]
i would be happy to trust the tools if they installed what i wanted to be installed
16:23:24 [rbm]
beezo: If the packages are being held back, it is because there's probably currently a dependency issue (some other packages need to be upgraded before these ones can) or the packages are marked to be held.
16:23:47 [rbm]
beezo: You asked it to upgrade, not install anything. It's upgrading in the safest way it sees.
16:23:54 [beezo]
well, that's kind of the prob. even if i do a dependency check stuff wasn't getting in
16:24:01 [beezo]
anyway, i'm digging gentoo
16:24:07 [beezo]
i wasn't crapping on debian
16:24:11 [beezo]
don't get defensive
16:24:15 [rbm]
I never said you were.
16:24:20 [beezo]
ok
16:24:35 [rbm]
I'm not. I'm trying to clear a misconception you might have.
16:24:47 [davb]
beezo: somewhere something is screwed up.
16:24:52 [davb]
:)
16:25:06 [davb]
I had that problem when I had parts of ximian gnome on my system.
16:27:54 [rbm]
beezo: You should read this: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html
16:29:13 [davb]
i keep forgetting, debian has great documentation...:)
16:29:33 [markd2]
doc... doc... documen.. wow. what weird words you use!
16:35:29 [rbm]
There's gotta be something wrong with my machine... Dungeon siege has been installing for over 20 minutens.
16:37:12 [rbm]
what's win2k's equivalent of fdisk?
16:38:16 [miguel]
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16:38:31 [miguel]
hello guys!!
16:38:54 [rbm]
hello
16:39:02 [rbm]
paje: say hi to miguel
16:39:11 [rbm]
paje: dance
16:39:11 [paje]
* paje shakes his booties
16:40:56 [denshi]
paje, attack!
16:40:56 [paje]
* paje bites Mark's ankle
16:41:01 [miguel]
thanks rbm
16:41:06 [miguel]
paje?
16:41:06 [paje]
miguel?
16:41:19 [miguel]
are you spanish or something?
16:41:36 [denshi]
I think he's like perlish or something.
16:41:43 [denshi]
paje, who are you?
16:41:44 [paje]
somebody said i was a silly bot
16:41:46 [denshi]
paje, who are you?
16:41:46 [paje]
i am probably a silly bot
16:41:47 [denshi]
paje, who are you?
16:41:48 [paje]
i am the medicine man and oracle in Amazonian tribes
16:42:12 [miguel]
is paje a bot?
16:42:41 [denshi]
you know, whether paje is the bot or rbm is the bot is still an open question
16:42:51 [markd2]
I think they share a hive mind
16:42:55 [denshi]
but paje does seem to have more regular syntax
16:43:06 [markd2]
rbm: spank talli!
16:43:14 [markd2]
paje: again!
16:43:14 [paje]
* paje spanks talli
16:43:17 [denshi]
markd2: with rbm installing dungeon siege, they certainly will be sharing a hive mind
16:43:19 [markd2]
paje has better reflexes
16:43:19 [paje]
markd2: sorry...
16:43:27 [miguel]
ok roberto, i am about to start over again, i quitted the project where i was and i am going to install openacs 4.x, any recommendations?
16:43:35 [denshi]
nothing to apologize for, paje
16:43:35 [rbm]
markd2: Yeah!
16:43:35 [paje]
denshi: what?
16:44:21 [rbm]
miguel: Follow Vinod's install documents :-) http://openacs.org/doc/
16:44:50 [miguel]
ok, thanks i will do that
16:45:01 [miguel]
what about the ones in infogettable or something like that?
16:47:53 [rbm]
?
16:48:11 [miguel]
i think was something started by ola
16:49:33 [denshi]
beezo, you here?
16:49:42 [beezo]
yo
16:49:44 [denshi]
paje, attack beezo
16:49:44 [paje]
denshi: what?
16:49:52 [beezo]
what's up? how did the LUG meeting go?
16:49:59 [denshi]
rbm, paje needs a <attack> operator
16:50:01 [beezo]
paje, denshi is a tyrant
16:50:01 [paje]
...but denshi is the most off-beat genius you ever knew; he's so iconoclastic he's clastic....
16:50:18 [denshi]
the LUG meeting went reasonably well
16:50:27 [beezo]
did everyone bow to you afterwards?
16:50:36 [denshi]
it was really wierd, the amount of ground I had to cover for different groups
16:51:32 [denshi]
like I got bogged down in explaining processes/threads/memory allocation/concurrency/IPC/etc/etc/etc/etc
16:52:25 [denshi]
so by the time I got the 'new toys' bit everyone was either bitter that I had knocked their favorite tools or just gibbering from the amount of new data to assimilate
16:53:35 [markd2]
was this some kind of presentation to a LUG?
