00:19:54 slow bboard today 00:22:59 watch tv 00:25:05 heh 00:25:10 i don't watch tv. 00:25:17 movies 00:25:17 heh 00:25:22 freak 00:29:49 I don't watch TV or movies 00:30:17 how do you watch the matrix? 00:30:55 I live in the matrix 00:30:59 "whoa" 00:31:08 ah 00:38:49 further proof of the mechanical anus... 00:40:06 heh 00:40:10 it'll be starring in Terminator 3 00:40:12 uh, so I hear 00:44:36 it already stars in my dreams 00:47:25 what do people use to read news groups on linux? 00:47:54 telnet to port 119 of the nntp host 00:48:05 at least Real non-pansey Men do 00:49:46 well, i honestly would... 00:49:53 but this quiche is just *sooooo* good 00:51:05 quiche me, Kate 01:02:17 I use tin 01:02:25 i have committed the ultimate self-immolation 01:02:26 back in the day I used 'rn' 01:02:26 others use mutt 01:02:31 i've subscribed to alt.postmodern 01:03:17 only kibo can save me now 01:06:30 heh 01:06:45 roll call! 01:06:46 I'm here! 01:06:52 sound off! 01:06:56 whack off? 01:06:57 whoa 01:07:02 Mark is a perv :-D 01:07:25 wha? 01:07:31 that's just random pseudo-army talk 01:07:42 not bad for a 2 megapixel camera at full zoom :-D 01:08:00 is kibo missing? 01:08:02 not bad at all 01:08:23 kibo died for our sins 01:09:02 yours, mine or the lamp post? 01:09:14 http://drew.corrupt.net/domo.html 01:09:15 A: http://drew.corrupt.net/domo.html from Psychephylax 01:09:20 actually, the peepsqueak's 01:09:21 A:| A domo-kun site 01:09:21 titled item A 01:09:32 A: Mark's fetished Domo 01:09:32 added comment A1 01:09:46 uh.... 01:10:04 seriously, has he taken a break from posting? 01:10:17 lol 01:10:21 Mark that site is funny 01:10:26 Think of the Domo-kun! 01:10:53 have you seen the Domopers? 01:12:14 yes 01:12:17 vinod (~vinod@MD2S59.MIT.EDU) has joined #openacs 01:12:23 Developers developers developers developers! 01:12:24 * paje dances around like a freak 01:12:31 ROFL 01:12:37 Paje is a riot 01:13:13 is Psychephylax torturing paje again? 01:13:18 yes 01:13:20 paje, sit down 01:13:20 Psychephylax: i'm not following you... 01:13:23 poor Paje 01:13:23 bah 01:13:23 * paje weeps 01:13:27 paje, attack! 01:13:28 * paje bites Mark's ankle 01:13:33 paje, where's kibo? 01:13:33 kibo is truly a god 01:13:40 paje, where's waldo? 01:13:40 markd2: no idea 01:13:49 ha! even Paje can't find him! 01:14:42 ROFL 01:14:58 Hey I found the painting for talli 01:15:14 the one above "Drew Paintings Not for sale" 01:16:02 has anyone seen this crap? 01:16:05 http://www.macedition.com/bolts/bolts_20020514.php 01:16:06 B: http://www.macedition.com/bolts/bolts_20020514.php from vinod 01:16:11 :-) 01:16:13 yeah. it SUCKS 01:16:40 B:| MarkD does screensavers 01:16:40 titled item B 01:16:56 B: i told you he knows all the black arts 01:16:56 added comment B1 01:17:26 now you know why I needed all those goats 01:17:37 lol 01:17:40 http://drew.corrupt.net/phronk.jpg 01:17:41 C: http://drew.corrupt.net/phronk.jpg from markd2 01:17:45 C:|TOOOOBA!!!! 01:17:45 titled item C 01:18:24 that site is funz0rs 01:23:50 lol 01:23:58 I just read the chair background 01:25:36 sweet, i just convinced my company to use oacs for a project 01:25:42 woot! 01:26:41 lethedrinker: cool! 01:27:11 i'm a happy camper.. the site is a comparitive ecommerce shopping system 01:27:38 * vinod forsees oacs getting much better now that lethedrinker will need to use it :-) 01:30:18 maybe that hazmat guy should use it too 01:30:21 get more of the braintrust in there 01:30:23 :-) 01:30:33 which one is evil again? 01:30:37 talli 01:30:42 ahhh - right 01:31:47 can't we all just get some pants? 01:32:00 * markd2 pants 01:32:59 * vinod rants 01:33:09 talli has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:35:33 talli (~talli@pool-162-83-235-2.ny5030.east.verizon.net) has joined #openacs 01:36:17 markd2: i enjoyed the article. objective c seems pretty clean 01:37:04 you proved yourself to be a unix geek with this line though: I'm not smart enough to make an alias work, so I just fire up a Terminal and make a Unix symbolic link (symlink) 01:37:10 :-) 01:37:13 heh 01:37:22 thanks 01:37:58 so all you have to do to write a screensaver is subclass ScreenSaver and override animateOneFrame 01:38:04 yeah 01:38:16 scary thing is I tried making the alias work for a pretty long time 01:38:17 that's cool 01:38:32 they will follow a file around if you move it, but break if you remove the file 01:38:36 which is what the build process does 01:38:43 weird 01:39:04 doesn't the alias just make a symlink anyway? 