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02:13:26 <davb_> talli: i'm back now :)
02:15:54 <talli> hey davb_
02:26:48 <talli> davb_: still there?
02:26:49 <paje> there is a package for emacs somewhere and its built into mozilla now.
02:31:54 <davb_> paje: botsnack
02:31:55 <paje> thanks davb_ :)
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04:15:44 <davb_> rbm around?
04:15:59 <davb_> probably not, he seems to have found  a real life lately :)
04:23:36 <davb_> oh well, I will ask him later...
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15:45:28 <the_docwolf> morning
15:45:34 <the_docwolf> paje, you're back!!
15:45:35 <paje> the_docwolf: huh?
15:46:31 <the_docwolf> i have a postgres question, if anyone besides paje is alive
15:46:42 <denshi> I am the waking dead, if that'll suffice
15:46:47 <the_docwolf> :-)
15:46:55 <the_docwolf> when one installs PG on redhat
15:47:01 <the_docwolf> it gives the postgres user a password
15:47:06 <the_docwolf> (by default)
15:47:09 <the_docwolf> what is that password?
15:47:25 <the_docwolf> dumb question, i know
15:47:47 <denshi> lemme find out
15:48:14 <the_docwolf> it's ultra-annoying... why they just can't use scott/tiger, i'll never know ;-)
15:49:07 <denshi> the user for the database, or for the system (/etc/passwd)?
15:49:20 <the_docwolf> for the database, i guess
15:49:23 <denshi> as for s/t, I guess they didn't hire scott
15:49:39 <the_docwolf> (in the pg_user table)
15:50:06 <the_docwolf> i can see that its got a password of some kind, i just can't change it as the non-pg user.
15:50:41 <the_docwolf> oh wait
15:50:45 <the_docwolf> scratch that
15:50:53 <the_docwolf> you can enter a "space" and it accepts it as the PW
15:51:02 <the_docwolf> that is retarded.
15:51:04 <denshi> do you have a pg_ident.conf file?
15:51:19 <the_docwolf> let me check
15:51:30 <the_docwolf> (i'm actually performing a grand experiment, installing RH under VMware)
15:52:15 <the_docwolf> vmware actually works better than i thought it would.
15:52:23 <the_docwolf> i may have to actually buy a license.
15:53:35 <denshi> I've never seen this problem before
15:53:59 <the_docwolf> i fixed the PW thing i think
15:54:01 <denshi> try su'ing to postgres, and I think the password from there is null
15:54:12 <the_docwolf> yeah, it's supposed to be null
15:54:16 <the_docwolf> but for me, it was a 'space'
15:54:17 <the_docwolf> go figure
15:54:41 <the_docwolf> anyway, crisis averted, i guess.
15:54:47 <the_docwolf> thanks for looking
15:58:00 <the_docwolf> VMware is very impressive if you have a machine that really doesn't work well with linux.
15:59:38 <denshi> i bet you need the space because someone's parser won't read a null as input
16:00:04 <the_docwolf> yeah.. it's probably something stupid like that.
16:00:05 <the_docwolf> ugh.
16:00:29 <the_docwolf> it's just one of those little time-wasters that are more annoying than fatal.
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19:01:45 <rbm> the_docwolf: By default, AFAIK, you just have to "become" postgres to get in, then you create another super user
19:02:10 <the_docwolf> hi rbm!
19:02:12 <the_docwolf> good to see you again
19:02:50 <the_docwolf> how was the GRE?
19:03:05 <rbm> intense
19:03:53 <the_docwolf> i'll bet!
19:03:58 <the_docwolf> i'm sure you're happy its over
19:05:35 <rbm> I am. 
19:06:02 <rbm> The questions are not hard, but you have very very little time to answer them.
19:06:55 <rbm> I thought I had done badly on the verbal section (English, reading comprehension) but after looking at the averages, I found out that I got way above the native americans' average :-)
19:08:13 <the_docwolf> nice!!
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19:50:38 <the_docwolf> hey roberto
19:50:47 <the_docwolf> how do i change the password on a superuser that i just created?
19:52:02 <rbm> ALTER USER foo WITH PASSWORD 'blah'
19:52:04 <rbm> I think
19:52:09 <rbm> \h alter user on psql
19:53:57 <the_docwolf> i see
19:54:07 <the_docwolf> and are you sure that the postgres user doesn't have a password by default?
19:54:43 <the_docwolf> if I try to su postgres
19:54:47 <the_docwolf> it will not work
19:55:26 <rbm> if you're root then su to postgres it shouldn't ask you for a password. If you're a regular user...
19:55:49 <rbm> I don't know what the Red Hat packages do. 
20:04:11 <the_docwolf> what is the name of the DB that holds all the user info?
20:04:16 <the_docwolf> it doesn't seem to be here.
20:13:21 <rbm> template1
20:14:35 <the_docwolf> thanks
20:14:40 <the_docwolf> what directory is it usually stored in?
20:14:43 <the_docwolf> mandrake is the worst
20:18:45 <rbm>  /var/lib/postgresql/data/
20:19:24 <the_docwolf> and there should be a file called template1
20:19:25 <the_docwolf> ?
20:20:55 <the_docwolf> this is very strange.
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20:47:42 <rbm> the_docwolf: No, there shouldn't.
20:48:08 <rbm> As of PG 7.1, with the introduction of WAL, the files are the OID of the databases they represent
20:49:11 <the_docwolf> it's very odd
20:49:14 <the_docwolf> mandrake is acting strange
20:50:15 <rbm> that's the norm.
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21:05:03 <silentlucidity> hi tal
21:05:05 <silentlucidity> hi talli
21:05:30 <silentlucidity> anyone tried any of the pg replication strategies??
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