16:54:19 [denshi]
yeah
16:54:30 [denshi]
about 35 people showed
16:54:32 [markd2]
* markd2 is a LUG nut
16:55:13 [denshi]
I managed to tank when explaining memozied functions with a global cache
16:55:37 [denshi]
which I found pretty ironic
17:01:59 [rbm]
okay, so a couple days ago Win2K said I was "running low on disk space" and asked if I wanted to compress seldom-used files. I said yes. Now how do I find out what it compressed and how do I uncompress it?
17:02:37 [davb]
heh
17:02:40 [davb]
its a secret.
17:02:56 [davb]
it would compromise national security if they told you where they went.
17:03:12 [davb]
rbm: did you find the fdisk-like function in win2k?
17:03:32 [rbm]
no
17:03:43 [beezo]
rbm: what do you want to do?
17:03:52 [davb]
i think its in system tools->disk manager or soemthing like that
17:04:03 [davb]
I am on XP and I can't find anything to manage a disk.
17:04:26 [beezo]
paje, XP SUCKS!!!!!
17:04:26 [paje]
beezo: sorry...
17:04:31 [beezo]
XP SUCKS!!!!
17:04:34 [beezo]
paje, XP?
17:04:35 [paje]
XP is user friendly enough to make it impossible to get inside if you need to.
17:04:41 [beezo]
?????
17:04:47 [davb]
heh
17:04:49 [beezo]
who the hell told paje that?
17:04:49 [markd2]
paje is a microsoft shill
17:04:52 [davb]
me
17:05:08 [rbm]
beezo: Trying to find out if the files 2K compressed are the culprit for the slowness
17:05:09 [beezo]
davb is a microsoft shill
17:05:18 [beezo]
ah, i se
17:05:19 [beezo]
see
17:05:55 [davb]
aigh. on XP its control Panel->computer management->storage->disk management
17:08:58 [davb]
argh, those idiots
17:09:18 [davb]
at Empire State College just offered me a bunch of financial aid, but last week said they couldn't accept my application
17:09:18 [rbm]
davb: same on 2k
17:09:32 [davb]
rbm: cool.
17:09:55 [rbm]
Still I can't find anything about the compressed files, but at least I found out how to defragment my drive
17:11:01 [davb]
rbm: they wanted to make it easy, by not bothering you with that information :)
17:12:00 [rbm]
whatevec
17:12:08 [rbm]
s/whatevec/whatever/
17:13:11 [rbm]
aigh. Verizon is taking windows to cellulars
17:15:20 [davb]
rbm: try this: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q253597
17:15:22 [rbm]
So yesterday GM Brazil fired 33 and warned 111 for circulating porn e-mail within the company
17:15:41 [rbm]
Today GM re-hired 18 of the 33 that were fired because "they are too qualified to let go"
17:15:59 [markd2]
carte blanche for porn! woo hoo!
17:16:49 [davb]
so they probably should have let the others go anyway....
17:17:27 [rbm]
it should be noticed that GM Brazil had been warning employees about porn e-mail for months
17:19:05 [rbm]
One thing I really dislike about Brazil is that after the military dictatorship ended in the 80s, everybody was sick and tired of censorship, so they decided to completely abolish it.
17:19:33 [rbm]
As a result, free TV shows stuff at noon that MTV usually shows at 8 PM
17:19:42 [rbm]
s/that/what/
17:21:35 [rbm]
There's a "varieties" show that goes on sunday afternoons where competitors have water guns to spray tight t-shirts of models without bras to "uncover" a secret message written on their chests.
17:23:04 [denshi]
what, you've never tried that?
17:23:38 [denshi]
word of warning: the secret messages are hard to read. look hard.
17:27:30 [rbm]
My point is not about doing it. If you want to do it, fine. What I disagree with is showing it on free tv on sunday noon.
17:28:31 [denshi]
eh. tv is typically tasteless anyway. I don't see the difference.
17:29:16 [davb]
except for junkyard wars.... and fighting robots.
17:29:39 [markd2]
and star trek re-runs
17:29:58 [markd2]
actually. we unhooked our TV from outside connections and antennas a couple of years ago
17:30:01 [markd2]
haven't really missed it
17:30:42 [rbm]
I've been leaving a book in the coffee table. Every time I think about turning on the TV, I open the book instead
17:31:06 [davb]
you didn't realize there was a tv show with remote control car jousting. as in two full size cars fighting.