01:39:10 nope 01:39:21 it's an artifact from the OS9 days 01:39:29 there's information in there that uniquely identifies the file 01:39:38 that's silly 01:39:38 maybe an inode equivalent 01:39:44 so you can rename and move it around anywhere on the file system 01:39:48 both of which will break symlinks 01:40:24 but i guess they need to keep aliases working like they did in os9 01:40:29 yeah 01:40:39 it's probably more like a hard link 01:53:32 mmmm.... beer 01:53:49 ...and tofu 01:54:07 tofurkey 01:54:12 anyone else write any code they didn't trash today? 01:55:07 i didn't trash any code today! 01:55:15 oh... wait... 01:55:20 didn't write any code neither 01:56:58 paje, feed mark 01:56:58 * paje tosses markd2 a cookie 02:00:22 heh 02:00:28 I didn't write any code today either 02:04:57 i dug through maybe 8 scheme implementations before finding one that's thread safe 02:08:40 why? 02:08:54 I presume for embedding in aolclerver 02:09:12 ahh - that's what i thought 02:09:15 next question 02:09:17 why? 02:09:22 heh 02:13:37 imagine a language environment, embedded in a webserver, that calls a tcl_eval C function to interact with the oacs system. 02:13:56 oacs in any language! fun fun. 02:14:11 Hungal! 02:14:13 haha 02:14:48 paje, Hungal? 02:14:49 denshi: i haven't a clue 02:14:58 Korean 02:15:08 at least that's the name of the alphabet (I think) 02:15:57 * talli is talli in any language too! 02:15:59 an interesting spelling, at least. 02:16:17 especially Urdu, the language of love. 02:16:32 oongawa, nihongo k'blah 02:16:37 okay, I'm going to go practice my Urdu. have fun. 02:16:54 wait! it's actually the language of loofahs! be careful! 02:17:13 oh, damn 02:17:22 i'm not sure that speaking urdu in austin is going to get you any love 02:17:32 that's right. the language of love is paje-eseish 02:17:55 i always that the language of love was red wine 02:17:57 paje, sorry... what haven't a clue? 02:17:57 no idea, talli 02:18:02 s/that/thought 02:18:13 or tequila 02:18:17 ah, couldn't tellya. 02:25:36 nite 02:25:44 markd2 has quit ("wheeeee") 02:27:55 well, that sucked 02:28:15 I used my fly Urdu skillz, and she hit me with her loofah. 02:29:58 haha 02:30:26 i have to check, but hitting you with her loofah may be part of the mating process 02:34:26 jcassady (~jcassady@adsl-64-171-52-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) has joined #openacs 02:34:26 hi john 02:34:34 hi john 02:34:37 ! 02:35:58 alert! alert! alert! 02:36:02 hi jim 02:36:05 new geek in da house! 02:36:26 hi jcassady 02:36:31 we have a house? 02:36:43 let alone 'da' house? 02:37:00 that's my buddy John... 02:37:31 among other things, he was an original forth implementor 02:37:54 and if you wanna know how I got involved in *ACS... 02:38:00 blame john :) 02:38:01 * talli prepares to ask another dumb question 02:38:05 he told me :) 02:38:09 what is an original fourth implementor? 02:38:24 forth is a stack-based programming language 02:39:32 jim, you get all the cool friends 02:39:43 * Psychephylax yawns 02:40:40 gotta go, will check in later 02:41:10 he's got a copy of the aduni lectures, and is studying SICP... he also tutors for it at nearby school 02:41:23 shuweeet 02:41:37 Soyo even has the Linux drivers for their onboard sound 02:41:39 Whoa 02:41:55 Hey John, you still here? 02:42:09 guess not... ok 02:42:28 who's soyo? mobo mfgr? 02:44:05 talli: do you have a debian box laying around? 02:44:36 (reason debian, gforth and other forths have easy install path) 02:46:23 larspind has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:46:30 * lethedrinker notes that someone wrote a zope product that embeds a forth interpreter 02:46:31 ick 02:46:34 but freebsd has pretty easy way too 02:48:58 * davb remembers forth on the atari 800 02:49:07 I wrote one of those :) 02:49:14 well, not wrote 02:49:41 but implemented and greatly enhanced the low-level stuff 02:49:49 wow 02:50:16 denshi: I wrote some visual basic that actually works today :) 02:50:21 but now I am going to bed. 02:50:52 wow, takes lots of energy to write working vb code 02:50:57 No it doesn't 02:51:08 when do friggin' domains expire and become available? 02:51:09 You just drag things over and add some statements 02:51:10 lol 02:51:31 note he said -working- :) 02:51:49 talli: from netsol? 02:52:00 never, or halfway through your registration, its random 02:52:05 haha 02:52:18 momentum.org expired on april, 2 02:52:34 for some reason, it takes 30-90 days to become available 02:52:40 1-3 mos is a long friggin time 02:52:43 can't you preorder or something? 02:52:44 what's the hold up? 02:52:49 it should take like 10 seconds. 02:52:52 was momentum.org yours originally? 02:52:52 i have! 02:53:09 no, it wasn't 02:53:12 or did someone else not pay their bill? 02:53:37 it's just expired. i guess they are no longer interested in the domain 02:54:01 .org... so it doesn't have the same rules as a .com 02:54:13 oh, really? didn't know that 02:55:04 might not be easy to get a .org; you might have to show non-profit org status 02:55:17 not totally sure about that 02:55:19 when did that change? 02:55:39 I thought it was always harder to get a .org 02:55:43 problem is if netsol had it, they won't release it into the wild. 02:55:48 not for me :) 02:56:21 so they're in effect camping on the domain 02:56:27 shit 02:56:37 they were the registrars 02:56:46 that's typical 02:57:51 they'd reg it for someone and either they run the servers for it or transfer them over 02:58:39 don't let that faze you, just talk to them 02:59:24 davb: .lrn still need oracle? 03:00:01 talk to who? 03:00:11 network solutions 03:00:15 oh yeah? 03:00:31 if they have the domain, I guess they're the ones to talk to 03:00:32 jim: I think so, I haven't looked. new-portal has been ported at least. 03:00:48 is .lrn GPL? 03:00:51 no, someone else has the domain. networksolutions was the registrar 03:01:30 howbout momentum.net/ 03:01:33 ? 03:01:35 i think so, but didn't check. 03:01:47 but the domain registration expired on 4/2/02 03:01:55 momentum.net and .com are taken 03:02:46 "dotLRN is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the 03:02:54 cool :) 03:03:01 what' 03:03:14 what's .lrn for, generally/one-liner? 03:03:23 on getting a .org, you can buy 'em like any other. 03:03:32 yeah, i know 03:03:40 but they don't become available immediately 03:03:46 dotlrn is a course management system. 03:03:54 hmm 03:03:55 demonstrating non-profit is only relevant in defense, or something. 03:04:13 i'm not worried about hat 03:04:32 oddjob's hat is pretty sharp tho :) 03:05:03 well I am really going now :) 03:05:11 davb: nite 03:05:24 bye 03:05:26 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 03:06:44 the friggin domain won't be deleted from the registry for 30-90 days, though 03:08:02 http://snapnames.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/snapnames.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_sid=kTCxh8fg&p_lva=&p_refno=010927-000506&p_created=1001627474&p_sp=cF9ncmlkc29ydD0mcF9yb3dfY250PTQ0JnBfcGFnZT0x&p_li= 03:08:04 D: http://snapnames.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/snapnames.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_sid=kTCxh8fg&p_lva=&p_refno=010927-000506&p_created=1001627474&p_sp=cF9ncmlkc29ydD0mcF9yb3dfY250PTQ0JnBfcGFnZT0x&p_li= from talli 03:08:18 djg: Answer to the question: Will I get a domain name when it expires? 03:08:37 djg: When a domain name expires, it enters a "grace" period, during which the current registrant can still renew. The "grace" period, over which SnapNames has no control, can last from 30 to 90 days or more depending on circumstances. Once that period is over, the Registrar will issue a delete command to the Registry, and approximately 5 days later the domain name will become available. For more detail please see the deletion cycle 03:08:37 SnapNames Product page. 03:43:27 * Psychephylax goes to bed 03:46:51 djg has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 03:46:51 til has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 03:46:51 jcassady has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 03:46:51 rbm has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 03:46:51 talli has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 03:46:51 vinod has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 03:46:51 paje has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 03:46:51 jim has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 03:47:00 jcassady (~jcassady@adsl-64-171-52-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) has joined #openacs 03:47:00 vinod (~vinod@MD2S59.MIT.EDU) has joined #openacs 03:47:00 djg (djg@fiesta.cs.tu-berlin.de) has joined #openacs 03:47:00 jim (~jim@12-233-225-152.client.attbi.com) has joined #openacs 03:47:00 rbm (rmello@fslc.usu.edu) has joined #openacs 03:47:00 paje (~paje@slxwy.dorms.usu.edu) has joined #openacs 03:47:00 til (~tils@62.116.19.11) has joined #openacs 03:48:13 [#openacs] This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog 03:50:49 talli (~talli@pool-162-83-235-2.ny5030.east.verizon.net) has joined #openacs 03:51:29 [ServerNotice] Hi all. The server you are on, carter.openprojects.net, is experiencing reliability issues, and is being retired from the main rotation. You may want to disconnect and reconnect to irc.openprojects.net. Thanks. 