17:32:10 [rbm]
Good. I'd have hated it.
17:32:29 [davb]
:)
17:32:33 [rbm]
(:
17:32:42 [davb]
I watch DVDs mostly.
17:33:31 [rbm]
I don't think my hard drive will be done defragmenting anytime today
17:34:55 [davb]
doesn't it just run in the background?
17:35:52 [rbm]
no
17:37:13 [miguel]
hey guys! ive downloaded PG 7.2.1, is it possible to use it with OACS?
17:40:36 [davb]
it should work.
17:40:40 [miguel]
ok
17:40:44 [miguel]
thaks davb
17:45:33 [rbm]
I use oacs4 on pg 7.2
17:46:03 [miguel]
thanks roberto, anyway should i use the latest tarball of OACS 4.x?
17:46:41 [rbm]
miguel: I grab the cvs version
17:46:57 [davb]
should he get the beta?
17:47:04 [rbm]
probably
17:47:08 [rbm]
I grab the beta from cvs too
17:47:30 [davb]
because the development branch of cvs has stuff that won't make it into the release.
17:47:33 [miguel]
is there any previous version? when i started with OACS 3.x there was a beta of 4.0 or something like that
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17:47:51 [rbm]
dungeon siege was definitely not made to work on a 233 machine
17:48:03 [Psychephylax]
d'oh
17:48:04 [rbm]
even the installer takes minutes to come up
17:48:22 [k2pts]
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17:48:25 [rbm]
hey k2pts!
17:48:31 [k2pts]
hey
17:48:35 [k2pts]
how are we doing?
17:48:38 [markd2]
hiya!
17:48:39 [davb]
rbm: that needs at last 1Ghz doesn't it?
17:48:42 [k2pts]
missed you guys :)
17:48:43 [davb]
hi k2pts !
17:48:47 [rbm]
k2pts: I looked at your acs-service-contract this week
17:49:01 [k2pts]
markd2, davb: thx
17:49:05 [rbm]
s/this/code this/
17:49:16 [k2pts]
rbm: what do you think?
17:49:22 [rbm]
k2pts: pretty neat.
17:49:39 [rbm]
davb: No. The box says 333
17:49:45 [rbm]
I wonder if I can overclock this machine...
17:49:48 [k2pts]
major improvement: is to use xml for specifying the contracts it will lift the porting burden
17:49:49 [rbm]
Psychephylax: what do you think?
17:49:49 [davb]
rbm: ok...
17:50:14 [k2pts]
davb: any news about the soap module for nsd?
17:50:43 [Psychephylax]
about
17:50:47 [davb]
k2pts: I took a little break. tclsoap works nicely in aolserver.
17:51:08 [rbm]
Psychephylax: overclocking this P2 233? I've never overclocked anything.
17:51:23 [davb]
I just need to figure out if it is OK to just load the whole thing with the openacs libraries and have it loaded in every thread, or just load it when necessary.
17:51:50 [rbm]
probably when necessary
17:51:56 [k2pts]
davb: what about nssoap?
17:52:05 [davb]
then I would like to get the packge require stuff fixed
17:52:07 [k2pts]
is that effort still in progress?
17:52:16 [davb]
k2pts: nssoap is an old version of tclsoap that has been abandoned.
17:52:27 [k2pts]
ok
17:52:41 [denshi]
bye
17:52:42 [miguel]
well, should i use the beta? i am not very familiar with CVS
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17:52:46 [davb]
the new version of tclsoap is much nicer. although I did steal nsexpat and nstcldom from the nssoap code. and fixed some little bug in it.
17:52:56 [davb]
miguel: now is the time to learn :)
17:53:39 [davb]
if you want to get the code that is closet to the 4.5 release, checkout from the beta branch.
17:53:51 [k2pts]
davb: haven't used tclsoap so far but it looks tcl only, right?
17:53:55 [davb]
if you are just looking and not building any critical systems, get anything.
17:54:07 [rbm]
man windows sucks
17:54:21 [davb]
k2pts: yes. but it can use the nstcldom and nsexpat C modules to parse xml faster.
17:54:42 [davb]
or tcldom and expat is you aren't usign aolserver.
17:54:54 [miguel]
davb: what do you mean with anything...i am just trying to build a small web site community for a few friends, first the bboards and maybe a repository for us...
17:55:24 [rbm]
miguel: get the beta. the tarball should be fine.
17:55:32 [davb]
rbm is correct.
17:55:59 [miguel]
ok guys
17:56:22 [k2pts]
davb: where did you get nstcldom?