04:02:26 talli is now known as barstool 04:10:24 vinod has quit ("changing universes") 06:05:52 talli_ (~talli@pool-162-83-235-2.ny5030.east.verizon.net) has joined #openacs 06:16:55 hmm... why is openacs.org so slow? 06:17:08 * hazmat wonders if its a hardware problem 06:19:19 paje: .ping openacs.org 06:19:19 hazmat: excuse me? 06:19:48 looks like it just went down. 06:19:53 help... 06:21:17 barstool has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06:22:56 oacs-chump has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 07:18:15 hmm.. its back 10:24:17 pete_openmsg (~pharper@213.107.207.130) has joined #openacs 11:15:56 talli_ has quit ("Client Exiting") 12:12:08 vinod (~vinod@207-172-97-229.s483.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com) has joined #openacs 12:47:43 davb (~chatzilla@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-203.biz.rr.com) has joined #openacs 12:47:51 hi 12:48:30 hey davb 12:48:36 hi vinod 12:48:42 how's it going? 12:49:01 pretty good. just stressed about moving, etc :-) 12:49:38 yes, that is pretty exciting. 12:49:41 when is teleportation technology going to get to market? 12:51:46 that would be cool. just sell all your stuff and get new stuff. 12:52:52 heh. 12:53:01 * vinod adds teleportation to davb's list 12:53:12 aigh! 12:53:31 :-) 12:56:40 ok, i put it right after "visit the moon" 12:57:01 actually, that should be before, makes that one easier. 12:58:58 * Psychephylax yawns 13:01:03 Psychephylax: wake up! i already wrote three queries this morning 13:01:21 ok hold on 13:01:23 let me catch up to you 13:01:37 select * from cookie_jar 13:01:52 insert values (cookie) into mark 13:02:06 drop table cookie_jar 13:02:36 Dave 13:02:44 You're gonna get mad ;-D 13:02:47 heh 13:02:51 but I plan on buying a second 2100UZ 13:02:51 I am? 13:02:56 wow 13:03:03 not right away 13:03:11 not really, it is not as if I actually have any time to use a camera 13:03:15 but definetly before the 23 at the local ChumpUSA go bye bye 13:03:17 good idea though. a backup. 13:03:32 I've spoken to some very knowledgable people 13:03:46 It looks like the 2100UZ will be one tough cookie to beat even with high pixel count cameras 13:03:59 well, noone else can zoom like that. 13:04:05 Precisely 13:04:12 except a pro camera with interchangable lenses. 13:04:15 I even found out the real reason they discontinued them 13:04:23 oh? 13:04:23 oh are you afraid the /. guys are going to sue us for stealing their hard work? 13:04:35 paje, botsnack 13:04:35 :) 13:06:53 Shuuuuweeeeet 13:07:05 They have 23 cameras available 13:07:32 And he said they sell 3-5 a week which is probably more like 1-2 a week with all the 3-5 mpx cameras out 13:07:44 * Psychephylax saves his pennies 13:07:58 paje, sleep 13:07:58 * paje goes to sleep 13:08:36 so Psychephylax what is the secret reason? 13:16:35 For? 13:17:57 discontinuing the camera 13:19:18 Canon was losing sales because Olympus camera was better 13:21:42 so? 13:21:42 well, so is going to the play a bit like try before you buy ? 13:21:53 heh 13:22:15 are they not competitors? 13:22:37 so if you're selling a vital part to your rival competitor and you can prevent it by terminating their contract to the competitor aren't you going to be benefiting? 13:23:16 ah, olympus bought parts from canon? 13:24:10 yep 13:24:27 The Image Stabilization one 13:24:55 Canon attempted to make a simiar camera with their lens with 3 megapixels but they didn't do as well of a job as Olympus 13:26:14 And you're complaining the 2100 is big 13:26:15 lol 13:27:18 ah. well olympus really knows how to make digital cameras. canon is better in film cameras. 13:27:23 yep 13:28:20 I already have the attachments 13:28:24 Hmmm 13:28:39 What camera did you say you have? 13:34:38 Yoohooo 13:34:39 dave 13:34:41 wake up dave 13:34:43 paje! 13:34:48 Paje, revive davb 13:34:48