17:56:36 [k2pts]
s/did you/can I
17:56:43 [davb]
k2pts: its in the nssoap cvs I think. I can send it to you.
17:57:04 [k2pts]
tclxml.sourceforge.net right?
17:57:18 [davb]
that is for the regular version.
17:59:14 [k2pts]
davb: nstcldom, not found in the cvs repository :)
17:59:34 [davb]
for nssoap?
17:59:54 [k2pts]
for tclsoap
18:00:09 [davb]
right. they have a version of tcldom there, but not for aolserver.
18:00:38 [k2pts]
ok
18:00:57 [k2pts]
what do you know about ICE (esp. about adoption w.r.t RSS)
18:01:21 [davb]
I have heard of it, it was mentioned on the syndication list, but I haven't kept up with it.
18:01:39 [k2pts]
looks promising
18:01:57 [Psychephylax]
cool
18:02:01 [Psychephylax]
my camera is old and expensive
18:02:29 [davb]
k2pts: i think you need nsexpat also. i fixed some bugs in that. That officially I think lives at aolserver.com.
18:02:52 [k2pts]
http://www.icestandard.org/
18:02:52 [oacs-chump]
B: http://www.icestandard.org/ from k2pts
18:03:14 [k2pts]
nsexpat for what, tclsoap?
18:03:35 [davb]
nssoap used it. i don't know if tclsoap inside aolserver would need it.
18:04:37 [davb]
i need to keep better notes :)
18:05:56 [davb]
oops, i emailed you nstcldom, but I think it needs the changes I made.
18:06:18 [davb]
I also patched it to work with AOLserver 4, so I have to figure out which changes I made :)
18:08:21 [k2pts]
don't worry about it... i'm busy with other stuff these days...I'm just starting to catch up with a lot of things
18:08:37 [davb]
no problem, i just want to figure it out for myself.
18:09:06 [k2pts]
davb: since it seems that you have tried aolserver 4. what's the status?
18:09:23 [k2pts]
any info about i18n support
18:09:27 [davb]
it works fine. but did not solve any of the problems I was having.
18:09:28 [k2pts]
?
18:09:35 [davb]
That should be better.
18:09:54 [davb]
someone was changing all the commands to tclObjCommand
18:10:01 [davb]
but I don't think he finished.
18:10:49 [k2pts]
any idea of when it's gonna be released
18:11:10 [davb]
No idea.
18:11:30 [davb]
it looks like alot of the code has been cleaned up.
18:11:54 [Psychephylax]
that was kind of neat
18:12:05 [Psychephylax]
I took a picture of a helicopter in the sky and it stopped the blades
18:12:14 [davb]
that is cool.
18:12:19 [markd2]
poor helicopter
18:12:23 [markd2]
I bet it hit the ground pretty hard
18:12:49 [k2pts]
talking about code cleanup, i'm using Zoran's patch for aolserver (so that xotcl works with aolserver) and the templating system code breaks... probably it's due to incorrect use of namespaces in the templating code (in particular templating::form)
18:13:04 [davb]
ah, we need to fix that.
18:13:15 [k2pts]
is it a known issue?
18:13:21 [davb]
rbm, denshi, and i are thinking about fixing that and othere stuff in aolserver.
18:13:23 [davb]
no.
18:13:58 [rbm]
k2pts: where's this patch of his? He said he hadn't had time to do it.
18:14:09 [davb]
i tried out xotcl with my openacs install and it seemed to work, but I haven't tested it too much.
18:14:14 [davb]
so I must have missed that.
18:14:21 [davb]
rbm: I think I have it here.
18:14:29 [rbm]
which patch is that?
18:14:57 [davb]
it is a patch so that xotcl can be used with aolserver. it is the patch he mentioned in the post to the list.
18:15:49 [davb]
http://media.wu-wien.ac.at/download/xotcl-aolpatch.tar.gz
18:15:49 [oacs-chump]
C: http://media.wu-wien.ac.at/download/xotcl-aolpatch.tar.gz from davb
18:15:51 [k2pts]
there's a patch that comes with xotcl so that namespaces would work as they should be
18:15:58 [k2pts]
yes, that's it
18:16:07 [davb]
C: http://media.wu-wien.ac.at/doc/xotcl-aolpatch.README README for said patch
18:16:08 [oacs-chump]
added comment C1
18:16:43 [miguel]
rbm and davb: sorry for my newbie questions but should I migrate to AOLserver 4.x ?
18:16:49 [davb]
not yet.
18:17:23 [davb]
3.3+ad13 is the best because it includes all the modules you need for aolserver 4. although they all compile with 3.4.2.
18:17:47 [k2pts]
all except i18n support
18:17:48 [Psychephylax]
no good shots
18:17:51 [Psychephylax]
d'oh
18:17:54 [davb]
oh right.
18:18:04 [davb]
i keep forgetting about that.
18:18:23 [miguel]
when i installed aolserver for OACS 3.x i used the original tarball 3.4.2, now what i should download?
18:18:56 [k2pts]
miguel: if you need i18n support, download 3.3.1+ad13
18:19:02 [k2pts]
otherwise 3.4.2 would do
18:19:48 [miguel]
k2pts: i18n? what is that? sorry for the stupid question
18:20:02 [rbm]
miguel: internationalization
18:20:04 [davb]
k2pts: do you know anything about openfts and dumping and restoring a postgresql 7.1.3 database? my @ seems to have not been recreated.
18:20:17 [rbm]
i+18 letters+n == internationalization
18:21:00 [miguel]
rbm: hehehe sorry im spanish i didnt get that.ok, yes i18n would be nice for me
18:21:29 [k2pts]
davb: thinking...
18:21:50 [markd2]
l10n == localization too
18:22:04 [markd2]
* markd2 is actually m2d(2) d7e
18:22:15 [Psychephylax]
d7e?
18:22:15 [markd2]
er, m2k(2)
18:22:19 [miguel]
wow guys, English speakers really try do make things short, we dont have that in Spanish
18:22:24 [Psychephylax]
I thought they didn't make that unit until the late 90's
18:22:27 [markd2]
d-alrympl-e
18:23:16 [Psychephylax]
dave
18:23:21 [davb]
yes?
18:23:21 [Psychephylax]
paje seen davb
18:23:21 [paje]
davb was last seen on #openacs 0 seconds ago, saying: yes? [Fri May 24 12:24:19 2002]
18:23:26 [Psychephylax]
hehe
18:23:31 [Psychephylax]
paje is super quick
18:23:39 [Psychephylax]
You work for the government
18:23:59 [Psychephylax]
Aren't public servants serving the public supposed to be polite to them as well?
18:24:41 [davb]
that is not a requirement.
18:24:58 [Psychephylax]
Should I call up his superiors?
18:25:01 [Psychephylax]
he was rather rude to me
18:25:21 [k2pts]
davb: about the openfts, did you just dumped and restored or did you recompile postgresql?
18:25:30 [k2pts]
s/openfts/openfts question
18:25:30 [davb]
both.
18:25:42 [k2pts]
you probably forgot to recompile intarray
18:25:47 [davb]
i am checking to see if the stuff is where it is supposed to me.
18:26:23 [davb]
that looks like the case.
18:26:35 [k2pts]
should be, can't think of anything else
18:27:07 [davb]
what file should I look for?
18:27:33 [davb]
I have _int.sql
18:28:00 [k2pts]
I don't think you have compiled intarray
18:28:20 [davb]
i suspect you are right. I forgot how to do it the debian way. I will track this down. thanks
18:28:20 [k2pts]
_int.sql is used to generate another .sql file (don't remember the exact name)
18:28:28 [davb]
ok, i seem to remember that.
18:28:38 [k2pts]
anyone can share his view about compiere (http://www.compiere.org/) "200,000 downloads making Compiere the most popular Open Source business application."
18:29:22 [k2pts]
i'm not very excited by looking at the compiere datamodel
18:30:30 [davb]
i have never heard of it.
18:30:58 [rbm]
me either. what is it?
18:31:06 [k2pts]
it's an erp+crm system and they are porting it to pgsql
18:35:00 [rbm]
There's also WyattERP
18:36:13 [rbm]
Dungeon Siege seems to finally be installing
18:38:35 [markd2]
Dungeon Sledge
18:38:48 [markd2]
it's based on the Siege Engine
18:41:00 [k2pts]
have to head out guys. l8r
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18:51:33 [davb]
wow, i forgot to do everything on this machine...
18:52:06 [davb]
oops
18:52:12 [davb]
its trying to install postgresql 7.2
18:57:12 [rbm]
good!
18:58:04 [davb]
but openfts needs intarray which is not in postgresql 7.2
18:58:23 [davb]
well, the version of openfts I am using needs intarray.
18:58:37 [rbm]
not even in contrbi?
18:58:41 [rbm]
err, contrib
18:58:46 [davb]
no.
18:58:53 [davb]
at least I don't think so.
18:59:52 [davb]
is there any way to get apt to install postgresql-dev for 7.1 or do I need to just DL it myself?
19:01:44 [davb]
darn, only 6.5 and 7.2 are avaialble from debian.org